Why I Don't Think I'll Ever be able to vote Labour Again.
 

I was thinking, right the Labour Party is in a bit of a mess at present but they can rebuild and restructure and reconnect with the people it is supposed to represent. Problem is I keep coming across stuff I missed and realise it is rotten to the core and infected with people who possess a hatred of the indigenous populace.



“Labour’s Jess Phillips Sides With Lily Allen in Defending Muslim Rape Gangs”, by Jack Montgomery, January 8, 2017:
Labour MP Jess Phillips has come to the defence of singer Lily Allen, after she claimed grooming gang victims would have been “raped or abused by somebody else at some point” if Muslim groomers were not present in the United Kingdom.
Asked if the victims, who were overwhelmingly white working class, would have been groomed if their abusers were not present in the country, Allen claimed that, “Actually, there’s a strong possibility they would have been raped and abused by somebody else at some point. That’s kind of the issue.”
The celebrity then tried to divert attention from the subject of grooming gangs by saying people should be concerned with another type of abuser — “men that have sex with their stepdaughters twice a week for years at a time … neighbours, uncles, gardeners, priests, fast food restaurant managers that do it over and over again” — who she characterised as 100 per cent “British white males”.
Labour MP Jess Phillips has come to the defence of singer Lily Allen, after she claimed grooming gang victims would have been “raped or abused by somebody else at some point” if Muslim groomers were not present in the United Kingdom.
Asked if the victims, who were overwhelmingly white working class, would have been groomed if their abusers were not present in the country, Allen claimed that, “Actually, there’s a strong possibility they would have been raped and abused by somebody else at some point. That’s kind of the issue.”
The celebrity then tried to divert attention from the subject of grooming gangs by saying people should be concerned with another type of abuser — “men that have sex with their stepdaughters twice a week for years at a time … neighbours, uncles, gardeners, priests, fast food restaurant managers that do it over and over again” — who she characterised as 100 per cent “British white males”.

I am really sorry I missed that incredulous little piece as I wouldn't even have dithered in supporting any opposition to such a warped and sick way of thinking. The Labour Party has become utterly shameful putting misguided racist issues above deliberate rapist protectionism. How the hell can Lily Allen and Jess Philips believe a 12 year old girl can make a lifestyle choice to have sex with hundreds of Pakistani men.

The REAL racism here is this -
85% of the child rape gangs are Pakistanis
96% are muslim
0% of victims are muslim
100% of victims are non-muslim

GRRR makes my blood boil - but I wouldn't be surprised if this post is removed for 'inciting hatred'. So in order to keep the 'peace' we are supposed to suppress the TRUTH ? The rights of rapists ethnicity is put before the rights of abused children.

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Lily Allen is like a Snickers bar.....absolutely nuts.
She also seeks out publicity as she is a fading entity....and somebody once said that there is 'no such thing as bad publicity'.....I actually don't think this is true anymore.

There are so many of these so called celebs who pontificate on things that will never affect them because they do not live in the same world that you and I live in
Their riches buffer them against all kinds of unsavoury things.
They like to spout this hogwash so that they can be deemed enlightened on the diversity angle of life....they are just virtue signalling....spouting stuff that they THINK will gain them some brownie points.

As for the Labour Party....the situation is dire for its recovery....and if someone like Rebecca Long-Bailey is appointed or some other extreme Left leaning person, then it will die a death, because it is not what the core supporters recognise as the party for them....and we will have a useless opposition.
That is not good for politics or for government.
Truth is truth....racism is just a word used by people who want to shut down meaningful discussion on subjects that they find difficult....it is used as a weapon against people who tell the truth as they see it.

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first of all who the hell is lily allen. secondly how can we really complain about rape gangs when immigration has enriched our lives so much over the years. if you want it enriched even more to the same extent then its common sense to vote labour.

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Some foolish little Bint virtue signaller who has sung a few songs, she thinks her opinion is important & continually spouts she-ite, mostly extolling the loony lefterists & gimmegrants. She certainly doesn't follow up on her (empty) promises, oh & her Dad was also a deadbeat, one Keith Allen some Welsh geezer, supposed comedian.


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What you missed son was....she had a very privileged upbringing....(even though she left school at 15)wanted for nothing and so she knows absolutely nothing about the lives most of us live.
She lives in Islington...so maybe the air there has something toxic in it
I call her Silly Lily...because she is.

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It isn't so much Lily Allen's comments as much as the backing and endorsements of those comments by Jess Philip's who is touted as one the more "sensible" possibilities for new labour leader. Good God, if Philips is the more "sensible" one what the hell are the others like?
What the hell have these B******* done to a party that was supposed to represent the working folk ?

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See my above comment, silly Binter, less the song singing (unless you count "Red Flag") & welsh geezer as a Dad, pretty much of a muchness really.

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They hi-jacked it.
As for sense...you can't put sense where there is none....and the sense was removed and replaced with Politically correct virtue signalling sheep....who don't seem to be able to think for themselves or apply critical analysis to what is being promoted by the party.

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Just that it leaves a lot of ordinary folk feeling a bit disenfranchised - I mean I wouldn't honestly ever have voted tory had I seen there being no other option...


Anyhow - I'm off down the pub to bring in the new year....

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL .. and here's to a free (from the EU that is) future

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Enjoy your evening at the pub Jimmy......and Happy New Year to you too and to those who love you.
I hope 2020 is kind and happy.

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sounds like a typical labour candidate then for somewhere like whitley bay.

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Incredible...…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...n-eu-w7f86xbh0

…. are they hellbent on turning this country into a one party state ?

What really saddens me is it signals the end of any credible opposition to the ruling party which is never a good sign for democracy.

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Jess Phillips represents Birmingham Yardley....one of the largest leave voting areas, yet she is saying that if she were to become Leader of the Labour party(a big if)......and if Labour were put into power at the next GE(an even bigger if) she would campaign to rejoin the EU.

Who does she think she is?

I thought that MP's might have realised that if they do NOT represent their constituents, then there is a good chance that they will lose votes....as it was made clear that the voters of the UK want to leave the EU.

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Maybe she just wants the comfortable lifestyle of a 'career politician' without having the difficult responsibility of ever actually having to govern the country. I can't see why else you would want to further alienate the mass amount of the electorate you have already lost. It's a lot easier being a critical mouthpiece when you aren't the one making any awkward and necessary decisions.

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i think she is just typical of the new idiots that have infiltrated what was once a good party, she has no thought at all for her voters only the momentum scumbags,

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Well Jimmy, it is certainly a lucrative business...politics....more so when you KNOW your pledges will NEVER be tested because you have made yourself an unelectable party.

These Labour politicians have learned nothing....Jo Swinson lost her seat because she promised to revoke article 50.
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result(Albert Einstein).

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Lucrative is Likely the reason these scum keep wanting to remain in the E.U. its nothing at all to do with what the public wanted.

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It is not just the EU that is lucrative....being an MP is lucrative and they never leave Westminster as poor men/women.
Also the MP's employ family members to ensure they get a splash of the gravy too.

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Nigh on £80'000 a year and that is before they stick their snouts in the trough of expenses

MPs' Pay and Pensions

...checked out Diane Abbot - £164'000 in staffing costs and a further £27'000 on office costs for last year alone that being on top of her £80'000 salary - lucrative indeed especially considering how poorly they are doing their jobs.

I'm sure most of them are doing rather well out of it

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It is our money.....and they are supposed to work FOR us....not for themselves.

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It seems that Jess Phillips has changed her mind about campaigning to rejoin the EU should she become Leader of the Labour Party AND come to power.

This tells me one thing about her....she will say anything to get the leadership....and she will say anything to get power.

Please Jess, do us all a favour...get some integrity.

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integrity? most of those dont know the meaning of the word.

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They are supposed to be educated....couldn't they look it up?

Except that is not their game.
Their game is to let us believe that we have a say.
That we have a DEMOCRATIC system which supports the electorate...except we know from past experience that democracy is only democracy if they AGREE with our choices.

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its a disgraceful state of affairs and if graham jones was the man i thought foolishly he was he would have agreed long ago.

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Cashy, we do not need to agree with how they see the world.
They probably earn three times what one of the Voters in this borough earn...and they can claim expenses too....so they do not live the same kind of life that we live.

It was expected that GJ would have a better handle on things, but he soon lost sight of the life we live in this area.
Sold out to the metropolitan bubble.

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UNBELIEVABLE....
On a day when it was announced that only 1 in 3 children in school in Birmingham are white (that is white as opposed to white English) Jess Phillips comes out with this garbage...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9292876.html

These people seem to HATE Britain and seem hellbent on destroying it and it's culture. I'm just glad more and more are wising up to these enemies within that always put ordinary British people second.

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spot on jimmy, though dont think they hate britain its were the best chance of a vote lies i think?

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I also think that this is to garner votes.
After all if the majority of the population in the area you represent are from other ethnic groups, then you would be on a loser if you do not represent them adequately....even if this is not in the best interests of the country.
Politicians are always going to do what keeps them riding on the gravy train.

The destruction of our culture and traditions was started by the policies of that grinning, hubristic man....Tony Blair and his motives were to increase the voting base of the Labour Party, regardless of the long term implications(though I am not sure if he had thought these through)

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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-divide-brexit

Starmer (the so called 'moderate' one) seems to back up just what you say. The only way you should have a vote in a country is to become a citizen of it

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Don’t you just love The Groaniad’s idea of facts and it’s arrogant belief in its own ‘divine’ right?

In the article linked in Jimmy’s post, following Starmer’s usual drivel and political cliches, it writes that:
But we will stay with you, delivering quality journalism so we can all make up our minds based on fact, not fiction.
More people, like you, are reading and supporting the Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism than ever before...

But the Press Gazette recently (August ‘19) reported that:
The Guardian recorded the smallest year-on-year circulation decline with a drop of five per cent to 130,484 copies.
The biggest year-on-year decline was reported by the Sunday People and Daily Star Sunday at 18 per cent.
The Sun remains the best-selling national newspaper with a circulation of 1.26m, only 100,000 copies above nearest rival the Daily Mail.

I know there’s online reading too now, but is it likely to be so vastly different from the printed version?

So having one tenth of the circulation of the most popular newspapers (not mine by the way) but losing readers more slowly is something for the Groaniad to congratulate itself about.
With the impending sacking of 450 jobs from BBC News the Groaniad’s circulation is only going in one direction.

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Keir Starmer calls on government to give EU citizens voting rights

It was more that point I was trying to emphasise. He wants EU citizens to have MORE rights than us. A vote in their home country AND a vote here.
They REALLY, REALLY have lost it with ordinary folk.

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Jimmy this man has promised that if he is made leader of the party.....and IF they are elected to power, he would reinstate free movement of people.

That along with giving EU citizens a vote in elections here.....with the likelihood of there being no checks to see if the person is currently resident here, really means that he has learned absolutely nothing about why Labour is such a miserable failure.

By proclaiming these intentions, he has further guaranteed that Labour will remain in the political desert they have made for themselves.
Unless they listen to what the moderate traditional Labour voter is telling them they can forget any possibility of getting into power for a long long time.

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I would go even further than that - even with changes no one can trust them and what lurks in the shadows. I would say nobody alive today will ever see another labour government in this country. That is the damage they have done.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1236605]Jimmy this man has promised that if he is made leader of the party.....and IF they are elected to power, he would reinstate free movement of people.

they just do not get it do they. their core supporters do not want this type of stuff so why push issues like this out just to become unelectable.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1236774]trouble is many that joined labour under momentum are as thick as 2 short planks, and these clowns are pulling the strings, labour are too dense to grasp that fact, this is why many people went elsewhere!

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And to prove your point, Cashy....

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...of-the-unwoke/

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What a scary read that is.
How glad I am that I have lived my life....and am at the bum end of it.

The Labour Party have had it if they continue on this road.
If I were a member, and was expelled for speaking what is an immutable fact.....then I would be GLAD that I was no longer accepted in such a dystopian organisation.

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They just don't know when to stop regarding the annihilation of it's base working class support. In absolutely NO way could David Lammy EVER speak for me. He shows his true colours in supporting Jamaican criminals before the safety of the public. His only interest is in stopping the deportation of Jamaicans (not any other nationals just those from his own background) regardless of the fact many are killers, rapists and burglars. The Guardian goes bleating about their 'human rights' what about the rights of those who have suffered at the hands of those vermin and the future safety of the public if those criminals are allowed to remain on our streets. I had my doubts about Johnson but so far he is doing better tan the sickening excuse for a labour party could ever dream of.

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.. more back of a fag packet policy ideas from Long-Bailey -
We lost terribly in Scotland and we desperately need those seats back there if we are ever to gain power again

Let's promise them an Independence referendum !!!

...er… but then you'll lose those additional seats you need to control Westminster....duh

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It's a bit late now, but its a pity Andy Burnham didn't stand in the leader's election.
My guess is he would have romped home.

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May well have done, but doubt very much if it would do any good, Corbyn, Mcdonnel, @ Abbott have destroyed a great party.

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One step forward....actually Kier Starmer's election as leader is more treading water - but then up steps Abbot to push the labour party 10 steps back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR0VkXk30-Q&t=488s

Her racism is unbelievable and wouldn't be tolerated if made by someone not of an ethnic persuasion.