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we have 4 holidays booked at the moment next year we are going to iceland and northern norway cos we want too not the fact its listed.it was booked before any pandemic

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well you,ll enjoy iceland. met a few of different ages who have been there and non have had anything bad to say about the place. they knew it would not be like benidorm or be as cheap as chips before they went.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1253847]Is that code for nicking stuff from fields & farmer Giles trust box?

Only if its in Merseyside ! ;););)

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Enjoy those breaks Cashy....are they cruises by any chance?
One of our lads worked in the Scandinavian countries....all of them, at one time or another...he liked the places but not the food.
He used to pack supplies to take with him.
This is over thirty years ago now so I reckon there might have been some changes.

Iceland does not appeal to me, nor does Norway.....but I hope you both have a lovely time on your breaks.

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This country has vaccinated 53.5 million people.
18 million have had both vaccinations....by the time the holiday season comes around that will have risen quite a bit.
So why the reticence at allowing folk to have holidays in Europe?(if that is what they want).

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yep we have been norway before it is expensive but we love it.

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its very understandable to me europe are way behind us in them, and e.u people go to the places we do.

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Yes, but vaccinated travellers are protected aren’t they?
And I am sure they are taking sensible precautions in Spain and France.....my niece has just been to Seville from Brussels where she is working.....I am sure she would not risk her health....but then again she is in the age group that seem not to susceptible.

If you were unvaccinated then of course you would not go.

I would not go anywhere in a plane vaccinated or not.

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im under the impression that if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on if you get a mild dose? nothing to say who will get it at a mild dose?

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So...not protection then?
If it is not protection, then it is not a vaccine in the true sense of the word.

So, why have it if it does not do what a vaccine is supposed to do?

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that to me is silly it stops you getting a bad version of it. or does that not matter to some?

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It may not stop you from getting it.....and you can still be passing it on.....so it is not a vaccine.
Smallpox vaccine stops you from getting it...polio vaccine stops you from getting polio....but the Covid vaccine will only (maybe) ensure you get a milder dose....so it then becomes a treatment rather than a vaccine.

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:cool:

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who cares if thats what it does? beats the hell outa me.

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I hope it does not beat the hell out of you. I quite like that you still have some hell in you!

And they are, (Come September) going to be giving this vaccine(that is not a vaccine) to 12 year olds...who are unlikely to get Coronavirus....so what is the rationale behind that then.

Because it surely is not to prevent transmission since this vaccine does not guarantee to prevent transmission.
Cashy..it does not make sense to me..but since you feel more secure having had this protection(that may not protect you from transmitting the infection...and may not stop you from getting it either...though milder) I accept your viewpoint.