Human Rights gone mad?
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4145325.stm


How the heck did he get away with this? Toenails too long!

Whether or not he is guilty or innocent as charged this is just making a total mockery of the justice system.

Discuss?

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Would he have got away with it if he was british, i think not.

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simple offer him an ultamatum (spelling?) cut them or get charged for not turning up
this is totally wrong if i was the primeminister i would have kicked him out of the country along time ago it just shows to others thinking of coming to this country to cause racial upset that it is easy to do and you WILL not get charged

WHAT IS WITH THIS COUNTRY????

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The problem is that TB cannot interfere with the legal system. Much that he would like to.

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Well said Willow, the first words of human kindness in the whole topic! Can none of you see the poor man is suffering? We need to Organise a Committee of like minded people that can head a ' Toe nail Clipper fund', in fact, just a minute I've an old pair of wire cutters here where can I send them they'll do at a pinch!
Lets get the UN to send in volunteers that could take on this drastic medical problem, no sorry that won't do will it because he has the human right not to except medical treatment for this pain that he is going through. All we can hope really is that this terrible, terrible situation will come to a quick end for him, perhaps if we all got together and prayed very, very hard God in all his wisdom could then turn this foot problem into something terminal!
:rolleyes:

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Looks to me that he is not being a good Muslim.....
While people generally consider cleanliness a desirable attribute, Islam insists on it , making it an indispensable fundamental of the faith. A Muslim is required to be pure morally and spiritually as well as physically. Through the Qur'an and Sunnah Islam requires the sincere believer to sanitize and purify his entire way of life.
In Islam the Arabic term for purity is Taharah. Books of Islamic jurisprudence often contain an entire chapter with Taharah as a heading. Allah orders the believer to be tidy in appearance.
Cleanliness In Islam Is Of Three Kinds:

1. Purification from impurity (i.e. to attain purity or cleanliness, by taking a bath (ghusl) or performing ablution (wudoo) in states in which a bath or ablution is necessary or desirable according to Islamic Law).
2. To cleanse one's body, dress or place from an impurity of filth.
3. To remove the dirt or grime that collects in various parts of the body, such as cleaning the teeth and nostrils, the trimming of nails and the removing of armpit and pubic hair.

It is not allowed to leave them for more than forty nights. This is based on the Hadith of Anas who said, "The Messenger of Allah set a time limit for us for trimming the mustache, trimming nails, removing armpit hairs and removing pubic hairs. They cannot be left for more than forty nights."2 [Recorded by Muslim]. Letting them grow long resembles animals and some of the disbelievers
Maybe he doesnt read the Koran or is just a terrorist masquerading as a Mulla.

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It is perfectly obvious that the lawyers defending this odious creature realise that they have not got a hope in hell of preventing his conviction and extradition to the United States and are trying every delaying tactic that they can come up with.

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Exactly, A-B..............but don't forget who's paying the lawyers through legal aid. If the taxpayer gets any change out of a million on this one, I'l be surprised.

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Well.......... I will volunteer to cut his toenails (starting at his knees), and wheel him down to the courtroom free of charge (well there would be a slight electrical dis-charge - say 50000 volts).

I would also be available to cut his fingernails or those things that look like fingernails. But I must start at the elbows, with a blow torch!

The law is a joke...and he is making it look so!!!

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Forget all the fuss of getting him to court and all the costs involved, just give me a gun and I'd save everyone the trouble.

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Don't forget, folks, the poor man cannot cut his own toenails because he has no hands. Having only one eye doesn't help, either. The fact that he lost both hands and his eye because he was not the most efficient bomb-maker around is neither here nor there.

As for TB not interfering in the law - who says? Why do you think we have the Human Rights Act? SIMPLE - the barristers' chambers that leads the field in human rights (and collecting the dosh for doing so) is Matrix Chambers. Who is Head of Matrix Chambers? - Step forward Cherie Booth QC - also known as Mrs Tony Blair!
SURPRISE, SURPRISE.

If I made over half a million nice big smackers a year, I would consider being a Socialist - mind you, it does seem to pay.

Anyway, why can't that b****r Hamza bite his toenails off, he's obviously slippery enough.

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I will gladly hold your ammunition for you Bagpuss

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Aye, made me giggle did that.

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I can understand Hamza and his lawyers trying every trick in the book (and a few new ones) especially after hearing that the presiding judge will be Judge Beaumont. He recently presided over a very similar case............


Race hate cleric jailed for nine years

Sentence on Muslim preacher 'excessive'

Tania Branigan
Saturday March 8, 2003
The Guardian

Abdullah el-Faisal, the Muslim cleric convicted of soliciting the murder of non-believers and stirring up racial hatred, was jailed for nine years yesterday.

But his defence counsel, Jerome Lynch QC, called the sentence at the Old Bailey "harsh" and said Muslims might see it as undermining their community. He said that the preacher would appeal.

"We don't have any time for his views, but this seems excessive," said Trevor Hemmings of the civil liberties campaign Statewatch, comparing it with shorter sentences for hate crimes by far-right extremists.

"The message that this sends out is that if you are black or Asian and say something out of order you get jailed for nine years and deported, but if you are on the right you can go out tooled up with knuckledusters and get half of that."

El-Faisal, 39, was convicted last month on three counts of soliciting murder, in the first prosecution of its kind for 100 years, and three counts of inciting racial hatred. He was the first Muslim cleric to be tried in the UK for his preaching.

"Allah is the only judge," a supporter called from the public gallery as Peter Beaumont, the common serjeant of London, jailed El-Faisal and recommended he be deported after his sentence. El-Faisal is a Jamaican citizen but his wife and three children are British.

"You not only preached hate but urged[listeners] to kill those who did not share your faith," Judge Beaumont said.

"This country has a tradition of free speech, but that right is preserved by making sure one person's right to speak what he or she believes does not endanger someone else's right to live or worship in peace and safety."

He said that, as a cleric, El- Faisal had a responsibility to "young and impressionable people" at a time of tension, but "instead of calming fears, you fanned the flames of hostility.

"It rang hollow for you to say that none of the young men to whom you preached went off to fight in Afghanistan or Chechnya or Kashmir. No one, least of all you, will ever know."

The police have failed to find evidence that El-Faisal knew convicted terrorists or that any of his listeners went to fight abroad.

Judge Beaumont imposed a total of seven years for soliciting murder, to be followed by a total of two years for inciting racial hatred, saying they would be served consecutively to indicate society's abhorrence of El-Faisal's comments.

During the trial the court heard that El-Faisal told audiences the way forward was "the bullet, not the ballot" and urged them to learn to fly planes, drive tanks, load guns and use missiles.

In one speech he told them: "People with British passports, if you fly into Israel, it is easy.

"Fly into Israel and do whatever you can.

"How do you fight a Jew? You kill a Jew."

El-Faisal said he was merely interpreting and updating the Koran, and his comments applied only to non-believers who persecuted Muslims.

In letters to the judge, supporters of El-Faisal described him as a kind-hearted man who made a huge contribution to the community.

Outside the court, Mr Lynch - who had described his client as "misguided, not malicious" - said El-Faisal was sanguine and viewed the decision as the will of God. He would serve Allah in Jamaica when he was deported.

"I have to question the necessity of having him as a double category A prisoner," Mr Lynch said. "There are plans to appeal. We will be looking at various aspects in terms of the conviction and the sentence."

He added: "There is a reasonable prospect that many Muslims will regard this as harsh even if they don't share his views and will see it as yet another attempt to undermine the Muslim community.

"Every right to free speech has a responsibility not to endanger others, but if that is the sole criterion we will never progress. Every speech that seeks to change the way things are is bound, is it not, to infringe the rights of others?"

Possible grounds for appeal would include the decision to charge El-Faisal without warning him first, as other preachers had been asked to alter their sermons, and the fact the judge did not direct the jury on what constitutes a war. El-Faisal said he was inviting Muslims to fight in legitimate wars.

A spokesman for the Muslim Parliament, which condemns El-Faisal's comments, called the sentence "severe".

He said: "People who kill people on the road get two years. This seems ridiculous and does not fit the crime."

My heart goes out to poor Abdullah, after all, his friends say that he is "a kind hearted man" and he was only interpreting and updating the Koran....??
Lets hope that Judge Beaumont stays on this form in July when Hamza overcomes his toenails to go before him!

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Nobody. It is merely another specious argument used in justification of the indefensible.