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Does it worry you tha Boris has said he will tweak bits of the Withdrawal Agreement(in relation to the border with Ireland), thus breaking international law?
Would this create embarrassment for you ?
Do you think it changes our standing in the world?
Do you think Tony Blair(war criminal....allegedly) and John Major have any right to poke their noses into this subject?
Both were appallingly bad prime ministers in their day.
I would be interested to hear the views of others.

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i would be very pleased if Blair and Major got COVID.

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It bothers me that with all the emphasis being on the damned Corona virus, everything else the government should be dealing with & informing people about is going under the radar

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would not want anyone really to get ill, but if you had to pick someone then Blair must be your man. just wonder how honest tony would have dealt with this virus and how many lies that would come out of that perma smile of a gob.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1244588]
Would this create embarrassment for you ?


it will once johnson caves in and the brexit we eventually get is not the one we voted for.

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Personally i dont think he will cave in, only thing i can see to stop it, is the ****s in the house of commons, if they get enough of the scum.

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I asked the questions, but did not post my views on this.

The withdrawal agreement was forced onto Theresa May and she accepted it...I think in the hope that it would make getting a deal easier.
We all know that has not been the case.
It does not worry me that we would be seen to be breaking international law, because the EU have indulged in a campaign of dirty tricks and intimidatory language, threats and skulduggery...so in my book they are fair game.

As for Tony Blair and John Major, well they are arch remainers who still think that there is a way for them to promote their own twisted agenda.
Both of these men are beneath contempt.
I would not be embarrassed, and I hope that boris does what is necessary to get us out of the clutches of Brussels.....and if the EU don't want to trade with us, well that is OK too...but I cannot see the spanish not selling their tomatoes or cucmbers to us, or the germans not wanting to sell cars and domestic appliances...whether we still want o buy them is another matter entirely

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that to me is a resonable description of what will happen Margaret,

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I, and 17.4 million others, sincerely hope you’re right, Cashy.
But the way this Govt has flip-flopped on the Covid nonsense, and continued to take advice from discredited ‘experts’,....
I won’t believe it until we’re out, totally, with no future shackles.

Personally, I think a WTO deal (constantly smeared by the BBC and Remoaner Media as ‘no deal’) was the best option from day one.

As for the WA being foisted on Treason May, I think she was quite happy for it to tie the UK up in EU red tape for decades to come.

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Geoffrey Cox the former attorney General ha said it is 'unconscionable' for the UK to break the rules.
It has a;ways been the tradition for the brits to follow the rules...and that is why we could NEVER fit in with the EU...it was because we followed rules in a slavish fashion.
Rukles that other countries chose whether to follow or discard...and the EU know that is a trait we are defined by...and they want to make mileage out of that fact.

It is said, if changes are made to the Withdrawal agreement, then we will lose our good reputation......so is it a fair trade off?
Break the rules and be free...or stick with the extracted promises and be forever seen as a soft touch and a 'patsy'.(which is, I think how the world sees us anyway)
I say tear up the bill and at the same time tell them they can whistle for their money

Exile, I think you are right about theresa May...I think she hoped the red tape would tie us to the EU forever, in the hope we would change our minds.

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Me too, me too!

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While I cannot stand either of these men, I do not wish ill on them, I just wish that their consciences would plague them for every minute of every day for the rest of their lives...like an itch that you cannot reach to scratch.

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oh i do, dont care what some think of me its no good mentioning conscience they i believe dont have them, i honestly think all this crap over our departure has been deliberately caused by the remoaning swine who where supposed to represent the people? that includes May, Cameron and a few more,

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No it doesn't worry me, I've obviously spent too long in fantasy land imagining it's the real world to let this worry me.
One day I might be brave enough to take my fingers out of my ears and stop singing la, la, la, but not yet.

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you and me both!

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Good article about this latest death twitch from the Remoaner Elites.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...isnt-over-yet/

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You are right Exile, it explains beautifully why we should not trust either of these men.
It would be like letting a fox guard the henhouse.....and the reason why the EU are kicking up a stink is because Sir David Frost is no pushover.
It begs the question as to why he wasn't the lead negotiator in previous negotiations.....and the conclusion drawn by the answer is that none of the ruling elite really wanted to succeed in leaving the EU and getting a trade deal was not important if we were still tied to the corpse of the EU.

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Spot on, Margaret.

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It has been reported thatnif the Prime Minister tweaks the Withdrawal Agreement, there is a possibility for the EU to take legal action...so I was delighted to read Sir Peter Marcshalls views on this.
I felt that the EU had broken international law, but I could not outline how or in what way.
This article is from main stream media, but it is worth a read.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...llegally-Boris

Have a look and see what you think.

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best way is tell them to get stuffed and walk away if no agreement no trouble. imho

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Cashy, they still think we will cave in!

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i doubt that very much margaret - hope im right. B.J. is many things but doubt if stupid is one of em.

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I hope so Cashy.
It would be a disaster if those bustards in Brussels won.

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can imagine those countries in the EU that do a lot of exporting to GB will be more than a little worried. doubt any reasons the EU come up with to make exporting difficult to us would not go down too well. thats if they get the full facts and not a local BBC type slant on stuff in their countries.

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Not in the least! In fact the more the eu-rinal & remoaniacs squeal & stamp their feet the more I feel Brexit on WTO terms is the way to go.

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Here’s some facts you’ll never see or hear on the Brussels Broadcasting Corruption:

https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_sep_brexit_britain_soars

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Why yeh bothering wi facts mate they mean nowt to financers imho

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It makes me so angry to hear that the Germans call us 'treasure Island'....nothing would please me more than leaving on WTO rules and watching their exports go down the gurgler.

I agree, the more the remainders squeal and scream makes me sure that leaving with no trade deal....and with the WA tweaked to our advantage.
Ann Widecombe made an observation a bout the EU taking legal action against us...she said
'They can't afford it'.
The EU are in no position to complain about us reneging on a treaty. They themselves have broken international law and nothing happened to them.

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What worries me is that the disgraceful way the country is being mismanaged at the moment and how it will impact our image abroad and to future trading partners. People see how poorly the virus situation has been handled here and how the economy is being destroyed more so than rival nations and it is hardly likely to inspire confidence in foreign investors. I would hate to see the pro-EU parties profit from this and have us crawling back to join as a bankrupt third rate nation.... though if we weren't in a position to contribute they probably wouldn't want us.

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I truly canot see any pro EU party gaining anything in the way of leverage to take us back into the EU.
For a start, I think this is tthe beginning of the end for the EU.....other nations are seeing how the land lies and when we have left...I mean totally, I think there might be others that follow.
As for our reputation regarding the handling of the virus...it seems that there are someout there whwo think there should be harsher restrictions...though thankfully there seems to be an awakening. some people are beginning to see and recognise what is going on...that we are beeing duped.
After all how can you have a pandemic and have a total death rate that is LOWER year on year for the last five years?

The pandemic is a vehicle for massive social change.....the politicians have a sinister agenda.....vaccinate, track, get rid of cash....allowing banks to control your money, because if they do that they control YOU.

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https://www.positivemoney.eu/digital-euro/


Lagarde says the eu could turn to using an "Electronic €", they'll put it to the people, (And as long as the response is the right one) to decide. They also mentioned coins & notes would remain. (yeah, but for how long?)

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That would worry me.
It takes no account of those who are not internet savvy(this tends to be the elderly) and those on very limited budgets.
When you have real cash money in your purse.....and you know this is all you have, you know when the purse is empty your spending power is done.
It is far harder to keep track of your spending on a card....especially if you have no mobile device to track your money.
There is also the concern of security of your cash....getting scammed.
It marginalises those who are already marginalised.....and it puts power into the hands of unscrupulous bankers.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245323]That would worry me.
It takes no account of those who are not internet savvy(this tends to be the elderly)

Ha, Ha, This seems like a dig at the Lancashire Luddite,not Internet savvy,(ok).
Elderly, (Maybe) but age is all in the mind, on the outside I am 73 years old, on the inside I am 21 years old and getting younger the more my good lady looks after me,plus a Hobgoblin or two dosn't do me any harm.
Your's (jokingly), The Luddite.

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No Taddy, definitely not a dig at you.
We have in our street several old folk(over 80)...none of them have smartphones....a couple of them do not have mobiles at all a couple of them have old phones ...no internet capacity.
I have sorted things out for them on my internet(reported faults on their boilers, on their land lines, things like that).
There are a couple of oldies who have needed to get exemption from masks lanyards, but have not been able to do it for themselves...so I have done that for them.

When Jim(my next door neighbour) was alive he was astonished at what I could do on my iPad(we facetimed his grand-daughter when she was working in Spain and he could not believe that he could see her and speak to her).....but to do this for himself it was beyond him.

Technology has its benefits, but it also has its dangers and its downsides, and these older folk have really been left behind.
Banks, utility companies, things we all need to have access to do not really take this into consideration and every new technological development leaves these people further behind and out of the picture.

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Oh and you are right about age being all in the mind. I am 73 in years, but my mental age is about 14.
I never let anything to do with age put me off...well except I would not try to climb everest( iget dizzy on a deep carpet)...I know my limitations and that is nowt to do with age...I would not have doneit at 16.

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Regarding age, I think it’s best to just forget your birth year and do what your body and mind are capable of doing, and want to do. It’s hard to accept one’s age when the mind is not agreeing with the actual fact (that is if mirror evidence is ignored). Personally my mind is sure I’m only about 23 though my body belies that fact by definitely showing many signs of 86 years of wear and tear. (There, I’ve admitted to it!). I saw an elderly woman the other day walking along quite slowly, using a walking frame. I said to my friend ‘look at that poor old dear’. My friend looked at me and laughed…..enough said!

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Margaret, you are so right regarding not everyone being able to deal with modern technology, not everyone can afford it. Not everyone is comfortable with it either and would much prefer to stick to what they know best. Maybe a little bit apprehensive and even a bit frightened of it all. Thankfully I have been able to (reasonably) keep up with such things but I can empathise with those who haven’t. It must be very hard for them and they should be shown consideration.

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As for a cashless society. It’s too easy to swipe (or tap) a card, and easier still to lose track of spending. Anyway, cash has a much better feel than a bit of plastic. Being cashless doesn’t always pay off, pardon the (sort of) pun. There was a glitch in the banking system here a little while ago and all the ATMs and EFTPOS were out of action for several hours. Panic stations, what a to-do. Those people who refuse to carry cash were well and truly you-know-what. The plastic brigade was left in limbo, while those who still used actual money were able to go about their business (and pleasure) as usual. It might not happen often but it does happen.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245323]That would worry me.
It takes no account of those who are not internet savvy(this tends to be the elderly) and those on very limited budgets.

the elderly might not be internet savvy but the younger end that are cannot hold a light to us when we have to add up the cost of a few articles in a shop. as for money the only time i have been scammed was uafter using my card. went through my life before this without having my pocket pinched.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1245365]Talking about cards, I called into the Whittakers Arms for a pint(s) the other day, the young lass who came to serve me; (no standing at the bar, table service only by the way) asked if I was paying by card, I said "by gum lass, if ever I have to pay for my ale with piece of plastic I will stop suppin". I don't know whether it was the comment or the Lancashire accent that tickled her, but she gave me the father of all smiles and replied thank you for that Sir.

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Thing is not internet savvy is correct with many older people, I Remember a doctor 20 yrs back that also thought older ones were no use and costly, so he bumped them off, i honestly reckon the internet giants are using a similar logic to Shipman. who they only caught cos of a badly forged will.he may still have been at it now but for that,:eek:

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You know Cashy, I think you could be right.
Organisations continue to pander to those who use smart phones, but seem to forget that their foundations were built by the people who they now make life harder and harder for.
The old folk who live in my street not only don't have the internet, but do not have plastic debit cards that you can just swipe and go.
Why is that?
It is because they do not trust them....at all.
They worry about the fact that they could be robbed of their limited cash by someone unscrupulous.....either from the shop they are buying from or someone they do not know.
They trundle down to the post office weekly with their Post Office account card, they tap in their number(and even this is hard for some of them, both the trip and having to remember a number) they get cash for their everyday needs and they can perhaps pay a bill over the counter.

This was how my Mum dealt with things.
She only got a current bank account with a debit card when she was 88... three years before she died.
Yes she had a saving account....with a pass book, but that was no good for dealing with financial transactions.
The bank that she used really did not want to be bothered with her difficulties with her financial doings....and encouraged me to get power of attorney.
She dealt in cash....she felt comfortable with cash. She knew where she was with cash and she looked after it like it was her heart.
Thank goodness she is no longer around to see what a mess life has become.
(And I mean that in the sense of she would have worried about where society is going.....not that I do not miss her....I do)

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yeh know Margaret i thought that for a long while, very few bother at all about old people and cetainly those who run banks and stuff like that.

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I wonder, is this how it was way back in prehistory when the barter system was first replaced by money?

All the old folk full of distrust for this new fangled system and refusing to have anything to do with it.

Nancy (who has grown to the grand old age of 39 very old for those disease ridden days) starts the conversation,

'well I'm having nowt to do with it, these coin things introduced by them banker chappies I just can't trust a man what uses parchment instead of a traditional dock leaf to wipe his ring clean, t'ain't natural how can we smell them getting close? nope twill be the day hell freezes over before I use pounds shilling and pence'.

George pulls his ricket ravaged body of 43 to it's full height of four foot eleven (a giant of a man by any of the days standards), 'well o'course you all know me never too old to try something new but by lucifer I went into the coaching inn not more n' a year ago and that serving wench asked if i would be paying with cash?'.

'Cash? CASH? Says I, I turns to this handmaid and says Well lass if I can't buy my mead with a bushel o' corn and three eggs like my father afore me I'll start drinking from the village pond and catch the disease what killed the other thirteen members of this thriving City.

Basically, change isn't always bad, how we adapt to it though, can be.

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Change is not bad at all but there is no consideration for older people by those who make changes in many cases,

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Change has to happen...of course it does, but the changes should incorporate all the needs of service users.
Change has happened at a meteoric pace during the last century....certainly the latter part of it.....with an increasing dependence on technology.
Heaven help us if technology fails....or if some foreign power hacks into our main utilities.....brings us to our knees.

This technology has been difficult for some members of society to deal with, mainly because they have not been included......it has dropped them like a whirlwind at the side of the super highway.

Now I know much of this has been down to the reluctance of these people(the old folk) to understand the technology, to fear it, to distrust it.
I know this because I am one of these.
I consider myself reasonably tech savvy, but am reluctant to use something that has few benefits for me(but many for the provider....like charging for the service, bombarding me with information that is of little value to me, the selling off of my data, the ability to track my movements, recognise my purchasing patterns)... so I can see both sides of the coin.

Many of the changes that have happened recently have disadvantaged the older people in society...made their lives more difficult and made them worry.


There will come a time when cash disappears, but I fervently hope that I have departed the planet by then

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About the prospect of a cashless society - there are definitely times when using cash is still a necessity. For example, although I use my card of course, there are times when I do have to have cash in the house otherwise how could I pay the man who mows my lawn to earn a bit extra to supplement his pension? How could I give my young grandchildren their holiday spending money to use as they see fit? How can I pay my neighbour for some shopping she has got for me? Okay, so these are trivial examples but are necessary for me. Plastic might be the way of the world now but there is still a place for cash.

Also, I can understand the reluctance that some people (maybe they ARE mainly of the older generation) have regarding the use of bankcards rather than cash. We probably all know someone, or of someone, who has had unauthorised transaction/s carried out on their card by some lowlife. So the security of these cards can be in question, and will be questioned by those who are already apprehensive about the use of them as against good old cash.

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On a slightly different note but still concerning modern technology, have you ever tried to argue with a computer that won’t let you ‘in’ even if you are computer savvy? Has your frustration reached boiling point when you’ve written a long ‘epistle’ and then lost the lot because you forgot to save it, hit the wrong key, and now it’s lost forever no matter however much you try to get it back?

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy my computer and spend a lot of time on it, but sometimes…..

Following on - have you ever tried to get past the computerised robot that answers phone calls with ‘state in a few words what your query is about’. Is it just because of my Lancashire accent (yes, even after 63 years away) that ‘it’ doesn’t recognise what I am saying and after three frustrated attempts I give up trying to get an answer.

The personal touch has certainly left the stage, and more’s the pity. Such a relief if and when you actually get to speak to a real person, except when there is still a language/accent barrier (and not on my side this time). Oops! am I allowed to say that....

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It seems that (here anyway) even young children have their own card....called Go Henry....this is to get them used to saving/spending/using a card.
Parents/grandparents/others can electronically transfer money to these accounts....thereby inculcating even young children into the 'normality' of cashless society.....but to keep track of the account,you need a smartphone.
So not just the money is tracked, the child is too.
And you might think that this is a good thing....and you could be right, but again it fosters a dependence on technology...technology that can be hacked or could fail, leaving these youngsters with little idea of how to cope without their electronic brain

That all sounds very negative and it shows some of my bias creeping in.
I cannot help my bias....I am a cynical old baggage and I can see the negatives and not much of the positives. It is hard to see positives for something that I have very little use for, and which destroys social interaction, the humanity of social contact without 'social media'....real face to face conversations using real language, not textspeak.

All that said, it is just a couple of weeks ago I was tempted for maybe a nanosecond into getting a smartphone.
It seems that any transaction carried out on the internet, now requires authorisation.
My bank will accept a land line number, PayPal will not.
I thought about the way round this, but right now am still wrestling with it.
It may mean that PayPal lose my account.....that would be sad as I use it a fair bit.....but maybe I could learn to live without it.

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[QUOTE=Less;1245379]I wonder, is this how it was way back in prehistory when the barter system was first replaced by money?

All the old folk full of distrust for this new fangled system and refusing to have anything to do with it.

actually a lot of the barter system still went on in some ways. it was called swapping. not just one item for another but swapping trades. my old man had no clue about painting and decorating but always found someone to do our house free. he just did various forms of metal work for the other person in return. as for old folk or should i say older folk who distrust plastic, they spent their whole lives paying by cash. saving up for something and distrusting the never never. most never got into the manure like the younger end do with their money, so why should they change. if youngsters followed their gran they may have a better life than constant worry about money for foreign holidays and christmas money they do not actually have.

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I like it....give that man a coconut(he can barter it for a pork pie if he wants)
Spot on MH.
This obsession with getting rid of money is another way of getting you into hock because if you can't readily see what you have spent, or how much you have left then you are going to get into debt...debt means income for the banks...so they will be smiling all the way to the....bank...but wait there won't be any face to face branches left by then.

That is another worry.
No banks on the high street mean that many who would not use online banking services have had their hand forced...it is either bank online or find a new bank(with all the rigmarole of opening new accounts) each time your favoured bank picks up its skirts and heads for the Internet.

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Where exactly do you go at the moment for a face to face about your Pay Pal account Margaret?
I don't know of any local branches around here?
:confused:

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[QUOTE=Less;1245379]I wonder, is this how it was way back in prehistory when the barter system was first replaced by money?

All the old folk full of distrust for this new fangled system and refusing to have anything to do with it.

Nancy (who has grown to the grand old age of 39 very old for those disease ridden days) starts the conversation,

'well I'm having nowt to do with it, these coin things introduced by them banker chappies I just can't trust a man what uses parchment instead of a traditional dock leaf to wipe his ring clean, t'ain't natural how can we smell them getting close? nope twill be the day hell freezes over before I use pounds shilling and pence'.

George pulls his ricket ravaged body of 43 to it's full height of four foot eleven (a giant of a man by any of the days standards), 'well o'course you all know me never too old to try something new but by lucifer I went into the coaching inn not more n' a year ago and that serving wench asked if i would be paying with cash?'.

'Cash? CASH? Says I, I turns to this handmaid and says Well lass if I can't buy my mead with a bushel o' corn and three eggs like my father afore me I'll start drinking from the village pond and catch the disease what killed the other thirteen members of this thriving City.

Oh what a cracker, you wouldn't be Less Dawson reincarnated would you.:D:D

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Well, you know as well as I do that there are no face to face Paypal branches...but then Paypal is not exactly a bank, but a financial services provider, so I think your question is a tad unfair...you are not comparing like for like.
It has grown up because of the internet market place....and it was recommended by my bank.

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No Taddy, not Les Dawson reincarnated...Les Dawson was funny.
Sorry for that Less.....I think I might have mislaid my sense of humour somewhere.
Loss of sense of humour?
That is not a recognised symptom of Covid is it?
The cartoon was just a little bit funny.

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Obviously lost much more than your sense of humour, perhaps it's an age thing coming soon to all us pensioners.

Yet another thing to look forward to in my dotage.

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Yes Less, getting old(or even older) is definitely not for sissies...nor is it much to look forward to...even if you are fit and well.

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could actually see banks in large towns and cities opening up a branch in the back of primark or home bargains post office style. those of us in smaller towns will have to visit them.

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Yes. I think I read an article about a number of banks sharing the same premises.
That would certainly be better than banks disappearing from the high street.
TSB are closing 164 branches between now and 2021....that is a loss of service to many customers.

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A few years ago there were some moves to introduce a National Identity Card. There were significant numbers of objections to this on the grounds of privacy, loss of civil liberty etc. Interestingly there have been no such howls of protest to the 'Smart Phone' gradually not only taking over this role but covering a much wider data set. For example the biometric data that was planned for the identity card never included such items as the size and colour of your underwear** or your shoe size or dietry preferences or locations regularly visited. Of course it does not officially perform this function - until you become 'a person of interest'. I wonder how long it will be before somebody suggests that it should officially take on this role?

** Significant errors are possible - you may have purchased items for your partner (or someone else!)

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As far as im concerned the only objectors to the National Identity Card were complete Balloons.

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Not only has it been suggested it’s happening now.
In a few years if you don’t download your NHS app = no digital medical passport = no access to education, certain jobs/careers, travel....etc, etc.

This article, from a well-known right-wing conspiracy publication :rolleyes: explains what’s been happening in China and how 17.5 million people were denied airline travel because they didn’t add up to ‘good’ citizens.
This is what they mean by the “new normal”.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-credit-system

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well Cashy, that makes me one then.


I do not wish to carry an identity card.
Who is going to ask me for it?


why do they need to know who I am?
Is their reason for asking me for it legal?


I have nothing to hide, but do not want to have to carry and identity card.
If I am knocked down in the street and I am on my own(quite rare these days) my purse will identify me.
It has my name and telephone number in it...and of course my bank card.

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and that is one of the biggest reasons why I do not want a smartphone.

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WELL nobodys perfect there are far too many illegals knocking about i do not wish to put up with that and nothing done simple as.

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You are right Cashy.....nobody is perfect.

So I have to prove I am not an illegal alien?
I can do that with my national insurance number, my NHS number and my work record.....and a sheaf of paid council tax stubs, a mortgage record that goes back to 1966.
You are going to tell me that all of this can be faked.....and that also applies to ID cards...even those with biometric information.
We both know how ingenious and underhand scammers and cloners are.
HMRC have no difficulty in finding me and knowing it IS me.

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I saw that article in the Gaurdian and it worried me then...it worries me even more now.

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to be sure nothing in that excuse for a paper bothers me in fact not a great deal in any paper does,

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It is whether you believe what is being reported and there is evidence from other sources that say the report is authentic...and that is what worries me Cashy.
I would not choose to read the Guardian, but when you see reports of this nature from other sources you have to consider it to be accurate.


Roger Creemers Of Leiden University wrote a detailed paper about the way China is controlling the masses.
I would post a link, but feel sure that it would not be read...but if there is anyone out there who want to know more than the MSM tells us PM me and I will supply the link.

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cashy, if we all had ID cards and had to carry em with us and show em when requested and would be fined if we didn,t you know the illegals would be told not to forget em next time. thats if they were stopped in the first place.

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Not at all if people woke up and changed the law. yeh gotta start somewhere with these spongers.

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and the joke is that older you are the less chance of you owning one or being on the tin ter net anyway. thought we were the group in danger, so whats the point.

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it would only work if people like us were in power which i,m afraid aint going to happen. the WOKE, lefty, guardian reading, lentil eaters seem to be getting their way i,m afraid. there are so many now who actually want us to help and embrace the idea of law breaking by entering into a country by illegal means. when you go against their twisted ideas you are told you have no compassion and some kind of ist being quoted about you.

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To be honest M.H. i could not care less what anyone labels me, or what they say, i will make my own mind up about things and stuff em.

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Cashy, when the thought police catch up with the two of us I hope we are in the same cell block...we could start some real discusions.:D

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well if i had to do time that would do for me.:D

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Me too...three meals a day, no gas or electric or council tax to pay....that would be too easy Cashy...they wouldn't do it...besides they know that we would create havoc...no, they would take every penny we owned and make us work for nowt.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245455...no, they would take every penny we owned and make us work for nowt.[/QUOTE]

that would make you two slaves then and i could take the knee to the accrington two and all your relatives.

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Well, Thank you Monkey Hanger....maybe we could start our own movement eh Cashy?

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