Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I don't understand how we the UK have or will send troops to the Polish border to protect them form the Iraq/ Afgan nationals trying to invade Europe. Why not deploy them to our coastal waters and stop the 100"s of daily crossings. France is a safe haven, no reason to come here. We are a small island, why send them anywhere as mentioned. Just don't let them anywhere near. 150 soldiers would be better on French soil and not Polish.

Loads of links online to the ever deepening migrant crisis.

Should we protect our borders first?

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Yes, we should protect our borders, but the outgoing head of the Border Control Service did not seem to think so…he said ‘borders are a pain in the Ar$€’…..so if he thought like that, why was he in the job (ok…Money is the answer).
You cannot expect the Border Control to be up to much when the head of the service expresses those kind of opinions.

The thing about the situation in Poland, is that it was engineered to create chaos and havoc for the EU.
These people have been used as political pawns.
They were flown in by Alexander Lukashenko with the aim of creating disorder.
Most of these migrants want to come to the UK……and Poland is the entry point to the EU.
France is paid by us to keep the migrants from entering the channel, but this has not been effective.
The French have been escorting these boats to UK waters….where border force(who should be turning them back) assist them to dry land…here in the UK.

We are a soft touch and that is why they want to come here.
Refugees should stay in the first safe country where they make footfall….that is not the UK.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

The old assault boats HMS Bulwark & HMS Hermes would've been ideal about now patrolling the channel. Marines in RR boats rounding up the "Illegal Gimmies", packing them in onboard the mother ship, then steaming down to the South aflantic with supplies & lumber.


Dropped off in the uninhabited parts of the Falklands or some such other godforsaken "British" Island, public happy, gimmies get their wish to be in "British" safekeeping. If they don't like it, they could always try & get a dingy from somewhere & paddle across to the land of the Daygloes, that or back to Africa.


Just a thought mind.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

ITs no crisis at all when they get here,:rolleyes:

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Is there much difference between what Lukashenko (spelling?) has been doing on the Belarus - Poland border and what Macron has been doing increasingly this year (ooh, is there a French election coming up)?

Allowing thousands of illegal migrants to mass on the border then encourage, or at least do nothing to prevent, them trying to cross to the neighbouring country as a way of trying to extort political/economic advantage from that neighbour.

I think Dave in Deutchland’s idea is brilliant. Process them all on South Georgia. As he wrote, the bleating Lefties and tax-sponging London lawyers couldn’t say they’re not being dealt with on British soil.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

No, Exile…there is absolutely no difference between Macron and Lukashenko.
They have both calculated that allowing these economic migrants the opportunity to illegally and without respect of due process, to enter countries that do not wish to take them in this manner.

These are not refugees.
These are people who want to come here for what they see as a soft ride…..yet they despise our way of life and in four or five years time will be radicalised and trying to blow us limb from limb.
The Manchester bomber was an asylum seeker, so too the guy who made a nail bomb to detonate at The Liverpool Women’s Hospital.
Pretended to be a Christian to give his cause weight.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Yeah Dave I like that idea.

We could always bump them back before they cross into our waters. Personally I would shoot the things as soon as they entered the sea.

We have a huge problem, nobody's suggested the military. No let's send them to Europe., one of the reasons for leaving was to reclaim our borders. Put our bodies on French soil, that would deter the criminals.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I think some politico broached the subject the other day of having British troops over in Frogland to "Assist" the feeble "Grenouilles". One major problem I see there though, is that the arrogant froglets would be proper bitter about being reminded how ineffectual they are, British troops on their beaches again! Saving the cheese eating surrender monkeys from their own incompetence.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

The French really do have a problem with us and it goes back centuries….it is an inbred attitude…..so I cannot see them accepting British soldiers on their soil….showing them how to do a job that THEY should be doing….because we have paid them to do it.
What is more we can’t get our money back because they have spent it.
Put old ships in the Bay of Biscay and transport these boat wallahs to them….maybe after a few days they will be begging to go back where they came from.

I read something yesterday where these incomes have been tattooed with Christian crosses……just so that they can plead that sending them back would be the death sentence to them….converting from Islam is punishable by death.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

We have billions of £'s in military, and a jet ski can do the 31miles unseen??? I believe 12 miles out is international waters. A few fishermen and a shotgun, soon your staying in France. There's nowt here for you, were full up.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Here we go,


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...aches-migrants


Sovereignty issues my arse! More likely showing them up for the lazy, backsliding, conniving, cheese eating surrender monkeys that they are.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1259922]Here we go,


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...aches-migrants


Sovereignty issues my arse! More likely showing them up for the lazy, backsliding, conniving, cheese eating surrender monkeys that they are.


Don't hold back Dave just say it as it is, I just love your (verbatism), I think that i've spelt that right.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I was being diplomatic Tads, as to the word you used not sure about it but I get your drift mate. :D

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

27 migrants including five children drowned today while the French police watched them set off into the rough sea at Calais.
They drowned in French waters, some French politician has said this is a tragedy(only because they did not get here)…..and that the UK is to blame.
No mention of the traffickers…or the fact that these people have travelled through safe countries, but chose to risk their lives for the homes and benefits they might get once they landed here.

Stop giving them benefits, once they land….give them food and shelter for a night, but then onto a plane and back to where they came from.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1260038]27 migrants including five children drowned today while the French police watched them set off into the rough sea at Calais.
They drowned in French waters, some French politician has said this is a tragedy(only because they did not get here)…..and that the UK is to blame.
No mention of the traffickers…or the fact that these people have travelled through safe countries, but chose to risk their lives for the homes and benefits they might get once they landed here.

The first point is that it seems a coincidence that women and children seem to have drowned but are rarely seen arriving here. Mentioning the traffickers, just wonder what race these people are. Makes you wonder if they are Dave,s french mates as it seems hard to find them thats if they are actually trying that hard. Then these people have like you said managed to get through all these safe countries which would have taken a long time but still manage to have 3,000 plus quid on them. Does make you wonder how much these poor assylum seakers still have on them after paying there travel costs. know for a start if i sold up everything i own i would not have much left if i did it the other way round. Bet the lefties will be having a whip round for the funerals of their friends.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

On the news this morning i was listening but not watching closely. My mood went black once i heard a dinghy arriving and some bleeding heart woman asking if they were all alright. Bodily fluids boiling again.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

There was some bleeding heart liberal on TV this morning saying that these people want to come here because they speak English….that they have friends and family here….that they have people here from their home communities.
There was no mention of the fact that they had not applied to come here as refugees….so they entered the country illegally.
Neither was there a mention of homes, or health care…or benefits.
We do not need these people here…there is a chance that they can become radicalised and become a danger to us.
Also, they dilute our traditions…and in some cases expect us to give up our tradition because they do not sit well with their values.
Have you noticed too that these migrants are in the main, men.
Yes there have been a few women and children, but the majority are male.
This year something in the region of 25,000 people have landed on our shores and only five have been returned.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Sorry MH….you got in there before me….but I think we watched the same thing.
Yes, I am with you on the boiling bodily fluids…in fact I think I could centrally heat a house!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Anyone entering the country illegally is not a REFUGEE as far as im concerned, i have nothing at all against genuine refugees, but the clowns will no doubt label me racist, but i dont give a stuff what an idiot calls me at all.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

These are not refugees Cashy.
They have forked out €3000 each for a seat in an unseaworthy vessel to get across the channel…..to Eldorado England.
If they were refugees, where did they get this amount of money?
If they were true refugees then they would have stayed in the first safe country.
The real trouble is that once they are here they apply for leave to stay and this may take a long time……so how do they support themselves?
Well, the answer is they don’t….we do.
Yet we expect the elderly ( who have contributed to the fabric of society all of their lives)to sell their homes to pay for care.
No one political party is brave enough to tackle the problem……and expecting France to do a decent job of containment is a useless solution….they want them off their shores and it is even better if they come here, because they dislike us.
This dislike goes back to 1066….so it is not going to get better anytime soon.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;

Yet we expect the elderly ( who have contributed to the fabric of society all of their lives)to sell their homes to pay for care.

funny how the be kind lefty snowflakes have very little or anything to say on this issue. its obvious to me that those of that age which many of us are getting close to are not the right minority for anything.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1260089]These are not refugees Cashy.
They have forked out €3000 each for a seat in an unseaworthy vessel to get across the channel…..to Eldorado England.
If they were refugees, where did they get this amount of money?
If they were true refugees then they would have stayed in the first safe country.
The real trouble is that once they are here they apply for leave to stay and this may take a long time……so how do they support themselves?
Well, the answer is they don’t….we do.

if the boot was on the other foot i doubt we,d be lodged in their big hotels that the majority of the locals could not afford. Metropole blackpool and other 4 star accomodation. all i could ever afford even with banging in the overtime has been self catering. must have done something wrong in my lifetime.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

No,MH…you did nothing wrong….it is just that you are the wrong ethnicity.

My dear old Dad needed a new pair of glasses, but could not afford them….he went to the DSS(this is a long time ago because has has been gone 30years)….they told him that he was not eligible for help…..he said to them ‘would it make a difference if I said my name was Mohammed, not Jimmy?’
He fought for this country, but he was not eligible because my mum earned ten Bob over the threshold…they made two suggestions….contact the British Legion….or live apart from your wife.
I told him to go and get himself some glasses and I would pay for them, but he said that he had paid into the system, so he should be able to get help.
.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;

My dear old Dad needed a new pair of glasses, but could not afford them….he went to the DSS(this is a long time ago because has has been gone 30years)….they told him that he was not eligible for help…..he said to them ‘would it make a difference if I said my name was Mohammed, not Jimmy?’
He fought for this country, but he was not eligible because my mum earned ten Bob over the threshold…they made two suggestions….contact the British Legion….or live apart from your wife.
I told him to go and get himself some glasses and I would pay for them, but he said that he had paid into the system, so he should be able to get help.
.[/QUOTE]

not the first time i have heard similar types of stories and imagine many others have also done. with that why is there so much love and excuses being made for these people with as much as possible swept under the carpet when they can. those that do should try their home country and see if they will be put first in line for anything going. if the do gooding lefties wish to create bigger problems than we already have in this country just carry on how you do as you may get your wishes.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I think it was Iraq who recently sent planes to Belarus to bring back the ‘refugees’ that Alexander Lukashenko imported as political pawns……so why don’t the Syrians go back to their homelands…no conflict going in there.

Well, it might be the £40 a week spending money, the free mobile phones and the hotel accommodation that attracts these people.

After a year in this country, these people are allowed to seek employment and if the apply to stay and are refused, then the human rights lawyers(that are paid for by you and me) will appeal time after time…..and if they can extend the appeals process for twenty years, the asylum seeker can stay here forever.

Have you noticed how the majority of those coming over in these dinghies are men….young men.
Recently one of these was caught grooming what he thought was a fourteen year old girl( it was a decoy)……he had been here for only four weeks.

So why are we importing trouble by allowing these economic migrants to land here and be looked after.

Shouldn’t our elderly be looked after first?
I would not mind betting a few older folk would not mind being in four star hotel accommodation on full board for a few weeks

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Watching "Dewbs & Co." last night on GB News some liberal lefty teacher (from NI, he should know better) was going on about how the "Gimmies & Sandys" should be let into the UK in their 100's of 1000's, Dewbs pulled him up on this (Good Girl) & asked who should pay for all this as the Taxpayer is already being screwed even more as it is.


The raging liberalist loon then said he was sure the folk of UK would be more than happy to pay more to accomodate the above mentioned chancers & freeloaders, again Dewbs (I love this woman even though she's a Yorkingshireitess) called him out & said okay, but only if it was voluntary that those who wished to should be asked to contribute, she then pumped out an instant poll to run while the show was airing (about 10 minutes in).


Long & short about 50 minutes later the end of the show looming, back to the poll & the results, about 3-4,000 had replied end result 94% no way 2% don't know so those of you with a basic grasp of maths realize that leaves ...... ?



Yep 4%, basically, the bleaty, whiny, anti British, self loathing, bed wetting illiberal liberal lefterist loons (to much?). Would happily put their hands in their "very own" pockets instead of the publics for a change, to accomodate the flood of unrequired & unwanted who have been & still are swamping the UK.


So when comparing these numbers (although the viewers may be of a certain leaning) this would appear to highlight the glaring & blatant hypocracy / virtue signalling of the I,L,L,BW,AB,L sitting at about 32-35 % of the voting public they returned merely 4% when asked to actually pay for stuff themselves & not dip the pockets of everyone else! Principles. morales, equality & parity are all fine & dandy just so long as someone else is "picking up the tab" ..... about sums it up really.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

i watched that myself dave how the tv is still in 1 piece is beyond me.:mad: the bloke was a complete PRAT. it wouldnt have been but im not as daft as i used to be!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Just a quick suggestion, there's a popular T.V. show showing a soap box derby, the contestants build ridiculous little trucks and attempt to get them around an obstacle course, why not do the same with these boat people? It would be interesting watching them attempting to make the distance in an inflatable duck or on a leaky lilo and of course they could give all their proceeds to charity.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Sorry, my mistake, that programme already goes out daily, it's called THE NEWS!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;


Long & short about 50 minutes later the end of the show looming, back to the poll & the results, about 3-4,000 had replied end result 94% no way 2% don't know so those of you with a basic grasp of maths realize that leaves ...... ?



Yep 4%, basically, the bleaty, whiny, anti British, self loathing, bed wetting illiberal liberal lefterist loons (to much?). Would happily put their hands in their "very own" pockets instead of the publics for a change, to accomodate the flood of unrequired & unwanted who have been & still are swamping the UK.

so yet again the vast majority of this country are being totally ignored for the views of a small minority. Everyone should be allowed some air time but only 6 per cent of it and not like they already get. Think that figure would be got if we had a vote on the subject including send the buggers back.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I think that if there were collectors with buckets in town centres…collecting coins to return these economic migrants to the land of their birth, they would fill up pretty quickly.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Exactly, and that is the reason they won't put it to the public, the self serving, we know best politicoes were shown their arses on the "Brexit" referendum & will not be so quick to put things to the public again in a hurry.


Just imagine what other subjects a vote/referendum would be asked for, whole can of worms for the "elites" so they'll stay well away from any such option.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Anyone knows what they are doing with all them dingies and pleasure boats that come to shore. Knowing the lefties they,ll be buying em up, inflating em with their hot air and taking them back to france for a second journey.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Well its good to see HMs Govt being proactive, tag the gimmies (maybe) so they can't disappear off into the black market! Outstanding, why hasn't this stupendous idea been thought of before?

Oh hang on, yeah, it has, but that was for our own crims & perps. I seem to recall that worked out right good for the plod & other criminal supervision agencies didn't it? And of course, we can be sure Johnny foreigner who has used several illegal means in his endeavours to get to UK will merrily agree to this? And as we used to say in simpler bygone times "Play the white man."

I somehow have my doubts, but hey, what do I know?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...ome-office-ont

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Play the white man?

It's time you 'woke up'!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I did mate ...... & it was horrible, so crawled off back to me scratcher to continue the dream of happier less snowflakey days! :D

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Ah, those bygone days when you could call a spade a spade.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Aye, something along those lines.


Meanwhile, off on a tangent here, it seems we 2 appear to be some sort of sad, lonely individuals with nothing better to do on a Christmas eve, than sup Ale & spirits & haunt these pages, for others to tut & tsk over come the morrow .....


Seems we all have our crosses to bear. ;)


Cheers, my compatriot in Alcoholic influence. :D

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Welcome to my world, may it bring you all the rewards you have strived for, by the way, what’s your name again?

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Erm ..... ask me again tomorrow, preferably some time late on! ;)

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Well Erm it’s nice to meet you, do you know, you remind me of someone…

No, my mistake, the guy I’m thinking of is a fine upstanding member of AccyWeb, you must be someone else.
Have you ever had leanings towards normality?

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

On the odd ocassion of lucidity, I must admit to giving it a bash, didn't really like it & if I'm honest wasn't to keen on it either. I'll take my little fantasy world & copious amounts of alcohol over that all day long, every day, it is a far happier & welcoming place.


Imagine Disneyland (the original not the frogling one) with real Ale, Snow white, Red riding hood & in the name of equality & inclusivity Mini mouse on inline skates & "Hooters uniforms" waiting tables. Eating what you want, when you want, wth no looks of disgust or contempt & everyone "Having a nice day!". The 7 Dwarfs being just that, not 7 individuals with a vertical deficit. And dear old "Cinders", having two proper plug ugly sisters & not some unfortunately appearance challenged siblings.


Yeah! Reality take a hike! The more I think about it, the more I like my world ;)

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Whoa, nearly forgot the "Fairy Godmother", some plump, bemused, somewhat vapid owd dear with a "Magic wand" granting wishes & filling your hearts desire. Not as the modern equalitarians would have us believe, a resident & skulker of public toilets on clapham common waving his dubious "magic wand" at all & sundry & the promise of fullfilling certain questionable desires!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

too cold for that round here. was warned never to go to the pictures on my own unless you were really despirate.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

a christmas message to all our politicians. send the buggers back.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Reckon the "Wand" would be a shrivelldy, stumpy stick in that case, still, best well avioded, or if unavoidable a swift boot to said stick & accompanying hanging fruits, would I believe remedy the situation somewhat sharpishly. :D

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

It seems that another boat load landed last night….with a baby girl in their midst.
Doesn’t that just make Christmas complete…oh yes and the fact that those who perished in the makeshift blow up carrier bag are going to sue the BRITS and the French coastguard for
Not managing to save lives.

Hang on, whoa…Didn’t they drown in French waters.
Can you just imagine how the French would react if a coastguard trespassed their waters?
It would have been considered an act of aggression rather than a life saving mission….and by the time the Brits got to the scene, well…it would have been too late.

Hope the European judges throw this out…and the legal team that brought it too.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I belive they did, that being the case it shoul be the french rescue services on trial & I'm pretty sure these people were also seen off by the lazy, backsliding Grenouille Gendarmerie on the beaches, so they to are culpable in this.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I still do sod em.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I'm a bit of a frog basher, but not this time, the people responsible are the ones that supplied the craft and took the money and they shouldn't be sued they should be put against a wall and shot.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

i said that on facebook and am banned for 1 month plus more threats from them if i am naughty again.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I can agree with most of that especially the shooting part, but the frogs due to their very nature & attitude should be held to book on all & every ocassion.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Ooh, it's the "Step" for you sunshine! :D

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Whoa it's Christmas I'm trying to be nice for once but I did say:-
Open season shall resume at midnight tonight.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Probably worse they may well do a Donald Trump on me, i think they have done me for 1 month about 5 times now lol

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Sorry mate, no slack for the froglings regardless what time of year it is. :D

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

At least they celebrate Christmas unlike the dinghy buoys.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

You're kiddin' right? Every time one of those "Gimmies" gets picked up by border farce & the royal national lift service, get brought back to UK it most certainly is Christmas for them, plus their Birthday chucked in too for good measure!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

would not surprise me one bit if some of the lefties were down on the beach with christmas goodies for them with their welcome to britain.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

someone should strike a medal for you and others who have been banned. a medal for common sense and reason.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

have any of these been caught yet. they do not seem to be having much success in catching these people but i suppose its the effort being put in may be minimal. if the dinghy boys were going back to france i for one would give the trafficors an alibi.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

They do not want to catch them. They want to send them here.They want to help these economic migrants to get here….to overwhelm services….to come and drain our welfare system.
We pay them £54 million to stop these people….but they are taking this money and doing ****** all.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

honestly i cannot blame the french one bit. just wish the boot was on the other foot and we were sending them back there. mind you hell would freeze over before that happened with some of our own barracading the beaches. this country is just a joke.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I agree, but unfortunately when we got Brexit, BoJo & his lackeys didn't consider the small print properly & took us out of the "Dublin agreement". Admittedly they didn't really apply it over much while we were signed up to it, but at least it was something, now though we've got squatt!

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Come on Son, the Dublin agreement was not observed and since then we have paid for the French to keep these economic migrants out.
If France really wanted to address the issues they would seek to stop the traffickers.
But really….if you can sit on your French nick and get £54 million and do nothing, then you would.
There was talk that the UK would seek a rebate…but the French just gave a Gallic shrug and
said ‘fromage dur’….the money was spent.
If I shook hand with a Frenchman I would count my fingers afterwards….and check my wedding ring was still there.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I know & did mention it, but it wasn't just about us sending them back (which we didn't), the Grenouilles let them in & through to camp on the french coast (waiting for a dinghy). Instead they should have been turning them back at their own external borders especially those with Spain, Italy, Belgium & Germany where most of the "Gimmies & Sandies" came through.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

that would have taken sense and Macrons Lot lack it.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

would love to know the true figues, and not the BBC ones, of how many of these people have left various countries and have settled in other european countries. might make the subject even more interesting.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

The French could easily stop it at the points of entry into france,by not letting them enter, unless genuine migrants, wonder why they have NOT?

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Cashy..post 62 tells you why.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

aye but it dont tell yeh the reason does it? they are mad as hell at us cos we voted BREXIT.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

It is partly that, but long before that, the French were taking the money….and doing bu88er all to get a handle on the issue.
These people who are being trafficked should never get as far as Calais.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

agree they should not, but all the CLOWNS aint in the circus that piece of crap MACRON is one.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

My personal view is that the frogs couldn't be bothered with the paperwork & hassle involved finding out who, where or why these people have come to france & then the rigmarole of shipping them back. Far easier to ask if they intend to stay in frogland & when the "gimmies" say no they want to go to UK, the frog border plod point out the direction to go & wish them "Bonjour et Bon voyage!".

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

Son….Nail, Head, Hit.
If they can steal money for doing nothing…then it is we who are the fools for letting them get away with it….and if we are looking for culprits to blame then we can look at some pretty useless Home Secretaries….who did not want to dirty their hands with this stuff …..either that or they did not have the cojones to deal effectively with the issue.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

they did not deal with it to cause themselves work imho probably had the cojones but didnt want the crap that comes with it. imho.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

makes me wonder though who was the last home secretary who was tough on immegration and other topics that the public at large wants. words like being tough on crime usually end up with longer suspended sentances if they are caught anyway especially if you are a mother with kids.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

I cannot think of a particularly tough Home Secretary.
I can think of some who were as useful as a knitted condom….
Jack Straw was one of these…..Jacqui Smith was another….and of course Theresa May.
But finding a good one….they must be as rare as hens teeth.

Re: Migrants...and their crisis....
 

at least in the 18th century they did not hold the job down long.