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entwisi 11-01-2005 11:22

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You think they would have removed this now don't you.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...ty_Wardens.htm


I bet all those people who lost their jobs on Xmas eve feel just wonderful.

Acrylic-bob 11-01-2005 11:35

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This is the bit that really made me howl...

Your Wardens

You will soon become familiar with the Wardens operating in your local area who are working to improve the quality of life for you. If you require further information about the Warden Scheme or would like to enquire about becoming a Warden, please contact-

Wez 11-01-2005 11:41

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That sucks more than a bangkhok ladyboy..

Acrylic-bob 11-01-2005 11:48

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If you really must use such graphic metaphors please get the spelling right. It's Bangkok, not bangkhok.

Wez 11-01-2005 12:06

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Thankyou learning me correct way spell, but why? Does it actually matter? I'm sorry for the colourful depiction and I'll gladly endeavour to be more considerate of using such illustrious observations henceforth, there's no reason to point out my poor grammar though :(

Acrylic-bob 11-01-2005 12:24

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You may have been taught at school that correct spelling does not matter, I understand that this is currently the fashionable position taken by a growing number of teachers of English.
But correct spelling does matter, for the simple reason that it ensures that your reader does not misunderstand your meaning, if for no other. There are plenty of people out there who will happily misunderstand what you write, given the opportunity. This is how flame-wars and libel cases start. It is better not to give them the opportunity in the first place, don't you think?:)

Wez 11-01-2005 12:37

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I concur.

My qualms were with those petty enough to point out insignifficant mistakes to achieve little more than ridicule the original ink slinger and highlight his folly..

..And I had to think about it! Now THAT is uncalled for!

Acrylic-bob 11-01-2005 12:41

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When I was at school we were always told to "think before you ink".

mez 11-01-2005 13:31

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my grandaughter who lives with me has learning difficulties, one of her main problems is her spelling, as she is a member on this site all she does is go into the arcade, because she is 17yrs old & embarrassed bout her difficulties. if it was the texting language i too would ask them to spell correctly, but in some circumstances it may not apply, we cannot all be perfect spellers.

Wez 11-01-2005 13:42

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Exactly my point Mez, I'm sure she'd feel a lot more confident if people didn't jump at the chance to point out someone's flaws..


But with that said I did ask for it earlier.

janet 11-01-2005 13:47

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Do spelling mistakes really matter,as long as you can follow what is being written there is no real problem.Not everyone excells in english.

WillowTheWhisp 11-01-2005 13:50

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Back to the plot - do you suppose HBC will ever be able to follow their own? (Plot that is.)

Wez 11-01-2005 14:08

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Highly doubtful Willow, I'm amazed that they actually get anything done.

Acrylic-bob 11-01-2005 14:25

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The "Go Advanced" option next to the "Quick Reply" button gives you the opportunity to use a spellchecker before you post.

However, returning to the matter in hand, it does not surprise me that HBC have not amended their website to take account of the Warden's change in status. They always seem to me to have had a "Make it up as you go along" attitude to local government.

But I do think that it is a bit rich of "Barking" Britcliffe to try to shift the blame for this woeful state of affairs onto the partners. He is pursuing the same policy with the Council Tax rise, though this time he is pointing the finger at Lancs CC and the government. How typical, take all the credit but none of the responsibility.

park381 18-01-2005 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
You think they would have removed this now don't you.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...ty_Wardens.htm


I bet all those people who lost their jobs on Xmas eve feel just wonderful.

:rofl38: Check this one out (link taken today)
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...aldtwistle.asp

Including the poster for the next meeting :o Looks like the site is "past its sell by date"

WillowTheWhisp 18-01-2005 19:52

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You'd think that someone could at least find time to update the thing wouldn't you?:rolleyes:

vorlon24 18-01-2005 22:16

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Budgets, Willow, budgets!

WillowTheWhisp 19-01-2005 14:09

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Oh yes I forgot how strapped for cash the council is.

park381 19-01-2005 14:14

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Oh yes I forgot how strapped for cash the council is.

Thought they had a Webmaster, he/she must be busy, happen helpin binmen out :D

Job sharin :D

vorlon24 19-01-2005 14:24

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Stand by yer beds for the new Council Tax bills!

park381 19-01-2005 15:16

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On that subject, why not read "Our Leaders Column" :rofl38:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...ers_Column.pdf

Looks like most of the CT goes on "Cleaning & Parks maintenance" an payin off debts :worthy:

simon 19-01-2005 15:26

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Thanks Parc381, I notice one of the comments that show his ability at decision making...

If he raised taxes his "Life would be hell and would not be able to enjoy a pint in his local"

A man in his position who is influenced by his pals in the pub is CRIMINAL....:(

park381 19-01-2005 15:32

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I wonder if all the Cllrs will offer to take a "CUT" in their expenses in order to keep CT increases down :wave8:

WillowTheWhisp 19-01-2005 21:27

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How is selling off our assetts going to enable the council to invest £2million in Hyndburn every year? Once things have been sold that's the end of them - it isn't renewable income. Or hasn't he realised that?

park381 19-01-2005 22:03

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
How is selling off our assetts going to enable the council to invest £2million in Hyndburn every year? Once things have been sold that's the end of them - it isn't renewable income. Or hasn't he realised that?

That is so, but if selling off the assets clears the books, then would not any future CT be available to spend on Hyndburn, and not to pay off debt from days gone past :rolleyz8:

WillowTheWhisp 19-01-2005 22:10

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I see your point but with the current track record I can't imagine them not getting into debt again and having nothingl eft to sell off.

park381 19-01-2005 22:16

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
I see your point but with the current track record I can't imagine them not getting into debt again and having nothingl eft to sell off.

True, but i think the debt is of old, from when HBC was first formed, please correct me if I am wrong

entwisi 20-01-2005 05:01

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Aah but remember if we do sell off the town hall etc then we would have to rent it back again. Times by the next 100 years.........

Acrylic-bob 20-01-2005 06:11

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The sale of Council, and thus Public, assets is a complex issue. If you will recall the reports in the Observer some weeks back, it was stated that The Market Hall would be offered on a 125 year lease. This would mean that the lease could be either bought outright - big bucks now, or could be paid for yearly - little bucks once a year.

The Town Hall is already in the hands of a charity. I am not sure what the arrangement is there but I would imagine that it is a way round the borrowing restrictions placed on councils by the government.

I remember, years ago, I used to live in Islington in North London, then one of the looniest of the loony left boroughs. As a result of the cap on borrowing, intended by the tory government to rein in the spending of local councils, Islington under Margaret Hodge found itself with massive debts and resorted to "lease-back" as a way of raising cash to fund it's trendy excesses. The Town Hall was sold to a merchant bank in the city from whom it was rented by the council. The agreement was for a fixed term, five or ten years, I can't remember which, at the end of which the council agreed to buy back the building at the market rate. The assumption was that an incoming Labour government would help out with the buy back. John Major's election success came as a bitter disappointment to the council. When the Blair Government eventually came to office it was at some pains to point out that it had no intention of helping the loony left councils with public money. What the situation in Islington is now I do not know, but I imagine that their debt is somewhere in the stratosphere by now.

In this light, one wonders how much of the £60 Million debt that HBC has been able to rack up is down to the policies of the previous labour administration, under George Slynn, and their attempts to get around rate capping?

WillowTheWhisp 20-01-2005 06:49

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Funny you should mention George Slynn A-b. I was only talking to Busman last night about him. I assume the debt has accumulated and snowballed over the years rather than occurred all at once when HBC was first formed.

At least Peter Britcliffe assures us that he has not sold the Town Hall to Witherspoons. (sp?)

Acrylic-bob 20-01-2005 07:17

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After an hours hard searching I finally found the figure for Islington's Debt. At 31st March 2003 it stood at £718,900,000. Nice!

On a totally different tack, while I was searching I think I may also have discovered the source of some of the excesses of political correctness.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/garbagega...ive3/loony.htm

park381 20-01-2005 08:03

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
After an hours hard searching I finally found the figure for Islington's Debt. At 31st March 2003 it stood at £718,900,000. Nice!

On a totally different tack, while I was searching I think I may also have discovered the source of some of the excesses of political correctness.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/garbagega...ive3/loony.htm

Nice one :hehetable

WillowTheWhisp 20-01-2005 15:57

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Some other councils make ours look positively intelligent.

park381 20-01-2005 16:55

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Some other councils make ours look positively intelligent.

Must say after reading that link from A-B, I must agree..........but that can't be true can it? HBC positively intelligent (you're being kind)

removal-man 20-01-2005 18:53

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
You may have been taught at school that correct spelling does not matter, I understand that this is currently the fashionable position taken by a growing number of teachers of English.
But correct spelling does matter, for the simple reason that it ensures that your reader does not misunderstand your meaning, if for no other. There are plenty of people out there who will happily misunderstand what you write, given the opportunity. This is how flame-wars and libel cases start. It is better not to give them the opportunity in the first place, don't you think?:)

i agwee 1 huded rer went. wel sed.

park381 20-01-2005 19:02

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Originally Posted by removal-man
i agwee 1 huded rer went. wel sed.

On the question of spelling, sometimes a person replies to a post in a hurry, may be the fingers on the keyboard are a little bit quicker than the old grey matter, result a few spelling mistakes, also not always possible to use spell checker. :Peace:

park381 20-01-2005 19:03

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Is this not a little off topic :signntme:

WillowTheWhisp 20-01-2005 21:26

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Originally Posted by park381
Is this not a little off topic :signntme:

No, I think it's totally off topic from the thread wander:D

Unless of course we consider councils to appear less impressive when they are unable to spell correctly. Speed in a message board post is one thing (I'm always getting my fingers in a twist) but when something is produced for publication and contains glaring errors which can lead to misinterpretation one wonders why on earth they didn't employ a proof reader.

park381 20-01-2005 21:41

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
No, I think it's totally off topic from the thread wander:D

Unless of course we consider councils to appear less impressive when they are unable to spell correctly. Speed in a message board post is one thing (I'm always getting my fingers in a twist) but when something is produced for publication and contains glaring errors which can lead to misinterpretation one wonders why on earth they didn't employ a proof reader.

Still off topic.....but can you provide evidence of this, or is this just a general observation

WillowTheWhisp 20-01-2005 21:52

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Mis-spelling in an official publication puts me off and I know it has the same effect on friends and aquaintances. The impression it gives is that they can't be bothered or don't care......so that leaves me wondering if they have the same attitude towards everything.

Of course when it leads to misinterpretation that's when real problems can arise. If what they say isn't actually what they mean it can lead to false expectations.

I once had some simple examples of how punctuation errors can alter the whole meaning of a sentence or paragraph. A bit like the grammatical structure effect in adverts like:

"Mahogany dining room table for sale by elderly lady with nicely carved wooden legs."

park381 20-01-2005 22:05

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Good example, I have one of those. It's for sale, and it's cheap.

removal-man 20-01-2005 22:33

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:) i like nicely carved legs

Acrylic-bob 21-01-2005 06:35

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To return to the discussion, what happened to George Slynn? I have a dim recollection that he was at one point facing an investigation and a possible surcharge. Did anything happen or did the odious creature weasel his way out of it?

Acrylic-bob 21-01-2005 06:40

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Aaaargh! I can't believe this. I have just done a quick Google on George Slynn and I have discovered that he is a County Councilor now, for Great Harwood. How can anyone in their right mind vote for someone like that?

park381 21-01-2005 08:07

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Looks like he's moved on to bigger, and better things. Oh to be drawn by the corridors of power, sit on all those committees, and shape the lives of all those local people.

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/council...ails.asp?id=97

Acrylic-bob 21-01-2005 12:01

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Bigger and better allowances more like.

park381 21-01-2005 15:20

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
Bigger and better allowances more like.

Oh dear, and I was being kind, thought he was such a public spirited person :bleedht:


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