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what should we do with them? :p

im only asking because this is what happened today ...

me and the spugster .... yes he was down and went back home today .. well when we came down to the train station turned out his train was cancelled and not another one for an hour .. lack of train drivers due to covid .. so went and sorted his train ticket out .. and then went to tesco cafe for a brew to while away the hour .. anyway we got a brew and butty .. and 2 school/college girls sat down in the cafe started charging their phones up and talking a bit loudly .. they didnt buy anything .. the tesco staff asked them to leave politely .. they said why cant we sit here and charge our phones up its cold outside and our train isnt till 5past 3 ... they asked again politely and got its cold outside im not leaving here till my train comes at 5 past 3 ... she got the security guard .. and he got the same back .. it ended up the store manager came down .. he asked politely and got the same back .. and he rang the police .. as we were on the train station waiting for his train to go back home .. they didnt make that 3.05 pm train ... while we were waiting for the train ..we saw a police car pull up .. but why didnt they just buy a brew they didnt need to drink it .. they could have just left it .. but one of the cafe staff said this is going on all the time in tesco ... mainly at night but during the day sometimes when kids are on holidays ..

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Perhaps they had no money, think I would have just bought them a brew as long as they weren’t cheeky brats and told them to pay it forward one day.

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Shurm that is a really nice idea.

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Shurm that was an extremely kind thought of yours but there are different ways to look at this. If it is happening on a regular basis at that café as it appears is the case, and depending on how the ones making use of this free service act, for instance if they are cheeky, if they are annoying other customers, if they are acting disrespectfully, then I can understand management’s frustrations. After all it is a business relying on paying customers, customers who need to feel comfortable in their surroundings.

That’s not to say that these two girls were acting that way though it sounds like they were from their attitude. Maybe they could not understand why they shouldn’t be allowed to use that facility to charge their phones as in their opinion they were not doing any harm. However, it does sound like they did not have respect for authority in this instance. If they had they would have left when asked. Perhaps if the teenagers had politely asked permission in the first place it might have produced a different scenario instead of them assuming they could do as they pleased.

When politely asked to leave in the first place perhaps negotiations could have taken place to the satisfaction of all concerned instead of arguing about it. After all, that place of business does not belong to them and they were exceeding their rights when refusing to leave.

Unfortunately it is the teenagers who act in this way that are noticed and get talked about, while the ones who are respectful and caring go unnoticed.

Bringing in the police might have been a bit heavy-handed but the manager’s patience had been well and truly tested by then.

Shurm you could be right in assuming these two might not have had any money, but I bet they had the latest in phones….

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Dorothy, you are right about them having the latest tech.
And I feel that much of what you say is true. A lot of teens seem to have a sense of entitlement….and to be honest they did not care much about the business being lost by the cafe…they were only interested in their own comfort….but I also think that the staff could perhaps have handled it better too.
Calling the Police…heck you can be burgled and it takes four days for a visit from the police for a crime number so you can claim on your insurance.

I am betting come Saturday night these two young lasses would be out in the teeth of a gale with short skirts, a bare midriff and no coat…..and they would not be bleating about being cold.

I will away now and get a new prescription for my anti-cynical meds.

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The following is speculation & supposition because, I wasn't there.
Whose fault was it that these 'teenagers' were in the position of having to seek refuge in the café? It wasn't theirs, the train had been cancelled because of Covid (yeah, right, sounds much better than the driver didn't turn up for his shift because of a massive hangover). Perhaps their parents had taught them don't hang around the stations there are pervs and deviants ready to take advantage go somewhere where there is a crowd so that you are safe, so off they trot to the café, having had a grand day out in Accrington the girls had spent up buying souvenirs of the place and hadn't foreseen the extra expense of buying a brew but never mind at least they will be safe.

If they don't know that particular café has problems with people hanging about (perhaps there is an epidemic of cancelled trains?) they may have been surprised by the waitresses attitude and taken it as a personal insult after all they were only seeking refuge. Maybe either or both parties could have handled the situation with a bit more care?

Maybe we should go back to 'Ladies only' waiting rooms on stations if the P.C. and equality brigade will allow?

As for the latest tech, most teenagers have the hand me downs from their parents and older siblings (had their 'phones been the latest tech the batteries are much more efficient and would have lasted the day) though I don't see anything wrong with any teenager having the latest tech if they or their parents can afford it.

As I have already said I wasn't there so I hope the waitress gets over her traumatic experience of dealing with teenagers and I hope the teenagers got home safely, I wonder, will they return for another adventure in our wonderfully hospitable little town?



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Typical! teenagers invading our space and not buying drinks.

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think our parents could have said the same things about us when we were in our teens. really they are still only kids, but like us they thought they knew it all at that age.

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Well Less….I don’t know any teens who are happy to have their parents or older siblings tech cast offs….but of course there must be some.
And teens frequently forget to charge up their devices…..I have bern out with my daughters two and they have both run out of charge……asked for my charging cable to re-charge on the bus.

You are right Less..it is all conjecture and supposition and we will never really know as I can’t imagine either of these girls come on the forum.

It could though, have been managed better by the staff of the cafe.
However, hindsight is 20/20.

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Oop's I'll try again later!:D

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Give them a damn good thrashing to within an inch of their miserable lives, then lock 'em away in a "School" for further thrashings, education & the teaching of manners only to be released when they're 21, got a job & know their place on the social scale .......

Or is that a bit much? :D

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Les, while I agree it might have been that those teens needed shelter, a safe place, and so on, there was absolutely no excuse for their attitude. Maybe a request, politely asked, that they be allowed to sit there for a short time might have been a better way of doing things.

Like you I wasn’t there but the author of this thread was and I am sure you will agree that we can believe the scenario happened in the way that she said. A very reliable and truthful eye-witness.

From the manager’s side of things, if it is true that it happens often then I am sure most of us would get frustrated if it was our livelihood that was being affected.. How to handle it is another matter.

Yes, MH, we did our fair share of letting off steam but we were taught good manners and respect, and boy! were we in trouble if we didn’t abide by these. There is no excuse for rudeness and deliberate cheek…..

….though Dave, your suggestions might be a little bit too much.

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I believe that she, as would any of we the members of the old farts brigade heard what she expected to hear, teenagers grunting, for some reason kids from the moment they can talk until their 13th birthday always spoke in a manner we could understand, suddenly though, after passing this milestone they revert to Neanderthal speak (I have seen this happen with both my children AND my grand children, the only time we can understand them is when they ask for a fiver(and we're lucky these days if it's only a fiver!)).

Of course, we didn't go through this did we? We were perfect little adults.

Please note, I have been suffering quite a bit from tongue in cheek syndrome brought on by threads that my condition considers do not require
any serious thought, because ****e happens .

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or actually allow em to leave school earlier once they reach a certain educational standard. present woke schooling is possibly doing many more harm than good and they,ll only learn once they get into the big real world of work not woke.

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We all’ ow that ***** happens…..and maybe you consider it needs no serious thought…..so maybe if that is the case a comment is also superfluous…..but only you can decide that I guess.

I do not want to be seen to be discouraging posts….we need all we can get….and something light hearted in this bleak world would be more than welcome.

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Less, I am very impressed with your apparent tolerance and understanding, though a person’s age is no excuse for them to show disrespect in any form, whether they are teenagers, adults, or those of us who are in our dotage. No excuse.

However, I am surprised that you apparently only hear grunts when teenagers speak as I find them to be very articulate, especially in public places.

I am sure you will happily practice this tolerance should you yourself ever be ‘cheeked’ or grunted at in a disrespectful manner - and yes, I still believe in the Easter bunny.

(By the way, I too am a member of the tongue-in-cheek club in case you haven’t guessed, though sometimes we could be referred to as sarcastic b*******, no disrespect intended).

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1265337]Give them a damn good thrashing to within an inch of their miserable lives, then lock 'em away in a "School" for further thrashings, education & the teaching of manners only to be released when they're 21, got a job & know their place on the social scale .......

Or is that a bit much?

No it isn't, I would add, bring back conscription on leaving school at 16 until becoming of voting age at 18 where they would then be (supposidly), an adult ;);)

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[QUOTE=taddy;

No it isn't, I would add, bring back conscription on leaving school at 16 until becoming of voting age at 18 where they would then be (supposidly), an adult ;);)[/QUOTE]

no thanyou. the best news i ever heard in my early teens was the end of conscription. something i was completely dreading. imagine there would be more of a totally unsuitable personality for forces life like i was nowadays no matter what age they went in. Getting back to old schooldays discipline and learning whats really important would be far more of an advantage. Then convert many of these universities into flats would also help with less pointless courses to keep kids away from work for a few more years. Good old tony blair. Most of our present problems can be traced back to that individual and we are still reaping the harvest he first planted.

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Our armed forces are made up of volunteers, lets keep it that way.

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Yes, I think you are right Less.
Why should the armed forces be the disciplinarians to unruly (and sometimes) thuggish teens…and yes I know this is a huge generalisation. But from my experience it is the exception that tests the rule here.


When I am out and about on my jaunts on public transport….it is sometimes my misfortune to be on buses filled with a rabble of children in school uniforms and their language is the ripest sort….full of expletives that were usually the domain of dockers or something you might hear in the tap rooms of old(only know from what I have been told…never having been in a tap room)….and the girls are sometimes worse than the boys…..because they tend to be louder and more raucous.

I do try to avoid the times that I might run into these groups, but schools seem to have staggered starting and finishing times these days.

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I could make just one exception to this, all men over the age of 74 to serve in dad's army.
:D

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[QUOTE=Less;1265348]Our armed forces are made up of volunteers, lets keep it that way.

You are Quite right Less, our lad left school at 16 and signed up for the Junior Leaders Regiment Royal Armoured Corps, he served with distinction in the First Royal Tank Regiment, he loved it, when one of his mates asked, "how do you put up with the discipline" his answer was "if you have had reasonable discipline before you join any of the British Forces than you will not find it a problem", on hearing him say this the back of my eye lids came over all moist. the lad is 53 now and what he learnt in the forces has stood him in good stead for life. My comment was more tongue in cheek than a serious statement. As for all men over 74 joining the home guard, I just qualify, Bring it on.

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Yes, we know you do, I'm just frightened that in four years time I will also keep telling folk my age.

Ooops, what a giveaway, obviously using maths, folk can tell how old I am! I've already fallen into the trap!
:eek:

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Yes, Margaret, I have seen the same thing on public transport. Schoolbags dropped in the aisle, students sprawled on seats, feet on seats, loud voices, and no getting up for older people.

What I find really unfortunate about this scenario is that they might be in the minority but they are loud and are the ones who are noticed and are frowned upon by adults, while the respectful and polite students, who are a credit to their upbringing and to their school, sit quietly and mind their own business, they go unnoticed.

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[QUOTE=Less;1265355]Yes, we know you do, I'm just frightened that in four years time I will also keep telling folk my age.

Ooops, what a giveaway, obviously using maths, folk can tell how old I am! I've already fallen into the trap!

Less, it's not a problem, simply do as I do when some one asks me how old I am and this includes Doctors, Nurses,etc I simply say that I am seventy five on the outside but still a teenager on the inside.
Same when I have to fill in one of these "Official", N.H.S, or Government Forms where they ask for your ethnicity,(think thats spelt right), where it asks how do you define yourself; Black British,White British, French, German, etc, I always answer I am Anglo Saxon with a dash of Viking. I still have the Tony Hancock LP, "The Blood Donor", where that phrase originated.
Stay Happy, Your's the oldest teenager in Hunnicot, (The villages original Saxon name.

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Taddy, I just watched Tony Hancock’s 'The Blood Donor' on You Tube. Thank you for mentioning this. A bit of good old-fashioned humour. Very funny and not one expletive uttered.

As for age, always keep that youthful spirit.

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Think for a lot of them on the school bus its more of a gang mentality. Once away from the gang numbers they are possibly decent kids. No one, especially teenage lads want to be or thought of as the odd man out. Had years of driving school buses or loading them at schools. Never found any difference in them from the late 60,s till i packed it up in 2003. There is no difference either in their language and general behaviour if they are from rough housing estates or areas with a couple or more new cars at their adresses.

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I,d be exempt not because of a reserved occupation but i,m unvaxed.

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Does two or three of these children constitute a gang MH?
Because last week I was on the bus at 3 pm coming back from Burnley.
Two girls and one young boy ( might have been 12) got on in Padiham.
The Language that came from these children was filthy.
When they were getting off at Latham I asked one of the girls if she kissed her mother with that dirty mouth…..she was gob struck….I don’t think she had ever been checked over her bad language before.

That is where we fail our children….they think it is big and clever, but it is neither and just shows a poor grasp of vocabulary.

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once there is more than one kid it always seems to be a gang with all the noise they make. as more and more join em as back ups the behaviour, noise and language gets worse. the problem could be is that they are repeating something that they hear every day at home from mothers as well as fathers. know my old man swore like a trouper at work with every other word starting in F or C but never heard it once at home even when he lost his regular rag.

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I think you are right MH…..and I think that is why they think it is alright to use this bad language around other members of the public.
It is not alright with me…..I absolutely hate this kind of language….especially when it comes from the mouths of children.
My husband tells me that it is the way of the world….but it is only that because more of us do not speak up and tell the people who are being offensive that it IS offensive.

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Think many are more bothered or offended by words used to describe this or that minority from 60 year old films and tele programmes rather than present day actions. Even bosses asking you to call them janet or jim never sat right with me. Suppose calling someone mr. or mrs. opens up another minefield though.

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What if Janet wants you to call it Jim or Jim wishes to be known as Prudence?

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Now Less….that is a can of worms.
I am not sure I want to open it up……we will never get them back in there you know.

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quickly find another job.