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WillowTheWhisp 16-01-2005 15:32
New role for bin men
 
In rural areas of North Staffordshire bin men are due to be trained in the operation of defibrillators in case during the course of their bin emptying duties they come across someone suffering from a heart attack.

All I can say is good job it's not Accy bin men or it may be a fortnight later before they actually get round to doing the defibrillating.

janet 16-01-2005 15:35
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So willow, will the refuse collector's have a defibrillator on board of the wagon.If so i do hope they wash there hands before using it.

Less 16-01-2005 16:00
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Originally Posted by janet
So willow, will the refuse collector's have a defibrillator on board of the wagon.If so i do hope they wash there hands before using it.
Yes they will but you can only put the patient out after 7.00 a.m. on a tuesday morning, if they aren't in a white operating gown they will be ignored until the undertaker comes to take them!

WillowTheWhisp 16-01-2005 16:04
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Which will probably be a fortnight later despite repeated daily promises to be round there immediately and without fail.

janet 16-01-2005 16:07
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Good one Less.:rofl38:

fireman 16-01-2005 16:58
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instead of the dustbin men why not all emergency vehicles ie. police cars fire engines and all ambulances not just the front line ones there would be more of these around than the odd dustbin wagon and most of the personel on board would be trained first aiders anyway.

pendy 16-01-2005 18:01
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Good idea, sort of, but be fair, it will have to be after 7:30 Less, even if they don't come until gone 10 - and once a fortnight seems a bit slow on treating cardiac arrest.

On a serious note, I do believe that every child should be taught in school how to do cardiac massage and mouth to mouth resus - it has probably saved more lives than defibrillators have.

fireman 16-01-2005 18:32
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i agree totally but you ask for extras in schools now, and unfortunately in most other things and someone wants extra for doing it
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Originally Posted by pendy
Good idea, sort of, but be fair, it will have to be after 7:30 Less, even if they don't come until gone 10 - and once a fortnight seems a bit slow on treating cardiac arrest.

On a serious note, I do believe that every child should be taught in school how to do cardiac massage and mouth to mouth resus - it has probably saved more lives than defibrillators have.

Margaret Pilkington 16-01-2005 19:24
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Now this is one idea I think should be flushed down the gurgler....... they have a hard time picking up the rubbish as it is......don't give them something they would have to think about.

fireman 16-01-2005 19:35
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your probably right although we better not tar them all with the same brush eh !
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
Now this is one idea I think should be flushed down the gurgler....... they have a hard time picking up the rubbish as it is......don't give them something they would have to think about.

lettie 16-01-2005 21:05
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I would hate to see someone who had been on the receiving end of a refuse collector operated defib. If Accy is anything to go by they would be bound to make more mess than they assist with. Not only will we have paper, tins and plastic bottles blowing all over the borough, but we will also have to contend with the ripped clothing of the defib victims.:D For anyone who is interested, there is an emergency defib at Asda. The heart start people have planted these defibs in strategic points all over Lancs

WillowTheWhisp 16-01-2005 21:09
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Does that mean there are members of the Asda staff specially trained to use it?

fireman 16-01-2005 21:12
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thats nice to know that asda are taking part , why does'nt 1 shop every 200 yards display a sign "DEFIB IN HERE WITH TRAINED PERSONNEL" ihave been on the reveiving end of 2 heart attacks and attend heartbeat in preston where they work constantly to rehabilitate heart patients and educate potential patients come on everybody on accyweb lets make accy the safest place to have a heart attack.
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Originally Posted by lettie
I would hate to see someone who had been on the receiving end of a refuse collector operated defib. If Accy is anything to go by they would be bound to make more mess than they assist with. Not only will we have paper, tins and plastic bottles blowing all over the borough, but we will also have to contend with the ripped clothing of the defib victims.:D For anyone who is interested, there is an emergency defib at Asda. The heart start people have planted these defibs in strategic points all over Lancs

fireman 16-01-2005 21:13
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hope its not the geengrocery staff
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Does that mean there are members of the Asda staff specially trained to use it?

Busman747 16-01-2005 21:20
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I wonder if the dust carts will have dual flashing lights? Yellow and blue;) ...and maybe "gofast" stripes down the sides? :D

lettie 16-01-2005 21:23
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I'm not sure if some of the Asda staff can use it, I would assume so, but I can check with Stuart our resuscitation trainer for East Lancs Trust. I know that there are emergency on call defib operators who can be there within a couple of minutes. Some of the GP's train for this role. The last time I enquired (about a year ago) Lancs had quite a good record for speed of attendance, but as Pendy said you cannot beat somebody who is trained properly in CPR. A defib will not resuscitate everyone, the heart has to be in a shockable rhythm. The typical flatline that you see on programmes such as ER will not shock (like it does on the telly,) only certain heart rhythm patterns will shock, and if yours isn't one of them and nobody knows CPR then it's hard luck.:idunno:

fireman 16-01-2005 21:24
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can you imagine the local dust cart with blues and twos jumping the lights in town to get to some poor ****** whose had a heart attack, they would probably cause several more.
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Originally Posted by Busman747
I wonder if the dust carts will have dual flashing lights? Yellow and blue;) ...and maybe "gofast" stripes down the sides? :D

fireman 16-01-2005 21:27
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i agree totally lettie and lets face it a defib in the wrong hands can do more harm than good education and training are more important

Acrylic-bob 17-01-2005 07:33
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This has to be a joke. I cannot believe that anyone in their right mind would ever considering letting Bin Men loose with something as potentially lethal as a defibrillator.

Having undergone a heart attack myself, which appears to be becoming something of a 'right of passage' for my age group, I would like to add my support to firemans suggestion that we organise ourselves to make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack. But that is a bit like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Any joined-up plan would have to have three aspects to it: Before, During and After and all of them depend in large part on EDUCATION and participation in Education.


Being cynical for a moment though, it does strike me that if we were sucessful HBC might hijack it, and claim it as another feature for their Hyndburn as a Tourist Destination thing.

fireman 17-01-2005 07:39
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i'm sure we could scrape together enough volubteers to educate people like scouts guides army and air cadets and any youth clubs that might still be on the scene. and if hbc want any input maybe mr brits expenses could finance it.
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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
This has to be a joke. I cannot believe that anyone in their right mind would ever considering letting Bin Men loose with something as potentially lethal as a defibrillator.

Having undergone a heart attack myself, which appears to be becoming something of a 'right of passage' for my age group, I would like to add my support to firemans suggestion that we organise ourselves to make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack. But that is a bit like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Any joined-up plan would have to have three aspects to it: Before, During and After and all of them depend in large part on EDUCATION and participation in Education.


Being cynical for a moment though, it does strike me that if we were sucessful HBC might hijack it, and claim it as another feature for their Hyndburn as a Tourist Destination thing.

Acrylic-bob 17-01-2005 07:54
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This is something that is going to take a great deal of thought. If it were handled properly, it would encompass all and every aspect of life in the borough; homes, schools, workplaces and shops. The educational aspect would start at birth and continue throughout life. To make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack would mean that practically everyone in the borough would be involved in one way or another. To be successful it would require an organisational capability on a par with the War Effort. That is not to say that it is impossible, just that it is a rather big challenge.

fireman 17-01-2005 16:59
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oh i know it would be an uphill struggle but could the benefits outweigh the input
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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
This is something that is going to take a great deal of thought. If it were handled properly, it would encompass all and every aspect of life in the borough; homes, schools, workplaces and shops. The educational aspect would start at birth and continue throughout life. To make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack would mean that practically everyone in the borough would be involved in one way or another. To be successful it would require an organisational capability on a par with the War Effort. That is not to say that it is impossible, just that it is a rather big challenge.

removal-man 17-01-2005 17:22
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milkmen would be a better bet.

removal-man 17-01-2005 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
This is something that is going to take a great deal of thought. If it were handled properly, it would encompass all and every aspect of life in the borough; homes, schools, workplaces and shops. The educational aspect would start at birth and continue throughout life. To make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack would mean that practically everyone in the borough would be involved in one way or another. To be successful it would require an organisational capability on a par with the War Effort. That is not to say that it is impossible, just that it is a rather big challenge.
:D not a chance.


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