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dotti34 26-07-2023 04:32

Artificial Intelligence
 
Any comments about artificial intelligence? I find it all a bit scary - probably because I don’t understand it or know why it’s needed. Well what I do know is that it’s a machine’s ability to perform the cognitive functions we associate with human minds because Mr Google told me, in other words it’s completely beyond my comprehension. Is it something we need?

It will replace humans in numerous jobs, has in fact already done so, but apparently will also create jobs. It’s a worry if it gets used inappropriately and you can bet your bottom dollar someone will find a way of doing so. I was listening to a man on the TV who was trying to explain it and he said that AI does not know the concept of truth. What! By the time he had finished a convoluted explantation of AI I was more confused than ever.

landhusweg 26-07-2023 07:56

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I must admit that I don't understand what AI is, nor why we need such a thing.
Will it mean that the following things will be over with:
- Climate change
- Famine of people around the world
- Wars around the globe

The explanations of AI given by scientists on TV. leaves me in the dark as before.

Cheers

Margaret Pilkington 26-07-2023 08:31

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It scares the behjasus out of me. I think it is very sinister as it adds another dimension to the ability of scammers.
Imagine the situation where the voice of a young person is cloned…and their type of language used is employed to scam money out of their elderly parents.

I do not understand it fully because I believe the scientists who are formulating this want us to be kept in the dark about the possibilities.
One of my other concerns is that people will lose their jobs because if AI can do the job then it costs less and it will never phone in sick saying it has been up all night with a poorly child.

The possibility that AI might learn how to think for itself is the stuff of nightmares.
There are those in the computer world…far more savvy than me…who are expressing concerns.
Now if that doesn’t worry you then what would worry you?

dotti34 26-07-2023 10:22

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Delving further into the subject I have read that (in simple terms) it is computer science that can simulate human intelligence in machines making it possible for these to think like humans, to perform tasks that humans would normally do. Of course there is much to it than that but to me it’s all as clear as mud. It’s like more of science fiction is becoming fact. Definitely a worry on a few points.

Hill Walker 26-07-2023 13:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1273234)
Delving further into the subject I have read that (in simple terms) it is computer science that can simulate human intelligence in machines making it possible for these to think like humans, to perform tasks that humans would normally do. Of course there is much to it than that but to me it’s all as clear as mud. It’s like more of science fiction is becoming fact. Definitely a worry on a few points.


The first thing that should be recognised in any discussion about ‘Artificial Intelligence’ is that it is completely misnamed. Intelligence is one of those things that is usually easy to recognise but is almost impossible to define, like (for example) beauty it has intangible properties. It is therefore impossible to produce an artificial version of something which cannot be defined.
The second thing is that the term ‘Artificial Intelligence’ is being used to cover a range of things that are completely different and have no fundamental connection to each other.

For example ‘Computer Image/Vision Recognition’ is based on so-called ‘Neural Networks’ the design of which was an early attempt to produce a computer model of a very tiny bit of how brain tissue was thought to be constructed. They do work and are useful, BUT they have to be trained and it is almost impossible to be certain quite what they have been trained to do. For example self driving cars are trained to recognise people crossing the road but this can fail when the situation differs from the training, if for example two people carrying a long ladder cross the road the software will probably recognise the people but could fail the recognise that they are connected by the ladder.
On the other hand ChatGPT is based on a (language) syntax analysis programme which tries to work out what the user said, the results of this analysis then triggers a reply which usually is derived from searching a database of previous replies and/or searching the larger ‘database’ of a web search engine.
‘Artificial Intelligence’ covers both these examples (and many others) but the only thing that is common is the use of a computer.

The above is greatly simplified but I’m sure you’ll get the idea.

(Also note that Evolutionary Biologists are still undecided if ‘Intelligence’ is a Darwinian survival characteristic so it could all be a waste of time and effort.)

Margaret Pilkington 26-07-2023 15:25

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
It still scares me.

taddy 27-07-2023 08:01

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
[QUOTE=Hill Walker;1273235]The first thing that should be recognised in any discussion about ‘Artificial Intelligence’ is that it is completely misnamed. Intelligence is one of those things that is usually easy to recognise but is almost impossible to define, like (for example) beauty it has intangible properties. It is therefore impossible to produce an artificial version of something which cannot be defined.
The second thing is that the term ‘Artificial Intelligence’ is being used to cover a range of things that are completely different and have no fundamental connection to each other.

For example ‘Computer Image/Vision Recognition’ is based on so-called ‘Neural Networks’ the design of which was an early attempt to produce a computer model of a very tiny bit of how brain tissue was thought to be constructed. They do work and are useful, BUT they have to be trained and it is almost impossible to be certain quite what they have been trained to do. For example self driving cars are trained to recognise people crossing the road but this can fail when the situation differs from the training, if for example two people carrying a long ladder cross the road the software will probably recognise the people but could fail the recognise that they are connected by the ladder.
On the other hand ChatGPT is based on a (language) syntax analysis programme which tries to work out what the user said, the results of this analysis then triggers a reply which usually is derived from searching a database of previous replies and/or searching the larger ‘database’ of a web search engine.
‘Artificial Intelligence’ covers both these examples (and many others) but the only thing that is common is the use of a computer.

The above is greatly simplified but I’m sure you’ll get the idea.

(Also note that Evolutionary Biologists are still undecided if ‘Intelligence’ is a Darwinian survival characteristic so it could all be a waste of time and effort.)

A well put together post but I am even more confused now, :confused:

MoreJoe 03-08-2023 12:04

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Marc Andreessen is one of the smartest guys I know. He is a pioneer of the early Internet days, a founder of Mosaic and the primary author of two of the most successful Internet Browsers in the world. He is "One Smart Cookie".
I just watched him participate in a two and a half hour conversation with Joe Rogan on the "Joe Rogan Experience". Among the many subjects they covered there are AI, the future of AI, potential misuse of AI, the emerging product of Chat GTP and who could and should make use of such capabilities.
I was amazed that Marc has permitted access to Chat GTP to his 8 year old son.
My opinion of the wisdom of this diverges from the opinion of Marc.
I admit that he is way smarter than me and therefore I might be a Technical Luddite.
I recommend that if you can access the "Joe Rogan Experience" on Spotify you should watch or listen to the July 19 edition.
At 2 hours and 40 minutes it is lengthy but you will walk away with a more complete grasp of what is coming at us.
Good Luck to us all...
-Joe

MoreJoe 06-08-2023 10:47

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Link to the Marc Andreessen conversation.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3EW...1ad5e9f277479d

If it works?

MoreJoe 06-08-2023 10:51

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
Link to the Marc Andreessen conversation.




https://open.spotify.com/episode/3EW...1ad5e9f277479d





If it works?


-MoreJoe

kestrelx 30-11-2023 11:10

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I know the first picture created by A.I. looked evil by human standards - the experts explained why!

It's fact that a human can no longer beat a computer at chess.

But a school used A.I. to work out questions/answers for a test and they were all wrong, so it said on the news.

Margaret Pilkington 30-11-2023 11:55

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Can you clarify the point of your last post Kestrel?
Are you saying that AI is good or are you saying it is bad?

From my point of view AI is very worrying on a number of levels.
It will be detrimental to the working population because it will remove the opportunity to work….work is essential for self esteem. It is not just to pay bills and put food on the table.

It will give the criminal element another way to scam people.
It will stop children from having the opportunity to develop the skills of critical analysis…why try to think for yourself if AI will think for you?
Then there is the more worrying thought that AI learns….and may decide that humans are unnecessary and exterminate us.

I am sure there are more drawbacks but I will leave others to commen5 on them.

kestrelx 03-12-2023 18:27

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I agree with you. In an ideal world A.I. could be used to make life easier for all. But it's more likely it will be used for the benefit of the rich, to keep rich
and control the poor . Have you seen the Spielberg film "A.I." about a robot A.I. child struggling to cope with trying to be human.

Margaret Pilkington 03-12-2023 20:13

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No I haven’t sent the film you mention. I am not a great watcher of films
My concerns are that the general population will gain little from AI and as it continues to learn it will disadvantage the human race.

I have no confidence in anyone controlling it and I fear that AI will end up controlling us
But by then I will very likely be dust.

I have an iPad that thinks it knows what I want to say when I am e-mailing family.
Frequently I change what it thinks I mean, only to find that the sent document contains what it wanted me to say.

skuta 07-12-2023 01:06

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A.I.is computer systems that can perform tasks that typically require human intelligence. This includes learning, problem-solving, speech recognition, and decision-making.

A.I. can be categorised into narrow or weak A.I., designed for specific tasks, embedded electronic EEPROM or Flash Memory controlled systems? and general or strong A.I., which would have human-like cognitive abilities across a range of tasks. This is achieved by comparisons & logical? derivations from a growing online Dataset. Watch out, it doesn’t always return the correct answer, sometimes it’s irrelevant or just plain wrong. It can have problems with context too. Humans will need to supervise it until the tech expands to make it autonomous. Or if there’s no information it can use online it just fails.

Look at midrange for A.I. art from verbal cues. I’ve had a play with this online & it’s already pretty good & will improve exponentially over time. I did a few pieces & that was it.
I can’t pretend to be an expert on this or A.I. in general as is.

Rapid machine learning gives the advantage of speed & accuracy of repetitive tasks which lends itself well to a wide range of applications. Including tissue diagnostics & X-Ray Plates, detecting subtle, easily missed aberration's in Pulmonary, Brain & other areas of examination.

Imagine a robot controlled by A.I., it can perfectly repeat tasks & learn from & adapt to changes. 24/7, no holidays, no “sickies” or any other Human BS. The perfect employee. just routine maintenance & programming.

Yes, there will be many people released from their monotonous, low paid hum-drum unskilled jobs who can re-skill for a skilled, better paid future building & maintaining these systems.

There are vast opportunities with this technology, many of which have not been recognised. Or have even been invented yet.

The biggest risks as I see them are the very probable abuses by governments to surveil people & businesses to rip you off & pester folk with their new, intrusive, personalised marketing spam.
Banks will definitely try & rip people off if they ever update their archaic IT back end. It’s incredible how old the SWIFT settlement system is.

It’s not surprising Pensioners will be confused & suspicious. It’s something Government has assumed you will just have to learn to deal with. They think everyone has a computer & is online.
For some technically capable people this can be used as a great tool.

I used to access ChatGPT online through a Browser, now I quickly access it through their App on my iPad. I’m fiddling around with building a probably wildly popular application to enable 24/7 monitoring, Cash management, execution of entry & exit of Market Positions in different Markets & Timeframes. Imagine making money while you sleep.
There’s already loads of scam applications out there, I decided to build my own & keep it to myself. If something like this really existed & was released to Retail Traders it would cause huge Market distortions. Profitable volatility will disappear. The Software will quickly become worthless & pointless to use.

Of course, it’s nowhere near trustworthy. Sentiment expectations is its major weak point. It can’t think & view risk like Humans do. Coding Algorithms for this are…

This side project is a tiny example of what ordinary folk like you & me can do with this technology. Maybe one day it’ll save my life by spotting malignant Cancer Cells of a Tissue sample on a microscope slide that had been missed by tired Humans.

Fun fact: parts of this post were edited & pasted from ChatGPT.

RainbowSix 07-12-2023 21:07

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AI would not be able to do my job, I actually build things.

I cannot work from home either.

kestrelx 26-12-2023 19:30

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
The script idea for the film "A.I." was started by Stanley Kubrick but never completed and then taken on by Spielberg. It looks at the issue of what kind of rights would A.I. humanoids have?

In today's Daily Mail there is an article that warns about putting too much personal information into Chat GPT, because it will be stored and used to train future versions. Chat GPT tells you what it wants you to hear, to extract information!

Restless 20-01-2024 00:22

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1276218)
The script idea for the film "A.I." was started by Stanley Kubrick but never completed and then taken on by Spielberg. It looks at the issue of what kind of rights would A.I. humanoids have?



In today's Daily Mail there is an article that warns about putting too much personal information into Chat GPT, because it will be stored and used to train future versions. Chat GPT tells you what it wants you to hear, to extract information!

Chat GPT tells you what it wants you to hear, to extract information!


Loooool

Such BS.


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Restless 20-01-2024 01:07

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Well I think a lot of the worries are seeds planted in minds through work of fiction and articles of misinformation that would lead to a completely incorrect statement like that I quoted from kestrel x above.

Then you will always have your conspiracy nutjobs too.

I don't see Ai taking many jobs any time soon. I can see Ai being used to perform tasks but they will still need human guidance just like any program or machine.

But it's the same old story that has gone on for years and years. Machines took our jobs at the factory etc. These are things that actually happened to a degree. So it is a legitimate worry I guess.

The problem is scammers. It's not so much ai as it is voice moddeling and also video generating stuff where scammers are already using people like Elon musk to scam people

Anyway

I have been using some AI stuff lately.

Midjouney for art creation.voice modeling and chat gpt for making some writing that I am doing grammatically correct (and some embellishing)

I play an online game DayZ that has a community and I wrote some short stories based off my friends in the game and turned them into an audioboom type presentation.

Chat GPT is pretty much like my editor lol
I used some text to speech stuff alongside some voice modelling AI stuff - thumbnail is generated by midjouney

Here is one of them about a polish friend of mine that was in hospital with a broken back operation that went wrong and I wrote it to cheer him up when he finally was able to get home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a85J...AHYIXAOd5txk9Z

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Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2024 19:16

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So AI has to be programmed by humans. Question would be ‘ do you trust the motives of those who are doing the programming?

And doesn’t A I have the capability to learn.
Not to ‘think’ exactly, but how long before it can do that too.
Fortunately I am in the position of being at the bum end of my life so maybe I do not have to worry overmuch about it.

What I DO know, is that if it can be misused to scam people…take money from them, then there are those out there who have neither ethics or morals and will use it for that.
My

shahed 20-01-2024 20:57

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$300m raise for Quantinuum at $5bn pre-money valuation creates super-unicorn for Cambridge

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Quantinuum Computing and Artificial Intelligence might be something Ilyas Khan might be able to help , please see latest news on quantum computing one of Ilyas's companies

From modest Cambridge roots – having started life in a tiny room in the Cambridge Union Building on Bridge Street – quantum computing pioneer Quantinuum has grown into a unicorn many times over following a $300 million raise which values the business at $5 billion pre-money.

The raise was revealed by Quantinuum major shareholder – US and global giant Honeywell – which has invested as co-anchor alongside JPMorgan Chase, Mitsui & Co., Ltd and Amgen.

Quantinuum is a result of the November 2021 combination of two global leaders in quantum computing – Honeywell Quantum Solutions and Cambridge Quantum, which was this medium’s Business of the Year in 2021.

As part of this fund raise – believed to be a pre-IPO round ahead of a stockmarket float – Honeywell and other existing backers of Cambridge Quantum, who previously invested around $325m in Quantinuum, have exchanged their convertible instruments for the same class of preferred stock raised in this fresh round.

This brings the total capital raised by Quantinuum since the merger to approximately $625m, although the total capital deployed into Quantinuum – including funds invested by Honeywell into Honeywell Quantum Solutions and the investment by investors including JSR Corp into Cambridge Quantum – is closer to $1.3bn according to company sources.

Exile on Spencer St 21-01-2024 09:29

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So, Shahed, I guess it’s just about money after all? :rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 21-01-2024 09:53

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
Shahed’s post does not console me or make me feel less worried in any way.

In fact, if anything it makes me feel more concerned, because when something is done purely for the financial rewards there is the possibility that those financial rewards will be the motivating factor, rather than what is best for humanity.

kestrelx 21-01-2024 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1276545)
Chat GPT tells you what it wants you to hear, to extract information!


Loooool

Such BS.


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Not according to the Daily Mail. There are some people who even have A.I. girlfriends lol One guy on a murder charge even claimed his A.I. girlfriend encouraged him to do it!

Restless 21-01-2024 10:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1276564)
Not according to the Daily Mail. There are some people who even have A.I. girlfriends lol One guy on a murder charge even claimed his A.I. girlfriend encouraged him to do it!

I don't read that trash

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Margaret Pilkington 21-01-2024 12:16

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There is a reason why some men might want an AI girl friend….it is because they do not have the social skills to get a real girl friend.
As for doing a murder ant saying your AI girlfriend told you to do it….well that is ludicrous.
I am sure that it would not stand up in court.

Hill Walker 21-01-2024 13:30

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1276558)
So AI has to be programmed by humans. Question would be ‘ do you trust the motives of those who are doing the programming?


Given that over the years I have come across several people who claim computer skils but who would fail the 'Turing Test' if it were applied to them the answer must be 'user beware' in exactly the same way as for years its been 'buyer beware'.


There is an entertaining and salutary story from the very begings of 'AI Vision'. In brief an AI system connected to a camera was being trained to spot movement in some dense foliage (for use in a security system). The system was tested and demonstrated to the customer and pronouced satisfactory. When installed at the customers location it was a total failure and it took a long time before somebody noticed that at the test site there were rabbits in the grass between the camera and target foliage. The customers site had no rabbits. In fact what it had been trained to do was to spot the rabbits taking cover because they had been alarmed by movements within the foliage.

kestrelx 29-01-2024 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1276567)
There is a reason why some men might want an AI girl friend….it is because they do not have the social skills to get a real girl friend.
As for doing a murder ant saying your AI girlfriend told you to do it….well that is ludicrous.
I am sure that it would not stand up in court.

I checked this further and it was actually the person who set out to attack the Queen! Obviously anyone who has a relationship with a AI chatbot must be desperate.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...een-court-told

taddy 29-01-2024 15:36

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[QUOTE=kestrelx;1276642]I checked this further and it was actually the person who set out to attack the Queen! Obviously anyone who has a relationship with a AI chatbot must be desperate.

Maybe he is a pubescent young lad with the name of Master Bates, who is still only managing to work "a week in hand" ? I hope this comment does not get me banned ;);)

Restless 13-03-2024 15:37

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I decided to get chat gpt to interpret one of my songs "the road"

The lyrics you provided seem to express a journey of struggle with addiction, recovery, and the desire to protect someone else from going down the same destructive path. Here's an interpretation based on the themes presented:

The speaker reflects on their own experiences of being trapped in addiction ("I've been down that road way too many times, I've been on that road for way too long"). They acknowledge that for some people, there seems to be no way out ("For some there is no escape"). The speaker then expresses concern for someone they care about, perhaps a younger person ("And now I am afraid for you little one").

The allure of addiction is described as deceptive ("They say that road is oh so attractive, It's all fluorescent lights"). The speaker warns that appearances can be deceiving, as addiction can lead to a destructive cycle of dependency ("They lie to your eyes, You'll learn to love the need, For the drink and the drugs, To light your way through the nights").

Having gone through recovery ("Now that I'm clean"), the speaker acknowledges that outwardly, they may appear to have overcome their addiction ("From what can be seen"). However, they also recognize that there are internal scars and struggles that remain ("But honey you should see, The dirt on the inside"). Despite this, the speaker wants to offer hope and reassurance to the person they care about ("If I could wipe the slate clean, I could show you, You no longer have to be afraid, Of living alone").

Overall, these lyrics convey the challenges of addiction, the deceptive nature of its allure, the difficulties of recovery, and the desire to protect others from experiencing similar hardships.



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RainbowSix 13-03-2024 19:15

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
My jobs safe from AI, unless it can pick up a screwdriver :)

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2024 08:34

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
I am not sure any job will be safe from AI.
Aren’t, robots programmed using AI?
Artificially intelligence is something that can be incorporated into many aspects of our life….as such it should be considered something of a threat.
Maybe AI has attributes that COULD be used for good, but it also has many more that could harm us.(that is just my opinion on how I see it at present)

Restless you asked ChatGPT to interpret lyrics of a song and it did, but it did not tell you anything that you did not already know….so it added nothing to your knowledge.All it did was spit out the obvious.

Lost in Cornwall 15-03-2024 07:34

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My younger son is retraining as a Primary school teacher. He was saying last week that, in spite of signing a disclosure at the beginning of the course to say that they would not use AI, a number of the younger students are openly saying that they use it in their essays and some of the older ones are saying that they use it to collect the information they need but then rewriting it so that they can pass it off as their own work. I worry about what this means ffor children in the future if those teaching them can't be bothered to out the necessary work in.

Margaret Pilkington 15-03-2024 10:42

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Microsoft has just done a bigging up of their involvement in AI in education.
If you want to lose 45 minutes of your life you can see what they are on about have a look here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X22uNzGSf2s

Much of this is Microsoft patting themselves on the back.
I am largely suspicious of how AI will be used…in spite of reassurances.

Restless 17-03-2024 23:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1277371)
I am not sure any job will be safe from AI.
Aren’t, robots programmed using AI?
Artificially intelligence is something that can be incorporated into many aspects of our life….as such it should be considered something of a threat.
Maybe AI has attributes that COULD be used for good, but it also has many more that could harm us.(that is just my opinion on how I see it at present)

Restless you asked ChatGPT to interpret lyrics of a song and it did, but it did not tell you anything that you did not already know….so it added nothing to your knowledge.All it did was spit out the obvious.

Yes. It did spit out the obvious and I am not sure if you're actually downplaying the significance of deciphered the meaning. The ai stuff is in its early days. I think it is pretty impressive

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Margaret Pilkington 18-03-2024 02:22

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Maybe I am too suspicious of it to be impressed.
Yes it is early days and now is the time that the foreseen dangers should be addressed.
It might have the potential to do good, but I also see in it the potential for harm….well unless moves are made to check how it can be used.

Restless 18-03-2024 12:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1277437)
Maybe I am too suspicious of it to be impressed.
Yes it is early days and now is the time that the foreseen dangers should be addressed.
It might have the potential to do good, but I also see in it the potential for harm….well unless moves are made to check how it can be used.

I think works of fiction have a lot to answer for regarding suspicions and misgivings towards ai.

The danger is not with AI in my opinion but with AI misused by the worst of humanity.

My concerns at this time are using ai programs for scamming and entrapment.

If I had enough of your voice I could(in theory) make a recording of your stating something out of character.

I don't know if you have heard ai cover versions of songs. For example people have created data sets of Kurt cobain from stems of tracks and with that access to that dataset I could make Kurt Cobain sing any song you like. The results are varied. Some are very convincing.

As time will go by with enough data on someone. Fake video footage could be generated. I've seen it already with Elon musk scams

The true worry always has been humans and their capability for harm

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Margaret Pilkington 18-03-2024 13:55

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Rob I do not read the kind of fiction that would be influenced by AI….tudor history doesn’t really feature AI.

I have had a phone call several times recently. It does not sound like a robotic voice.it sounds like a real person.
He is named variously Mark, Martin, Matthew and says he is working for an energy firm


and their team is fitting roof insulation in our area….(the voice is the same regardless of the name) he asks me what sort of roof insulation we have. In the past I told him the normal fibre glass…but after a few of these samey calls I decided I would say something ridiculous just to see if this was a real person.
So the last time when he asked that question I said ‘elephants’.
A totally daft answer that would have provoked a different response to the one I got, which was ‘oh OK…so would you like a free no obligation estimate from one of our team?’

Now I do not know if this was AI or some other kind of computer algorithm, but it definitely was not human.

And yes, you do recognise that AI can be used by the worst of humanity…but then a lot of those are in positions of power in huge organisations.

AI learns….and it maybe that we cannot accurately or efficiently regulate WHAT it learns.
Scamming and entrapment might be the least of our worries when considering AI
So I think I will retain my healthy level of suspicion.

Restless 18-03-2024 14:42

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
I don't think one necessarily has to read and watch this type of fiction to be affected by it.



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Restless 18-03-2024 14:44

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1277445)
Rob I do not read the kind of fiction that would be influenced by AI….tudor history doesn’t really feature AI.

I have had a phone call several times recently. It does not sound like a robotic voice.it sounds like a real person.
He is named variously Mark, Martin, Matthew and says he is working for an energy firm


and their team is fitting roof insulation in our area….(the voice is the same regardless of the name) he asks me what sort of roof insulation we have. In the past I told him the normal fibre glass…but after a few of these samey calls I decided I would say something ridiculous just to see if this was a real person.
So the last time when he asked that question I said ‘elephants’.
A totally daft answer that would have provoked a different response to the one I got, which was ‘oh OK…so would you like a free no obligation estimate from one of our team?’

Now I do not know if this was AI or some other kind of computer algorithm, but it definitely was not human.

And yes, you do recognise that AI can be used by the worst of humanity…but then a lot of those are in positions of power in huge organisations.

AI learns….and it maybe that we cannot accurately or efficiently regulate WHAT it learns.
Scamming and entrapment might be the least of our worries when considering AI
So I think I will retain my healthy level of suspicion.

Oh and I thought you read mills and boon [emoji14]

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kestrelx 18-03-2024 21:45

Re: Artificial Intelligence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1277362)
I decided to get chat gpt to interpret one of my songs "the road"

The lyrics you provided seem to express a journey of struggle with addiction, recovery, and the desire to protect someone else from going down the same destructive path. Here's an interpretation based on the themes presented:

The speaker reflects on their own experiences of being trapped in addiction ("I've been down that road way too many times, I've been on that road for way too long"). They acknowledge that for some people, there seems to be no way out ("For some there is no escape"). The speaker then expresses concern for someone they care about, perhaps a younger person ("And now I am afraid for you little one").

The allure of addiction is described as deceptive ("They say that road is oh so attractive, It's all fluorescent lights"). The speaker warns that appearances can be deceiving, as addiction can lead to a destructive cycle of dependency ("They lie to your eyes, You'll learn to love the need, For the drink and the drugs, To light your way through the nights").

Having gone through recovery ("Now that I'm clean"), the speaker acknowledges that outwardly, they may appear to have overcome their addiction ("From what can be seen"). However, they also recognize that there are internal scars and struggles that remain ("But honey you should see, The dirt on the inside"). Despite this, the speaker wants to offer hope and reassurance to the person they care about ("If I could wipe the slate clean, I could show you, You no longer have to be afraid, Of living alone").

Overall, these lyrics convey the challenges of addiction, the deceptive nature of its allure, the difficulties of recovery, and the desire to protect others from experiencing similar hardships.



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Have you seen the sci-fi film called The Road...about a father and his son after an apocalypse in America!?

Margaret Pilkington 19-03-2024 07:38

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No Rob I like historical fiction and I think I have read everything Phillips Gregory has written…and Jean Plaidy.
I take issue with your point that you can’t be affected unless you read the kind of stuff that features AI.
I think AI will be detrimental to creativity, to education…it stops people from thinking for themselves…and there appears already to be a lack of critical thought and analysis.
If we let AI tell us what IT thinks something means(like those lyrics) then we run the risk of becoming ‘thought lazy’.
I am just saying what my thoughts and opinions are…but of course everyone is free to choose how they see this issue.

Restless 19-03-2024 11:29

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1277450)
No Rob I like historical fiction and I think I have read everything Phillips Gregory has written…and Jean Plaidy.
I take issue with your point that you can’t be affected unless you read the kind of stuff that features AI.
I think AI will be detrimental to creativity, to education…it stops people from thinking for themselves…and there appears already to be a lack of critical thought and analysis.
If we let AI tell us what IT thinks something means(like those lyrics) then we run the risk of becoming ‘thought lazy’.
I am just saying what my thoughts and opinions are…but of course everyone is free to choose how they see this issue.

I didn't say you can't be affected. :)

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Restless 19-03-2024 11:32

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1277449)
Have you seen the sci-fi film called The Road...about a father and his son after an apocalypse in America!?

Ive read the book prior to watching the film. The film is a pretty good adaptation. I wouldn't call it scifi though

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Margaret Pilkington 19-03-2024 12:38

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No you didn’t…but that was the gist of the comment.
So how do you consider that I am influenced by it Rob?
This is a genuine question…it is not a criticism of your comment.

Restless 19-03-2024 13:07

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Was not really critical of your opinions was a more generalised reflection.

You tend to be rather suspicious of technology and social media on a whole. It does not surprise me you are wary of ai. I do think you have valid points and they are well founded.

It's hard to explain but the more we interact with each other (humans that is) and the more we learn and grow, many variables lead to us forming opinions.

There is a lot to say around collective conscieness. So to speak.






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Margaret Pilkington 19-03-2024 14:15

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Rob, I did not want you to think I was being critical of you….i just wanted to know how you thought I might have been influenced.

Yes, you are right, the more we interact with each other and the more we learn…and everyone has the ability to teach us something….whether it is about life or about ourselves.

AI has the ability/potential to learn….and this is the concern.
If AI develops reasoning skills then that MiGHT have a negative impact on the human race.
The other concern of mine is that if we rely on things that mean we do not need to think…then we will stop thinking…and that could be dangerous.

Already we see people carrying mobile phones…in essence these have (for some people) all aspects of their lives…they do not need to remember numbers, dates, facts.
There needs to be ethical examination of AI models….already we can see the use of Algorithms in everyday life…sometimes these algorithms have bias written into them.

There is also a worry that AI could be weaponised by hostile countries or agents….so AI is a worry.
I used to think that by the time it arrived I would have left the planet, but now I am not so sure about that.

Margaret Pilkington 19-03-2024 14:23

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I consider Stephen Hawking to be an extremely intelligent individual….an intellect far greater than anything I will ever be.
He has expressed concerns about the future of the world with AI in it….so I am with him because he is brainy!

Restless 19-03-2024 14:57

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I never thought anything negative or that you were being critical. Just enjoying the discussion

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Margaret Pilkington 19-03-2024 17:44

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Yes Rob, I was enjoying the discussion too.
That is something that I have missed about the forum.
Respectful discussions have been very thin on the ground here of late.
So thank you for your participation.

Restless 20-03-2024 12:50

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I don't think it's the site as such. It's just not frequented as It once was.

I think respect in general is close to none existent.

The other day I had to return to Skipton to replace a ipad case that was mislabeled and was the wrong size. Well. Waiting for the bus I'm the first person there. Automatic doors are closed whilst people waiting for the bus. The kids behind me (teenagers) walked out and around the outside to stand outside the doors to go first. Bus came doors opened and I said I've been waiting 20 mins and you're just going to walk around and skip the queue.

He says " what's your point"

I said the point is you're an ignorant c...

...Needless to say I was angry

Yes I still have anger issues. I always try to be polite, kind and respectful to people.

Times always a changin

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cashman 20-03-2024 16:50

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you did right far as im concerned.

Margaret Pilkington 20-03-2024 20:00

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I had that happen in Blackburn.
I missed the 152 by a midges widgie….i sat and waited for 29 minutes.
A couple of college students….a male and a female walked straight to the front of the queue.
I tapped the young man on his shoulder and asked him if he understood the concept of queueing. I told him those who come last don’t get to get on the bus first.

He looked a bit gobstruck and I expected a mouthful of bad language, but he just walked to the back of the queue with his girlfriend.
I think that often people let this behaviour pass without challenging it…and that is part of the problem.

kestrelx 24-03-2024 10:26

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1277453)
Ive read the book prior to watching the film. The film is a pretty good adaptation. I wouldn't call it scifi though

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Well it's after a nuclear war...or something I think. So could be sci-fi though I've not read the book. The film is very gripping.

It's probably better to read the book before any film version. I tried it with Harry Potter but gave up. Though I did manage the Hobbit, but not Lord of the Rings!

Blade Runner is another one based on a book...Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep?

kestrelx 06-04-2024 21:31

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1277455)
Was not really critical of your opinions was a more generalised reflection.

You tend to be rather suspicious of technology and social media on a whole. It does not surprise me you are wary of ai. I do think you have valid points and they are well founded.

It's hard to explain but the more we interact with each other (humans that is) and the more we learn and grow, many variables lead to us forming opinions.

There is a lot to say around collective conscieness. So to speak.






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A couple of weeks ago I was in a hospital visiting somebody. Music was playing through a smart speaker provided by the hospital. The person I was visiting just said "I like Ice-cream!" Suddenly the music stopped playing and a female voice started saying what ice cream was! It suddenly stopped and the music continued! I asked the nurse was it a smart speaker and told her what happened! She said it's only supposed to speak when you say "Alexa" first. No one said that name.

Restless 08-04-2024 10:37

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1277800)
A couple of weeks ago I was in a hospital visiting somebody. Music was playing through a smart speaker provided by the hospital. The person I was visiting just said "I like Ice-cream!" Suddenly the music stopped playing and a female voice started saying what ice cream was! It suddenly stopped and the music continued! I asked the nurse was it a smart speaker and told her what happened! She said it's only supposed to speak when you say "Alexa" first. No one said that name.

Likely a word in the song resembled Alexa.

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Hill Walker 09-04-2024 11:59

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Microsoft is setting up an AI R&D centre in London (1). They may have got this wrong. The greatest problems with the currently available AI is the total lack of 'proper judgment' in the results it returns. If they plan to work on fixing this they will be working in an area which in humans is called 'common sense'. If this is the case they should set up in an area famed for its 'common sense' i.e. 'up north'.

(1) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ger7j9vzpo

kestrelx 27-04-2024 13:33

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1277821)
Likely a word in the song resembled Alexa.

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I doubt it, for that to be correct Alexa and Ice-cream, would have to be all part of the same sentence!

Some people reported hearing mad laughter coming out of Alexa smart speakers in the middle of the night!

Restless 02-05-2024 21:43

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1278050)
I doubt it, for that to be correct Alexa and Ice-cream, would have to be all part of the same sentence!



Some people reported hearing mad laughter coming out of Alexa smart speakers in the middle of the night!

Yeah and some people are crazy

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kestrelx 03-05-2024 10:11

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1278120)
Yeah and some people are crazy

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It's true. Read the article here:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90163588...-creeps-us-out

Restless 04-05-2024 07:27

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It's on the internet. It must be true

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