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Watched a bit of this today. Heard that Johnson said Covid is nature's way of dealing with old people. Iam still stunned and trying to get my thoughts straight. Will come back when a bit calmer.

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Your reaction to hearsay is precisely what was intended.
This ‘inquiry’ is just another bit of theatre.
Here’s another take on it….

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...wo-professors/

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Here’s another take on the MSM’s coverage…

“According to the diary of Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK’s then chief scientific adviser, Johnson had come to see Covid as just ‘nature’s way of dealing with old people’. Apparently, these words are proof, if it were needed, that Johnson was a reckless and callous PM. It’s supposed to show us that the man who Got Brexit Done, and who occasionally doubted lockdown, had little regard for human life. But what’s been left out of most of the media coverage is what Vallance wrote next. ‘I’m not entirely sure I disagree’, the chief scientist added.”

The above from Spiked today.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/1...ite-whitewash/

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This enquiry is a huge waste of money. It is going to last ages…will sanitise stuff that the elite think will enrage people. It won’t bring anyone back…..and if there were another pandemic tomorrow we would very likely be treated in the same controlling way.

It is just a ploy to let the public think that something is being done….how many times have we heard that ‘lessons have been learned’….when we know that nothing of the sort has happened.

At the very start of the pandemic I suggested that a more effective way of dealing with the situation would have been to close the borders.
An embargo should have been placed on travellers coming into the country.

I also made other observations about what was being done (and how useless I thought it was)and I remember being berated for my views.

Lockdown was a disaster. It trashed our economy and the best of it is…the majority of people were at very little risk of death from this virus.
The big influencer was the computer modeller Professor Ferguson….you know that guy who has got nothing right in his prognostication….but they listened to him, rather than people like
Carl Heneghan and many others who had their reputations trashed.

My opinion of the fiasco was that it was a social experiment in how the population coukd be controlled and manipulated…I still believe this.

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Exile thank you for those links….they really do hit the spot.

Mark, do not get enraged about the enquiry….it is a waste of your emotional effort.
If you must get enraged, then let it be about the waste of time, money and resources taken up by this useless bit of grand standing.

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Thanks Margaret

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I still don't know if lock down was right or wrong but in the panic of 2020, I would not be criticizing any mistakes made, personally I still think the virus escaped from the lab in wuhan

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I think you are right about Wuhan, ( but I also think that the US had an hand in it too…look up Fort Detrick…they have been implicated in associations with the Wuhan Lab) I DO think lockdowns were wrong.
So many problems were created by the lockdowns. Children lost their education opportunities which will affect them for life.
People who were previously healthy became ill with things other than covid but could not access the right health care…their lives have been shortened.
Businesses were trashed, the economy was trashed.

I think it was very badly managed and the wrong ‘experts’ were listened to.
Many of these experts had long and strong links to Big Pharma, so they had vested interests in scaring the population.
This experiment in social engineering will be looked back on and future generations will wonder how it could happen.

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Professor Carl Heneghan was treated appallingly at the inquiry.
This man is an epidemiologist with 450 peer reviewed publications, he is a GP who had vast experience.
He submitted a 54 page report to this enquiry and was spoken to by Baroness
Hallett and the KC like he knew nothing.
During the Pandemic his recommendations were taken no notice of…yet in hindsight they proved to be correct…unlike those of Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College.
This man was treated like an eminent expert when so far his computer models have been wrong on everything.

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for what its worth how would any expert know their answer was correct? this was something they NEVER had to deal with.

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Cashy, that doesn’t get away from the facts that they listened to people who had no clinical skills….and that those who WERE listened to had vested interests in big Pharma.There was money to be made.
You would not ask a barber if you needed a haircut.

Also there was a cancelling of information that had a scientific basis, (it was all systematically removed from the internet, not because it was wrong, but because it did not follow the chosen agenda.) It did not follow the narrative the government wanted us to believe. They treated us like mushrooms - fed us sh1t and kept us in the dark.

There was a lot of expertise in those clinicians who signed the Great Barrington declaration,
But this was disregarded.

Cashy during the pandemic I posted lots of researched material and I was shouted down by members on here.

This enquiry is not an enquiry in the true sense of the term.
It is a production that allows for show boating of some people and blatant castigation of others. They listened to the wrong experts and followed flawed science.

It will solve nothing because this was a social experiment on how the population could be controlled by making them scared.

If another pandemic came along they would use the same tactics in spite of knowing of the lasting damage it would cause.

Hopefully by then I will have left the planet

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Nobody could have managed the pandemic, it's not on the agenda when becoming an MP or a minister.

Sh1t happened and people died, other people lived that may not have.
But what does all that matter, they got richer, we got poorer and now they are just shifting the sh1t from one side of the room to the other.

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that is what it comes down too how could a minister know these people giving advice were getting good advice?these people are skilled in their field ministers certainly are not,

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The problem was not the virus…it was the media hype about the virus…and the scarifying tactics used by those who knew a good chance to make money out of a situation.
Those with money in PPE….the CMO…who was heavily involved in the big Pharma companies who were working on the vaccines.
If people had been jabbed with sterile water they would not have fared worse.
How many people do you know got jabbed yet still got the virus….and yes, they were told that the symptoms would not be as severe…how do we know if they would have had exactly the same symptoms if they had not been jabbed?

I got COVID at the end of 2021….it did not put me in bed,..it was a cold and I have gone to work feeling worse than that.
I never wore a mask, I continued to use sensible hand washing precautions, I wore leather gloves on public transport…I took vitamins…but that is all I did.

I did not listen to Doom and Gloom….Whitty and Van Tham with their prognostications.

This enquiry is going to go on until 2026 and by the end of it will cost 100billion quid.
Just think what good that money could do…and do you know what? It is US who are paying this bill.

I know my post will very likely be criticised, but I stick by what I said at the start of the pandemic…nothing I have seen has changed my mind

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Marge, why should your post be criticized ? you have the right to post what is on your mind as well as anyone else and you usually do, no problem in that, please keep it up.

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Nothing will emerge from Hallett’s stitch-up inquiry, other than a few ‘gotcha’ headlines for the media to salivate over, but maybe keeping an eye on what’s happening in Scotland may be slightly more informative.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/11/06/...covid-inquiry/

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Yes Taddy of course I have, but that did not stop people from making criticisms of my posts on the COVID fiasco when it happened. This, in spite of me posting research posts that supported my criticisms

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At Last. The UKHSA has finally admitted that masks did nothing to prevent the spread of this virus…in fact they are saying that the might have encouraged the Spread through people getting a false sense of security.

Though I do not think they have yet admitted that there were other far more serious dangers from the prolonged use of masks


Nor has any reference to the disappearance of peer reviewed evidence of the science been mentioned.
I hate to say this….but I told you so.

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Slowly, reluctantly, truth emerges even from paid propagandists.
This is a comment I found today on the Conservative Woman website from someone who, presumably, knows more than most of us about masks…

“…as ex-technical manager for a firm that sold face masks (mostly for clean rooms) I can offer the following face mask facts.

1. Sealed masks stop nothing but dust (and even then, imperfectly). They are useful only when using a power saw indoors, drilling into walls, knocking down an internal wall, etc. They should be worn for no longer than 15 minutes at a time, because they take inhaled CO2 up to beyond the 15 minute exposure limit (OES) for CO2. Exceeding this limit for any length of time can cause hypoxia (lowered oxygen levels in the blood), acidosis (low blood pH) and other ill-effects. Wearing sealed masks, such as N95, etc, for any substantial length of time is insane.

2. Unsealed masks, ie, the ones 99% of people were wearing during the 'pandemic', stop nothing except sputum. Surgical masks are worn to stop surgeons accidentally dropping spit on patients, or, partially, sneezing on them. That's all. Artificial ventilation in operating theatres helps keep staff oxygen levels up, but even wearing unsealed masks, including homemade efforts, raises inhaled CO2 to around the 8-hr exposure limit (OES). Unsealed masks are useless because air takes the path of least resistance, so exhaled and inhaled breath primarily enters through the gaps between the mask and the face. All they do is stop you sending spittle in people's direction. They don't even successfully stop you sneezing on people, as the droplet stream out of the sides of the mask. They just have more time to get out of the way.

None of these masks stop bacteria or virus-containing droplets, which can sail through the mask pores. One study I saw showed that unsealed masks reduced transmission by only 12% - in other words, they hardly worked at all. Sealed masks may slow transmission more, but everyone in a population of sealed mask wearers would still become infected/ It would just take longer. More importantly, they are unwearable for any length of time (more than 15 mins) without, as I said, raising CO2 to dangerous levels.”

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Much of what you have posted Exile….I mentioned way back when all the scientific evidence against the use of masks was removed from the internet.

I remember clearly being told that I should not post this stuff…that I was being irresponsible in telling people that masks were not just useless…they were dangerous.

There are currently some worrying reports about ‘White Lung Syndrome’….this is fibrosis of the lungs…it is incurable and it is possible that this could be caused by inhaled fibres from masks.
All masks carried warnings that this was a possibility, that fibres from masks could be inhaled.


I never wore a mask and I did get COVID, but this was not until December 2021…it was a very mild illness and I have gone to work feeling worse than that with a winter cold.

This enquiry is a waste of time and money….and it is OUR money.
It will solve nothing, it will just be a gravy train for the lawyers.

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Found the following on ChatGPT, this might have some bearing on BoJo’s attitude towards eugenics & old people.

I asked ChatGPT how BJ’s father is involved with eugenics because I heard a while ago that he’d written a book that supposedly includes some intimation on the subject. A book which I’ve never seen or read.

ChatGPT is a swift search engine, when I pressed enter on the question it came back with the answer pasted below in the blink of an eye. With no annoying Ad’s.

This response it replied with does sound to me more like possibly biased opinion than fact. I don’t know, I haven’t read it. To draw your own conclusions I would suggest to read the book.

“Stanley Johnson, the father of Boris Johnson, did write a book on environmental and population issues, but it’s important to note that it doesn’t explicitly endorse eugenics. The book is titled “The Virus of War: The Menace of Biological Warfare.” While the book addresses concerns related to overpopulation and the environment, it’s distinct from discussions specifically centered around eugenics”.

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i think its all balls, its simply to stop him from running again which i think theres no chance of thatbut some are too thick to to see that.,

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Cashy, there was a coup to remove Boris…of that I have no doubt.
The civil servants who are supposed to support politicians did not like him…so they decided he had to go.

I was not keen on BJ, but I have to admit I warmed to him.
I think he was stabbed in the back, but then that is the way in politics. Yes he made mistakes…one of the biggest was having Dominic Cummings as an advisor….and that snake Sunak as chancellor.

If he were still in position I do not think we would be in the deep doo-doo we seem to be in right now.

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So, you do not know if Stanley Johnson is an advocate of eugenics or not….neither can you say that Boris Johnson was an advocate either. So why is it worth a mention.

It has been reported that Boris expressed the opinion that the COVID would kill the old folk….and also that he allegedly said something about bodies pilling up…but we were not there an know nothing of the context…or whether it was actually said by him

I have reached a stage in my life where time is precious because there is more sand in the bottom, than there is in the top of my egg timer…..so forgive me if I pass on the reading of this book.

I can’t say that I care about whether they were advocates of eugenics.

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there was a coup but i think they want to make sure he dont run again.but i never thought he would.

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[QUOTE=Mark2009;1275241]Watched a bit of this today. Heard that Johnson said Covid is nature's way of dealing with old people. Iam still stunned and trying to get my thoughts straight. Will come back when a bit calmer.

Has this not always been the case, once the government, any government, has to pay out a decent pension to the populace of this country that have worked from leaving school to retiring fifty years later and have paid all the taxes, insurances etc that they have had to pay, including having to pay for the thousands of so called refugees to be given bed and board in hotels, costing "US, THE TAX PAYERS MILLIONS OF POUNDS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT OF ANY COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE ANY MONEY, IT ALL COMES FROM THE TAXES THAT CAN BE SCOUNGED FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PREPARED TO GET OF THEIR A---E AND DO A DAYS WORK.

OH I AM GLAD TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST. Hazel, please give my another bottle of Hobgoblin.

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Some scientific papers have been discovered that seem to confirm that the COVID virus WAS a virus that was engineered by scientists in the Lab….and that this project to add chimeric spikes(cells from more than one species) to the COVID virus so that it might more easily affect humans was put forward in 2018….funding was not granted for this project, but it still went ahead, but not in the US, but in Wuhan, but the science was (it appears) from US scientists with help from China.

Why would they want to do this do you think?

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1275367]Nothing will emerge from Hallett’s stitch-up inquiry, other than a few ‘gotcha’ headlines for the media to salivate over, but maybe keeping an eye on what’s happening in Scotland may be slightly more informative.

Fragments of truth leaking out from Scotland?
https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/s...es-concerns-2/

And another take on the subject of care home deaths….
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...excess-deaths/