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well is Suella Braverman being victimised for daring to tell the truth ?

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Depending on your viewpoint, either…
(A) she’s a Brexiteer and, if you’ve noticed, most of the MPs that have been ‘cancelled’, or otherwise vilified for their opinions or alleged actions, are also Brexiteers, or…
(B) being a politician who knows they are in a party about to be defeated, she is establishing her credentials for a run at the inevitable contest as the next party leader.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

I think the lot of option A and a little bit of option B

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She is saying a lot of what most voters think.
But if the men in grey suits want to get rid of her then they will.
If Rishi Sunak sacks her then it will be an indication that we are not being governed by the government, but by the main stream media and that is not democracy.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

There is no ‘democracy’ as we fondly remember it (you recall, one where there was a change of policy with a change of government). Whatever you think of them the decapitations of Corbyn and Truss revealed that different policies are not to be allowed.
But it’s not the MSM that now govern us but those that govern the MSM.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Braverman is right.

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No Exile you are right, there is no democracy and I have said for many years that if voting changed anything, they would stop us from doing it.
By voting we let the political classes off the hook, by giving them someone to blame.
When things go wrong, they can blame the voters for choosing the wrong people to put into power.

There really is no difference in the parties and I think that is because these days the people who become politicians are career politicians…they are not in politics to make things better for us…they just want to make things better for themselves at our expense.

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watching sky news I,m somewhat surprised by the anti protestors and the marchers in support Palestine, I expected most trouble to come from the Palestinian contingency but if the media reports are correct they have been peaceful up and to now

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Look at Reform UK

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Make a change vote for Richard Tice and RE FORME UK

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THATS RUBBISH if they will never get in power.theres too many dickheads in the country DREAM ON.especially in power

Re: Suella Braverman
 

these people calling for suella to be sacked need to take a step back and consider why she should be sacked for saying the truth, first her words the police have not been even handed when they policed different protest marches is true. second her words the palestinian protest march contain hate, is also true I remember london 7th oct seeing the palestinian supporters dancing & rejoicing in the street at the news of the murderous attack on israel, I can not imagine these people full of hate were not present in the march, other people on the march there because of the huge loss of life.
but I don't think these people have considered the alternatives, what are the israelis supposed to do after such a terrorist attack if they do nothing hamas will just keeping attacking israel

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Vote conservative. Vote labour. what do they say about someone who keeps doing something and getting it wrong, and carries on doing the same and expecting a different outcome.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Vote Lib/Lab/Con/SNP/Green/Plaid/SF get WEF + WHO.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Nobody would have taken notice of what she said, however it is the media that has blown it out of all proportion.
Had the media said nowt then it would have been just another ignored comment.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Well, she has been ousted by the men in Grey suits…and This makes Rishi Sunak a puppet who can be manipulated by the media….and the proposed replacement of David Cameron…a failed PM.
This just shows what a very poor shower of fisons we have governing us.

Shells Braverman was saying what a large portion of voters think.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

As an aside…did you see the two police who were cosying up to a child on the March? Who takes a toddler on a March like this ?
The police are politicised. They are not impartial…they are scared of being slapped with the racist label.
They take the knee at BLM marches, but did you see their actions at the Sarah Everard March….how different they were to the white female marchers on that March.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Never was a truer word spoken or written, but Exile you will have a hard time convincing folk.
And then you will have the question…how to break out of the clutches of WEF and WHO…..and there is no answer…we are headed to a global government in which we will have less say than when we were entangled in the EU.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

nauseated by Sunak's spineless action in sacking Suella, I can't vote for Sunak now

Re: Suella Braverman
 

I honestly do NOT know anyone who thinks Braverman is a liar. mind you we know nowt.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Cashy it is not that she is a liar…it is because she told a truth that a lot of us can see, but unfortunately it does not fit the agenda that the political elite have in mind for us.

There are people in power who have an agenda that we are not allowed to know.

She spoke for the people like you and me…on a lot of things that we would like to see dealt with. (Immigration being a big one….and the weakness of policing policy and the judiciary are a couple of others)

There are a lot of left wing loony luvvies whose voices seem to carry more weight than those of us in the real world.
Suella was a Brexiteer….Cameron said he was, but he wasn’t and if he is installed in the post she has been sacked from, then things are not going to improve any time soon.

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F*** Sunak, bring back Boris

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They are replacing those who voted for Brexit by remainers.

How can David Cameron take up a cabinet position when he is not a currently elected MP?
He was a useless PM and he will be a useless foreign secretary.
Has Rishi got spit for brains?
It is looking like he has a death wish.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

While would not have used those words, I think the sentiment is spot on

Re: Suella Braverman
 

I totally understand that but I was just trying to express how frustrated and disillusioned I feel with Sunaks cowardly sacking of the best and most honest member of government, for me he's just committed political suicide, may I say good riddance

Re: Suella Braverman
 

No need to explain.
I get it…I really do.
I have said from the outset that Sunak….who is not the country’s choice for PM, is a Snake and must not be trusted.
This ‘Conservative’ government are nothing of the sort…they aren’t conservative and they are not governing….which is why they wanted to keep us in the EU….they do not want the onerous task of making those hard decisions.
They would happily sit back and let others do that.
Sunak is a puppet being manipulated by a variety of disreputable sources.
Just my opinion…and I say it how I see it.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

But we do know who is.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

If you read the letter that Suella Braverman sent to Rishi Sunak…you know, that coward who sacked her by phone rather than telling her face to face, then you will see that this is a woman with integrity.

She has told it like it is…and she has shot Rishi down in flames and tells him that he is a weak and ineffective man.
A man who is incapable of taking hard decisions. A Man who is nothing more than an occupier of the position.
Someone who makes promises he has no intention of keeping.
In short…A SNAKE!

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Its probably obvious to people who understand all this (not me ) but is there nobody from the Tory benches who could have been Foreign sec rather than Cameron ?

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Well, there might be, but what is happening is that those who supported Brexit are being removed from positions where they might have influence.

Though it seems like these people that we elect are not really the ones who have influence, it is the civil servants who serve governments of every persuasion. Those men who should ne impartial, but clearly are not

They seem to be the ones who pull the strings…yet we are foolish enough to think that we can change things at the ballot box.

There are very very few politicians(this is only my opinion) who have any plausible integrity.
Suella Braverman was one of these and she was following what the electorate voted for. (Her letter to the PM was very telling.)
That cannot be said of the current PM.

Come the general election I am going to be hard pressed to find someone to vote for.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1275508]They are replacing those who voted for Brexit by remainers.

How can David Cameron take up a cabinet position when he is not a currently elected MP?
He was a useless PM and he will be a useless foreign secretary.
Has Rishi got spit for brains?
It is looking like he has a death wish

Good for you Marge, you always say it as it is, please carry on doing so.

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[QUOTE=accybeme;1275507]F*** Sunak, bring back Boris

I cannot agree with the F*** Sunak but I totally agree with the the rest of the sentence.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

looks like who ever wins the next election it's going to be a slow and determined return to european union. the 2019 referendum which both labour & conservatives said they would honour the result, which ever way the result went, both parties lied, we never got anything like what we voted for, freedom from european court of law, freedom to our boundaries, sunak is a snake his days are numbered

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Reform uk

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So Voting changes nothing. It doesn’t matter who you vote for….because the politicians are serviced by civil servants who do their level best to thwart whatever government wants to do…well, that is unless it fits THEIR agenda.
There is no impartiality in these civil servants….and they are not elected by us.

If these civil servants want us back in the EU , then they will do their level best to see that this is what happens.

The mandarins in Westminster never wanted us to leave anyway because it means they have to do some work.
Had we stayed in the EU then all the civics servants have to do is follow the directives.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Watching this play out from a distance (USA) I am reminded of the "Yes Minister" TV series but without the humor and with less that half of the intelligence.

-Joe

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Turns out that show wasn’t a comedy, it was a documentary.:rolleyes:

Re: Suella Braverman
 

i would love reform to get in but theres more chance of being struck by Lightening.theres more chance of me getting elected,i will not vote at all next time.in fact she has more balls than SUNAK.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Cashy voting for Reform will give Keir Starmer the keys to number ten.
It should not be so but that is the reality of things.
The only way for this not to happen is for them to bring in Proportional Representation, but I fear this would be beyond the scope of many voters understanding.

The other thing that may deter some voters is the need to take photographic ID to the polling station to be able to vote.

This was brought in to deter voter fraud, but it ignores the fact that most voter fraud is carried out on postal votes.

Providing photographic ID puts me off. I know…I know!
If I have the voting notification card with my address on it…then that should be enough.
I have yet to see anyone challenge someone in a burka to reveal their face so that their ID can be checked. That may sound racist, but it isn’t…it is just saying there isn’t a level playing field.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

am well awhere of that i said as much. but i refuse to vote for SUNAK so i will not vote at all.

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Cashy, I fully understand that.
I said when Sunak was made PM, he was a sneak and a snake…a back stabber who was not to be trusted.
He has proved this to be true.
He is a hollow politician who has given us only sound bites without any action.
We have had enough of these useless politicians who can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

I think I will find it very difficult to put my x against any name that is put forward…but then again this leaves us at risk of a Labour government.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Cashy, I presume that you are a similar age to me and just saying that you will not vote goes against all the principles and advise that my parents (and) probably yours as well, taught me, the right of everyone in this fantastic country of ours to be able to put our views known and elect a government that the populace really want. if you do not vote then your views do not not count.
and you do not have the right to criticize other people who take the effort to cast their vote whilst you just sit on your A---, and press a few buttons on your keyboard.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

photographic id would disqualify many older people from voting simply because if the no longer drive a car, no longer want to go on holiday abroad
they will have no passport or drivers licence and so no photo id

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Cashy give the lightening a chance

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Cashy,
Not voting for Reform because they’ve no chance of winning is like not supporting Stanley because they’ll never win the Cup.
If a party represents your own ethos and views more than any other, why would you not show you at least agree with them?
Personally I find the SDP’s manifesto(s) the most sensible on most things but they seem incapable of gaining any publicity.
As to those who think the world will be better under Proportional Representation, if you recall we had a referendum on this and voted against it, and there is probably a bigger chance of a woke coalition than one made up of common-sense parties.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

Well, no that is not actually true.The criteria for photographic ID accepted at polling stations includes the bus pass….now most of us oldies have a bus pass.
But, my question is why should we have to provide Photo ID.
Most of the voter fraud is committed by some of the ethnic minorities….and if they want to commit voter fraud they do not do it at polling stations, they do it by using a postal vote.

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The argument for proportional representation is that it would level out the playing field for those lesser parties…not the big two….the lines between these two parties is much less clearly defined than at any other time in the past.
But there are still those who would vote for a monkey if it dressed in the colours of the party they support regardless of their manifesto…we saw that with a certain MP for Hyndburn….all that promise that was wasted.

Oh yes, Manifesto’s….they are not to be trusted are they?

Taddy, I was taught that it was important to vote too….but there have bern times when I have walked down to the polling station and written on my ballot paper ‘none of the above’…or something similar.
This means I have wasted my vote, but I have attended and as much as I can have shown my disappointment with the candidates.

Voting only changes things if those we elect follow through on their promises.
I feel that over the years democracy has become just a facade…a front and a platform for those who wish to follow their own agenda.

The other thing that has to be considered is that civil servants are unelected, but seem to be determining political policy…or if not determining it, definitely manipulating it.

Re: Suella Braverman
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1275654]The argument for proportional representation is that it would level out the playing field for those lesser partiesÂ…not the big twoÂ….the lines between these two parties is much less clearly defined than at any other time in the past.
But there are still those who would vote for a monkey if it dressed in the colours of the party they support regardless of their manifestoÂ…we saw that with a certain MP for HyndburnÂ….all that promise that was wasted.

Oh yes, ManifestoÂ’sÂ….they are not to be trusted are they?

Taddy, I was taught that it was important to vote too….but there have bern times when I have walked down to the polling station and written on my ballot paper ‘none of the above’…or something similar.
This means I have wasted my vote, but I have attended and as much as I can have shown my disappointment with the candidates.

Marge, I have finally come across a paper that I knew that I had but could never find it, it states, and I am quoting as I am reading it, the writer "Francis Ween" described the 1970s as the "Golden age of British Paranoia"
When a number of right-wing Military figures, angry about trade union militancy, began building "civil defence groups, which it was feared were effectively private armies.
In a 2006 BBC documentary, former Army and security officials talked cheerfully about having urged a military takeover of this country.
This was after the Daily Mirror owner Cecil King called a meeting of establishment luminaries, in which he called for the elected government to be replaced by an administration led by Lord Mountbatten, who present at the meeting but refused and the conspiracy went nowhere.
I had heard about this conspiracy myself in the 1970s from mates who joined the Army and later from workmates who were Ex Squaddies'.
If Sir Stammer's, lefties (yes I meant that spelling mistake), ever come to power, The above (conspiracy?) could come to pass. (I will refrain from saying hopefully), let folk think into that as they will.

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Taddy, that is an interesting theory….there is very weak government and anarchy on the streets.

Mark Rowley thinks there is nothing illegal about the desecration of monuments ( you do not need to damage something to desecrate it, you just have to disrespect what it stands for).

If these huge volumes of people who are marching in favour of Hamas were football supporters…or were marching against the injustice like the women marchers against the policeman who raped and murdered a woman….do you think he would be so lenient? Because I don’t. So how is this policing fair? The answer is…it isn’t. It has been politicised.

The reason for the lenience is that many of these marchers are Muslims.
Many of these marchers (though not all) have adopted this country as their home.
But they want to re-create their country on our island.

I am just stating how I see these things…and that may constitute a hate crime….why?
Because it is considered that racial hatred can only be about people of colour.

I am not a racist. I have worked alongside people of all colours and creeds. I have respected their views and their values, but I do not see much of this respect coming in my direction.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1275656]Taddy, that is an interesting theory….there is very weak government and anarchy on the streets.

Mark Rowley thinks there is nothing illegal about the desecration of monuments ( you do not need to damage something to desecrate it, you just have to disrespect what it stands for).

If these huge volumes of people who are marching in favour of Hamas were football supporters…or were marching against the injustice like the women marchers against the policeman who raped and murdered a woman….do you think he would be so lenient? Because I don’t. So how is this policing fair? The answer is…it isn’t. It has been politicised.

The reason for the lenience is that many of these marchers are Muslims.
Many of these marchers (though not all) have adopted this country as their home.
But they want to re-create their country on our island.

I am just stating how I see these things…and that may constitute a hate crime….why?
Because it is considered that racial hatred can only be about people of colour.

I am not a racist. I have worked alongside people of all colours and creeds. I have respected their views and their values, but I do not see much of this respect coming in my direction.

Oh Marge, I am not and have never been a "so-called" racist, I have worked with people of different nationalities and different religions all my working life but, a Muslim person bought the oldest public house in Huncoat, aca the Black Bull pub two or three years ago, which is next door to where Hazel and I have lived for over forty years, ,I, by the way have lived in this village, for over seventy years and the council have allowed, this person to buy one of the dwindling areas of greenery in the village and yet they state in their propaganda that that are going to create, (a Huncoat Garden Village), What a load of Labour Party -RAP, is that.

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After saying that, The land in question is between his newly acquired property ? and Hazels and my house, which I have always been told carries the utilities, i.e. Gas, Electric, Water mains, that supply our property but time will tell.