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I refer to the article in todays Observer, regarding fly tipping within the Hyndburn area. Although the council will not accept it, the fact is ,FLY TIPPING is on the increasein a big way. The reason's?, well. I drive a nice expensive car. I dont like taking it to the tip and driving it through the mud and rubbish regularly found on the approach. Neither do I like leaving it as a target for idiots in town centre car parks. I therefore drive about most of the time in a small van. I use it to shop, to go fishing to go golfing etc. Theonly thing I cant do with it is take rubbish to the tip.
Well thats not strictly true, I can take rubbish to the tip if I first make the following arrangements. I need to ring for a permit to take my van to the tip. I need to explain exactly what I intend to tipand the date and time of attendance. I also need to give full details of my van annd make a declaration that the rubbish is purely household and not commercial rubbish.
I personally would not fly tip but I toyally understand people who do.
I was recently in a position where I had to clear my late mothers house, she lived in HBC sheltered accomodation and after her passing I was given less than a week to return the keys to her house. Local charities did not have roiom to take the larger pieces of furniture so I spoke to HBC. I asked if I could use my van and take the furniture to the tip. "NOT WITHOUT APPLYING FOR A PERMIT SIR". But i need to empty your property within the next few days. I asked if the council could then collect the furniture. "WE CAN COLLECT UP TO 6 PIECES" oh good. When "UP TO TEN WORKING DAYS" but I only have a few days to empty the premises. "WELL EMPTY THEM INTO THE FRONT GARDEN AND WE WILL COLLECT WHEN WE CAN"
What would be the cost of sending a lorry and probably two men to collect the furniture and take it to where I was volunteering to take it for free.
IS IT ANY WONDER THAT OUR SO CALLED BEAUTY SPOTS ARE BECOMING GROT SPOTS BECAUSE OF THE STUPID ATTITUDE OF OUR LOCAL AUTHORITY . Come on HBC wake up and smell the coffee.

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apparently you can tow a single axle trailer with a saloon car, but dont try a double axle. DONT KNOW WHAT DIFFERENCE IT MAKES. I have seen single axle trailers twice the size of some doubles.

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At least you expressed your opinions to the tip attendant most people are just dumping the rubbish in a quiet lane and saying nothing

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When these so called elected representatives sit and make these stupid and inapropriate rules does noone say . But what if this anwhat if that, so that adult thinking is odopted and transcribed to the piont under discusion

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Soory about the spelling

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Are you talking about the local tip, winney hill.

Is that not run by LCC subbed out to one of the big companies :confused:

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probably is but to us its just a local tip where responsible people have taken their excess rubbish for years because they want the environment in which they live , (and pay their council tax) to be a clean and pleasant area where our kids can grow up and enjoy what could be a very very nice area.

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Sita..............

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more like S-ita

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and then you get all the S-ITA

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wheelie bins are to blame for the increase in fly tipping

its ok for a 2 person household to use wheelie bins under the current rules but once you got kids especialy babys you need more than 1 pick up every 2 weeks

the more people that fly tip the happier i will be because eventualy hydburn council would have to admit they were wrong and start clearing rubbish away weekly again

they would be upset if we only paid for 1 in every 2 weeks council tax

yeah i know some of you will be saying but were supposed to recycle well personaly i dont have room in my house for 2 bags for recycling, 1 huge box and my normal bin and anyway who the hell gave the council the right to demand i recycle

any over flow i have gets thrown down the back alley in a black bags ( making sure nothing with name and adress is in there)

yeah its wrong but if hyndburn council collected weekly i wouldnt have to do it and ime not alone in doing this hundreds of people in accy are doing it i was told by the rubbish inspector who then arranges it to be cleared up making a second visit needed which should be happening in the first place

feel free to condem me if you like but ime betting ime not the only one here doing this i would rather have a back alley stinking of rubbish than my kitchen the place where i preppare food for my family

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I agree but they expect us to follow their recycling rules but the conditions they place on that recycling make it very difficult. The green bin is not emptied in winter, but when do you prune all your shrubs back and when do you have tons of leaves in your garden. Its a real mess the whole issue.

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They empty my wheelie bin every week, the recycling they do every other week. It's usually full to the brim and I do recycle. We often have to take extras up to the tip.

All my bags and box and bin live in my back yard which severely limits the space because all I have for a back yard is a path to the gate and a bit round the bottom leading to what used to be the old binhole.

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i threw out a load of brown cardboard boxes all flattened like they asked

i came home to find it all over my street and when i rang to complain i asked whi it hadnt been taken

oh we dont take brown cardboard in the bags they said

i asked well was it nessecary to throw it all over the street and i was told it was because they were probably looking for white paper

no reason given why they didnt pick up what they threw though

they also refuse to take glass milk bottles now claiming we should return them to the shop

ime betting a counciler has taken a back hander payment from the milk people because they loose money replacing bottles

much cheaper to bribe a counciler than replace hundreds of bottles each week i bet lol

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I filled my green bin with sod that I dug out when I put in a new path (GARDEN WASTE) I put the bin out and sat and watched because it was quite heavy. When they came the first man tried, and made some comment to his mates, two more came and looked, then the first hooked the bin up to the wagon and climbed up to examine what came out of the bin. Then they talk about jobsworth.

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i once took an old monitor to the tip and was imidiatley asked if it works which it did i had just upgraded my monitor size and wanted rid of the old one

yes i replied and the guy smiled eagerly and took me over to a special pile where all the stuff that can be sold is stored i guess

put it there m8 he said so i threw it as hard as i could taking out a few items of his precious collection with the monitor and politly said oops its a good job all this stuff is rubbish

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Did you take it in your car a van or a trailer

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That doesn't make sense.

I was told I can't have a green bin because I haven't got a garden. I've got this thing in front of my house with a tree and some shrubbery and stuff in but apparently that isn't a garden.

Now when I prune the bushy things in my non-garden I have a considerable amount of garden waste which I am not permitted to put in my wheelie bin, but as I don't have a bin for garden waste what am I supposed to do with it?

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took it in my friends van but we parked outside and carried our bits in to avoid charge

i wonder how much liverpool and manchester are getting chared to tip as they send all their binwaggons to accy to be emptied

no point stinking up your own city when accy will take your waste :rolleyes:

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A friend of mine (who, incidentally, works for HBC) rang them and asked them to remove a washer, they said they would come within 5 working days.

For security reasons she did not want to leave the back gate unlocked for all this time, so said she would put it outside her back gate for collection. She was then advised that this was fly-tipping and could result in a fine.
As the washer was neither impeding access, nor looking unsightly , how can this be called fly tipping, especially when she had informed the relevant departments of it's location?

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Why cant the tip authorities , instead of making all these stupid rules and conditions, reserve one day a week. maybe sunday for responsible people to dispose of their rubbish at the tip no matter how they choose to bring it in. Surely this would lighten the administrative load on the authority, and the workforce. This would also ensure that less commercial waste is taken as they would not be working.

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This is a load of rubbish.

The council must made made to have a consistent rule that applies to rubbish, and that the rules must be fair and reasonably applied.

I know I say this a lot, but in Germany, there are rules that cannot be broken. If the tip does nor accept your rubbish they must give you a signed and stamped document that says so. It prevents corruption, and stupid bureaurats applying the rules as they interpret them. The latest rule is that every houshold gets a set of coupons that can be applied to the amount and type of rubbish that can be disposed of.

For example 2 coupons for a cubic meter of carpet, 1 coupon for a chair etc., etc.

There are no arguements, and no discussions. either you have the coupons or you pay the disposal costs in cash!

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That's fair enough, but they only thing I can say to that lot is, I'm glad I don't live in Germany................WOW
:engsmil: :engsmil: :engsmil:
Good job we have our recycling centre on Whinney Hill, you can take your household rubbish up there 7 days a week and the cost is.............zulch.............NOTHING
So why do people continue to "Fly Tip" sorry don't understand why they do it. I could say more but.............might get in to trouble with that one ;)

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hmm interesting theory about tokens but ime pretty sure refuse collection is part of the council tax bill so shouldnt they take rubbish away period...?

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[QUOTE=park381]Yes it is, thats Hyndburn we're talkin about, they also have a special collection service for all those things you can't get in the wheelie bin, cookers, fridges, freezers(note these now need de-gassing before disposal)furniture etc. May be the collection service takes anything up to 14 days to activate or collect, but they do collect...........sooner or later ;)[/QUOTE

yeah but if you put a black binliner full of waste food etc next to your wheelie bin they will empty the wheelie bin and leave the black bag for the rats and cats to play with

the only difference between the rubbish in the wheelie bin and the rubbish next to it is that 1 black bag is not in the wheelie bin but the rest are

the whole thing seems very petty on the councils part i even offered ro buy my own second wheelie bin and they said the would also refuse to empty that as well

i dont know what area you live in but my area has become a lot dirtier since wheelie bins came to be because the council leave peoples bags on the back alleys and the wind blows it all overthe street front which means they have to come and clean it up

seems to be much simpler and cheaper to take all the rubbish no natter what its in

no wonder our council tax bill is so high because they have to do the same job twice

just my 2 cents

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[QUOTE=chav1]I live in an area where I need to "drop" the wheelie down two steep steps, then run along to the end of the back street and park it with numberous other wheelie's, not thinking about the person that can't get his car out the garage cause all the wheelies are lined up in front of his garage, but I do as others with the black bags that won't fit in to my wheelie. Lift all the lids on the others and place any extra "black bags" in their wheelie's. The wheelies are scheduled to be on parade by 7:30AM HBC instruction, they are not emptied until near lunch time, and I must add all rubbish is removed and the wheelies lined up so neat it's a picture to see.Then anything up to 8pm at night you can hear people taking their wheelies back home, to rest until the next collection :angel:
I rest my Wheelie :bleedht: :bleedht: :bleedht:

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I spend quite a bit of time in Australia and they have the same rules and regulations over there......such as, if the lid of the wheelie bin is not closed properly it isn't emptied....deemed as overfull. They recycle too and the garbage guys are just asawkward over there... if anything is in the wrong coloured bin it doesn't get emptied and then if you take the stuff that the binmen didn't collect to the tip yourself you are charged $10(about £4). It isnt as if the binmen over there have any lifting to do at all, it is all automated and there are marks outside the houses where the bins must be placed or the wagon will not pick them up. This is in Melbourne, I don't know if it is the same in other parts. It does seem to be a universal gripe.

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Seems that way, we all have a problem with "household waste" and the recycle bit. But why are Manchester and other areas tipping at Whinney Hill, are all their "big holes" full.

The sooner they fill in Whinney Hill, the sooner they'll build houses on it. More CT for HBC
;)

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HBC sold the tip to a private company it is no longer ownde by the council so the council now have to pay to empty the bin waggons

only HBC could sell a hole full of crap

other departments are or have been taken over by private companies so eventualy instead of having a workforce HBC will be paying a company to do the work like repairs to council houses which i can see forcing our council tax bills even higher

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Ha, but think about it it's in Hyndburn, an when its full of "crap"...........someone will build houses on it...........who gets the rewards HBC with the CT :eek:
On the repairs to council houses, a private company would do repairs cheaper than HBC.............not as many "deadlegs"........sorry I meant "overheads":cool:

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the companies wont be cheaper because the terms are that they keep everyone and also keep their wages the same and other stuff like full paid sick leave so the companies have to charge the council enough to keep paying high wages and also that little bit more to run at a proffit

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perhaps you didnt read what i said correctly

they have to keep the current wage levels , so this means they cant pay minimum wage like other private companys did

the companys the councli lost tenders to in the past paid minimum wages , no full paid sick pay , no holiday pay as they usualy employed people on a self employed basis and other ways of keping costs down

now hynburn council have probably sold these departments with a contract stating that the counclil must continue to use the people who buy out these departments so that they dont just sell the departments and go to the previously mentioned cheaper companies who pay minimum wages etc

either way we all loose apart from the councilor who decides which company takes over as he or she will probably recieve a nice backhander from the winning buyer unless we actualy have honest councilors/polititians LMAO

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No, I think I read your post correctly, on the point of minimum wages paid by private companies, if that is the case then the private company can provide the same service but cheaper, the fact that minimum wages are paid does not matter as long as the end user of the service, gets as good a service as previous.
Your other point regarding the transfer of staff with a "service" contract, that is now law, it came from the EU.

I don't think that any one councillor would get that chance, think anything like that would be done via the "Tender " process.

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well as someone who knows plenty of people who work for the council i think i can safely say the wages etc will still be the same and they will still be doing all the councils work so no matter how cheap the other companies are they will not be doing work for the council as the new owners of the councils department have the contract

the dapartments that have not yet switched ownership will be doing so later this year and those departments will still be doing the work for the council for the forseeable future

take my word for it or dont :rolleyes:

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What you are saying here is I think.
The ownership of the council department, is changing hands (a new private company) and the council workforce are being transferred to the new company on the same wages, doing the same work for the new company, as they did for the council. Whilst working for the "new company" the ex-councils workforce will be on the same terms and conditions as they were with the council......for a period of time. take my word for that, I can say the same thing happened at Blackburn with Darwen, when CAPITA came along, all the workers that transferred over to CAPITA have now had their terms and conditions changed, so beware, tell your friends to read the small print, and ask the questions of their new employers. "Is there a clause in their contract, that will allow the new employer to change their terms and conditions at a later date.
Only trying to be helpful ;)

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i will inform them of what you suggest i couldnt quite make out what you were talking about the first time

update:

just rang my m8 and he says after 90 days his wages will go up but he will have to cover manchester as well as hyndburn

i sppopse like all jobs it depends how good your boss is as to how well you get paid

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That's no problem, goina be doin a lot of travelling is your mate. out of interest which department is it. It's OK if you don't want to say.
Your mate may find himself workin down manchester more than he's workin in hyndburn. Has he found out what the present employees on the same job are paid (the new company)
Needs to take care.