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I cannot believe that no one has yet posted their views on the Michael Jackson case! Where do I start?? Try this... http://channels.aolsvc.co.uk/news/article.adp?id=20050130172409990005

Does any Accyweb member know of ANY 40 plus men that can give ANY excuse for bedding young teenagers...and getting away with it???

I thought M. Jackson was the bees knees as a lad, loved his music, and albums like "Thriller" and "Bad" showed that his talent outlasted "boyhood" and showed he was a worldwide megastar...........

They say (in this country at least) innocent until proven guilty but he has already admitted to sleeping with children, YES, families are after his money but this should not detract from the reality which is that he is a dangerous pervert that needs to be put away! If he is found to be innocent, many others will follow in his footsteps to corrupt children and quote his court case as a defence!

He thinks he has Gods "blessing" to go to bed with children, I just hope that he does not have "America's" blessing!!

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Whether he is guilty or not appears to be irrelevant, it is my guess that, like O.J. Simpson , he will get off scot free. Though I think that the estimated duration of this trial, of six months, is optimistic to say the least. Whatever the eventual verdict, his career, such as it is now , is ruined.

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When I first saw the Martin Bashir interview where Michael Jackson said that it was a beautiful thing to share your bed with someone I realised that he just doesn't understand that this is not acceptable behaviour, whether he has actually molested the children or not. In a way I can understand how he doesn't realise this because he lives a cocooned existence cut off from the normality of life. What I don't understand is how the parents of these children can accept it as "normal" behaviour!

Just because it's Michael Jackson that makes it OK for him to sleep with children? I'm sure those very same parents would be totally horrified if Joe Bloggs down the road invited their son for an overnight "pyjama party" in his bedroom. They need to "translate" the situation into something closer to home like that and stop looking at Michael Jackson as if he is some kind of fairy tale non-human.

By his own admission he is guilty of inapprpriate behaviour and if it turns out that he has also sexually molested the children then I hope justice is done and that people finally realise that this isn't a case of people trying to make money out of him. I couldn't understand the parents of Jordy Chandler when they accepted a cash payout. No amount of millions would have satisfied me.

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micheal jackson has stated that he wouldhbe dead than goto jail

after all these years we agree on somthing lol

if found guilty he desrves to die

on the side that he may be innocent plenty of parents willingly sent their children to his home knowing exactly what happens at his home

he has stated many times that the children sleep in his bed with him and still parents sent their children there probably hoping to blackmail millions out of him like that other kid did

i watche a program where phone recordings were played of the father of that kid who got millions telling micheal jackson to pay up millions or he would take him to court and make sure his reutation was wrecked

personaly i think that kid was told to lie by his father and groomed as to what to say by lawers

again if they do have REAL proof that he physicaly or sexualy assaulted a child then he deserves to die

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If michael jackson is found guilty, does that not say a lot about the state of his mental health. Inside his own head he is still a child, so see's nothing wrong with what he has been doing.But being mentaly ill is no excuse.If found guilty of sexual abuse then throw the book at him, and if innocent get him help.Either way he is now a ruined man.I myself can not decide if he is guilty or not, because he is so screwed up. Just glad i'm not on the jury.

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By his own admission he is "guilty" of sleeping with young boys. Without even consulting the children involved or the parents of the children involved there is something seriously wrong with a man in his 40s sleeping with young boys.

If anyone else were to admit to doing that the immediate reaction would be one of horrified disgust.

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Has he addmited to having sex with the boys willow, if so, stop the trial and save the taxpayers millions of dollars and have the ****** castrated then sentanced to death.

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A lot of people who are on his side tend to dwell on his child-like qualities. However, this man is an adult and knows right from wrong. We all have some child-like traits, I like to watch a good Disney film now and then, some of us like the fairground and roller coasters, some of us like to play make believe and games with our own children and it's nice sometimes to do the childish things. It makes us cast aside the everyday worries of adult life. Ultimately though, we are adults and we should know where the line is and how not to cross it. One of the main differences between an adult and a child is that adults are capable of seeing consequences for their actions, whereas children, especially young children are not. That is something that is learned as life progresses. Mr Jackson is a multi-millionaire and idol to a lot of people. You do not get such a status by not having a head on your shoulders. I believe he knew full well what he was doing and what the consequences would be if caught.:cool:

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This is another huge media circus. This mans career went down the gurgler some time ago......maybe he will get off scot free and then perhaps he will resurface as a performer, boosted by all the FREE publicity. Personally, I think he is sick in the head.

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Is it being televised over here in the UK?

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But is that down to the lawyers/parents grooming them?

And as far as language goes, there are kids younger than my eldest that have a wider range of the lesser-used vocabulary (in our house anyway). That is definitely down to the parents...

I am still undecided on this case. Michael Jackson said that he only slept in the same bed as them, that nothing actually happened. I am probably not that good a judge of character, but I found myself believing him, implausible though it sounds.

Maybe he feels he is trying to relive his lost childhood, but is going the wrong way about it.


Hell, I go to bed and most nights nothing happens - I sleep, then I wake up! Then the kids come in and jump on me!!!

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I dont know wether he is guilty or not, time will tell but at the moment I personally am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I may be dubbed as closing my eyes to the situation but I cannot see how a man that is prepared to spend millions of dollars to make terminally ill kids enjoy the last few days of their lives at his home, enjoying anything that makes them happy, could abuse other kids. Yes he has been very stupid and ignored the warnings of previous events, but I still would not like to be on the jury and have to make a definate decision.

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Yeah, maybe....... but would you take someone elses children and allow them to sleep in the same bed as you. The only way to be above suspicion is not to do it.
I would certainly be suspicious if a child of mine said they had been taken to bed by a non related adult.

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I agree but going back to the interviw and film done with Opra Winfrey The kids were never alone in the bedroom with him. Several kids just chilled and lay wherever they wanted to do in the room. I thought at the time that Winfrey is quite an astute and worldly woman who, i'm sure would have been alerted then if she thought their was a problem.

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The Authorities in the States must have some pretty good evidence to bring a case.....but again I think it is just a huge media circus, and it will probably have a similar outcome to the OJ thing.

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How do you get an unbiased jury for something of this scale.?.....you would have to have been living on the moon not to have heard something about the case.

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i THINK THE DIFFICULTY WILL BE THAT WITH A TRIAL THAT IS FORCAST TO LAST 6 MONTHS ONLY TWO TYPES OF JURORS WILL BE AVAILABLE. 1.THE WELFARE CASES WHO WISH TO BE FED AND WATERED FOR 6 MONTHS, WITH EXPENCES. AND 2. THOSE WHO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THEY WERE ON THE JACJSON JURY, AND THE OUTCOME REALLY DOES NOT MATTER TO THEM.

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you could well be right there. There must be a helluva lot of evidence if they think the trial will last so long.

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Only Time Will Tell Watch This Space As They Say .x

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I might just fall asleep.....wake me up when the jury comes back!

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Vorlon, I don't think you quite understood what I meant there. Those kids didn't just use words to refer to intimate parts of the body - if that was all then yes you'd be perfectly correct in saying that they would probably know those words anyway and not have learned them from him. What I said was that they have been able to describe those parts. i.e. they must have seen them in order to be able to describe specific characteristics which then were confirmed by police investigation. This means that at the very least they must have seen him naked.

Yes, I see your point here and I even saw his point when he said it, but would anyone, even the parents of those children, be happy for their sons to sleep in the same bed as any other middle aged man? I certainly wouldn't.
Yes, I think you've hit one particular nail on the head here. He does sound as if he is trying to recreate a childhood he never had and he doesn't seem to have any perception of what is and is not acceptable in normal society.

Ah yes, but in this case they are your kids and they jump on you in the morning when you wake up. My girls do the same with me but I would never, never, never dream of inviting someone else's daughter to share my bed!

Also it was interesting to note psychologists' analyses of the Martin Bashir interview where the boy was holding Michael Jackson's hand and gazing up at him with puppy dog eyes.

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Lets Face It A Kid Will Always Have Puppy Dog Eyes With A Superstar Host

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I tend to agree with that because I don't think they'd have gone to all this trouble for nothing. It sounds like they'd been waiting to pounce again ever since Jordy Chandler was paid off.

Presumably they couldn't act until someone else complained.

We have no idea what they found when they raided the Neverland ranch but it must have convinced them it was worthwhile going ahead with things. I don't think they'll be able to find people who haven't heard of Michael Jackson in the very least and presumably also will have heard of the previous complaint and pay-off and quite probably the Martin Bashir interview too. What the members of the jury will have to be able to do is judge only on the evidence presented to them in court and not on any preconcieved ideas which is going to be tricky.

Personally I feel that so far we have no evidence that he has abused any child physically or that he has had a sexual relationship with any underaged youth, but what we do have is a man in his 40s going to bed with (even if that only involves sleeping with) young boys to whom he is not related and at least one of those boys has seen him naked and been able to describe his anatomy in enough detail to convince the police that he has seen him naked.

Now for me that is just not acceptable. It's not normal and it shouldn't have happened.

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i KNOW AND AGREE BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING WHAT HAPPENED AS I SAID EARLIER I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT .

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Well I presume we'll learn more as the case progresses. If I were on the jury I would make my decision based on what happens in court. That is all they can do.

It's interesting that his good friend Uri Geller said that he advised him not to sleep with the boys but he didn't take the advice.

Referring to an entirely different person who has openly admitted having an inappropriate sexual relationship with a child he explained it by saying it was an expression of his love for the child, that sharing bodies was the most meaningful thing to show love. Well yes it is, but not love between a child and an adult. That is an expression of love between two adults. I just use that as an illustration of how a paedophile can have a totally different understanding of normality.

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I trhink we totally agree on all counts shall we put ourselves forward for 6 months in the USA

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Do you think we can get it all expenses paid? ;)

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that would be very nice

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somthing to do while we wait for the verdict :D

http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=399

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that is sick. (but good fun)

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I was doing well till it went dark.lol

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I think Mj is guilty of being a pedophile, a group that does not believe that they are doing anything wrong in sleeping with children, as such he sees nothing wrong with his behavior, Wether he will be found guilty of not is probably irrelevant , he needs to be stopped though how I'm not sure. Where are his children during all this ? Hopefully nowhere near him Pam

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I am still undecided on this case. Michael Jackson said that he only slept in the same bed as them, that nothing actually happened. I am probably not that good a judge of character, but I found myself believing him, implausible though it sounds.

Certainly in this country (U.K.), for downloading child porn from the internet a pervert can get up to 10 years in jail AND THAT IS WITHOUT MOLESTING ANYONE!! So M. Jackson ACTUALLY climbed into bed with underage children (he admits it) and exposed himself to the children (overwelming statements) He is guilty of that if nothing else.

My prediction is a jail term of 7 years! (that will be 20 years less than he deserves)

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Even if "nothing happened" how on earth can it be normal for a young boy to sleep in the same bed as a middle aged stranger?

If this was some guy in Accy doing this wouldn't we be up in arms about it? Why does the fact that he is famous make it OK?

I watched a program on TV last night (when I really should have been in bed) which included some interviews with people who had been Michael Jackson's "special friends" but once they reached puberty he didn't want to know them any more. The phone calls suddenly stopped and he avoided them and moved on to another "special friend". There was even a family who had had him staying in their home and sharing their son's bed. Now that I find impossible to understand. There is no way he would ahve shared a room with a child of mine let alone a bed.

It wasn't actually any of the children or their families who had reported him to the police. It was a psychologist who had watched the Martin Bashir program and had seen, in his actions and in the things which were spoken about, the signs of a paedophile and she spoke to the authorities about her concern.

It seems that his family has expressed concern to Michael over 20 years ago but he ignored them. Sister Janet was on there defending him and saying that he wouldn't change his behaviour because he was innocent of any wrong doing.

I find the whole idea of a man in his 40s playing with little boys in preference to adult friendships and sleeping in the same bed with them to be very, very creepy.

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The man is weird. Agreed he did not have a normal childhood, but that is no excuse. He has carried plastic surgery over into self-mutilation. His attitude towards his own chlidren is abnormal, look at how he insisted on their being veiled to go to the zoo!

There must be some evidence, it would not have passed the Grand Jury otherwise.

Whilst most normal people would not allow their children into such a situation, there are those who would do anything for a brush with fame and money, even as far as putting their children at risk.

Sadly the whole thing is going to be a media circus, and a conviction is far from certain. However, at least it may stop his pretty little ways, even if he gets off. If he was not rich and famous, he would have been sectioned years ago!

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Last week i was undecided on his guilt or not, but after watching the programe about him and his friends last night i have had a change of opinion, Guilty!

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i will be very surprised if he does not get at least 1 jail term, i think he will go down for quite a while

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Just been sent this ..........