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does anybody ere see the point in doing history and r.e at school its pointless.

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not history it's boring

re can be interesting sometimes but is a laugh if your teacher can't control u (miss diggins @ st chris's)

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it is funny when you annoy mr beard as he gets so annoyed (st chrisis) once me literally drag someone out of the room and he was totally tomato red in the face when he came back in and the kid came back in shouting "im getting you done" so mr beard chased vhim all the way down the corridor. we were on the floor laughing.

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What is it with R.E teachers and not being able to control their pupils, we had two at MOORHEAD and hey both could'nt. Mrs. lavar and her technicolour jumpers and guitar, my Mcaffrey that we could'nt work out if he was homosexual or giving Mrs.lavar one.

But we had a history teacher called Mr. clayton now you would'nt mess with him, I have never come across such a stern person in my life, but I actually learned thing in the lesson because of it.

French teacher was soft had her crying alot of times. She was called Mrs. williamson, used to go and get her husband to sort us out, who was just down the corridor teaching art (also a stern man, but not as bad as mr.clayton no-way)

Then for business studies we wigfield (sorry Mrs chippendale) had her cying a few times.

Then the other french teacher MISS PARKINSON, now I have never come across such a nervous person (suppose we made it worse).

It made me chuckle the other day though, the french teacher mrs. williamson must have had it bad, because she is now a care assistant for an agency that our work place used last week, when she walked in I nearly died (but chuckled and thought mmmmmm gonna get your husband on me if I make you cry now)hehehehehehehe

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Dean what was the name of that english teacher that used to always cry cause the pupils were ohrrible and she couldn't control the class

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history is there to remind us of our mistakes so we dont repeat them and religeon is te foundation we should use to build our principles , morals and lives upon..












nah who am i kidding both those subjects are crap lol

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History teaches us where we came from and how we arrived at the situation we are currently in. It helps us to understand who we are and how we relate to the rest of the world. I'm surprised at the lack of historical knowledge young people today have.

I'm not sure where I stand regarding R.E. If it's a generalised subject where children are taught about the various religious beliefs of different people then I think it's as valid as any other subject such as geography. I do have qualms when it comes to teaching one set of religious beliefs unless of course we're talking about a church school in which case you'd expect Catholicism to be taught in a Catholic school etc.

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RE - crap

History - Brilliant

my favourite and least favourite subjects at school.

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History is good, we have Mr Mchale (moorhead), do you remember him slinky

RE is absolute crap, its boring, if i wanted to be a vicar then fair enough but i dont lol

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RE is a waste of time at secondary school. If you havn't learnt moral values by then, you don't have a cat in hells chance of learning them anyway :) (Even tho Mrs.Atherton at Mount Carmel was a great teacher \o/)

This the same Luke that went to St marys ossy? This is Andrew if you remember me.. :p

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No I don't remember him cafu (was drunk most of the time though)

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How to copy the Cafod website for coursework.. erm.. ;)

Well we learnt mainly about Christianity in the last two years of Mount Carmel, we did coursework on Pilgrims who visit sites such as lourdes where Mary was supposed to have shown herself to Bernadette. I used to just get very bored in RE and ended up coming out with a very low grade (E) when I was predicted A, simply because it was so boring and half of it you had to make up rather than learning fact :p

Doing the first module of A-level physics (Particle Physics) made me think about religion so much more, on how the world could have been founded, the big bang and such. Made me think more in a week than I did in RE for five years. :D

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You sound like a natural philosopher. :)

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RE has nothing to do with learning moral values. What do you think your parents are for?

RE is the study of Religion, whether it be Christianity, Islam, or whatever.

Well, it was when I was at school.

But then, we were allowed to have snowball fights then as well.

How things change...

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Dosn't religion have a lot to do with your personal moral valus tho too? Plus yes like you said, a lot seems to have changed, lots gets chucked in to the syllabus, but i'd have thought one of the main parts of RE was treating your neighbours well etc.. Just depends how you interpret it I guess :)

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I thought that the letters RE still stood for Religious Education.

Has this changed as well?

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I don't think that religion has made any difference to my own personal morals.
I am not religious in the slightest and never have been, but I think I have good morals and am a good person. Morals are mainly taught to you by your parents, your teachers, life in general ect......... I think it is the world in general that teaches us morals.

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I think you get your moral values from your upbringings which usually means parents and grandparents.

People can have good moral values without following any particular religion.

I also thought that R.E. was meant to teach about a religion or comparative religions as an academic subject.

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Well hm. I guess here comes my little theory on how God exists in a different sense to me, or dosn't exist as it may be..

I belive that we are born with the thought of God somewhere in our brains, as sort of an instinct. I think it's natures way of morals and what not, yes you get taught them by parents and whatever, but theres a point where you become self aware of the morals even at an early age.. This 'instinct' helps us live our lives in a good way (most of us) and basicly, we arnt walking in God's garden, we are walking in his house, God is the world.. he IS the creation.. blah.. i'm rambling :)

Don't ask anyone to agree with me, just thats my opinion (although somewhat shortened down ):)

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Interesting. I think I follow that. Where does it go wrong though from having the correct moral values?

Where do the baddies come into it? I'm thinking of one particular family that I know who seem to have no moral values whatsoever and the young son was proud of his older brother being in jail.

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History is a fascinating subject - if it's taught in the right way. History is about life and the way it was lived. It's about how you and your country became what you are. It's not HIS story - it's YOURS. Look behind the "dry" facts, the dates, the wars etc. and look at the people who were part of it all. The people who fought at Waterloo were just like you. They had homes and families and rents to pay and food to provide. Look at the Industrial Revolution - it's about your ancestors, especially in Lancashire because Cotton played such a big part in it. Did you grandparents live through WW1 or WW2? They are part of History - and so are you.

Just a thought, but what's so good about making a teacher cry? Is it funny if a teacher makes a pupil cry?

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top bloke mr mchale or curley toes as we called him ( behind his back of course) lol

history was good until it got onto ww1 and ww2 thaty had to be the vrappest most boring history subjects in teh world

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I'm not that great at expressing myself so I forgive if you don't fully understand what I mean :), my friend translated it to another way of seeing it..
God is an instinct... therefore, due to natural selection, those who have morals survive better, therefore it's simply an off shoot of evolution
Oh course, the baddies can still get by :) I don't really have a very good explaination for it yet.. ;) That's extreamly interesting as I'd never thought about that, however I will now :p *gets thinking*

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[QUOTE=Just a thought, but what's so good about making a teacher cry? Is it funny if a teacher makes a pupil cry?[/QUOTE]
They're not allowed to do that anymore or the little darlings will sue them!

When I was at school corporal punishment had already been abolished so the teachers were wide open to this sort of abuse but funnily enough it was only the kids in the remedial classes(TAFC) that did it.

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[QUOTE=Alice]My point was IF you read it!! that in history I learnt more because the teacher could actually control the class. So before you start with ''why do you think it is funny??'' atitude, I was'nt insinuating that it WAS GOOD to make teachers cry.

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It made me chuckle the other day though, the french teacher mrs. williamson must have had it bad, because she is now a care assistant for an agency that our work place used last week, when she walked in I nearly died (but chuckled and thought mmmmmm gonna get your husband on me if I make you cry now)hehehehehehehe[/QUOTE]
He he he?

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mrs wittam the year 9's took her clock down and hid it and she had a break down

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no it still means religious education or RE

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He he he?[/QUOTE]
YES BECAUSE BELIEVE ME IT DIDN'T TAKE MUCH!! not by me personally but there were some evil gits that did manage to. And anyway why become a teacher of nasty teenagers if you know that you are not up to disciplining them, I know I couldn't therefore I WOULDN'T.
If they find your weaknesses they have got you by the short and curles, just how teenagers are I suppose.

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I'd hate to be a teacher these days. When I was at school there was real discipline and no pupil would ever have had the chance to make a teacher cry. I've got enough on my hands with a Sunday school class.

I understand what you mean slinky about the teacher who was most strict being the one you remember for having actually taught you something.

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That was my point willow (not the cr'''p about crying)........omg believe me that man's name will haunt me for the rest of my life, but the funny thing is I HAD ALOT OF RESPECT FOR HIM and so did the rest of the school. He used to make you take your coat off ''OUT SIDE HIS CLASSROOM'' stand and wait to be told to ENTER, stand behind your chairs til he said it was ok to sit.......so on and so on. Can't ever remember him having to shout, think he just had that look on his face ''cross me I will kill you'' sort of thing. I mean back in the earlier times what he was doing was the norm for pupils. But in our day it was'nt, but he could still make us do it, I think any other teacher and the pupils would have been saying ''yeah whatever'' but we respected him alot.

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This is true Slinky and Mrs Jones was another one that just commanded respect. Some teachers have it some don't!

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Yeah they still scare the living day lights out of my hubby too!!!! hehehe and not alot of woman can say that except me and the nun's;)

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I never really met her tink she left four month after I started!! but I believe so!! about the some have it some don't that is my point and the ones that don't, well its a case of ''keep your head down with the teenagers then''. Because teens are cruel they don't care if a teacher has a nervous break down, they get to go home at 3oclock'' you see my point?

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PMSL who little me?? naaaaaaaaaaa. Think they left very soon after he started at carmel, think I can remember him saying ''thank god they left when I started''. Sister margaret mary rings a bell...

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It's not just teenagers, either.

Any age child can do it. Once they know what they can get away with, they will push it to the limit, whether they be 5 or 15

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Yep I agree with you there!! maybe I was wrong to say TEENAGERS.:rolleyes:

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LMAO I will wind him up about that when he gets in from work!! don't think he has told me about that one, wonder what happened to him?? bet he just did'nt give his mum the note from school..........little sh'''''t, I am dreading my two boys growing up like him.

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Yeah he will wonder where I got my information from hehehe!!!,,,,,,, cheeky git what you mean they could end up like me I AM HOPING SO!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD SENCE OF HUMOUR, GOOD LOOKING, LONGER LEGS THAN THE FATHER (SHORT ARSE), AND A WAY WITH WRAPPING PEOPLE ROUND THEIR LITTLE FINGER, who could'nt wish for all these qualities in there kids??

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We used to call her iron t*ts :glare8: god i hope she doesn't read this!!! see she still strikes the fear of god into me!!! Her and Mr. Clayton!!

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No I get worse after drink because of the BEER GOGGLES!!!:drink: :silly:

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Am I right in thinking that rockrabbit, slinky, and tinkerbelle all went to Mount Carmel?

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No I went to moorhead and so did tinks, rock and my hubby went to mount carmel

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No me and Slinky went to Moorehead.

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She spent 5 years there and still can't spell it properly :D !!

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Hehehehehe missed the E oooppps

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:o No you didn't Slinky I DID, there is no 'E', that's what you get for being a smart a*se lol!!! NOW i really do hope Mrs. Jones and Mr. Neville read this !!

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Now there was a waste of oxygen; Terry Neville.

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I am even more dozier than you though because I was meaning the moorhEad, but I have put the E in lmao.

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Hmmm. The title of the thread questions the relevance of teaching in the subject areas of Religious Education and History. I think that a perusal of the four pages of contributions in this thread more than adequately explain the need for such teaching as well as pointing out the woeful inadequacies in the way that such subjects are currently taught.

I have long held the view that it is important for a person and also for nation to know, in the instant, where they stand. To do this one must first know where one has been. Hence the need for the study of our History, personal, national and global. Armed with this knowledge it is then possible to have a clear view of where one would like to go, using the lessons of history to avoid repeating past errors. It is said, not without reason, that the nation which refuses to learn from it's own history is condemned to repeat it.

Religion, as an academic subject, is useful in that it combines a study of the development of ethics and morality with history, thus enabling us to differentiate between what is good and what is bad, it also provides us with the philosophical tools with which to handle the moral dilemmas which attend that differentiation.

The study of both Religion and History teach us that there is more to life than "me" and proves that the constant clamour for the instant gratification of all desires is a shallow, facile and superficial way of living.

As with most things, the relevance to the young of such considerations is largely dependent on the way that they are presented. "I would rather be taught nothing than be taught something badly" Is as pertinent a statement today as it was when it was first uttered in the seventeenth century.

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Bob don't mean to be rude but do you get out much??:rolleyes:

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Why do you ask?

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Are you best mates with ROY off corrie by any chance?

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Who........?

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Roy crapper off coronation street? you know the one in the cafe!!! well no you probably don't watch soaps.:confused:

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Yawn.........! If you have to descend into personal insults because you cannot counter an argument you could at least try to be original.

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OMG what is it with people and arguments?? did I say ''Hello bob please will you argue with me??'' I wasn't insulting you what I meant was that ROY knows alot about everything too, but bloody hell if you think i was fishing for an argument THINK AWAY!!

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I loved history at school and had a fantastic teacher, Bill Green. He was strict but fair and you could also have a laugh with him. He gave me a love of history and incentive to study and I am thankful for that. RE was taught by Mr Mc Caffrey and Mr Webb. I did quite well in RE but was never really that interested in the finer details of it. I think that both subjects are valuable to todays children. How can anyone know where they're going if they don't know where they've been..:D

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Yeah lettie I remember MR.GREEN big black beard man............oh I liked him. He was quite a sporty man wasn't he if I remember rightly?

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Slinky, if I have misread your intention I apologise, unreservedly.

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That's ok Bob!! I honestly didn't mean anything by it, you obvioulsy know your stuff, thats all I was saying.;)

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In which case, thank you for the compliment, it is very much appreciated.

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Mr Green always seemed big but in reality isn't a tall person about 5ft 6 or 7. He had a huge personality and booming voice when needed. One of the strictest teachers I came accross was Mrs Skull (RIP) she used to terrify the hell out of most of the 5th year boys all 4ft 11ins of her. If I remember rightly she taught Physics, she retired when I was at the end of the first year about 1980 and died a few years later. I wonder what some of these retired teachers would make of todays rabble. We had a few trouble makers at Moorhead whose names were regularly read out in assembly for detention or caning. At least they were proper trouble makers though, not like all these kids today pretending to have ADHD when there's nothing wrong with them that a bit of parental discipline wouldn't cure.

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Mr Ormerod RIP was another fair but strict teacher and Mr. Walmsley with his glare. Remember reading Cider with Rosie in his class and everyone got a fit of giggles at the rude bits. He hit the ceiling before he came back down again!!

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Could'nt have put it better myself well done!!:alright:

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I found Cider with Rosie a huge yawnfest, second only to Shakespeare!

Laurie Lee has a lot to answer for!!!

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The best book I ever read at school was OF MICE AND MEN (john.STEINBECK) fantastic.....
then I watched the film and it was a flop, but usually the case.

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Yeah that was a fantastic book

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I enjoyed I'm the King of the Castle (can't remember the author).

I used to spend quite a few lunchtimes in the Library, reading. Mainly Willard Price (Hal & Roger Hunt). I used to also enjoy the Hardy Boys, but there weren't any of them in the Library.

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The biggest yawnfest I had to endure at school was Crane's The Red Badge Of Courage. It was made into a film with Audie Murphy, which was, if anything, even more stultifyingly boring! At college we were made to read Aristophanes' play The Frogs, I couldn't stay awake. But the next day we were asked to perform the play, and we could not stop laughing. Funny innit?

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I once [genuinely] forgot to take in some English homework and was given 500 lines by teacher. [Moorhead circa 1982]
Whilst sat at home that evening doing the said lines my father asked what I was doing.I explained and he promptly threw the 10 or so lines in the bin and said I should do no more. He accompanied me to school the following morning and berated my teacher for giving me lines to do;"if you need to give her something to write make it a bloody essay;you are supposed to be teaching her English!"
Dad was a lecturer in English at the college and had a more "modern" outlook to teaching!

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And quite right too. Any subject is interesting, it is the way that it is presented that turns people off (this obviously does not apply to The Red Badge of Courage, there is nothing that would redeem that).

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Got to agree there. I hold Laurie Lee personally responsible for my failure at English Literature 'O' Level. Unadulterated drivel.

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hey he rocked!!!!! he was such a cool teacher!!! he made us read a book about the rats of nyhm!!! and he kept telling us off for our pronunciation of werewolf!!! lmao!!!!
And of mice and men was a fab book!!!! although i did like the film!!! gary sinise is gorgeous!!!

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no sorry dont remember him!! he must have left!! sounds like a blast though!!

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mr fowler was there when i left!! i never had him though... dont bark at me??? hmmm what did he look like??? what did he teach???

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i loved mr Law!!! he was great!!! yeah he took me for geography !!! i wasnt too keen on mr keighley!! he always reminded me of a bulldog!!!

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lmao!!! you know there was supposed to be a hole from the lads changing rooms to the girls (rumoured!!!) so that the lads could peep on us poor girls!!! dont know if it was true or not but it kept us on our toes!!

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I'm naming no names here but all my PE /Games teachers were batting for the other side[if you know what I mean],it was very disconcerting to have your towel whipped of you in the showers....."come on girl,we are all the same here!!!"

I think not!!!!

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Mr fowler was still there when I left last year ;)
Great teacher, great guy ;) Not had him for RE since year 9 tho, had Mrs Atherton for the last two years, but she was great too. :)

Oh and.. Mr Cuningham and Miss Sharpe (might not have an E, could never remember) were also GREAT teachers, even if they wernt the most loved by the pupils like Mr Fowler ;)

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Hehehe, my sentiments exactly. I really don't think I've had such quick showers in all my life.:D Do you remember how Mr Clayton wore the same suit every day for 5 years..

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i think i do hiya