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In the rest of Europe 'Adult' material is widely available, not just in Amsterdam and Hamburg but in little French villages in Cafe Tabacs. ln the UK R18 films are only available in shops licenced by the council.[ Please don't move thread to link this with Anything goes' Accrington's Licenced Sex Shop', l think it's a different argument?]
Leaving this to local councillers undermines both European and National law. ln Glasgow because of the power of the Kirks there aren't any [legal] shops. Edinburgh has five. ls this undermining our rights as citizens, or should existing laws be tightend and pornography outlawed?

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I'm broad minded but pornshops etc should be kept well out of the way of children,We've had a clean up campaign over in Blackpool cos the place was getting very seedy, souvernear shops were selling really vulger stuff where kids could see,Pornography as been going for thousands of years,but not in front of the children please!

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What he said ^

I'm glad to hear Blackpool has had a bit of a clean up because it was embarrassing to walk along the prom with kids.

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It was getting very bad in Blackpool,they are trying to get families back after going all out for the hen and stag party lot,I'm no prude, but when people are walking around with kids they don't want drunks and porn all over the resort in full view!

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Alcohol and Sex are something the British have always had a problem with compared to the rest of Europe. We always seem to want to take things to extremes. I am getting a little bit tired of this child centred society. If pornography bothers you that much, then how about keeping your precious little darlings away from the porn, instead of expecting the rest of society to do your job for you?

I thought we lived in an adult world, not a bl**dy nursery!

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Hey A-Bob,

I never took you for one of the dirty mac and handjob brigade!
While I've no problem with porno, surely there is a problem with some of the stuff thats now "in your face" in an awful lot of newsagents shops. I do think that young kids should not have to feast their eyes on this stuff..let 'em grow up naturally, with a little bit of innocence. Afterall, for those who want this stuff, it is so easily available elsewhere. Or so I'm told.

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Where? When? and How?

We live in a very prudish society. In europe you can just turn on there equivalent of sky box office and order a porn film. On Sky Italia after about 11pm they show 20 porn films a night. It belongs to the same company as our UK Sky. The same in France, Spain, Denmark, Norway etc etc etc. Why are the people in the UK being treated as children? Unless of course we are right and everybody in Europe is a ****er.

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The guidelines that allow councils to issue or not licences are very stringent. The shops can't be on a main highway, near a school or a church. There can be no window displays depicting anything 'obscene.' Councils are using this to limit choices and impose their own morality in the face of national laws.
Agreed Councils should be cleaning up areas were this is being flouted, and public taste is being tested, ie Blackpool.
It's a strange country that shows war, torture and killing everyday on the TV news, yet is still unable even post watershed, to show a male member with less errr... 'potency' than The Isle of Mull. This is an offical Broadcasting guideline, even for documentaries!

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Personally I think that pornography is a main part of society whether we chose to accept it or not. Maybe if we were more open about the whole subject then it would take it away from the seedy back street image it has and give it a more upperclass image.
I don't mean shoving it on the shelves of every high street store, but if the shops it was sold in were seen as more respectable then maybe we wouldn't have this 'shameful and guilty' attachment to going in one.
And at the end of the day, porn is the safest form of sex going.

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Have to say that i don't think parents should be constantly worried about what their offspring might see in some newsagents{ and other places if the Blackpool issue was so bad.**Maybe this censorship issue is the reason that Ann Summers is so popular;when I was repping it sold some seriously "risque" products but the stores and the parties are an unthreatening environment unlike your average back street sex shop which no -one wants to be seen near!

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I used to work in forecourt of a petrol station, and all magazines of this type, had to be put in a bag, so only the title was visible, and placed on a shelf out of the reach of kids, I thought this was what all shops selling this type of material was supposed to do.

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All it is though is pictures of naked women.

I have 2 young kids and don't rush to cover myself up, and neither of them are particularly bothered about it - no issues have been made about it.

When I was young I was given the definite impression that nudity was bad, and that is probably the impression that a lot of other people are given, hence the seedy back street image that it has now.

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I have 2 young kids and don't rush to cover myself up, and neither of them are particularly bothered about it - no issues have been made about it.

YEAH I agree vorlon, when we was kids we used to go and sit in the bathroom talking to my mum while she was in the bath, it was like a mad house with 3 teenage girls and a dad, so that was the place where you could go and pour our heart out to mum. Because there wasn't a big issue made of it, we didn't think otherwise.

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I agree in theory but it depends what pornography we are talking about? I don't think anyone in their right mind would invite the children into the bedroom to watch their parents intimacy and this is basically what pornographic videos are showing. I think children should be kept innocent for as long as possible.

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If there was no place for porn then the industry wouldn't be so lucrative. I think there should be some restrictions, I wouldn't like to turn on daytime TV and get an eyeful of somebody's nethers (although it would probably be better viewing than the drivel we have to tolerate now) Late night TV shouldn't be a problem, the only kids watching telly after 11pm are those whose parents probably couldn't care less anyway. Blackpool is as tacky as a place can get and it's about time the stag/hen do image was improved. If you want a good day out with the kids take them to the Lakes/ Dales/ or to some of our superb interactive museums ie, film and photography at Bradford....... Honestly, superb day out and no porn.:D

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yeah I agree with you on that tinks! but I agree with vorlon on the nudity part, now zack is getting a bit too old to be seeing me naked! but, when he was little we used to take a bath in the same bath! i'm his mother and he never used to question why I was different to him because he just got used to it (omg just had flash backs of a very embarrasing moment with jemma):eek:

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As long as Man has created two dimensional representations of the world there has been ponography. l use 'Man' in a non-generic sense, although it was probably a man who first daubed 'dirty' drawings on the cave wall! Men seem much more visually stimulated by pictures than women, hence the failure in recent years of this sort of material aimed at only women,[it was still bought by men!]
l'm suprised that no one objected to pornography on the grounds of exploitation, particularly of women, which l think is a step forward. We seemed more interested in protecting the morals of children, rightly so.
lt looks like we still have a Nanny [State], but we're now grown up enough not to really need her anymore.

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i AGREE willow, I think people just see how far they can push it to be honest (excuse the pun)lmfao:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38:

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why bother with sex shops you can order practicaly any perversion on the net and get it delivered to your door

besides beeen cheaper than the sex shops it saves the old long mac and sunglasses routine



i like boobies..

BIG ONES :D

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Nice one Willow!! You deserved that chav PMSL :rofl38:

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LOL @ Willow!

l still think it's absurd you can't show an erect winky[will it get censored out?] even in a scientific programme regarding impotence etc.

lt happens to 49% of the population quite a few times a minute/day/month/year - delete as appropriate!

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Not sure which channels you watch but things look pretty erect on the channel I am watching. Here is a section of the current EPG for some French and Spannish channels. I thought it best not to include any screen shots, there would not be much left after I painted out all the naughty bits :D:D

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DÉBUTANTES EN CHALEUR
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PLAISIRS ENTRE FEMMES Nº 3
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HUIT FILLES À TIRER


TAQUILLA Xhttp://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 16.03. - 23:25 (125 min)
La joven autoestopista
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(X) 2003. EE.UU. Dir: Bud Lee. Int: Ashley Long, Aurora Snow, Petra. Género: Hardcore. Barry acaba de cumplir 37 años y está entrando en la temida depresión de los 40, pero un golpe de suerte le hará superar este sufrimiento. En Taquilla hasta el S19 http://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 17.03. - 01:30 (115 min)
Internado de...
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(X) 2004. Francia. Dir: Hervé Bodilis. Int: Crystal, Cony Ferrara, Lara. Género: Hardcore. Con veinte años recién cumplidos, Natalia es enviada por su madre a un disciplinado internado para señoritas.


TAQUILLA Xhttp://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 16.03. - 23:20 (140 min)
Viciosillas orientales
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(X) 2004. EE.UU. Dir: Alex Ladd. Int: Annie Cruz, Avena Lee, Mika Tan. Género: Bicolor. Estas morbosísimas asiáticas quieren contar y personificar para nosotros sus más perversas e indecentes fantasías sexuales. Adolescentes ansiosas de instrucción carnal. En Taquilla hasta el D27 http://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 17.03. - 01:40 (200 min)
Chochitos europeos
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(X) 2004. EE.UU. Dir: John Walton. Int: Simony, Alexa May, Victoria Swinger. Género: Gonzo. Exquisitez corporal europea es una apropiada definición para esta película. Cuerpos femeninos tan agraciados que son una clara muestra para los de la clonación.


TAQUILLA XX http://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 17.03. - 01:00 (240 min)
Polvos fortuitos
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(X) 2004. EE.UU. Dir: John Walton. Int: Lara Craft, Angel Dark, Vica Ryder. Género: Gonzo. Una gran ocasión para instruirse profundamente en la materia del perfecto conquistador con estas cinco excitantes historietas cargadas de morbo. En Taquilla hasta el V25 http://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 17.03. - 05:00 (110 min)
Como eres pequeñita...
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(X) 2004. EE.UU. Dir: Axel Braun. Int: Missy Monroe, Lena Julliett, Deja Daire. Género: Bicolor. El contraste es notable entre el grandioso rey de ébano Mister Biggz y estas sabrosas e impresionables muchachitas.


TAQUILLA XY http://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 17.03. - 01:00 (100 min)
Internado e iniciado
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(X) 2004. Suecia. Dir: Nir. Int: Valinus, Johh, Sarpe. Género: Jóvenes. Estos cándidos angelitos corren unidos hacia la ansiada matricula de honor, un empinado camino que deberán superar para conseguir palpar el éxito personal. En Taquilla hasta el J31 http://192.168.0.30/timer.gif 17.03. - 02:40 (140 min)
Italiano para...
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(X) 2004. EE.UU. Dir: Lucas Kazan. Int: Mathieu Laffite, Eric Flower, Matthias Vannelli. Género: Jóvenes. Este joven italiano no está cómodo en su nueva residencia, la lengua, las costumbres, e incluso las comidas son completamente distintas para él.

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LOL. My browser won't take your links. lt's a good job as l need my sight and don't want to go blind.
l bet the moderators delete them, after having a look!

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Tink i will agree to a certain point.Its nice to keep kids, kids.In the end though if you cannot talk about it or show feelings about ít then children start thinking that its something bad.Hence they want to try it out.I think that if a lot more parents were a bit open minded then there could possibly not be so many 1 parented families out there.
In the end i only wanted to drink beer when i was younger because my parents told me it was bad.I started when i was 14.Ended up on a rehab by the time i was 24

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I think we may well need a definition of pornography. If you are talking about the fact that men and women have sexual relationships then I do agree that if people were more open and frank about such things instead of tales about gooseberry bushes and storks then children would have a healthier attitude and there wouldn't be the "dirty giggling".

I'm not sure about the one parent families bit. There may be more to it than that.

I've always been open and frank about things to my children. I don't class that as pornography. There's a bit of a difference between that and letting small children watch adults actually in the act. I think that may possibly be classed as abuse. There is also a sense of double standards with what Garinda was saying. In an educational situation it seems nonsensical to censor images.

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Thats because the links are for setting the record option on my satellite receiver which is on my LAN with no access from the internet. I could stream the video/audio to your PC so you could watch the programs, but you would probably go blind ;).
Thets whu I hace so puch provlem wijh my typinb.

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Just to make the point that the sex industry as always been here,I went to Turkey to Kusadasi,near by is the ruined city of Ephesus,it was the home of one of the seven wonders of the world the temple of Artemis,now they claim to have the world's oldest advert,it's thousands of years old,it's not for trainers or fizzy pop,If my pc was a good one I'd plonk the advert on here to show you,it's a footprint,words craved next to it say's "follow me" it's for a brothel! now I've been told that some of the murals at Pompeli are in the words of Frankie Howard "ooooooh missus!";) :)

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Will agree with you there Willow.When i lived in England topless sunbathing was bordering on being lude.Since living on the European Continent i myself have come to accept things in a differrent light.Seems now i can talk about sexual things on a more open basis.Pornography i would expect is showing pictures or films of the actual act.Like everybody else i would that is ok so long as it is not put in a front window where all children could see it.Basically its there and adults know its there but it should not rear its head on a public thoroughfare

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I have noticed that people on the continent are more open as well - I know someone from Germany that is far more open than anyone from the UK about sex, including me, and I consider myself to be quite broad-minded!

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I think it basically boils down to the way you have been brought up and your surroundings.If its there and you see somthing or do something on a regular basis then you never question it.If however something is there that you do not see around you all the time then when you see it it seems strange

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'Pornography- explicit representation of sexual activity, visually or descriptively. to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic feelings'-O.R.D.

Like Willow said, protecting children from this, and having an honest relationship with a parent[s] are two different matters.

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I think i have been misunderstood here.I do believe its not only parents responsability to protect children from this but societys as well

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Sorry Mick, did understand that you meant that.

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Anyone who wants porn knows how/where to get it. There is no need for it to be on open display.

What a world, when it is perfectly okay to show a woman with bare breasts and her legs spread on a shelf in a newsagents, but breastfeeing in public is frowned on!

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[QUOTE=pendy]Anyone who wants porn knows how/where to get it. There is no need for it to be on open display.

Agreed about it not being on public display. A city the size of Glasgow doesn't allow it's inhabitants the choice to 'get it.' Councils around the country, usually because of religous intolerance, are using the already strict rules regarding licensed 'adult' shops to impose a zero tolerance thus denying people the choice the law states they should have.

As for the point of breast feeding in public, again it shows what a silly society we live in when everyday Britains most popular newspaper shows breasts, yet some people object to something so natural thats gone on since Adam was a nipper.

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I don't mind people breast feeding in public as long as it doesn't get in the way of me enjoying my dinner. I felt the same about the waitress in a cafe a litte while back when she was dangling her bare midriff over our table. I don't object to bellybuttons but I don't want one in my dinner.

As for Glasgow, denying people access to something when they legally should have access is not on.

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Now you cant make a statement like that without explaining how breast feeding was happening when Adam was a nipper. If you believe in God and the bible you know Adam was the first man on earth. If you are an evolutionist its a case of Adam who? :)

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:D Well done Neil! :)

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I was trying to inject a little humour. Nipper- breast feeding! No? l'll get my coat!

I am a devolutionist. The only Adam l recognise is Adam Chance from The Crossroads Motel.:)

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Do other people get in the way of you enjoying your dinner when they are drinking then, or are you one of those who frowns upon breastfeeding in public?

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I dont understand sarcasm :rolleyes:
I always find the best discussions are religious.
Crossroads!!! It is about time you bought a colour licence and watched a bit more TV :D

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Sarcasm's all too easy to understand.
Adam/nipper/breast feeding/ teething wasn't sarcasm though. lt may not have been funny though, but it made me smile.

Best discussions are religous? Go on then, l'm genuinely interested to hear your argument in regard to this thread.

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As long as it's done discreetly and not made a show of then I don't object. I am a mother myself but my children have long since passed this stage.

However, I do not like bare body parts of any description in close proximity to my food. See my earlier reference to belly buttons.

Other people drinking or eating have no effect on my enjoyment of my own meal whatsoever.