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They are back!!!! This time they have taken over half of Aldi's car park in Accy. As I drove in, several men where milling about in the car park so I made sure that I parked as close to the supermarket as possible. In the store there were uniformed security staff, a necessity but off-putting to the customers.........Their turnover will take a massive dive while the travellers remain and they have the extra burden of additional security, I wonder how much sleep the store manager will be getting? None,I bet.

As I returned to the car, I witnessed a tiny toddler walking in front of cars exiting the car park, he is so small, he wouldn't be seen over the bonnet from drivers:mad:

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What you don't see on those photographs is the amount of rubbish dumped outside each caravan at the other end. I wanted to photograph that but I think Busman thought we might be pushing our luck if they saw us taking the pics.

They've got calor gas bottles connected up and everything. :rolleyes:

Incidentally I think the woman heading towards the toddler was another car driver who had simply spotted the child and was on a rescue mission.

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Any local farmers spare a few minutes with a muck spreader. That threat usually gets them on the move.

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*LOL*
that wud b interesting to see
i was actually going to do a thread on gypsies and the current thing with them using the human rights act as a reason to park where they want
i think the problem is they dont actually respect the place where they parking up - thats the real prob

i dont think anyone wud have any prob with them if they behaved themselves and then cleaned up after themselves. i accept there are ppl who chose this lifestyle rather than staying in one house etc... but at least respect the place where ur parkin then maybe ppl wudnt mind them stayin nearby

i've personally had enough trouble with them to last a lifetime and thats without them living near me!!

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I would be amazing if they have legal vehicles so where are the police - probably busy selling illegal DVD's ( see post elsewhere on this board )

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Another bunch of theiving scroungers protected by the European Convention on Human Rights, because they are now an officially recognised ethnic minority!
They don't pay Income Tax, Road Tax, National Insurance or Council Tax but we still have to pick up the bills for cleaning up after them, educating their disruptive brats and their health care! We have to fork out social security to keep them in the style to which they have become accustomed and, no doubt, we also have to provide pensions when they get too old to travel anymore.
I wonder when being English will earn me the same protection and latitude!

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aldi should make th epolice move them on as its private property

saying that though the police turn a blind eye to the drug deals that go down on that car park at night so why should they bother about theiving gypos

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they better not let them settle there if they want prmament accomdatin they can live in houses like the rest of us

if anyone was to take matters into thier own hands like you see on tv when farmers fire their caravans etc i would for one turn a blind eye to it

hell i would pay for the petrol if it got rid of the theiving scum

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Should we send them to Australia on the next convict ship or to America on the next God Squad boat

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Stick them on a boat then when they are over the Marianas Trench, sink it

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i remember being on holiday a few years ago, ,,a red faced farmer came into a shop where i was shopping to phone the police ,,he was foaming at the mouth ,,the gypsies that had appeared overnight had milked all his cows ,i know it was serious to him .but i couldent help laughing to myself ,the cheek of it ..

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Hang on, this lot are NOT gypsies, who are a recognised ethnic minority, and are usually clean and decent people. This lot are PIKIES - there is a world of difference. Pikies move onto a site, trash it, and move on. They have no respect for anyone else's rights or property, but are SOOOO well aware of their own.

They could have their caravans confiscated, but then we would have to rehouse them in Council housing, subsidising them at our expense. Australia sounds like a great idea to me, there's loads of space just waiting to be parked on, and they can make friends with the locals - the vipers, the funnel-web spiders, and the crocodiles!

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there gone

halibloody leuja

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Errrmmm, actually Pendy, if they are Irish Tinkers then, as stupid as it sounds, they are defined as an ethnic minority! There was a bit of a hoo-hah in the National Press about it last week!

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I stand corrected, A-B! - but pikies is pikies. Another sub-species.

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Isn't that what Romany Gypsies refer to tinkers as?

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Not that it is in any way important.

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*L*

its all about respect which they lack... i'm just glad that land behind asda isnt there any more i'm sure thats where they wanted to go much to their let down

it was in the mail (?) i think that there's a court case going thru now regarding this and the govt has ruled the european law cannot overturn uk law regarding the free stay of the gypsies

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How much s***e have they left behind them?

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Gypsies' rights to stay on local authority land without permission are to be scrutinised by the House of Lords. Three of the country's leading judges today dismissed an appeal by a gypsy family that a council had contravened their human rights by evicting them from land they occupied without licence or consent.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

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Weeeeeeeeeeee giro day

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I thought Personal Issue day was Thursdays...

Maybe that's changed as well then!

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Thanks for that Mani, the article goes on to say that the court case is funded by the taxpayer to the tune of £300,000, all of which will go into the pockets of Barristers and Solicitors. And though the court of appeal accepts that the family had no right to go onto land that was not theirs, and though Article 8 of the convention clearly states that rights can be interfered with if they are against the law, the Lords of Appeal (all former Barristers) decided to wring that last few quid out of the case and send it to the House of Lords for a decision by the Law Lords (also all former Barristers).

Talk about a license to print money!

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what exactly are gypsies then...?

are we talking about the thugs at hucoat caravan park who gang up on innocent people out with their partners in town because they are alone and cant put up much of a fight or are we talking about the gypsies that shack up with women in rented accomodation and burgle the surrounding houses and vandalise surrounding properties and also riot in the streets over who stole the last bottle of cider until 5 am in the morning

sorry i just need clarification as to which kind of scum is classed as gypsie


anyone whos had the misfortune of having gypsies from huncoat move in on their street will know what ime talking about

even the so called propper gypsies that run the fairs cant stick them thats why you see less of the huncot gypsie around town when the fair is here

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Gypsies are a distinct racial group who left the indian sub-continent and moved into south eastern Europe in the thirteenth century. These were the people who travelled about the country from fair to fair telling fortunes and treating sick animals before the advent of the veterinary profession. They are characterised by swarthy complexions black hair and brown eyes and are fiercely proud of their identity. Hitler murdered hundreds of thousands of them in an attempt to wipe them out. He failed. It was considered at the time of European Enlargement, last year, that thousands of them would migrate here from Hungary Czechoslvakia and Rumania, where they are regarded as second class citizens and paracites. They are few in number in this country.

The rest are Irish tinkers or social drop-outs.

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Didn't realise they'd gone. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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tolerance people, tolerance.

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Ok then Mr Tolerant, why dont you invite then to park on your property for a few weeks

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there is one site down my lane and another new set up two miles away. when did accy become a nazi town?

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Most travellers are roaming bands of scroungers and thives,but I've got alot of time for propper Gypsies,where I used to live we had a field and we would get a horsedrawn Gypsy caravan stay there every year going to Applebury fair,they were no trouble and only stayed a few days and were gone,these lot of tinkers will find the Human rights act very useful I'm sure!

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and consider this, the travellers didn't make the laws

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Nah...and they don't pay taxes, either. Then again,we no longer make laws. It's all done for us by those bandits in Brussels, and we abide by them whether we like it or not. Unlike our Traveller chums.

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were not a nazi town but people who spout crap like you do are the reson why they get away with so much

its bad enough we got less rights than criminals and imgrants but were also supposed to tollerat having less rights than these scum as well


they are not hated for living in caravans they are hated for been theiving dirty bastards

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Quote: (Originally Posted by StvKy)
there is one site down my lane and another new set up two miles away. when did accy become a nazi town?

From that quote it obviously isn't as there are 2 sites for the thieving Barstewards

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Basf, I live just outside Evesham in Worcestershire, the closest site to me is Hipton Hill council site and the new illegal camp is at Wyre Piddle.

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feel free to speak out about our problems when you live in our town please

your gypsies may clean up after themselves but the ones in accy most certainly didnt

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C'mon, what planet you on...... or do you live in a caravan????

And do you leave your s**t for others to clear up??

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For about 6 weeks every summer I live in a caravan. The caravan is in a farmer's field. We have a tap for drinking water. Of course we create rubbish, but we act responsibly and put our rubbish into bags and deliver it to a designated area from where the council refuse department collect it. We pay an annual fee for the privilege of staying in that field. When we leave, we leave the field and surrounding area exactly as we found it.

One summer we were invaded by undesirables. They camped about six inches from my windbreak and actually blocked the opening which we walk through to get out! They helped themselves to things from the farm yard and to the steps from our caravan to build a barbeque on! When they left (following a dispute with other campers) they left an area of rubbish about the size of a six man tent!

Several families and individuals camp in that field every summer on a regular basis, other people come and go as a one-off. The difference with this family and the rest of us is the same as the difference between the lot who set up camp on the Aldi car park and the old fashioned Romany Gipsies who were/are a proud and noble people. The people we object to are those who make life a misery for the rest of us. Their chosen way of life isn't the problem. It's the contempt with which they treat the rest of society. If I walked into someone's house, lived there for a while, ate their food and left the house full of rubbish wouldn't they have a right to complain? If on the other hand I rent a room at a B&B, pay for my bed and breakfast and leave the place clean and tidy there would be no problem. THAT is the difference.

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The thing that makes me laugh, they don't pay any tax, they leave the place in a right mess but have you seen inside some of their caravans some of them are gorgeous. It showed one on a TV interview lovely white leather suite, loads of expensive ornaments but i suppose they can afford it when they don't pay the bills everyone else has too!!!

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stolen goods are cheap

its even cheaper when your the person doing the stealing

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Many moons back (about 30 years) I started off married life in a mobile home on a static site. I paid through the nose for the site, and amenities like water etc and then the gov of the day declared that we should pay rates on mobile homes despite us not having brick walls or security. They even sent an inspector round to check how many rooms were in the mobile home so as to work out how much extra we should be charged.

At the same time, a "permanent" site was arranged for the travellers just 2 miles away and with the agreement of the council, they paid nothing at all in rates "as there was a need to settle these people down" They had electricity, water and sewage pipes laid on at vast cost to US .......and they used it like a holiday home! If you are passing, chuck your van on this concrete slab, use the amenities and move on in three months.

It was a no-go area for anyone that wasn't a traveller and the council tried to put a manager in charge......but after the first one left,(rather quickly) no one would take on the job!

The site is still thriving, local pubs and shops ban them from entering their premises, and the site is a total mess..........but they are there to stay!!!!

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According to Liverpool University, there are 23,000 irish tinkers in the Republic of Ireland, 7,000 in Northern Ireland and 15,000 in mainland UK.


In the links below there are a couple of news items that should give us all cause for concern and something to consider when the election comes around. There is an online petition to John Prescott for you to sign, and there is the story of the villagers of Cambridge and their campaign against travellers. Enjoy!


Article here re: John Prescott and travellers “rights”


http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.story.page&obj_id=120453&speeches =1
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And another…


http://society.guardian.co.uk/localgovt/story/0,7890,1433321,00.html
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There is a petition to sign here…


http://www.petitiononline.com/CEN/petition.html
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And there are pages of stuff here and a good idea to force councils to change their minds – Withold your Council Tax…


http://www.middleenglandinrevolt.co.uk/index.html
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Victory of sorts. This is a follow up to the story in the previous link


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/4340567.stm


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no but its still a bloody joke

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There is a site in Hyde (Manchester) with approx. 20 'Mobile' homes on it, all belonging to 'travellers'.... you have to see these homes, to believe how luxurious they are.... so much so, that at least three of them had £20,000.00-plus kitchens installed by a company not a million miles away from our town centre!!!

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what do u lot make of the conservatives pledge to review the law on gypsies and if need b repeal the human rights act?


sounds rather too much of jumpin on the bandwagon to me

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Sounds good to me, why should they be above the law.

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lt does seem strange the majority of 'travellers' want to set up illegal permenant homes.If they stop travelling how will people in outlying areas get their drives tar-macced, and lucky heather will be scarcer than hens teeth to find.

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I think everybody has a right to live, but a lot of people who do the shouting in this country for equal rights, whant this untill they have to pay into the system.

I know it would be a pain in the backside but i am in favour of I.D. cards so that if you whant a job, you pay like everyone els. This country is on its arse with people taking what our parents and grandparents have worked for.

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To quote from another thread "hens don't have any teeth!" :D:D:D

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I noticed in passing, while I was in the newsagent's this morning, that the Sun carries a screaming headline of £30 Million Handout to Gypsy sites as well as funding from the National Lottery...What's all this about?

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It's just the usual madness - the Samaritans are in deep financial trouble because they lost their Lottery funding - but we can afford it for this shiftless lot. And why shouldn't the powers that be give £30 million to gypsy sites - it isn't their money, they don't have to go out and earn it. It's OURS.

The name of the game is political correctness. I think I might apply for Lottery funding, claiming that I am a one-legged, black, German-speaking, lesbian who wants to run a playgroup for badly behaved (sorry, Attention Deficit Disorder) children - what do you reckon my chances of a handout are?

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the simple answer is dont play the lottery

richard branson has been refused the licence twice because he said he would donate ALL proffits to charity and most of it would be in the uk and propper charities would benefit not child molestors and drug addicts

time after time though the government gives the licence to the usa company and ime betting its because someone somwhere is getting a big bribe

how can branson not be classed the better person he would give all profits to charity

ime not sure but i dont think charity is taxed so maybe thats why govenment dosnt like him

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One thing is there's gonna be nowt left in this country soon because this country is soo badly run n all this pc madness!!

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Pc = politically correctness not meaning computers pmsl

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Just getting back to the subject of gypsies/travellers. All this waffle about them being an ethnic minority is a load of twaddle. We're not talking about real gypsies here. These are not people of a minority ethnic group. They are the same ethnic group as many others who do not behave in the same way and whose human rights are being abused.

They are simply people who prefer to live in caravans rather than houses or prefer not to stay in one location permanently. Ok, I have no problem with that. Good luck to them. BUT what I do feel I have a right to complain about is the mess left behind. If I put my caravan in a public place and then left rotting rubbish outside of it I would expect to be arrested and the caravan towed away.

If we were on a campsite and made too much noise the other campers would be justified in complaining and we'd probably be asked to behave or depart.


We have our caravan in a farmer's field near Carnforth but when we wanted to do something as simple as erect a wind generator we asked permission of the land owner. And we pay for the privilege of keeping our caravan there. They should be subject to the same sort of thing. What about the rights of the owners of the land they move onto and stake a claim on? What about the original inhabitants of the villages whose lives they make a misery? Not to mention the fall in property values.

All we're talking about here is equality. Why should any acts have to be repealed? What about the human rights of the rest of us who don't go around breaking the law?

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Willow, I so agree with your comments, as, I'm sure, many of us on here do so.....

BUT, we feel powerless... how can we possibly make our feelings known??

Elections are coming up, but, how fair are they?? Postal rigging springs to mind...

So much corruption, we are in danger of becoming a 'Third World' country...

I despair... my vote, alone, is not enough...

What can I do, to ensure the quality of life my grandchildren deserve??????????

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Hey,

I've recently taken over the printers pub in oswaldtwistle and "The Green" are my neighbours. Before i moved here i've never met a traveller before and I have to say there the nicest people ive met that cant do enough for me. Just wanted to clear up this pre-conception people have about them. There is good and bad in any community..That is all :D

On another note I'll be having a wake in the pub for one of the traveler teenagers thats passed away may he rest in peace x

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As you do a moonlight away from the place in the not too distant future you may have cause to eat those words.
:D

By the way, why do you suppose there is such a large turnover of Managers there?
:)

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Are you one of them?

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If its those at the back of the Palladium,? i used to sup wi em in the 60s, great families, n have been yon fer donkeys years, People have never to my knowledge objected to em, The scum that park up illegal n leave loads of crap when they are moved are a different matter.

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If they have lived there since the 60's how can they be referred to as "Travellers"? :)

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Think they were yon before 60s?? I never referred to em as Travellers, though some have.:)

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I remember them there in the late, perhaps even the mid '50s

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There was never any problems from the Gypsy's on the Green, they've been there as long as I can remember Gypsy Joe Smith was in my class right through school, from when I started in 1951. its mainly the West family who come from the Green true gypsy's not the Tinkers who cause havoc by indiscriminately setting up camp and causing endless problems. Its not to long ago that Gypsy Joe contacted me and came to see me, he now lives in Cheshire somewhere and is a lay preacher, spends most of his time taking relief aide abroad

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Spot on, used to sup wi the Wests n Harrisons, in the Royal The one what became Country Kitchens,as ive said before on a thread years ago, They used to shovel a legless cashy into a taxi, that they had paid fer on quite a few occasions, Can't fault folk like that.;)