Should Chavs be sterelized?
 

Rather than the State fund a whole generation of professional benefit breeders, who see their only future as having kids, who then have kids, should they be sterelized?
This could be done humanly with sperm/eggs being taken at the onset of puberty, and released for fertilization when they've passed a suitable test which will ensure good parenting skills.
A great amount of money would be saved in the long term, and they would have the satisfaction of buying their own Burberry baby-grows.

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How disappointing, so many views and no replies.

Surely you can't all be storing your seed/eggs in the freezer department?

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I don't know about that but they should wash more often.

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I have a very strong point of view on this subject but might get banned for making racist comments, I think I had better keep quiet for once.

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A point of view, no matter how strongly felt or expressed should be aired. That is what freedom of speech is all about. If you can managed to stay within the law in airing it, then I am sure that we would all like to read what you have to say. Some of us may not agree with you, but that is also what freedom of speech is about.

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Maybe the government could take them to the vets and get them neutered..... That would stop the boozed up chavs marking their territory, (and evrybody elses for that matter, Cars - Lamposts - Phone boxes etc).

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Has any one ever heared of the Denmark project?
Basically from the early 1950's any one convicted of a felony offence was sterelized, the upshot was that crime fell to 2% and criminals were bred out of the system.
when Denmark was forced to stop this in the early 70's when they joined the E.U. the crime went back up and the crims bred once again.

AS chavs commit most crime in this country taking lead from the denmark project would have a double whammy and the tax payers amongst us would be happy.

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Maybe nor go as far as sterilising, but I would like to see some sort of limit placed on the amount of kids that people who are lazing on benefits can have. Or some limit placed on the amount of kids that the state will support - let them have one or two and if they decide they want a whole football team (number of kids, not dates;) ) then its up to them to support that family. I have no objection to people having as many kids as they want, but I do think that they should be able to support the kids that they do have. I don't think its up to the state to fund these families. The women bleat that bringing up kids is a full time job in itself - maybe so. But I seem to be managing to hold a job and bring up a kid and still have time for my partner - why can't they?

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Again the definition of:
Chav.
From the Romany for boy- Charv, or a citizen of Chatham in Kent, representing a white underclass, who wears designer baseball caps the wrong way round.:
Chavette.
Danielle Westbrook.

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Also see - http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

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l'd just like to say l have nothing against parents bringing up children under averse conditions. l'm just sick of boys and girls dragging children around town and not taking the slightest bit of interest in them. l see them everyday, and soon these children who have been dragged up will go onto breed themselves, and it frightens me.

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The Government have made having a baby so lucrative its almost a business if you are on benefits.
For instance - £500 Sure Start Maternity Grant to spend on anything you like (its supposedly to purchase baby things with)

Free baby milk, vitamins for yourself. Now the decent baby milk costs about £6 a week, so thats about £312 a year.

And if you are on low earnings etc etc you get all your rent paid, council tax paid etc at goodness knows what cost.

And you have all the organisations like Sure Start, Home Start that run free playgroups where basically you have a gaggle of teenage mums who dump their offspring for an hour (they call it playgroup but whether thats for the babies or the mums..?) and have a coffee and a fag and a natter.

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This might be a bit "off thread", but I think that it is a valid part of the wider discussion.

I heard an apologist for an ethnic minority explaining the growth in gang culture and gun crime last night. One of the reasons he put forward for this disturbing trend was that black teenagers were unemployed and because they had brothers, uncles, and fathers who had never worked they consequently saw no requirement or felt no imperative to work either.
This made me wonder. Why does the government feel that it is right to fund, through social security payments, a section of society extending to three generations that will not work to earn their keep? Why do they think that it is reasonable to expect the rest of us to pay taxes to support a distinct class whose only concern is consumption?

I have at times been very grateful for the benefits afforded by the social security system in filling the gaps between one job and the next. It is a valuable safety net, but I do not think that it was ever intended as a career choice. I do remember that at all times when I have made a claim for unemployment benefit, there was the requirment to prove that I was actively seeking work and I was told that there would be consequences if I did not pursue the offer of work should it be made. In that light, I cannot understand how this situation has been allowed to develop. How can three generations of a families eschew employment and claim benefits without, apparently, anyone asking questions ?

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Read this before the page changes.

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Just in case the page DOES change...


http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/images/topics/phpnuke.gif TheWizardOfOzzy _WRITES "Known to most people only because of a football team and an old milk advert featuring a couple of Scouse kids, the once thriving Lancashire mill town of Accrington is now, quite frankly, a chav-ridden wasteland. For a town of just over 30,000 people, it has a disproportionate number of dodgy areas: Lower Antley, Fern Gore, Rothwell Ave, Meadoway and Spring Hill (to name but a few) are dotted all around the town, meaning that nowhere in Accy can you live a safe distance from thieving, dole-scrounging wasters. Oh, and not forgetting the Huncoat estate, which is so grim that when a load of ****** arrived there a few years ago, even they couldn't find anything worth nicking.

The town centre, despite the council's best efforts to spruce it up, just illustrates the chav population's descent into total lack of sophistication and taste. Until a decade or so ago, it had an interesting array of mainly independent local shops, but one by one, these have almost all closed down and been replaced by the likes of Poundstretcher, Matalan, TK Maxx, Argos and Wilko's. Particularly popular are the 'everything for 99p' type shops. Despite frequenting these emporiums of utter tat on a daily basis, the locals still haven't grasped the simple concept of them - they can often be heard asking the assistants "'Ey up, 'ow much is this then?"

As far as food goes, all of the chav's favourite eateries and supermarkets are of course present: McDonalds, KFC, Lidl, Netto, Aldi and Iceland are all doing a roaring trade. Woe betide anyone who opens an Italian or Indian restaurant in Accy - they soon find to their cost that the locals don't want any of that "foreign muck".

The same is true when it comes to drinking: the interesting old boozers have practically all disappeared, and in their place are theme bars serving watered-down lager to Burberry-clad youths, who are frantically trying to down enough of it to build up their Dutch courage for the inevitable fight at Lar-de-Dars nightclub ("Lardys") later in the evening.

In fact, there's so much booze-related violence in Accy that it was the first town in the country where drinking alcohol in the street was outlawed. The town centre boasts special signs with a picture of a pint glass inside a red triangle. Not that anyone takes any notice of them, as the blood and vomit to be found in the streets most mornings will testify.

Accy is also notable for the sheer stupidity of its chav criminals. The same names appear time and time again in the crime columns of the local rag, caught and convicted over and over again for the same type of offences. In one recent case, a local Einstein was caught stealing an old biddy's handbag just TWENTY MINUTES after being released from prison, having served a sentence for theft. Back he went for another few months...

On the plus side, Accrington must be one of the last places in the UK where you can still buy a house for under £20,000. Buy one as an investment, insure it to the hilt, let it out to DSS tenants, they'll eventually do a runner, the local chavs will torch it, and you'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Just don't EVER consider living there."

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I found it very funny. Should I be offended? Nope because we live in Oswaldtwistle ( waiting for similar post about Ossie to be posted )

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Ossy is also Chav central after dark concentrated in the Booze Busters/ War Memorial/Co-op triangle. lt's unfair to label everyone in the stated article as Chavs, theres lots of hardworking decent people also trying to live there. Was funny though, strange that Chavs become a badge of honour! He was wrong about lndian/foreign food though, obviously never been in Accy when it's chucking out time.
Who is the OssyGoblin, does he darken our door here?

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yes chavs should be sterilized and the current generation executed along with the rest of the scum

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The only way to solve the benefits-scrounger problem is to remove the benefits. When people either have to work or starve, they work.

Look at Tax Credits. It is only necessary for a single parent, or one of a couple, to work 16 hours a week in order to qualify for Working Tax Credit. Child Tax Credit is given for each child and can be claimed even if the parents are not working at all, on top of Child Benefits. I know of many cases where people are receiving over £10K a year in Tax Credits and also getting Child Benefit, Housing Benefit, Income Support, free prescriptions, free school meals etc. They are taking from the State but they give nothing back.

Then there's the old favourite, Disabled Living Allowance. Did you know that you can claim this if your child is diagnosed with ADHD? In other words, have a badly behaved child and get paid for it. No I won't lump all such diagnosed children together, perhaps that would be unfair, but the majority are simply the outcome of disastrous parenting. You can also claim DLA if you are unfit for work. I heard of a woman who claimed she couldn't work because she had "short legs". Well, I have short legs (I'm only 5'1) and I'm still working, past retirement age. This same woman's legs, by the way, are not too short to stop her driving a car. A bad back is favourite as it's very difficult to disprove. Again, I've had a bad back for 20 years. Show me someone who hasn't once they get past the age of 50.

I would never deny Benefits to those in genuine need. When the Welfare State first began that was the whole point of them but, today, it is far too easy for the idle and work-shy to work the System and end up better off than some who work hard all their lives.

I wouldn't sterilise the Chavs. I would refuse them any Tax Credits and Housing Benefit unless they work at least 30 hours a week, stop any payments at all for any after the first two children and refuse DLA unless they are absolutely proved to be incapable of going to the local pub or bingo hall, with a heavy fine for those claimants who still manage a holiday in Tenerife despite their disability. What's more, I would re-instate corporal punishment, in other words I would give teachers back the right to discipline pupils and policemen the right to clout young thugs. Do away with the the ASBO and Community Service and bring back some form of National Service and the old, tough Approved School system for the wrong-doers.

I suppose I am advocating an England, an Accrington, as it was 50 years ago. To those who may disagree with my views I make no apology. It was a damned sight better place to live then than now.

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As some one who would starve unless l got Disability Living Allowance and Incapacity Benefit, unless l survived on stale cakes, l totally disagree and not only from a personal point of view. The original idea of the Welfare State was to act a saftey net, not as a trampoline for a feckless generation to make it their raison d'etre. lt's the system that needs changing not the ideal.
See my journal entry for today before you judge me, and then l'll be ready to argue my case, or beg for a few crumbs Missus :)

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how about fitting them all with cast iron, unbreakable chastity belts instead.

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Wouldn't work Chavs chafe.:(

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No, Garinda, I don't begrudge anyone in genuine need and if you read again what I said you will see that. I do begrudge those who are claiming this Benefit who are not genuine and you must know that there are many of them. It makes me very angry that I know of people who really do need the support of DLA who have been refused at Tribunals when others, who are quite capable of working, get away with it.

I'm sorry if what I said hurt you as an individual. It wasn't my intention to cast any aspersions on those who have no alternative to claiming a Benefit, merely to point out that the Benefit system is abused on a wide scale.

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Perhaps l misunderstood you West Ender, so then l owe you an appology. l quiet agree, the system as it is needs an over haul, so people can't so easily take advantage of it.
l recently enjoyed a holiday in Gran Canaria, not Tenerife. :)

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Agreed. Friends?

It's these very scroungers who make life hard for the genuine claimants like you. Just as a "for instance", there is a former mining community not far from where I live. About 60% of the men there were miners until the demise of the coal mining industry. Of them, approximately 75% are now claiming DLA, though they were all able-bodied enough to work in the pits. Their local golf club membership is full because all these "disabled" ex-miners are out on the course 7 days a week.

I also have a close friend who is disabled, she has arthritis in her spine and cannot walk without sticks, and she had to fight to be considered a genuine case. She eventually came off DLA when she got a job as a typist in my office. She dreads not being able to continue working because she will have to go through the same humiliating procedure as before if she can't support herself.

It's a mad, mad world.

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P.S. Garinda

I've never met you but I'm quite sure you're NOT a Chav. :)

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No, l may infact be a transchavette :)

N.B. After a flurry of PM's WestEnder and l are now bestest friends, and are agreed we agree on the basic view of the original thread.

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Maybe if we shut down Aldi, Netto, all the pound shops etc they would all move to another town.

:D:D:D

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ive been sterolized after haveing twins on my 4th c sextion and im now preg again and the twin are only six months old so we are on about getting them removed and my partner haveing the snip and me going on the pilll see iff that works i wouldnt advice it after a c section it give u more chance of it comeing off

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Can't you sue someone after having steralization and it fails?
Watch Channel 4 ads this afternoon and see if no-win no-fee soliciters can sort you out.

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Please can someone translate this into English for me.

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You can't sue them because they are very clever and tell you that ''nothing is 100%'' so therefore they aren't liable for it.

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No, you can't sue - but there was a case a couple of years back where a woman got Legal Aid after undergoing voluntary sterilisation - her existing children were in care, Social Services had stated firmly that if she had another baby, it would be taken into care immediately after the birth, and this cow got Legal Aid (our money) to sue the Local Health Authority because they refused to try to reverse her sterilisation!!

It's not new - the Fabians (early champagne socialists) were of the opinion that the "undeserving poor" should be put into labour camps and sterilised so that they could not breed.

It's true - remove the benefits, you remove the incentive. If someone will not work, and is able to work, then don't give them any money. I am sitting at my desk, dosed to the eyeballs with Nurofen plus because I have RSI and some days it is agonising. BUT I work full-time and extremely hard.

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My friend Janet was sterilised and they put the clips in the wrong place and she needed it doing again to put them in the right place, the same surgeon had carried the same op out on many women and none of them could sue even though they had to go through the op again, this was carried out at Scunthorpe General so if you are planning on being sterilised don't go ther.
My sister was sterilised after having her daughter who is now 16 and found heself to be prgnant 10 years later and is now the proud mother to a lovely 6 year old.
As for the chavs I think they should be sterilised or made to support their offspring by getting a job like the rest of society

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I had a tubal ligature (posh for sterlisation) some years back. I had two children. I would have liked more, but two was what I could afford and cope with as I worked full time (I took maternity leave when my son was born). So why should I pay a fortune in tax and Social Security so that some idiot woman can have 14 kids by several different fathers?

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Exactly..they are a drain on our taxes...

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It sucks doesn't it.

You should have to apply for the right to have children.

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Good job u mentioned that or else i would have .. lone parents gets enough stick n usually tarred with this breed unfairly!!! Some of us tried to make it the proper way but end up finding too late that the sperm donor or [egg donor as case maybe] is a total selfish, lazy, evil arse'ole whom cant keep fists/willys [fannys] to 'emselves n leave the other parent to just 'survive' with difficulty n reliant on whats available cos those w*nk*rs wont take responsibilty :( n try to hold a job n childcare by yerself with no help!! Agree that parents whom leave their kids n dont provide then shouldn't be in a position to father/mother more..... rant over lol! .....now love to know how i can have my kids dressed in Burbury n Baby Gap waste of dosh n wots wrong with George Asda ...they do lasting quality n inexpensive n does for my lot:)

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Can I just say something in defense of single parents?

I think you will have gathered I'm rather anti the Scroungers we all know are around us. I have to say, though, that both my daughters have been single parents at some time in their lives. My youngest daughter still is and lives, together with her 5 year old daughter, with me. Neither, obviously, wanted to be in that position.

My elder daughter was left with a baby son. She didn't work until he was 5 years old. During those years she did an OU degree and, once he was in school she got a full-time job, continued studying and is now a qualified Accountant. The early years were hard but she coped, with some help from her father and me. Subsequently she saw that her son had a good education and made financial sacrifices so that he could go to Manchester Grammar School. He is now a 19 year old college student and she is happy with a decent, hard working partner.

My younger daughter was "dumped" before her little girl was born. She refused to be labelled a Single Mother on Benefits and went back to work, part-time, when the baby was 4 months old. She is bringing up a delightful, intelligent little girl who has a bright future ahead of her - and a very good relationship with her father, which my daughter worked towards regardless of her own feelings.

I get a little tired of the labelling of children from single-parent families as the "no-hopers" of tomorrow. There are many single parents who are responsible and caring and I totally agree with Accystanmac that there's too much adverse comment about lone parents. And yes, my granddaughter looks great in her George from Asda clothes too. :)

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Blimey can o worms- loads of issues going on here now all worth a seperate thread, anyone?
1/ Single or Pair, l've every admiration for good parents, thats all of you as Chavs would find all this here to like hard work!
2/l know sterilization aint 100%, nothing in life is.
3/My Great Grandfather was a Fabian, but being a Methodist had to pass on the Champagne, and not in the usual way it's passed.:)

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All surgeons explain to women BEFORE they are sterilized that there is a 1 in 300 failure rate, this applies to however it is done e.g through the telescope or by abdominal operation......and whoever does it......so it is just as likely to fail if a consultant does the job as if it is done by a senior house officer.
But it is like a car crash.....no one ever thinks it will be them that is the one in three hundred. Hysterectomy is a pretty sure bet though.

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Well said n thanx Westender bout single parents we arn't scroungers made out to be n sick of being labelled as such as with owt you'll get those whom do abuse this by claiming to be a SP but clearly arn't which p*sses me orf cos it makes a mockery of those of us whom are trying to do the best for our children n want to work but find work can be limiting for balancing kids n work single handedly work bloody hard specially if u have no support from anyone being both mum n dad n try to work - no wonder my heads up my bum sometimes its very trying!

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In no way did l say when l started this thread anything about single parents. My Grandmother was a single parent, and it can be even more difficult to raise children well on your own, which she did for my Mum & my Aunt. Good parenting is an attitude a lot of these so called Chavs don't have, thats the point, not if they are single, paired or living in a menange a trois in a Burberry tent.

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Mearly responding to a post thats all not having an argey, i do agree with your point garinda, with posts like this its usual to go off to another tangent within the context as to how its been read.

Now im still curious as to how to aquire a burbury tent cheap LOL

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Now im still curious as to how to aquire a burbury tent cheap LOL[/QUOTE]

Accy market Thursdays, Flea [knock off] Market Day, approx £3.99, inc attractive Burberryette holdall suitable as a papoose. :)

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ahhh thats cleared that up....errr i think i'll stick with george at asda then LOL :)

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Quality always shines through:)

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OMG I was justing viewing who's on line when I saw this thread. I actually thought it said " Should Chav be sterilised " PMSL.........:D

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Yes give me 2 Accy nori's I'll gladly oblige :D

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You cow, this was one of my first threads.:(

I'm so much more of a professional arse now, eighteen months later.:D

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PMSL have u got some tweezers handy too tho the nori's might be too big:eek: :D

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Yes why should the world have to suffer chavlings any longer?(JOKE-NO OFFENSE TO YA KIDS CHAV1)

I still have my bottle sterilisers even though dont use them-shall we put him in the electric one which would boil him or the cold water one for 24 hours,if the latter you have to squeeze all the air bubbles out him first to make sure he will be 100% sterilised-any volunteers?

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I was gonna put my hand up then.....but forgot I'm busy tonight :D

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Can we not put em in a microwave one and then we can sit and watch them explode through the window. :D

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pmsfl Tinks just remember to foil em 1st so that u can have a real explosion with sparks :D

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No lets suprise him :D

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too late ive already bred :D:D:D:D:D

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My answer to the question is a deffinate YES,with two Nori bricks:D

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Chavs should all be made to appear on reality tv. Something like "Im a chav, get me cider in here!" Or how about a version of channel 5 talent show. They could see who could mug an old lady quickest, nick a car quickest, shag the most underage girls, drink the most before being sick for the council to clean up, rob a post office etc etc.

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i think they are busy enough with appearances on trisha and jerramy kyle but should they ever decide to bring back executions i would pay money to watch them execute a few :D

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On a very serious note i really would watch that. Whats itv's number...

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I think the "but" is, how would you identify them? How would you decide who is for the chop (if you'll pardon the expression :D) and who isn't? There would have to be a very fine dividing line, since there are so many degrees of "chavishness".

And how about the human rights campaigners? They'd never let you get away with it.

Tricia