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Why is that todays "little darlings" feel the need to let everyone know that they were there?

This is on the War Memorial in Oakhill Park.

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All i can say, is DISGUSTING

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Like l've posted before my Grandpa was killed in France aged 22 in 1944, leaving my Gran carrying his unborn child my Mum. As a family War memorials, as they do to a lot of people, mean a great deal.
For my Mum it's her Dad's grave, and the lack of respect from these morons is mind boggling.

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The memorials probably have no meaning to their parents and so the kids have never been taught to respect them. Is it any wonder I am so passionate in my hatred of graffiti? I wish they could be caught and made to clean it up.






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Disgraceful. This is where we start to loose any sense of respect for those fallen irrespective of the conflict. We should blame the government “local and Central” for there failure to educate these idiots and thugs. That said we should also be prepared to educate our own children ourselves. At least then we may have some comfort that our own offspring are not carrying out this act of gross indifference.

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We know who to blame...the parents and the idiots that sell the spray paint!!

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I think the blame lies totally at the hands of parents. People learn respect from their parents, and if they have no respect then the kids will carry that on. I think grafitti should be punished in the eye for an eye tradition. If anyone is caught doing grafitti then the police (or someone) should be perfectly within their rights to march round to the parents house with a spray can and spray on the front door 'the kid who lives here is a brat' or something similar.

The only flaw in my argument is that the parents would blame the authorities and not themselves or the kid. In my day if a kid was caught doing anything untoward they would have got a clip round the ear from the policeman first and then one from their dad after being marched home.

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I respect your views purplelass and I had thought of posting a similar post to yours. But at the end of the day an eye for an eye approach is not the answer here. I’d like to see the little ******s beaten at the steps of those memorials they’ve disrespected, but again that won’t educate someone to the suffering and fear and sacrifice that those people suffered in conflict. I believe the answer is through education in our schools and other intuitions by central and local government. Lets see some pride for these people who give everything.

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Yes, these people can help but kids only learn how to treat others by seeing the way their parents treat others. If the parents are scum there's a pretty fair chance that the kids will be too!

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my sentiments exactly ,,,
and to garinda it beggers belief,,,if your grandad came back today what would he think ? ,,,

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Agreed, but I think you have missed out HBC Leisure Services and MidPennine Arts who run courses in spray-can "art" for the bored and feckless brats, at our expense.

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One of the possible causes for this particular display,is that the history of the second World War is no longer seen as being neccessary knowledge for school age children.
This said we have lots of children in the area who seldom if ever attend school!

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If that is so, what has been the point of the national celebrations to remember D-Day last year and the celebrations to commemorate the end of the war this summer? And are our children, in this town, with it's history not being taught about World War I? I can't believe that.

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people still lay flowers at that memorial i find these kids actions disgusting and there is no one to blame but the individuals themselves

its about time kids like this were held acountable for their own actions , everyone is born with some sense of right and wrong and definatly by teenage life you have a damn good idea between right and wrong

i would make tham scrub the graffiti off then paint their face blue and make them walk around for a week wearing graffiti and see how they like it

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To be honest i have finished school fairly recently and i was barely ever taught about both worldwars, breifly touched on but not in as much detail as i would of liked. Luckely though my grandad told me about it and i after visiting one of the many french war memorials/graveyards on a trip to france and seeing the many white graves the most harrowing of these the unmarked graves. I have had the upmost respect for anybody who served in any of the wars as these people gave there lives for us and without them we would not have the privaledges that we donow.
Therefore personally i have and would never do anything like that. But Others do and this is because of mainly boredom and a lack of education but also they also do it for the chance of being caught and getting the adrenaline rush that comes with this possible chase and this outwieghs the punishment which comes with doing this and the "buzz" which they recieve.
What to do to solve this i dont know but something has to be done maybe increase the penatly for it.

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>>But Others do and this is because of mainly boredom and a lack of education but also they also do it for the chance of being caught and getting the adrenaline rush that comes with this possible chase and this outwieghs the punishment which comes with doing this and the "buzz" which they recieve.
What to do to solve this i dont know but something has to be done maybe increase the penatly for it <<

Well if that isn't an argument for the return of The Birch, I don't know what is.

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When i was a teenager my friends and i used to get bored, but i was brought up to have respect for people. I can honestly say that myself and the group i went round with never got into any sort of bother. It would never have entered our heads.So the answer does have to do with being brought up and not dragged up.

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EXACTLY........................................... .......

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So how do you explain kids who have perfectly behaived brothers and sisters but they are the one yob in the family. I know many families like this and then the parents who have done exactly the same with all children get blamed. But some blame has to be on soceity given that the majour effect on all people is with who they hang around with as these groups who spray this graffiti are prats, And the whole of the group are prats but if these kids would have mated around with other kids then they would have probably not done this. It is very hard for parents to deciede who their kids mate around with isnt it

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I know and as a parent I constantly worry about the future and who they'll mate around with. The thing is that if they are led astray by other kids then it's still down to parenting. There may be the odd exception but respect can only be taught by example and the best example that kids get is from their parents.

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I totally agree with this but surely then it is not the education by schools to teach kids but the teaching of soceity to try and teach these parents who are to blame

One thing that always makes me cringe is when these parents open the car door at the road side and get there kids out into the middle of the road so the kids are stood there by the side of the car whilst the parent gets the other kids out. Do they not under stand that is why they made a door at each side of the car ---- Idiots who have no common sense

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Yes but you have to agree that it is alot harder for a parent to keep a child respecting than it is for another yob to drag them off this track and then all the hard work is ripped to peices. Also there is the agument that this could be nature vs nurture (spelling???) i think nurture is stronger but in some cases you just have to wonder

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I''l kill my son!!!!!!!! he is called ZACK!! no it can't be him he is only 7 and usually writes ''i love you'' on his bedroom wall!!!!!!!!!:D

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she did..

WALLPAPER pmsl

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:D Nice one Chav.




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Perhaps, as well as being an argument for a more authoritarian approach with offending brats, this is also an argument for parenting skills to be taught as part of the national curriculum - to correct the deficiences of home education?

I do think that there is a distinct lack of cohesive thinking in our children's education and the fact that so few of them are aware of the history of their own town is, frankly, shocking!

How can we expect them to have respect for cherised institutions, the rights of others and their responsibilities as citizens if we do not teach it to them?

I was wandering around Priestly Clough the other day and came out behind Hollins School. What a mess! Despite all the rote learning about preserving the environment, and the school's signing up to the Council's recycling drive, the area at the back of the school is a sea of discarded sweetwrappers plastic pop bottles and metal drinks cans. But then, it's all very well trying to teach kids to be clean and tidy but what else do you do with an empty crisp packet when there isn't a rubbish bin in sight?

It is the apparent disassociation from the values and ethics of the community that is seen in
many children that I find truly worrying.

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We remarked upon the rubbish littering the canal banks yesterday when we were out on our walk.



Whatever happened to "if there is no bin take your rubbish home with you" ?

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Agree with that, how many times have you seen a group of kids, from the small 4/5 year old to the teens eating crisps or drinking from cans or bottles whilst walking down the street. On finishing eating or drinking they have just thrown the "empties" in the gutter. Well someone else will clean it up.

As you said, we were always taught to take our rubbish home if there were no bins.

On saying that how many times have you seen articles thrown from car windows. And how many times do you see black bags or old furniture at the side of a country road, now that is something I cannot understand, why drive so far out to dump your rubbish, when we have the recycle centre on whinney hill, its open 7 days a week, and there is always someone there to lend a hand to unload your rubbish.

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A complaint often heared from young people is that they are bored with nothing to do!
With a skate park, playing fields ,youth centres,cinemas, bowling ,swimming baths and sports centre available,I would say that boredom like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Nor would I Park;littering of our streets and recreational areas is only another sign of the lack of respect that some people(not just youngsters) have for others and their property.
There is no easy answer,it's too late the lunatics now rule the asylum!

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The fact is that people have rights,children have rights,they don't respect others but "they know their rights!" I blame "do gooders" who don't live in the real world and quite simply will find out that their daft ideas about "rights" are wrong when these kids grow up to be adults and have kids of their own! Why should I respect people that don't care about anything other than themself?

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i cant take my son to the park because the area sectioned of for children a gatty park is covered in glass , dog crap and puke

also the childrens activity thing smells of urine so theres no way in hell my son is playing on that

anyone else remember the days when it was conisdered wrong to pi$$ on the childrens play things

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i was fuming the other day ,when someone leaned out of their car and emptied the contents of a full ashtray all over the pavement ,when i commented on it all i got was, (quote )mind your own business nosey bitch...

that is today,s society

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I don't recall ever seeing anything about anyone getting fined for littering;how on earth are litterbugs ever caught?:confused:

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The broken glass has now been swept up, it was done last weekend by the community warden team. There was 6 of them. I could not believe my eyes seeing so many of them.
They did not bother with the glass in the tennis courts or that near the entrance to the park.

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Seems like it's one of the community wardens duties
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...ty_Wardens.htm

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On my rounds a few months ago an old lady was in her garden and told me some dirty git had thrown a used nappy out of their car at her!:mad:

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I grew up in the days before TV (yes, I'm one of those old B*****s), both my parents went out to work......they had to there were 7 kids to feed.......we were taught right from wrong......we were also taught that if you did wrong you had to expect the consequences.
Some of the parents today don't even know where their children are, let alone what they are doing.
I recently told a mother that her son (aged about 10) was throwing stones at the surveillance camera of a local firm........she told me I was an interfering baggage(or words to that effect)......her son was 'only playing' and shut the door in my face.
Next time I will just phone the company's security staff and they will contact the police to deal with it.
Now if something like that had happened when we were growing up we would have been chastised and made to see the error of our ways.
Everyone knows their 'rights'......but no-one wants the responsibility that accompanies those rights.
I despair!

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True point Margaret, i was brought up the ole fashioned way n im glad made me the person i am today n also believe that i am the same with my children as much as i can these days, im forever harpin on about that word 'consequences'!! till my kids are sick of it! But if u did owt wrong in those days your parents would drag u down the cop shop to sort u out nowadays parents tend to oblige their kids breaking the law by defending em even tho wrong - what message is that to send out! Trouble with nowadays kids have been given the rights n they know it n parents power is limited by the powers that be n which is no wonder theres no discipline!

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And that's why I feel so despairing........Parents who try to do their best are hamstrung by the nanny state.
The other thing that kids take notice of is their peer groups.......if kids get in with a bad crowd then parents can do very little about it.

I think that children/adolescents who vandalise monuments/property shoud be named and shamed and they should be made to work to make good the damage they have caused.

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Yep i totally agree Margaret shame its got to this state when kids rule the roost, i agree they should be named n shamed plus made to repair the damage caused maybe they would realise its not so much fun when someone wrecks your hardwork!

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I see no reason why vandals and their ilk should not be named and shamed, no matter what age they are. Never mind their rights, what about the rights of the law abiding citizens?

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The grafitti should be scrubbed off using the little s**ts heads

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Oooooh Fibi........yeeeeeeees!

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lf we care, we must not stop telling off people who we think are behaving disrespectfully, or else we as a society are doomed.
I've been threatend with a knife for telling a lad off for writting on the back of a bus seat, and just yesterday honked my horn at a young Chavette Mum in Fielding Lane who opened her door into the busy road and was erecting a pram. What she and her Boyfriend shouted was true, l am a w*****, but l'm a w****** who will not give into anti-social scum.

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Is this not because of them parents being threatened with legal action therefor they will defend their children to the high courts?

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You can help if you like, it would give me great pleasure,

If I ever found out that it was my kids I would use their heads and whats more they know i would, but I can gladly say they have been brought up better than that

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Mrs Pilkington, what ever next. :eek: I'm shocked at such zest for violent retribution.


Do us a favor Margaret, remind me not to **** our Fibi off :eek: .

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Well this is the sad state of the world today but surely these are parents whom children have done bad things broke the law whatever??? U never got parents from generation or 2 ago being taken to courts!! tho

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This is true because if you had to be escorted home by someone or someone knocked on your parents door to complain about you because you had done something wrong you knew what you were going to get off your parents!!

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Oh god yeh that was the biggest deterant for me tho used to dread it even when i hadn't done anything wrong LOL!! see parents had power n police ppl used to scare me also still do lol :)

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Not really violent retribution Doug......just want to make the little darlings realise that there is a price for wrong doing....especially when you know what you are doing IS wrong.

The Monument in Oak Hill Park should be respected as a grave should be respected........I know that there have been incidents in various cemeteries where mindless vandals have desecrated graves and grave stones.......they will continue to act in such a manner if we let them think they can get away with it.