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chav1 11-04-2005 02:18

foul language
 
are men realy the most foul mouthed of the sexes

Tinkerbelle 11-04-2005 08:22

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I think it's worse the younger they are too. my sister is 21 in October and with her and her friends it's every other word :icon_argu She could put many men to shame with her gutter mouth.

Busman747 11-04-2005 09:08

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Call me sexist and old fashioned but I HATE being in the company of ladies?? that swear.

In a "men only" situation, I can overlook prophanities although I do not reply to them in a similar manner but I tend to walk away from women that utter vulgar language.

I DO swear occasionally but for the most part it is to express frustration at a situation....and while I am alone!

I prefer to let my smileys do the talking http://tinypic.com/2nuiid

cashman 11-04-2005 09:22

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like busman i don't like being in the company of ladies that swear,unlike busman i do swear more than i should,i don't regard it as sexist though, not swearing in front of ladies! i regard it as respectful.

chav1 11-04-2005 10:00

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a womans best weapon in an argument is silence

if they suddenly shut up it dosnt mean your winning its just the quiet before the storm :whack:

fireman 11-04-2005 11:55

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I do object to foul language in front of women and indeed have got into some hairy situations when I have asked people in pubs etc. to moderate their language. I would not swear in front of their wives or girlfriends, and I ask that they don't in front of mine. The trouble is lots of these young people now are brought up listening to foul language and they pass it on to thir kids and it becomes a norm, unfortunately.

WillowTheWhisp 11-04-2005 12:12

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An old teacher of mine once said that swearing showed a lack of imagination and a deficit in vocabulary. She was only talking about words like "bloody" at the time too and tried to get us to imagine a graphic image of the described subject everytime we felt like using the word in order to put us off.

As an example, one girl was always late because she "missed the b' bus again!" to which the teacher would reply. "Oh dear, how much blood was there on the bus this morning?"

fireman 11-04-2005 12:18

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Sounds like a b------y fool to me ha.

Acrylic-bob 11-04-2005 13:43

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Well that's a bit of a silly question really, because if the girl had missed the bus how would she be likley to know how much blood was on it, or if indeed there was any blood on it at all.

Which goes to show that teachers are not as smart as they would like us to think they are.

grannyclaret 11-04-2005 14:03

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i am not a prude ,but there is swearing,,and swearing ,,,,,mild swear words are tollerable but some are tabboo,also i find spitting unnessasary too ........

wayneyboy1942 11-04-2005 16:06

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I put men, but times have changed, and some women do swear every other word, but in my job the blokes swear most,and as they tend to be ex troopers Sailors and Dockmen I get sent to,The older blokes can be the worse for industrial language, I've heard words that would make a navvy blush!!!:D

vorlon24 11-04-2005 19:26

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I used to live in a house that was full of men (well, only two others, actually), and my language deteriorated.

Now that I have a wife and kids I am very careful with my language, as I don't want my kids picking up any swear words earlier than they have to.

Margaret Pilkington 11-04-2005 19:34

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I hate foul language........I can handle the odd expletive.......but it seems that the youngsters today cannot hold a conversation without effing and jeffing every other word.

I think that TV is in some respects responsible for some of the acceptance of bad language.

Less 11-04-2005 19:57

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A Curse upon all those

That swear!

:swear8:

vorlon24 11-04-2005 20:32

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I don't believe in a blanket ban on all swearing; there is a time and a place for it, that's all.

(and that includes going too fast into Paddock Hill Bend at Brands Hatch on a motorbike...!)

Margaret Pilkington 11-04-2005 20:35

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Vorlon, there is a difference between swearing at the appropriate time........and all the effing and jeffing that goes on.

vorlon24 11-04-2005 20:46

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Believe me Margaret, there was plenty of 'effing and jeffing' in my crash helmet earlier today!!!

Margaret Pilkington 11-04-2005 21:00

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Aaah Vorlon......there might have been. But as I said....... that is acceptable.
The stuff that I find offensive is a conversation like this one.......
Man - Go and get me a packet of effing fags.
Woman - I'm not effing well paying for your effing fags.....and anyway what up with your effing legs......are they effing well painted on?????

This couple had a toddler in a pram......who undoubtably will pick up this lovely language.......and maybe teach a few other children when it goes to school.

Your effing and jeffing was a useful safety valve.....letting off steam, but theirs is a way of life. Not good is it?

fireman 11-04-2005 21:12

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Heard the same Margaret and it makes me cringe. What chance do those kids have and if thats the way the parents speak in front of the child, they must have no pride, what state is the house in.

Less 11-04-2005 21:29

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Originally Posted by fireman
Heard the same Margaret and it makes me cringe. What chance do those kids have and if thats the way the parents speak in front of the child, they must have no pride, what state is the house in.

I'll bet the effing grill pan doesn't shine like yours!:D

fireman 12-04-2005 07:24

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think that needs a red card definalely a slur on my character.

WillowTheWhisp 12-04-2005 07:40

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Never heard it called ''effing and jeffing'' before. My Dad used to call it "effing and blinding" which I could never understand.

Even crazier are the ones which stick it in the middle of a word like "abso-effing-lutely". And they are not chavs.

lindsay ormerod 12-04-2005 18:56

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I have been know to use the odd expletive but I try not to in front of the child;she has already developed a bit of a potty mouth but on the odd occasion that it's happened you have to explain to her which is the swear word and why she can't use it!

vorlon24 12-04-2005 19:03

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I have said a couple of things in the past without thinking about it, but realised as soon as I had said it.

If you don't make a big deal out of it, they tend not to notice (as long as you don't do it too often). At least, they have not repeated the word in our earshot!

grego 12-04-2005 19:34

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I say the odd swear word when driving (if I'm on my own), sometimes if angry or telling a joke, but in general I dont like hearing it, my other half doesn't swear in front of me or other women, in general I think men have more respect, sometimes the air is blue inside the ladies lavs, it sounds really cheap!

vorlon24 12-04-2005 19:42

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One of my wife's friends is really quite objectionable, she swears at every given opportunity, and I know chimpanzees with more manners than her; she doesn't bother with please and thank-you, and she ignored me for an entire evening because I refused to make her a drink until she said please.

That was quite enjoyable, actually!!!

ShortStuff 12-04-2005 20:32

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Unfortunately, I have been voted "the foulest-mouthed woman" ever known by a few people on separate occasions. It's something I'm not at all proud of - but I'm only very bad if I'm drunk, angry, upset, happy, sad, excited..... (you get the picture). Trouble is, I honestly don't even notice I'm doing it half the time, although, I do try to make an extra effort in front of any children.

Anyway, hopefully I can change my ways cos until then there's quite a few of you that won't be speaking to me if you see me at the meetings etc!!!

Margaret Pilkington 12-04-2005 20:42

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Oh ShortStuff........at least you know your failings........and if you can control them in front of children then you are well on your way to controlling them full stop.

ShortStuff 12-04-2005 21:17

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Yep! It's all about re-training myself!!! It's about time I thought before I spoke anyway!

chav1 12-04-2005 23:15

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ime not sure if the woman who i am going to mention next still has children who go to saint mary magdalins but maybe anyone who has children there has heard this woman speak to her kids in the school yard when picking up her children in the past

i stood jaw dropped while a woman basicly screamed this to her children

what the fu*k do you want now you whining little cu*t just wait until i get you home you fu**ing wa**er

almost every day i would hear this as she dragged her kids down the street screaming even worse language at the youngest child because he was lagging behind and couldnt keep up with his mother who was storming about

another parent informed me that she did this daily both morning and when collecting them after school but no one dare say anything because the felt she would probably attack them or sothing and no one wants confrontation in front of kids in a school yard

what i find unbelievable is that the school its self didnt / hasnt taken any action is this not a form of child abuse

the youngest child may still be there so the mother in question may still be taking the child to school but if you drop or pick up kids from saint mary magdalins you have no doubt heard these outbursts

can anyone confirm this as the way she acted is so unbelievable i wouldnt believe it unless i heard it for myself lol

Terry 13-04-2005 06:14

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Well I guess I have have been hearing obscene and foul language all my life. I have become almost immune to it. The only time I cringe is when I hear a female using the 'c' word. But what hope have we got. The films they churn out these days include that word in some of them. Both my wife and myself roll our eyes at each other when we hear it. Quite frankly I can't see the point of using foul language at any time. I find it totally pointless. Unless you're of the moronic type and it does something for you. (you work out your own psychology if the cap fits. Don't blame me):D Men are definitely the worst offenders but it sounds worse coming from a female. But that's life as they say. (Who are They?) :)

staggeringman 13-04-2005 16:04

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I work in an enviroment that you hear most people talking and the woman talks with the foulest of tongues,dont get me wrong men swear nearly as bad,but when you ask a man to curb his language he usually does but ask a woman and you might as well hit your head on a wall.

pendy 13-04-2005 17:19

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I must admit I do use bad language a lot - it is something of a culture in the office I work in. I have to say that when I first came to London, I was shocked by the amount of bad language from all sorts of unexpected people - it does seem to be more common down here (take that how you will!).

That said, I do know other adjectives than f*****g - and use them rather more.

One experience - when I was a school governor, I was in the Head's office one morning, when a mum came in to see our Head. She had been asked to call in because of the child's foul language in class. Her response? - "I don't know where the little bl**der gets it from, I'll effing kill him."

staggeringman 13-04-2005 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pendy
I must admit I do use bad language a lot - it is something of a culture in the office I work in. I have to say that when I first came to London, I was shocked by the amount of bad language from all sorts of unexpected people - it does seem to be more common down here (take that how you will!).

That said, I do know other adjectives than f*****g - and use them rather more.

One experience - when I was a school governor, I was in the Head's office one morning, when a mum came in to see our Head. She had been asked to call in because of the child's foul language in class. Her response? - "I don't know where the little bl**der gets it from, I'll effing kill him."

pendy i used to mate around with a lad whose parents where dad cockney....mother scottish and when them two had a argument they had one you should have heard them at it, i think that is why i perssonally dont like foul language anymore especially spoke out loud so all the other people within 20 ft can also hear it.

mez 13-04-2005 17:29

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when i lived in wales it is normal language there as it is in ireland , no one seems to bother , it is up to the individual, if they want to use it ....well then ..but if they choose not to no one notices.

WillowTheWhisp 13-04-2005 19:03

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I never came across it in Ireland at all, where were you Mez?

ShortStuff 13-04-2005 20:21

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Willow - they do tend to swear a lot in Ireland, but to be honest they speak so softly & quickly you often miss it! Oh feck it!

ShortStuff 13-04-2005 20:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chav1
what i find unbelievable is that the school its self didnt / hasnt taken any action is this not a form of child abuse

can anyone confirm this as the way she acted is so unbelievable i wouldnt believe it unless i heard it for myself lol

chav1 - isn't it everybodys duty to report any form of child abuse if they are witness to it? If you felt that these children were being abused why didn't you try to report the mother - why should it be the schools responsibility?

WillowTheWhisp 13-04-2005 21:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chav1
i stood jaw dropped while a woman basicly screamed this to her children


She isn't Scottish by any chance is she?

WillowTheWhisp 13-04-2005 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShortStuff
Willow - they do tend to swear a lot in Ireland, but to be honest they speak so softly & quickly you often miss it! Oh feck it!

I've spent a lot of time in Ireland and none of the people I mixed with swore at all.

chav1 13-04-2005 22:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShortStuff
chav1 - isn't it everybodys duty to report any form of child abuse if they are witness to it? If you felt that these children were being abused why didn't you try to report the mother - why should it be the schools responsibility?

its kind of a tough call realy as it was happening on school property for starters and there are a lot of other children about and the last thing anyone would want to see is two adults kicking off infront of children especialy those under 10 years old

i dont think you could find any man who would walk into a school yard full of kids and start correcting an obviously disturbed woman

before you know it the screaming and swearing at the kids and swearing infront of other kids wouldnt be the issue in hand but would soon turn into more of a matter of a man approaching a defenceless woman picking her children up and starting a confrontation

before you know it the mans in the wrong and hes the one in trouble with the police

i do not know if this woman still goes to this school to pick up her kids , somthing may well have been done about it i realy dont know as i havnt been up there for a long while at the time kids are finishing school

as for laying the responsability on the school i personaly would like to think that if an adult was acting in that way in front of the schools pupils on school property the head teacher would have the power to ban that person from coming onto school property and make them find other means of getting their children to school

all i can say is that although i have strong reservations about bad language infront of children it is not my place to correct parents who swear at their kids but if anyone swore at my kids like that they would then most definatly find themselves going head to toe with somone who although may know just as many nasty words as them would easily beat them down in any argument without having to use one of them

i realy dont want to come off as some snotty nosed git but i kind of felt that things had been turned around by your remark to make me look the bad guy for not reporting it, but in the real world things arnt that simple and to be quite honest i dont think anything i could have said or done would have made things any better but more than likely made things worse

SPUGGIE J 12-09-2005 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
She isn't Scottish by any chance is she?

A scottish women with here back up will match any guy in a swearing match and enjoy it. Even the kids think it is normal to swear to the extent a sailor would blush. It is a sign of the times that leting rip with swear words and derogotory comments is second nature and who is to blame, well I think we all are. I am pulled up on a regular basis by my daughter for it even when it is under my breath.

We as a nation seem to have lost that little bit that says it is impolite to swear and just carry on as if it is normal. If we are to rid ourselves of this polite society needs to be ingrained from an early age. The worst swearing is people are drunk and with women it is even worse as they have a habit of screaming swear words just for effect. A lovers tiff in the middle of the street after anight on the tiles is the most common place.

Kids at school from an early age seem to swear in every sentence so what chance do we have.

Gayle 12-09-2005 20:06

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Men swear most, but it sounds worse coming from a woman.

shiny gem 12-09-2005 20:12

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i think there is a time and a place...as a lass i try my best to keep my swearing to a minimum!!! maybe uttering the odd expletive when i stub my toes!!! lol

ANNE 12-09-2005 21:06

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I swore a lot when I was younger exept when an elder was about.
But now I only tend to use bad language when I'm very angry.

accymel 12-09-2005 21:25

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I was watching that BB3 prog about foul language on tv or should i say history of it & my fav programme started it till death do us part & thats tame in comparision to now apparently 64 bl**dys in a episode was the record & Mary Whitehouse just made it worse that started in the 60's mmmmmm now PM's father in law claim to fame LOL


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