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In theabsence of any political party showing any CS what policies would you like to see. Please try and keep it sensible. I'll start off.

A block on immigration for 5 years to get a handle on those who are already here and to decide a sensible level of immigration, Let the rest of Europe look after their share. Any illegals are deported immediately back to their country of origin.

Removal of all the levels of middle management from the NHS that have been introduced in the last 20 years. Lets get back to giving teh people on the ground the power to make things right there and then. The money saved should go towards giving a decent salary to nurses and doctors.

I've quite a few more, but what do you want?

Ian

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What about making people who do not work but claim benefits do something for the money ( those that can of course ).

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That was one of mine as well, Unemployement benefit should be paid for a weeks 'community service' Painting council property, sweeping streets, tidying rubbish from roadsides, removing graffiti etc. Some will no doubt say this is removing council jobs I would say it is saving the council money to help keep our council tax down.

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A massive increase in the amount of government money put into research and development.

Tax incentives for support given to the arts or charities to reduce the level of government funding.

Scrap VAT on house restoration and repair.

Make all Builders responsible for installing systems which would make each new home energy independent and waste efficient.

Reduce the Foreign Aid budget.

Disestablish the Church of England and place all faiths on an equal footing.

Give Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland.

Disallow Scottish and Welsh MP's from voting on purely English matters. They have their own Parliaments, why should they be allowed two bites of the cherry?
Introduce a license and financial and parenting skills test for prospective parents to discourage incompetant or lazy parents and breeding-crazed females.

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I like that one, it might reduce the number of falling down houses.

I would go a little farther than that. Remove religious prejudice from our education system altogether. That means no church schools and no teaching any one religion more than another. Schools should educate our children about all religions. It would help improve knowlege, understanging and hopefully tolerance of each others religions.

If you want your children to follow a certain faith teach it them at home - not brainwash them at school with it!

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Scrap tax credits for parents.

Child allowance to be means tested.

Have an elected Head of State.

Make the BBC self funded, scrap the lisense fee.

Distinguish Incapacity Benefit claiments between those that have 'stress' or 'a bad back', and those of us that may have a degenerative, incurrable, progressive disease, so that we don't all get tarred with the same brush.

Outlaw tar brushes.

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Scrap university tuition fees and reintroduce the mandatory grant.

Outlaw nonsense degrees eg: Sociology and Media Studies.

Reintroduce corporal punishment in schools.

Choose a National Curriculum and method of teaching it AND STICK WITH IT!

Make Voting Compulsory.

Causing death while driving should be treated as murder.

Driving while drunk should result in a lifetime ban.

The pedestrian should always have right of way over cars and other vehicles.

The state pension should be set at two thirds of national average income, should be index linked and should be available to all persons who have lived here at least ten years before retirement. National insurance contributions should be absorbed into income tax and company tax.

Pensioners should be encouraged to take part in Nursery and Primary Education. Every class, as well as having a school pet, should have a pair of grandparents.

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Road fund license put onto fuel, those who use the most pay the most and those who choose gas guzzlers pay for the privilage.

A-B like the grandparents idea. We have such a wealth of talent and experience in our old folk and we just let it disappear.

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seal up our end of the channel tunnel and watch all the crap spill back into france


abolish mini roundabouts give way is easier , people just dont know how to use mini roundabouts once 3 or more cars are trying to use it

if caught littering make people pick up their dropped rubbish and an extra 50 pieces of litter

if children vandalise property their parents should foot the repair bill and if on benefits the bill can deducted directly from their giro until paid ( if you hit the parents pockets they may be more inclined to punish their kids )

greenbelt should mean greenbelt no matter how small a miniority you claim to be

any caravan parked on a non designated site shuold be crushed

stop blaming teachers for bad kids they are there to teach kids not bring them up

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I can't agree with this one. You would get some Victor Meldrew type just crossing the road expecting the cars to stop. Just think of all the claims against drivers by people out to make danger money.

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Re-introduce National Service, either in the Armed Forces or the Police Force.

Repeal the Human Rights Act.

Re-negotiate UK membership of the European Union.

Put Science, Art and Technology at the heart of Education and Business.

End economic migration and require prospective immigrants to demonstrate the benefit they will bring to the country.

Stop apologising for the "sins" of our ancestors and start celebrating what we have and what we are.

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Flipping heck A-B I started one here for you! :)

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1) Chewing gum to be sold only at chemists stores against Doctor's Prescription and to carry deposit per piece, repayable on return

2) Junk food (Macdonalds, KFC, Kebabs, Pizzas) to carry tax duty similar to tobacco and alcohol.

3) Junk Food wrappings to carry statutory deposit, say minimum 5 quid, repayable on return.

4) Dog license to be reintroduced in the form of a collar and extended to cats; any dog or cat found in public without license should be destroyed on sight.

5) Immeadiate withdrawal from the Common market.

6) Abandon plans for Hyndburn recycling centres and send all the sh*t down south to fill up the channel tunnel.

7) Disbar all lawyers and/or their "partners" from standing for parliament on the basis of a conflict of interest, i.e.you can't make the law and then profit from it.

8) Reintroduce both capital and corporal punishment, with every school having a disipline master and every morning assembly ending with a good public caning of every previous days' miscreants.

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Hear hear, I agree with all of that Tea, particularly numbers two, three and seven!

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Hmmm, but isn't it a rather sad reflection on the state of the nation. This list of good ideas has taken us a couple of hours to put together, while all our political masters in London are capable of is making piddling changes to the tax system - "Iron Chancellor" my backside, I'll bet Bismarck is pi**ing himself.

Why should this be do you think, are they afraid or just bereft of imagination and common sense?

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The outlawing of tar brushes would only drive the users underground & create a 'black' market for them, rather than banning them encourage the users by offering tax relief on feathers and get them to concentrate their attention on the people that show an interest in the following:-

(From one of A-B'S)

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Common Sense II


1) Seperate the election of the executive from that of the legislature, i.e. we elect a Tony Blair/Labour cabinet team or a Michael Howard/Tory cabinet team seperate from the election of our MPs; then ensure that every cabinet minister, from PM downwards answers to Parkiament at least once a week.

2) Introduce maximum terms of office for both the legislature and the executive (so an MP can stand for no more than 2 terms or 10 years), so at least we get a chance to see different slime balls.

3) Reintroduce Crown immunity into the NHS for all elective clinical procedures, so that we don't have an outstanding £8billion debt burden taking funds sway from much-needed services. All medical treatments and procedures involve risk so people should insure privately, rather than sue the state if something goes wrong on what they get for free.

4) Extend the provisions of the 2005 Terrorism Act to the IRA, the Animal Rights mob, and all the other scumbags currently involved in "direct action" political protest.

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Yes, Less you are quite right, not only can they not read and write English they are having difficulty pronouncing it too.

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Any immigrant being allowed into this country must prove financial probity, have a job to go to and not be eligible for benefits of any description for 3 years.

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Make prison environments hostile......no criminal in jail should have a better standard of living than pensioners on the outside.
Hard Labour,minimal rations, no TV, no Gym facilities.

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all the good ideas mentioned in this thread would never happen as long as we are part of europe , germany for one wouldnt like those ideas

remember germany fought a war so they could tell us what to do

pitty they didnt win it..

or did they ...?

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Perhaps it would be interesting to invite our candidates to comment on this thread. I think I'll drop them an email tomorrow.. I'd like to know which ideas they think are viable and why their party is not pushing for them.

Ian

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That would sort the men from the boys Entwisi......it would make interesting reading if nothing else.

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I have to disagree with you on this one as well, A-b.

Nearly 2 years ago I had a pedestrian run out in front of me while I was riding my motorbike. I hit her and came off my bike - I was travelling at about 20-25 mph.

Not only did I have to pay the excess to get the bike repaired to a similar state that it was before the accident, but I also lost my no claims bonus, and the accident was classed as my fault, as I hit a pedestrian, despite statements from two witnesses who said that there was no way I could have avoided her.

Oh, and my insurance premiums more than doubled too.

So a moment of brain-fade (if she had one) has cost me in the region of £2,000.

Did I forget to mention that I had to replace my crash helmet as well?

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My manifesto

1) Revoke all taxes other than Income Tax. No Road Fund Licence, fuel duty, Council Tax, VAT etc., with realistic taxation levels on higher earners, to compensate

2) Raise the tax threshold to £10K a year

3) Reintroduce compulsory National Service in the style of the 1950s, for all 18 year olds, male and female

4) Reintroduce tough discipline in schools

5) Remove all "Rights" from burglars, vandals etc., except the right to be physically "restrained" if apprehended

6) Liquidate all law firms who advertise on Daytime TV regarding compensation claims

7) Ban all advertising of goods on a "buy now, pay nothing until 2006" basis

8) Imprison anyone over the age of 12 who wears a baseball cap, unless they are a US 5* General or a baseball player

9) Surgically remove mobile phones from the ears of pedestrians

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You could be right I've seen this guy a few times in the Stag and I don't think he's from around here.

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What a pity none of the main political parties would even think of some of the ideas in this thread never mind putting them in their manifesto. They are far too unpolitically correct for them to consider so have a look at some of them smaller parties or even start your own.

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If you catch a person damaging or grafittying your property you should be allowed to go and do the same back to theirs (or their parents) that might make some parents discipline their kids a bit more.

If you find a burglar in your house you should be allowed to protect your property with reasonable force.

Make schools go back to proper teaching methods - learning multiplication tables, grammar, and spelling.

Stop holiday companies from bumping up the prices during school holidays.

Stop the clocks from jumping backwards and forwards in spring and autumn - what good does that do anyone?

Ban white vans and big lorries from the roads during 8am to 9am and 5pm to 6pm.

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No, make sure that parents walk their children to school or see them safely onto the bus, the little dears don't need to be driven everywhere by their parents. Or am I just mis-reading your thoughts and you are thinking only of ease of traffic for the poor office worker?

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actualy i watched one of the top police people on trevor mcdonalds program a few weeks ago and basicly he gave the ok to smash the burgulars skull in even if he isnt armed

they showed 3 cinarios where a knife , a golf club and another item were used and other varying aspects were used like attacking from behind , the front

basicly each time the burgular was killed and the top police cheif or whatever his name was said the homeowner acted lawfuly and would have to make a statement but would not be charged

regardless to say if i ever find anyone in my home they will be beaten and if they die then tough crap they shouldnthave been in my home

i see anyoneone in my home who is not invited as a threat to my family and their safety and i will react appropiatly

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Free NHS - i seem to remember paying thousands in tax and NI last year.

Make the doctors immune so they can provide bad treatment - no thankyou

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Just trying to ease traffic. In fact on that score I'd ban white vans altogether but I suppose that is a little bit harsh. I would ban big lorries from travelling on B roads and getting themselves stuck in stupid places that big lorries shouldn't be in the first place. I've often seen lorries stuck along Charter St, it's a pretty regular occurence.

I'd also introduce training courses for prospective Councillors and MPs and if they don't pass the course they shouldn't be allowed to stand for office in the first place.

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I'd stop the pay out culture that allows idiots who fall over a paving stone because they should have been looking where they were going to claim thousands. No wonder our country's in debt.

I'd also ban the counselling services that counsel people for the most stupid things. People should toughen up and accept that it's a cruel world out there.

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In fact on that score I'd ban white vans altogether but I suppose that is a little bit harsh.


Oh it is, PurpleLass. :D


My son bought a white van a month ago. He drives an enormous red one, for a living, but he needed a vehicle he could transport his band and their equipment around in. It used to belong to a junior basketball team and it is carpeted, in the back, with a blue carpet with yellow basket balls on. It also has 2 bench seats down each side and a load of pillows. It doesn't really fit the image of a punk rock band, does it?

My son is a good driver, he has to be or he'd be out of a job. I giggled when he bought the white van because he's always moaned about "White Van Man". Serves him right. ;)

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Make unemployment benefit repayable when a job is found and only pay it for 6 weeks. As in Sweden.

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In reply to Pixie who made a comment to me via karma, [^5 for having the bottle to sign it,otherwise l wouldn't have responded.] :)

Re: my comment about abolishing child tax credit.

l don't think all parents are 'dodgers' that benefit from this tax break, as l myself feel peeved when lumped with all disability benefit dodgers. l do however believe that a fair days work should equal a fair days pay, which could do away with this particular perk. Some young people do decide to make a long term career of having babies, which l think at the moment the state allows because of an array of lenient benefits which make it viable. l didn't mean to offend you personally, as l have litttle idea how hard it must be to bring up children well nowadays.

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Make 'Logic' a compulsary and mandatory subject in all schools and universities and eventually in time you won't need any of the above suggestions. (who am I kidding:D )

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I think the women who do make a career out of having babies should be stopped somehow. Part of me cannot understand how they can have x amount of kids - I have one and my experience with the whole pregnancy malarky wasn't one I would repeat.
However there are those of us who do actually make proper use of the tax credit system - I am working to support my child and also my partner, who is disabled. We don't get any of the perks that seem to go so easily to single parents/multiple mothers. We still have to pay council tax, morgage (sp?) and things that every other person has to pay. It would actually work out that we would be better off in a financial sense if we split up, sold the house and both didn't work.
That is a major flaw in the system to me.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your comments as well garinda.:)

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A toll charge to lorry drivers from other countrys to use our roads.

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I wouldn't object to a toll being charged on all our major roads, as long as two other things happened

1. road fund licence was scrapped
2. the revenue made was fed directly back into the transport systems (roads and public transport alike)

As neither of these will ever happen, I shall object to tolls being charged!

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Reduction of bureaucrats in the NHS.
Have a separate English Parliament for England like the Welsh and Scottish things and then just meet up to compare notes.
Planning permission regulations should apply to everyone regardless of racial or ethnic origins.
People educated in this country (particularly dentists) should have to stay here for a minimum period in order to give some benefit back from what they have learned.
St George’s day to be a holiday in England with compulsory celebrations, flags to be flown etc.
A need for common sense where corporal punishment is concerned especially in schools and the nonsense about “human rights” to be re-evaluated.
Criminals to be punished for their crimes and victims to be compensated rather than vice versa, Prison sentences to be punishment and not a free ride to higher education and a cushy job on release. Bring back hard labour and chain gangs, get them doing some of the jobs like repairing towpaths and other clean-up and maintenance work things like clean up of litter etc.
Separate elections for the local party candidate and for the PM. So of we don’t like Tony Blair but do like Greg Pope we can vote accordingly.
A complete overhaul of the Income Tax and National Insurance systems.
Free NHS treatment and free prescriptions etc for all those who pay NI contributions, otherwise an opt-out clause for those who choose to go private and have private pensions.
Punishment for criminals to be punishment and not a free ride to higher education and a cushy job on release. Bring back hard labour and chain gangs, get them doing some of the jobs like repairing towpaths and other clean-up and maintenance work.
An overhaul on the immigration/benefits system to ensure that people don’t just come here for the free ride.

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It is a major problem that pixie and one I have heard of many times. 2 people ho want to live together but thay dont because they get more money single. It means the council are paying for 2 houses not 1 etc etc.

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Slightly off thread but I would like to see some evidence off this if you have any links.

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i think he was refering to gypsies that build trialor parks and houses in green belt areas and having nothing said to them although it is illigal to do so

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a stop put on immigration for x amount of years,a commitee to study in this period then a report outlining what will happen for future applicants. this is in no way racist just common sense.

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It either works out 2 ways - people like me who are honest enough NOT to take advantage of the situation or the two people move in together anyway and don't notify anyone and still claim all their "extras". Theres a couple near me who have been doing this for over two years and they haven't been sussed out.

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How about bringin back the Work House.. and we could make all the kids whose mum/dads are unemployed work for YOU for a bowl of gruel.. Common Sense Party? we could make Bill Sykes prime minister and Fagan could be chancellor ! Opps, just thought .. that might happen in may.

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Have you dropped them in it yet? If less were claiming there would be more money to go to genuine people ( or asylum seekers thanks Chav1 for showing me the error of my ways ) in the future.

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sorry m8 had to correct your post for you i hope you dont mind :D

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LOL that is more like it, I have corrected it.

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I'm confused. :confused:

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One local thing I'd change - I'd make sure that A'levels were taught in this area again. Even Acc & Ross College has stopped doing them.

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What are they doing instead of 'A' levels?

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Drugs, burglary and alcopops

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Spelling and grammar.

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Pot calling kettle black methinks!:)

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Never mind didn't edit fast enough. At least I realised the error of my ways and edited.:)

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As did I!! Just a little more slowly! And I gave a reason for it and admitted my mistake.:D

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Is that a racist pot, there Pixie? It's calling kettle back, surely?

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Sorry Tealeaf - I shall have to teach my pot to be more politically insane, er correct, in future!;)

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You could use the same expression as my mother-in-law. " The pot calling the kettle sooty a**e."

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Scotland and Wales need migration as their populations are falling as people move to the 'heart of europe' [Rhine-Benelux-Paris/London]. Its having an impact on rural as well as urban communities who are having to manage decline.

Here in the North West we are importing all sorts of profesionals due to our dopey leaders of past. In Hyndburn dentists from Poland are arriving so we can have dentists for 'those that have to work for a living'. If your suggesting that we all have rotten teeth so you get to keep 'your' immigrants out then you wouldn't get my vote.[I often suspect what is really meant is Asians rather than immigrants]

The NHS has the biggest bureacracy in Europe if you count anyone who ever uses a pen once during the day. Our Health Authority here in Hyndburn spends 3.5% on management, in line with the NHS average. On the continent it is much higher because they health care, whilst subsidised, is run by the more expensive private sector. This problem is exacerbated in the US and is the reason why US citizens spend 14% of GDP on healthcare as opposed to 8-10% in europe. Britain needs to keep accelerating public expenditure in Health Care for the next few years to get to 8% of GDp from the 4% it was for many years. It was a miracle Health Care was provided at such levels.

Take MRSA. In the early 90's when weaker strains began to profilerate it was jumped on in Europe and is largely absent now. However an underfunded NHS with contracted out cleaners resulted in poor cleanliness and little will/effort to control infections. No records were ever kept until around 2000 at which point there was at least the will to recognise and do something about.

The NHS will never correct 20 years of decline in 6 years. Like doctor and dentist training [7 years]. You have to work out that snap judgements and daft political rhetoric lead to foolish policy.

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when people say imigrants i dont think they mean just asians

i think they are more concerned about people getting into the country who only want to get here to bleed our economy dry or kill us with chemicals

we get a great deal of imigrants from poland who are dentists , doctors and nurses which we actualy need and those people who want to work have our blessing to come here

what people are gainst are people coming here because they are poor in their country and can live 10x better life styles here simpy by claiming benefits and see no need to earn a living because although been on benifits isnt the best place to be financialy for us its a hell of a lot better than what they are used to in their own countries

the most sickening thing is that these scroungers once set up with a home and benifits send for their familys who also scrounge off our economy

racist remarks or pure fact its up to you how you see them but to put it simply its happening and its happening too much

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Let me just say a few words on the immigrant workforce.I have had a Polish gent working for me as a security guard.He speaks "a leetle" English,he has taken a year out of his studies in Poland to come back and work here again because in the 3 months he was with us last year he earned enough to pay for his next year's tutoring and bought a BMW! I know that most of the workforce in the Evesham area is East European because no one else will accept that kind of money for picking fruit/veg. Having said that,our lovely Polish guard is the best we have ever had;and that includes English speaking ,trained and experienced guards![with the exception of one]

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no problem at all with people who come here to work as we desperatly need doctors , dentists and other things

one thing we dont need is more scroungers we have enough of them already

it wont be long before we are relying on imigrants to be teachers as well because in a lot of schools that job is so bad people dont want to be teachers either anymore

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he he i have just sent a link of this topic to Mr Tony Blair

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I would like to see heavy fines for littering. The law is already in place to enable this but it is not enforced. I would also like this to be extended to spitting in the street and public urination which also seems to be ignored.

A ban on TV and radio advertising of all these so-called legal companies who ambulance chase clients.

Bringing back corporal punishment in schools and for petty crimes. I think I would be a regular at the local floggings...:D

The minimum age for learning to drive and owning a car to be increased, or a ban on anyone under the age of 25 from owning a car above 1200cc. All drivers to have a mandatory update and assessment of their driving skills every 5 years. I don't mean for this to be a driving test merely an assessment and update of highway code, general driving skills and courtesy on the roads.

All persons living in this country for 5 years or less to pay for medical treatment (including emergency and maternity) upfront. All persons requesting non-essential surgery to pay for the treatment eg, ritual circumcisions, reversal of sterilisations.

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Stand in the next elections Lettie I will vote for you.x

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Why don't you send it to Greg Pope and James Mawdsley and the other bods who are trying to get elected around here - see what they all say?

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i dont have there e-mail address

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[email protected]

Or you could try this: http://www.faxyourmp.com/

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The conservative candidate:
[email protected]

Liberal-Democrats:
http://www.libdems.org.uk/party/peop...nyourarea.html

Sadly, I cannot find any other address for Greg Pope than the one Cashman has already posted. His personal website is not working. Perhaps he feels that the election is already in the bag and so he needn't try too hard to canvass our votes.

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His website isn't working because it's government funded and in the run up to the election that's not fair practice to have one of the candidates promotional tools funded by public money.

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if only they were as cautious with our money after and before an election lol