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I’m sorry Tealeaf I think that a bit strong, You shouldn't keep having a go at Gayle. You will be asking her if there’s funding for a multicultural dress making stall next.

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It's a committee made up of members from each of those organisations. Have you ever been to a Mela because if you had you would know that it is more than a few bongo drums, a curry stall and some general tomfoolery.

It's six hours of entertainment, live music, clowns, craft workshops, aromatherapy healing, fun fair and a lot more. And it is absolutely free.

Total cost to organise is between £11,000 and £17,000, and that all goes towards the activities - none of the organisers profit, neither do the organisations they work for. The money comes from external funding sources.

Over 5,000 people went to last year's event.

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I'm not having a go at Gayle. She's the one who is always having a go at me. My questiion was simply how much was this was going to cost the taxpayer (or,as Gayle calls the taxpayer, "external funding"),as compared to the cost of the carnival. She's not answered it. How much did the tax payer contribute to the carnival?

The fact that most of what is on offer at this mele is utter rubbish is another matter.

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It doesn't float my boat either, but it will give the youngsters something to occupy themselves with...so it can't all be bad.

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Last years Mela pics here : http://kipax.fotopic.net/c253297.html

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I was being ferocious Tea. I like Gayle, but I would also be inclined to question the amounts spent on Multicultural events as apposed to the fact that funding for good old white Anglo-Saxon (Celtic in my case) is seemingly non existent. If I have offended anyone with the Bomb making quip I would apologise but only for my bad taste in my timing.

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OK I’ve looked at the photos, I was talking out of my a*** as usual. I apologise unreservedly, However, why should a fun day out for the kids be spoilt by stall holders profiting from regional funding by selling cheep clothes. I hope they have paid for a licence to trade? Maybe those nice people over the channel could come and sell some of there nice T-shirts

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I've just hd a look at Kipax's pictures....this mele stuff is even worse than I thought.

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not my bag at all kipax, but looked quite a good day out for the younger end,so that can't be bad.

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Tealeaf, having just looked at the photos again (thanks KIPAX), maybe we’re at fault here, maybe we’re getting old and hadn’t really noticed.

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When have I ever had a go at you? External funders in this instance means lottery sources.

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In general when the words multi cultural are used, people seem to assume that it's being organised solely for the local asian population. That is a load of tosh - multi cultural is exactly what it says and the event is being organised for ALL members of the Hyndburn community. We get a good mix of the population there, white-asian, old-young, families-couples etc. Everyone gets on and has a party together - what better thing can there be for local race relations.

If you don't like what's on offer then ok you can refuse to come but don't dismiss it as tosh simply because it is not to your liking.

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Oh, and another thing - please don't dismiss it as tosh if you're not even prepared to come along and experience it. If you haven't been there then what sort of knowledge base are you talking from?

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Eh? I hope you're joking, Gayle. My understanding is that lottery funding is only made on the basis of long-term benefit..............Can you please expain to me why 17K or whatever it is is being thrown away on 6 hours of gibberish?

Can you please advise how Staggers and me can have 17K from the lottery for this summer's Church Beer Fest. We might be able to do it with 15K, but no less (money that his - we need him).

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The long term benefit is that you get a multic cultural community that is prepared to work together. The money is not thrown away and it is not gibberish - you're undermining a lot of hard work and enthusiasm by dismissing it in that way. You're also fueling all the racist arguments that have caused so much trouble in the past.

As for your other questions - if I thought for one minute that you were seriously capable of organising an event that 5,000 people came to then I might seriously consider applying for the funding for you.

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I trust then, there will be a gay & lesbian stand; I'm sure there are a few members of the Accy web who would be prepared to 'man'it.

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Yes, if any gay/lesbian groups wanted to pitch up then yes, we would let them.

By the way, we also let southerners in as well - see, it's open to everyone!

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Yes, the few traders that we allow in do pay for the stall, which goes towards the general pot for putting the event on. We don't allow that many traders as it turns it into a commercial venture which it isn't intended to be.

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Its easy, Gayle - when you know how! Stick the cheque in the post (Stag, Bank Street, Church) and we will show you.

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If only it were so easy.

Send me your completed proposal for the event and I'll get you an application form.

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I have never been to the Mela, so can't comment. I would however like to say that events such as this may be laid on to help cultures integrate. In my experience of such events (although on a smaller scale), the people who want to get out there and integrate with their local multi-cultural community will do so. Those who need to integrate usually don't want to, no matter what free services we throw at them and are quite content to have everybody tippy toeing around them and giving them information in their own languages.

I will probably have a look at the Mela this year, but I'm willing to put money on there being loads of people that I know there from ethnic minorities who always attend events, and those who we would like to see there won't attend.

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So there would be no objections from the other exhibitors and artists should a gay & lesbian group set up a stall?

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Can't argue in some respects and yes, there are people on all sides who don't want to integrate. But if you don't put opportunities out there then no one benefits.

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Why do you think that there would be objections?

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Eventually, you've stopped calling it MPAA - so you have been listening to me after all. Now, if you could only pay attention to the fact that it's a mela and not a mele.....lol

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Only precedence from Mele's here in London (there was one in Tower Hamlets several years ago where the gay stall was pitched next to one of the local Islamist societies; I recall one of the gays was murdered). Maybe the Koran is read differently back in Accy.

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I know I will regret this……Tealeaf she’s beating you hand over fist. Not only is this woman strong, she’s funny as well. I think her Kiwi’s might be bigger than yours……..

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It is a Mela and Community Festival. Can't comment on what happens at other Melas. As far as I know most gays and lesbians are members of the community.

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I wouldn't stand too close to me Doug, you might just end up being accused of being a liberal, money wasting, art loving lesbian as well! lol

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How the **** can I be accused of being a lesbian?

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I'm sure you can't but based on the tone of some of Tealeafs other arguments I wouldn't be surprised if he tried.

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Hmmmmm. OK. So we can antiipate seeing a gay & lesbian stall then?

However, you have still not answered my very original question.

The Accy carnival has a history going back to the 1920's, and in turn this is based upon the old, street walking festivals. Over the years, it has been done by several local organistions with contribution of many small buisnesses. It has raised an awful lot of money for charity, yet has received minimal public funding. Yet the mele gets large public funding.
Why?

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The Carnival charges £2 entry whereas the Mela is free. And yes, the Mela gets public funding but local businesses contributing to an event is also a form of funding isn't it? Except that the Mela isn't marred by any sort of commercialism/advertising, etc, nor is it marred by people jangling buckets in your face every five minutes to get extra cash. It's just a different way of organising an event.

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Exactly. I have no problem with a Mela, but I do have a problem with it's funding. If someone wants one, then let them pay the commercial cost. We do not go for an afternoons entertainment at a reasonable football game or to the cinema, or to a rock concert, and expect not to pay. The same principle should apply here. This wanton discrimination should be ended now.

Thank you, Gayle...that is all I have to say for tonight

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Oh well I like the idea of a free festival of any kind. I shall be sorry that we're away when this is on. Maybe we'll delay going for a couple of days if poss so we can be there and enjoy it.

I like the Morcambe Light & Water festival too and would be sorry to see then end of that if it doesn't get funding. That's free too and a great weekend's entertainment with bands and stalls. (and fireworks)

I loved the Lancaster Georgian Fair too and was sorry that was axed last year because there was no funding.

Do we have to miss out on things which can be an enjoyable day out for so many people? Lets be thankful we have the support for this and just enjoy what we've got whilst it's there. Heaven knows there's little enough in Accy to get excited about.

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Thanks Willow, I was beginning to feel a bit under fire there. I'm glad it's appreciated by some people.

Hope you can make it on August 7th.

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Mela time is drawing near - only a week and a half to go to 7th August.

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people complain - nag nag nag nag - we dont know what those ***** are doin we dont know this we dont know that. that custom is just stupid that sport is just lame. blah blah blah blah blah...

so when there is a chance to integrate people start complaining. remember there was a time when such festivals for anglo-saxons were free adn aided along by the public fund. but people turned them into £150 tickets and called it glastonbury. what about the various shows that go on aroudn the country? the free music festivals? i dont see no asian acts on there. maybe nitin sawheney but he hardly is a traditional asian dj. i know rock fm does the free party in the parks and i'm sure they dont pay for all the policing and clean up. same with the radio one shows. whilst they were there - fat boy slims beach thing. that was free.

yes u will get funding for what u want provided a wide variety of people will want to come and experience it. a sorry excuse for a **** up is not worth 17k in anyone's pint. i like a cold carlsberg as much as anyone but 17k?

instead of knocking i dare u to go and see what the 17K is spent on.

from kipax's pics...

http://kipax.fotopic.net/p6550375.html

wow soo many asians there. i cant even spot a single non-asian.

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typical hyndburn council promoting foriegn ****e as usual.... what about a concert done by
british blooded musicians who play british music? why not promote french music instead
and turn this mela into a melee! .... hyndburn council have prooved their incompetance again
even britcliffe admitted he doesnt know what he is doing ( his excuse for selling off this town to foreigners ) if the retard had said that 20 yrs ago maybe they wouldnt have squandered at least 60mil ... this town has been killed by your own council , at least the great northern town of
durham told the council to swivel when they opted to privatise the council houses...you should monitor their progress...at least they were more sensible than hyndburn who think things will get better cus they (very stupidly) voted for the privatisation by being conned by the council cowboys who even put a little vid together to entertain the monkeys....aaaaaahhhhhh
(one hundred and fifty grand wasted on a ten minute video)
how very conservative of hyndburn homes to think about their precious little jobs which they should all lose in the eyes of justice...but in todays sick and depraved society is rewarded.. by
biological entities who never advanced past the stage of zygot...and never will...
you have all been conned for so long , why have all the major employers left to go abroad in order to maximise profits? lancashire used to be great... the cotton mills... prestige..platts..
r.o.f. phillips ... etc etc ... even our rolls royce is foreign!!! as a patriot to my country it is my duty to inform you all that there are acts of treachery going on in the council offices (which is still punishable by the death penalty)..but dont bother telling the filth, cus satan stevenson and his band of bent bobbys are in it too...so anyone fancy making a citizens arrest?

p.s. talking about bent bobbies there will be a newer upbeat version of "worlds best at sarcasm"
ft clitheroe constabulary ...(mixed by jc) ... plus something from the album we are working on at the moment called "THE HARLEQUINS OF HYNDBURN" ... i will let you know for sure before i go
away for a few weeks ....in fact our collective of musicians have come up with enough material
for a trilogy! but it takes a long time here at bassland cus our equipment is old and useless and
have tried everywhere to get funding...from the hyndburn enterprise trust to the national lottery but so far we have received nothing...too busy trying to save the world when everything AROUND YOU is dying ... i will post a notice sometime next week when the tunes are ready

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The thing is that the Mela is just one event that I'm involved in and it has a specific target market - young people, asian people and families from all cultures. For example, I'm working on the VE/VJ event which is targeted more at a different older audience.

One event can't be everything to everyone and people who complain about particular events probably won't complain about events that are targeted for them.

The only way to improve the Culture and Leisure in this area is to try to provide something for everyone but that doesn't mean the same thing for everyone. So, if you don't fancy coming to the Mela that's fine, but don't knock it simply because it's not to your taste. All, I can say is that there are people in this borough doing our best to provide a varied programme of events and activities, and we're doing our best but it's like wading through treacle sometimes.

We have very few resources and rely on funding to make some of these things happen. But if there is anything specific that you'd really like me to try and organise, then let me know and I'll see what I can do - let's be constructive here please.

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Final reminder - the mela is this weekend. Sunday, 12.30 - 7.00, Oakhill Park, Acc.

Don't knock it till you've tried it!

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If anyone does decide to come to the mela come and find me and say hello - I'd like to put faces to names.

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Are you going to be staying in one place, or are you going to moving around all over the place.....Hope to make it for an hour are so towards the end.....

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good question *LOL*

how do we find u?

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Tricky question - I will be moving around a lot. I'll have an organisers pass on. I'll be wearing jeans and a bluish top.

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So what did you think? I saw a couple of you and a couple more that I didn't get chance to talk to.

I'm really tired now. I think it was a good event. No trouble, good bands, great crowd - fantastic food. Plus, we did it on a tighter budget than we thought we were going to have which worked out ok.

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I have to agree with Gayle, it was a good afternoon. I went for a couple of hours and enjoyed every minute of it. The music was very good for the most part if a little loud for my ageing ears. Gayle was a delight to meet and I’m sure she is knackered because she was working very hard for all concerned. Not to sure about the food, I’ll let you know tomorrow? I would have liked to have seen a few more waist bins around and more people using them other than that enjoyable.

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Kipax has some pictures on his site if you'd care to look.

You had a good sunny day for it.:)

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It was a very nice day for it Rindy, The cloud thickened up a little mid afternoon but soon burnt off. I’ve had a look at Kipax’s photos earlier, as always colourful and interesting, wish I had spotted him. I took a few shot’s but their not that good……I didn’t think I would have enjoyed it really but I was quite surprised by how good the music was. Gayle, is it possible to see if something like this could be done for the youth of Accy, new and amateur bands looking to get there music heard….A party in the Park type thing?

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Just had a look at Kippax's pictures, and found this: -

http://kipax.fotopic.net/p18511205.html

The guy on the left is me!

I had a great time, and I hope everyone else did.
Going to bed now. I'm shattered!

semihere

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Nice to see you rmb303...It was a good do. You folks did a good job up there well done. Welcome to the site, enjoy...........

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Some good pictures there KIPAX, shame you didn't say hi. I saw you taking the picture of the face painted helpers and wondered who you were.

As for you rmb303 - well done. Tell Tim I said hi!

Yes park381 I did work hard to promote it and it paid off, there were about 5,000 people came throughout the day. All credit though has to go to Amran and Janet who did most of the organising, it's a team effort and they did far more than me with this one.

So this is my final word on the subject - thanks to those who came and we'll see you next year.

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Gayle.. there where so many people with proffesional looking cameras I am surprised you would know which one was me...I didn't see you As far as I know :)

I was quite surprised the amount of people with full kit camera bags setting people up for pics.. Thats why I didn't take so many.. people get peed off with so many camera men about.....

I got more artistic later on in Bilsborrow.. what a nice place :)

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Avatar aside, was you the tallish decent looking chap in the grey shirt?.....

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if your talking to me? then no... not by a country mile :)

I had two little lads in tow with me.... the ones on the football table in the pic...