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flashy 18-06-2008 08:02
legal or illegal taxi drivers?
 
I was just stood at the kitchen window making Reece his breakfast when a taxi pulled up across the road, i noticed the taxi driver change his badges on the side of the car from 24/7 taxi's to Darwen private hire....now is it me or does anyone else think something dodgy is going on? are taxi drivers allowed to be registered with 2 different taxi firms at the same time? had this taxi driver intercepted another firms fair and changed his badges to suit the pickup? surely they wont be insured for two seperate firms....anyone any ideas?


maybe Slinks could answer this one

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 08:13
Re: legal or illegal taxi drivers?
 
AS taxi and private hire are two different things and a private hire car can't pick up from a taxi rank maybe they can be registered as both so they can do both.

flashy 18-06-2008 08:18
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maybe willow, i've just never ever seen a taxi do that before

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 08:26
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We shall have to wait for an official type reply from Slinks - I could text Busman as he was once a taxi driver but I think he's a bit busy driving a coach at the mo.

emzy 18-06-2008 08:38
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What about the taxis that drive round with 2 taxi names on them?? Are they the same business but with another name?

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 08:38
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I've just come across an interesting bit of bumph:

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Local Authorities are required not to grant a licence unless they are satisfied that the vehicle is suitable in type, size and design for use as a Private Hire Vehicle, is not of such design and appearance as to lead any person to believe that it is a taxi

I am sure I've had PHVs come here to pick us up and had a bloomin great "TAXI" sign on the top! :D

The trouble is when you phone for a PHV they answer the phone and say "taxis".

flashy 18-06-2008 08:53
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hmmmmm thats interesting

cashman 18-06-2008 09:00
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could be hes working fer 2 firms at the same time? taxi drivers aint making much at the moment (as my mate next door tells me),folk get 2 jobs to keep the wolf from the door. just a thought.:confused:

flashy 18-06-2008 09:01
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yeah but thats what i'm asking cashy, is it legal to work for two taxi firms at the same time? surely they need to be insured

Royboy39 18-06-2008 09:09
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 594311)
could be hes working fer 2 firms at the same time? taxi drivers aint making much at the moment (as my mate next door tells me),folk get 2 jobs to keep the wolf from the door. just a thought.:confused:
As I understand it, A Private Hire Vehicle Licence is taken out by the owner of the vehicle....The driver has also to be licenced also for PHV.
Sometimes you will get two or more drivers using the same vehicle, provided the vehicle is insured for these drivers there is no problem.
Taxi firms are nothing more that agencies that run an office to pass on to the drivers, jobs as they come in. The firms collect rents for the upkeep of this service and some also rent radios from the firms.
Taxi Drivers who are self employed can work for anyone.

cashman 18-06-2008 09:16
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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 594314)
As I understand it, A Private Hire Vehicle Licence is taken out by the owner of the vehicle....The driver has also to be licenced also for PHV.
Sometimes you will get two or more drivers using the same vehicle, provided the vehicle is insured for these drivers there is no problem.
Taxi firms are nothing more that agencies that run an office to pass on to the drivers, jobs as they come in. The firms collect rents for the upkeep of this service and some also rent radios from the firms.
Taxi Drivers who are self employed can work for anyone.
was thinking along similar lines, when i had a hackney license 3 of us used the same black cab.;)

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 09:35
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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 594314)
Taxi firms are nothing more that agencies that run an office to pass on to the drivers, jobs as they come in. The firms collect rents for the upkeep of this service and some also rent radios from the firms.
Taxi Drivers who are self employed can work for anyone.
But those are Private Hires Royboy, not taxis. Taxis are the ones where they sit on a rank or you whistle at them in the street in London and they drive past you and don't take a blind bit of notice ;). Private Hires are the ones you ring up for. What we are wondering is can a driver be both at the same time. That bit of bumph I quoted seems to indicate that a PHV should not have anything on it to imply that it is a taxi.

I got it from here, page 20, section 3.31 "England and Wales Outside London" The document makes it very clear that there must be a distinction between the two and a passenger must be able to identify the vehicle as either a PHV or a taxi. So is it legal to be both?

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 09:36
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 594316)
was thinking along similar lines, when i had a hackney license 3 of us used the same black cab.;)
Yes the vehicle is licensed but so are the individual taxi drivers.

Royboy39 18-06-2008 09:41
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 594322)
But those are Private Hires Royboy, not taxis. Taxis are the ones where they sit on a rank or you whistle at them in the street in London and they drive past you and don't take a blind bit of notice ;). Private Hires are the ones you ring up for. What we are wondering is can a driver be both at the same time. That bit of bumph I quoted seems to indicate that a PHV should not have anything on it to imply that it is a taxi.

I got it from here, page 20, section 3.31 "England and Wales Outside London" The document makes it very clear that there must be a distinction between the two and a passenger must be able to identify the vehicle as either a PHV or a taxi. So is it legal to be both?
Google it...........:)

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 09:42
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I did - that is where I got the PDF document in my link.

Royboy39 18-06-2008 09:42
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 594323)
Yes the vehicle is licensed but so are the individual taxi drivers.
I said that in my post ;)

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 09:45
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And I am agreeing with you both..... as per the PDF document which I Googled up. :)

Royboy39 18-06-2008 09:54
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Try this link..............That should clear it up.

http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/server.php?show=nav.295

derekgas 18-06-2008 16:59
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When I worked in bury, the taxi rank had a base on irwell street, the cars on the rank pulled off when a private job came in, one independent only got flag or rank work, and another private hire firm owned two hackney cabs and used to send them for private bookings, but private hire cannot be flagged down, or work the rank, it has to be pre-booked, dont know if working for two firms is allowed on private hire, we had a cab recently, (private hire) and there was no meter in it, I thought they had to have meters now, but the driver said not.

man4u50s 18-06-2008 17:25
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Hi, I am an ex blackburn taxi driver and one firm i worked for had 2 private hire names and 2 different phone numbers, but we never had to switch the signs on the side. I think your right if the driver was switching names there was something wrong. Frank

flashy 18-06-2008 18:35
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ah thanks for that Frank, i just thought it was a bit sus, 24/7 might own Darwen private hire but surely you would need to have some sort of insurance for both?

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 19:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 594341)
Try this link..............That should clear it up.

http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/server.php?show=nav.295

I couldn't find anything on there which says whether you can be both at the same time.

Royboy39 18-06-2008 19:13
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 594626)
I couldn't find anything on there which says whether you can be both at the same time.
Ok...Try this link...a simple email will get you the right answer.

[email protected]

WillowTheWhisp 18-06-2008 19:19
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I might give them a ring tomorrow.

man4u50s 19-06-2008 09:37
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re; Insurence, i had my own car when i was on the taxi's ( private hire ) it was insured as a private hire vechicle, you dont need to specify which company you work for, but you do have to be registered with the local council as to which firm you are working for. Frank

slinky 19-06-2008 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 594598)
ah thanks for that Frank, i just thought it was a bit sus, 24/7 might own Darwen private hire but surely you would need to have some sort of insurance for both?
Well it isn't the firm that insures you. As a taxi driver you pay your own insurance like you would any car.

Now, this is a hard one flashy. Not sure if private hire can work for 2 companies at the same time :confused: Can't see why not, but not sure.

And you don't know if he was private hire or Hackney. Now, Ginger works for a private hire company BUT, he has a Duel badge. A duel badge means he can quite easily go and park on the taxi rank in town and he is well in his right to do so, and well with in his rights to swap and change. If you are ever not sure if something is legal and above board, look at the yellow badge on the back. This will have, the car make, the drivers number AND whether they are Hackney, private or duel. And never be afraid to ask to see their personal badge that is round their neck, and they should ALWAYS ALWAYS wear this when working.

As for the company might be the same company and he was just swapping his signs over.... I can't see that. C/O that ginger works for is ... Church and ossy taxi' and Hyndburn cabs, but they never have to swap their signs.:confused:

flashy 19-06-2008 15:45
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was talking to a taxi driver about it earlier and he said the taxi driver in question was probably doing a contract for Darwen Private hire and thats why he changed his badges

man4u50s 19-06-2008 18:45
Re: legal or illegal taxi drivers?
 
Hi. I have just spoke to a taxi driver ( private hire ), he said darwen private hire and 24/7 were the same company although not anymore, he had nevr heard of anyone changing their signs on the side but said it was quite possible as an indpendent driver to be registerd to work for both companies, he could have been going to the next job for the other firm. Frank

flashy 19-06-2008 19:01
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yeah i think he must still be doing the school contract or something from Darwen Hire, thanx for explaining that Man4u


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