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heth 29-01-2011 04:46

Using heat from a Crematorium........
 
Plan to use crematorium to heat swimming pool is branded sick - mirror.co.uk

What does everyone think of this article?
I am unsure what to think to be honest!!!:eek:

steeljack 29-01-2011 05:45

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since most crematoriums are situated in graveyards the excess heat could be utilized during the winter/cold periods for thawing out the ground out on the vacant plots so the Council cry-babies and thieving undertakers have no excuse for not burying the dead in a timely manner during old spells.

anyone remember the HBC mini scandal of a few years back when the underpaid/overworked Council employees were caught weighing in the gold teeth and 'Grandmas' wedding rings found in the cremains.... they thought it was a perk of the job, now it's supposed to go into the Council general fund to keep the Council tax down .

Question , anyone know if and how much shows up as on the annual financial statement :eek: ;)

Margaret Pilkington 29-01-2011 06:49

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Personally, I have no problem with it.
I don't consider it disrespectful to the deceased person or to their family........after all the cremation is dealing with human remains in a dignified way, and the by product is being made use of by the community at large......for the good of that community.
Recycling taken to its limit.

MargaretR 29-01-2011 07:08

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I agree with MargaretP - the heat should be used if it is economically practical.
However, we shouldn't allow more use of the dead than that.
I chillingly recall the film Soylent Green, and the phrase 'Soylent Green is people'.

garinda 29-01-2011 07:21

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I have no problem with the heat generated being used for some other purpose.

Though if we all get a little sack of grit next year, delivered from the crematory, they might be walking on thin ice.

Romps 29-01-2011 07:28

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Think is a great idea, reuse, recycle, reduce, reheat!!!

cashman 29-01-2011 07:54

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dont see owy wrong wi it at all, newspapers trying to stir the crap, to sell em simples.:rolleyes:

jaysay 29-01-2011 09:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 878849)
dont see owy wrong wi it at all, newspapers trying to stir the crap, to sell em simples.:rolleyes:

Well it was the Mirror cashy, not really my preferred choice of reading. but whats wrong with it, make sense to me.

DaveinGermany 29-01-2011 11:54

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Seems like a sensible solution to a problem that's plaguing the UK at present. It also aids in saving resources, reduces emissions, saves land from being used in the form of graveyards & you'd be helping your community even when you've gone. Personally I wouldn't be concerned about it.

jaysay 29-01-2011 13:45

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Well I'm actually being cremated when its time for that big Web Site in the Sky or down there whichever, there'll be some heat generated that day I can tell you:D

Margaret Pilkington 29-01-2011 14:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 878845)
Though if we all get a little sack of grit next year, delivered from the crematory, they might be walking on thin ice.

Again, I have no problem with what they do with the grit either...after all. most families only want a little bit.......and most of them will not really know that it isn't really their relative(or that is what I was told).....it is just symbolic. If we can heat the town, and keep the roads clear then our dear departed will have done a wonderful last job.

Less 29-01-2011 14:12

The amount of heat recycled is going to be a very minuscule amount from a body, most of it will be from the fuel needed to get the body to combust.
Well done Margaretr for mixing your favourite sifi film with reality you make AccyWeb so much more imaginative, thank you.

Margaret Pilkington 29-01-2011 14:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 878943)
The amount of heat recycled is going to be a very minuscule amount from a body, most of it will be from the fuel needed to get the body to combust.

That is true, so it makes sense to re-use as much of it as possible.

Retlaw 29-01-2011 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 878938)
Well I'm actually being cremated when its time for that big Web Site in the Sky or down there whichever, there'll be some heat generated that day I can tell you:D

A thowt tha sed tha wur bein burid at sea, so we cud aw dance on thi grave, methi mind up.:D:D:D:p:p

garinda 29-01-2011 17:25

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Use the heat created, and lessen the carbon footprint, by cutting transport costs to the crematorium.

'Another leg on the fire dear?'

:dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam:

Less 29-01-2011 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 878979)
Use the heat created, and lessen the carbon footprint, by cutting transport costs to the crematorium.

'Another leg on the fire dear?'

:dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam:

Most of us don't have a fire, will a micro-wave oven be environmentally friendly enough, (doesn't do a good crackling though).

heth 29-01-2011 18:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 878979)
Use the heat created, and lessen the carbon footprint, by cutting transport costs to the crematorium.

'Another leg on the fire dear?'

:dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam::dflam:


Made me chuckle that!!!!
After reading all the comments I now see that it aint such a bad idea, just didnt know whther some people would find it a bit spooky thats all!!

garinda 29-01-2011 18:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 878987)
Most of us don't have a fire, will a micro-wave oven be environmentally friendly enough, (doesn't do a good crackling though).

Then you'd just better hope for another bar-b-que summer.

Otherwise it'll be down the pork scratching yard for you...or the Big Mac griddle.

:D

walkinman221 29-01-2011 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 878941)
Again, I have no problem with what they do with the grit either...after all. most families only want a little bit.......and most of them will not really know that it isn't really their relative(or that is what I was told).....it is just symbolic. If we can heat the town, and keep the roads clear then our dear departed will have done a wonderful last job.

I would say its a good idea if it can be done, for some of them it will be the first time they have done anything for anybody else:D. And as for not knowing if its their relative or not i can say from first hand experience [at least at burnley crem whilst building the rememberance garden] that each individual is just that an individual and not mixed with any others.

Margaret Pilkington 29-01-2011 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 879008)
I would say its a good idea if it can be done, for some of them it will be the first time they have done anything for anybody else:D. And as for not knowing if its their relative or not i can say from first hand experience [at least at burnley crem whilst building the rememberance garden] that each individual is just that an individual and not mixed with any others.

Oh, that is a new one on me.......I'm sure someone told me that the cremated remains were not individually done....but perhaps they were just winding me up.

heth 29-01-2011 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 879025)
Oh, that is a new one on me.......I'm sure someone told me that the cremated remains were not individually done....but perhaps they were just winding me up.

I had heard the same Marg but then read a artcle somewhere that put my mind at ease explaining that every body is "done" individually.

MargaretR 29-01-2011 20:20

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I was told by a crematorium worker that what you get is the bones after they have been put in a grinder (because that is all that survives the fire)

Margaret Pilkington 29-01-2011 20:20

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When I was scratching my head...trying to remeber, I think I saw it on TV......there was some series on a couple of years ago regarding disposal of bodies.....it wasn't local.

Margaret Pilkington 29-01-2011 20:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 879027)
I was told by a crematorium worker that what you get is the bones after they have been put in a grinder (because that is all that survives the fire)

Yes, that is right......my Dad's ashes were more like grey grit....quite coarse.......I expected it to be like dust really.

cashman 29-01-2011 20:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 878978)
A thowt tha sed tha wur bein burid at sea, so we cud aw dance on thi grave, methi mind up.:D:D:D:p:p

i said that not him.:eek:

MargaretR 29-01-2011 20:49

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John(Jaysay) said it too - the consumers of crabsticks might need to know that ;)

cashman 29-01-2011 20:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 879025)
Oh, that is a new one on me.......I'm sure someone told me that the cremated remains were not individually done....but perhaps they were just winding me up.

Perhaps its now different from early 70s?:confused: was told by a good mate, who was working at a crem,as a contractor, they did em at night 3/4 at a time.

walkinman221 29-01-2011 21:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 879039)
Perhaps its now different from early 70s?:confused: was told by a good mate, who was working at a crem,as a contractor, they did em at night 3/4 at a time.

Well as i said when i worked at Burnley crem about 15 years ago the cremators were single units and could only take one at a time, as for whats left its not a lot because at 1200 degrees bones burn to more or less nothing.This is a bit gruesome but the hardest bit to get rid of was the brain. When complete the remains are scanned with a magnet to remove any metal objects hip joints, watches, keys etc, then placed into a ball mill to reduce the remains to a coarse dust and then placed into a individual jar.

Gordon Booth 29-01-2011 21:09

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The article says they are using the residual heat AFTER the cremation as they cool the furnace(with a blast of air?). So the loved one is long gone, no disrespect given. They'll have to cool the furnace before they open the doors again(800C to 150C) or the next coffin would pre-ignite, set the curtains on fire and disrupt the service.
If you can accept taking home ground up bones you can accept waste heat left after the cremation being put to good use. No problem.

heth 29-01-2011 21:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 879042)
When complete the remains are scanned with a magnet to remove any metal objects hip joints, watches, keys etc, then placed into a ball mill to reduce the remains to a coarse dust and then placed into a individual jar.

:eek::eek: How do you get in the pearly gates with no key???:rolleyes:

walkinman221 29-01-2011 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heth (Post 879048)
:eek::eek: How do you get in the pearly gates with no key???:rolleyes:

It does not matter about your keys, your name has to be on the list, and they have a doorman:D

heth 29-01-2011 21:16

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 879050)
It does not matter about your keys, your name has to be on the list, and they have a doorman:D


Looks like I am going down in the lift then!!! ;)

walkinman221 29-01-2011 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heth (Post 879052)
Looks like I am going down in the lift then!!! ;)

In that case there will be plenty of residual heat:D to recycle:D

MargaretR 29-01-2011 21:19

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My insensitive nephew, who happens to be a consultant anaesthetist, cracked a joke in the taxi on the way to the crematorium for my mother's funeral, about what they would do with her metal hip.
People who deal with death every day have to detatch themselves from death by dealing with it flippantly.

heth 29-01-2011 21:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 879056)
My insensitive nephew, who happens to be a consultant anaesthetist, cracked a joke in the taxi on the way to the crematorium for my mother's funeral, about what they would do with her metal hip.
People who deal with death every day have to detatch themselves from death by dealing with it flippantly.


Bet that didnt go down very well MargR.

I agree they seem to be immune from death people in that profession but if they wernt then I suppose they would be going home every day in tears.

Less 30-01-2011 09:40

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 879056)
My insensitive nephew, who happens to be a consultant anaesthetist,

How can a person 'happen' to be an anaesthesist?
Was he signing on and sent for an interview by the dole?

Or did he actually qualify as a Doctor first?
:confused:

jaysay 30-01-2011 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 879027)
I was told by a crematorium worker that what you get is the bones after they have been put in a grinder (because that is all that survives the fire)

I heard that too Margaret, think it was covered in a TV program

jaysay 30-01-2011 10:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 879038)
John(Jaysay) said it too - the consumers of crab sticks might need to know that ;)

Ya but I've had a rethink, I only said that when the mother-in-law said she would dance on my grave:D

jaysay 30-01-2011 10:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 879050)
It does not matter about your keys, your name has to be on the list, and they have a doorman:D

If your not on Pete's list you ain't getting in:D

jaysay 30-01-2011 10:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 879114)
How can a person 'happen' to be an anaesthesist?
Was he signing on and sent for an interview by the dole?

Or did he actually qualify as a Doctor first?
:confused:

She's not listening Less:D

katex 30-01-2011 11:41

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It does seem a shame to waste all this heat. It is just the moral view that may hold this project up... hope they can go ahead with it though. According to a councillor for Redditch, would only take four years before savings would start to show, after the capital for the laying of pipes, etc.

Mind you, digressing a little, this I find a little more creepy whereby a Cambridge crematorium is looking to reduce us to liquid.

Handed your loved ones remains in a bottle, eh ? Would you get a choice of bottle ? Wonder if Less and Mick could choose one of their favourite beer bottles.... :D:D

Cambridge News | Latest News From In & Around Cambridge City | Latest Sports, Jobs & Business News in Cambridge Newspaper | Bodies could be dissolved or freeze-dried at crematorium

Margaret Pilkington 30-01-2011 11:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 879165)
It does seem a shame to waste all this heat. It is just the moral view that may hold this project up... hope they can go ahead with it though. According to a councillor for Redditch, would only take four years before savings would start to show, after the capital for the laying of pipes, etc.

Mind you, digressing a little, this I find a little more creepy whereby a Cambridge crematorium is looking to reduce us to liquid.

Handed your loved ones remains in a bottle, eh ? Would you get a choice of bottle ? Wonder if Less and Mick could choose one of their favourite beer bottles.... :D:D

Cambridge News | Latest News From In & Around Cambridge City | Latest Sports, Jobs & Business News in Cambridge Newspaper | Bodies could be dissolved or freeze-dried at crematorium


Kate, if they did would just hope that they label it well...wouldn't it be just awful to drink your mother in law by accident?! :D

garinda 30-01-2011 11:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 879165)
Mind you, digressing a little, this I find a little more creepy whereby a Cambridge crematorium is looking to reduce us to liquid.

If it happens we could make sure you're still turned on again, at least once a night.

http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.u...science006.jpg

:D

katex 30-01-2011 11:57

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Hahaha Margaret and Garinda .. laughter tears flopping on me cheeks... :D

DaveinGermany 30-01-2011 12:19

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 879171)
If it happens we could make sure you're still turned on again, at least once a night.

http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.u...science006.jpg

:D

Lava Gramps ? ;)

Less 30-01-2011 12:35

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 879169)
Kate, if they did would just hope that they label it well...wouldn't it be just awful to drink your mother in law by accident?! :D

Les' Dawson's
Appreciation Society
Joke of the day!

:worthy::notworthy

Margaret Pilkington 30-01-2011 13:20

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It made me smile Less.

katex 30-01-2011 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 879114)
How can a person 'happen' to be an anaesthesist?
Was he signing on and sent for an interview by the dole?

Or did he actually qualify as a Doctor first?
:confused:

Was there any point to this post, Less ? Just terminlogy .. which you know, and any excuse to have a go at your current selected target !:rolleyes:

As you probaby know, anaesthesists are extremely highly qualified people, and have to have a degree in medicine before spending more time to take additional qualifications.

Less 30-01-2011 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 879239)
Was there any point to this post, Less ? Just terminlogy .. which you know, and any excuse to have a go at your current selected target !:rolleyes:

As you probaby know, anaesthesists are extremely highly qualified people, and have to have a degree in medicine before spending more time to take additional qualifications.

As oppossed to you?

Having a go at the target you always head for? (I'll take it as a compliment, I refuse to ignore you).:D

Come on more regular, post more often, make more sense, (no, stay just the way you are), I'm willing to shift my sights, but you ain't reliable.:cool:

Gremlin 30-01-2011 18:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 879025)
Oh, that is a new one on me.......I'm sure someone told me that the cremated remains were not individually done....but perhaps they were just winding me up.

One Sunday afternoon I was walking around Accrington cemetery with my wife and we sat a while in the Chapel. There is an attendant there who will turn the pages in a book of remembrance for you if you want to see the entry for any person cremated there, he was a friendly chap and showed us "back stage" explaining every step of the procedure and how each coffin is put in a separate oven (I think there are three) which only holds one coffin at a time. The ashes are raked out after about an hour and a half and put in a box with the paper card which was first attached to the coffin and then outside of the oven before the fire was lit which is computer controlled. The boxes were all stacked on a shelf with the relevant card attached awaiting the deceased relative to take them or left for the staff to spread.

When the coffin leaves the Chapel after the service to go backstage I always thought it was on a motorised belt but it is just two chaps pulling it from behind.
I stood behind the lecturn where the Vicar stands and what amused me was the little sticker on it which said "Watch the clock".

The attendant told us he often gives people what they call "The two bob tour" on a Sunday afternoon when they start asking questions about the place.

Margaret Pilkington 30-01-2011 19:20

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Gremlin, that is good to know. The more I have thought about it, the more I think it was in a crem somewhere down south.....it was in a televised series a couple of years ago.

I have always been a bit curious about such things, and at one time I did consider working for an undertaker.

garinda 30-01-2011 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 879293)
I did consider working for an undertaker.


I'm glad that career option was overtaken by nursing.

:)

jaysay 31-01-2011 09:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 879169)
Kate, if they did would just hope that they label it well...wouldn't it be just awful to drink your mother in law by accident?! :D

:eek::eek::eek::eek:Mother-in Law, Margaret, hell sulphuric acid would do less damage:D

jaysay 31-01-2011 09:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 879244)
As oppossed to you?

Having a go at the target you always head for? (I'll take it as a compliment, I refuse to ignore you).:D

Come on more regular, post more often, make more sense, (no, stay just the way you are), I'm willing to shift my sights, but you ain't reliable.:cool:

Ya mean you can't hit a moving target Less:rolleyes::D

Less 31-01-2011 11:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 879308)
I'm glad that career option was overtaken by nursing.

:)

She had plans of being a luvvie in the Theatre but kept Corpsing!
:(

jedimaster 31-01-2011 14:47

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seems perfectly acceptable and sensible to me

jaysay 31-01-2011 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 879420)
She had plans of being a luvvie in the Theatre but kept Corpsing!
:(

Hope you have a body of evidence to back that up Less:rolleyes:


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