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Linking back to the World Maths Day Thread Today thread on here and gpick24’s posts showing not a little frustration at some replies back.
My reply # 176

I've opened up this thread here in the Anything Goes forum gpick.
Mr Carroll's verses may help you adjusting to the peeps on here.


The Walrus and The Carpenter

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I like the Walrus and the Carpenter.......they are astute fellows....they get the oysters to walk with them, all the while entertaining thoughts of how good they are going to taste.
If you are alluding to the thread wandering properties of the forum...do your every day conversations not meander in this way?
Or are you trying to tell us that we all talk nonsense?
If you are alluding to the thread wandering...isn't there already a thread on this subject?

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Closed down by the mods a few days ago Margaret - apparently some folks were upset that it was resorting to name calling.

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Oh....I hadn't noticed it had gone...or that it had attracted such unwanted attention.
Thank you for setting me straight Sue.

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I think he's actually referring to a certain perceived level of duplicity & connivance that appears from time to time.

But what do I know ? Perhaps I'm presuming much & knowing little. :idunno:

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Roger that to all of those things Margaret. :D

Dave in Germany said it in maybe a more eloquent fashion on his gnomic World Maths Day post to gpick and I quote
" As you progress (should you choose to stay around) through the intrigues, clannishness & as some would have you believe "Cliquism" of the Accyweb halls of artifice & chicanery, you will note underlying currents & trends, those popular at court will thrive, while those on the periphery may either wither & die, or become enmeshed within the tricksyness of it all"

My post was meant to be thought provoking and aye mischievious but also stimulating ;)
All human life is there, cabbages and all.

I could have posted one on waxed bread wrappers but that's been done before ;)

Hey and shutting down that Wandering Off Thread thread was no bad thing, it was just getting plain silly ;)

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Thank you for that answer.......sometimes I am not sure if I read a little too much into things...or if I am perhaps being just a bit naive...so, to make sure..... I ask, and hope to be treated lightly.

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Had the thread been for poetry appreciation there are one or two I would have perhaps added.....ones that srem from my childhood, and am rediscovering anew through the eyes of my daughters children.

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Come on Margaret don't leave the thread hanging there in this cold arctic wind ( it is here in CLM today anyway).
Share them with us :D

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Oh and thanks to Stevie R for pointing me(us) to Javaughnta Bates verses

Her Metaphor particularly thought provoking :cool:

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Nothing to stop you making it so Ma. And if there's a lesson or point to be taken away from within the poem all the better.

It is "anything goes" when all's said & done. :)

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Yes the wind is blowing across the steppes of snuffy arrod(I am in c-l-m too).
One of the recent poems that Spindles has done some comprehension work on, is this one...
Mrs Malone By Eleanor Farjeon : I Love Poetry Story & Experience
and another one is.....http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16431

Both of these I remember reciting in class for Mrs Armistead...more years ago than I care to remember.......I was transported....... the smell of old wooden desks and chalk dust. Memory is a wonderful thing...please God...I never lose mine!

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Yes...I liked it too.

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A bit shorter than Mr Noyes Highwayman and apropos of todays weather, Oliver Pritchett in todays Telegraph reminded me of Spike Milligan's whimsy :)

Granny by Spike Milligan

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I will show Spindles that poem....I think it will just tickle his funny bone.

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Maybe I just don't appreciate poetry, but I find the junior high school offerings of Miss Bates (hehe good thing she's female not male) a load of pretentious codswallop - just what you'd expect from a 15 or 16 year old.

Give me Spike Milligan any day.

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What about Tenniel's drawings on my original link then Susie? Could be Morecambe Bay ;)
Hey and some of his cartoons in Punch were pretty sparky too !!!

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I'd already come to that conclusion about the illustrations to the poem. There must be some oysters out there somewhere. Not really keen on the Victorian Punch stuff though.

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Um Miss Bates, was she Master Bates Brother Susie:rolleyes:

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Nothing escapes you does it John... except she was his sister. :p

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Ya I notice when that little time for changing had gone:o

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I like Spike Milloigan stuff too.
I can remember buying a book of his about Ireland(Puckoon it was)...and was reading on the bus on the way to BRI for a night shift......I was crying with laughing...it was a good job I had the top deck of the bus to myself.

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Not really into peotry myself, except I do quite like Mr Kiplings exceedingly good verse.
Poetry - Rudyard Kipling - If - If you can keep your head when all about you

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excuseer me ..like Chopin?

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My mind runs riot... codswallop ;)

Must be something washed up on the sand of Morecambe Bay

Then again I have been in the Forts drinking.

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Mrs Mills were better n him.:D

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Who tickled your ivories Mr c ;)

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Probably Russ Conway! :D

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Well he was n ex Borstal Boy.:D

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Even Chopin, can't think of much of note that he wrote before the age of twenty. He wrote the two piano concertos around then, but they're not exactly typical of his output.

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Err no - that was whale vomit.

BBC News - Rare whale vomit found on Morecambe beach

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Jimmy Osmond do it for you then Susie?

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Only after he had his hair cut:rolleyes:

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What about his polonaises* at the age of 7 Susie? And he could draw as well.


* No smut from you on that jaysay ;)

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Explain yourself Sir:D

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:confused::confused::confused::confused:

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What about them? he's not the only composer to have written music in his childhood and youth but even Mozart's teenage compositions aren't the stuff of genius.

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We all now know it’s not good for you personally as a scientist Susie poetry and the arts. Although you say you like Spike so there’s hope for you yet.:D

I must confess I love poems, rhymes, doggerel and limericks. Even Stanley Holloways monologues and especially the one written by Marriott Edgar about that place near you “noted for fresh air and fun”
Word weaving in all its forms as my Geordie granny used to call it.

Where were we? Oh yes “codswallop” Ambergris, yes, yes I know all about Captain Coffin’s little present to the House of Commons. ;)

No, no I was musing last night after 3 pints of the Lancaster Brewery’s IPA (at 5.5% more than musing says our Susie)...How would codwallop get washed up on the tidal reaches of the Lune? How in this crazy world of fish fingers and cod loins* would a codling leave it’s wallop on those shores?

Anyway jaysay’s post where he brought Javaughnta’s sibling onboard gave me the answer, it came to me as plain as a pikestaff.
It came in a flash.
I lie, it came to me in an acrostic.

* Cod loins on a menu, what’s all that about?? Don’t get me started on that one.

If this post get’s past Mick the Mod I’ll plait sawdust as my granny used to say.

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Cod loins, something at last about which I can agree with you.

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And do pike have staffs? After wikiing the sex life of the ceratioid angler fish the other day *shudder* I wouldn't bet on it one way or the other. :confused:

• ref: Chimera genetics.

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Oh I forgot this one :rolleyes:

We have to be receptive to learn and maybe be surprised by people of any age Susie..
Malala Yousafzai for one :)

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I agree, she is an inspiration.

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Met a man in a bar. He tells me that Thwaites used to have a brewery in Accrington? Somewhere near Milnshaw Lane and one of their first pubs was the Blockade.
First I have heard of it?

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DtheP47
Let me know the next time your in the Railway I will bring the sawdust.:p

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Never heard of that un, Mayhap Bob or Retlaw would know? I have me doubts.:confused:

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Evidently he says it's in a book the History of Thwaites and he's going to get me a copy to prove it. Must have been the look on my face when he was telling me. As per you Mr c I am yet to be convinced. The only one I think I know about of course is the New Brewery on Maudsley Street. Granted a lot of ale houses brewed their own yonks ago but Thwaites? Let's wait and see when I get the book. He is an ex-Accy Grammar lad and works at Thwaites so maybe just maybe there is a modicum of truth there. :cool:

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There was a brewery in Milnshaw lane at one time - see this thread...

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ery-44425.html

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Wonder if Thwaites bought out Bentleys at some point?:confused:

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Thanks Susie :D good job ;)

Bob Dobson's post half closes it out regarding the Blockade converting to a John Smiths pub.

Besides Bentley's, who sold out to John Smith's about 1927, we had the Bank Brewery up Burnley Rd, and a member in Germany is likely to tell us something about that.His ancestor was head brewer there.

Some years ago I wrote about Bentley's Brewery and their local pubs ( The Junction, the Blockade and a few others,) in 'An accrington Mixture' I cannot find it on my shelves or I would write a bit more now.

I guess I will waitsee for my pal to come up with the Thwaites book.

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Thwaites had the Railway, the Australian and the Horse Shoe in this vicinity but definitely not the Blockade, nor any interest in the Milnshaw brewery, which was sold to John Smith's. It won't be the first book to have duff information in it. I look forward to hearing more from Cashy on this. I haven't got a copy of the book. My complaint with Thwaites' is that they don't allow access to their old deeds.

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Yeh missed me local Bob, The Black Bull.;):D The Nags Head next to Railway was also Thwaites.;)

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It will be a couple of days before I am back up't North but will be happy to share the book with you. Assuming matey comes good with it. ;)

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I also missed The Thwaites Arms, which was knocked down in the mid-30s to make way for Broadway to be laid out. It stood at the end of Broadway at the junction with Blackburn Rd.

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Would that be just past the club @ Woods other place?:confused:

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Yes. The old police station was close by, at the end of Union St

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Here is a nice picture of the Thwaites Arms.

http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov....76&r=2&t=4&x=1

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Thats a cracker susie, never seen it before.:)

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Me neither. It'd gone before mi dad started suppin' - but mi granddad would have been in when he was not in t''Delphi

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My Thwaites mate just texted me he has a brand new copy of the book for me.:D

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Please give us details of the title & author when it comes

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My Thwaites mate has dropped the book off and you can blow me down with a feather. What a tome with some tremendous pictures. :D
It will take me a while to read but skimming it has given up these snippets:
In 1926 Smith’s Tadcaster Brewery had taken over the Milnshaw Brewery of Accrington, originally founded by the uncle of Elma Yerburgh, Daniel Thwaites only daughter who owned the brewery from 1888 to 1946 one Thomas Thwaites.
The Fountain Free Brewery & Co Ltd of Rishton was an acquisition target and once the purchase was finalised in May 1927 brewing at the Red Cap Brewery immediately discontinued as was that at the recently acquired Henry Shaw & Co Ltd’ New Salford Brewery.
Here’s one for you young cashman:;)
In 1906 the Stanley Football Club, Accrington asked Thwaites for a donation; the club had long played on the ground adjacent to the Grey Horse, a Thwaites public house, and with the support of the landlord their application was successful.
The book is The Life and Times of Daniel Thwaites Brewery 1807-2007 by Jehanne Wake
Published 2007 ISBN 10 1-9044244-46-7 and ISBN 13 978-1-904244-2
I am getting another copy for you Mr D :cool:

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If Thwaites owned the brewery from 1888 to 1946 , how could it have been sold to Smith's in 1926? Was it that Smith's only took the pubs? I've never heard that a Bentley was related to the Thwaites'. There is someone on this forum who is researching the Bentley family. I will have a looksee.

When offered for sale in 11926, it wqas revealed that the brewery had itys own well.

Thanks DtheP47. Fascinating stuff. It means I will have to spend some time in my favourite spot - Accy library.

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The book only makes mention that the Milnshaw Brewery Co was originally founded by Thomas Thwaites. Mayhap Bentley was a business partner and took over the major undertakings very soon after the start-up?

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I suppose he could have come up with the dosh. The Bentleys lived in Milnshaw Lane.

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Another interesting bit that when Boddingtons Bewery was damaged by German bombs in 1940 Thwaites took over its brewing and managed to supply most of their pubs.

It also makes mention of the American Forces arriving in Blackburn and adding a certain glamour !! ;)
Covered and questioned in another thread on here somewhere?

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My Thwaites mate has come up with this nugget Bob :)
I will try to get details of the pamphlet he copied it off.
I suppose I should link it to the 62 Abbey Street thread too cos' there are pubs here on Abbey Street long forgotten ;)

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Well I'll go t't foot of our stairs :confused:

My mate Denzil tells me the booklet is "An Accrington Mixture" edited by one Bob Dobson (1995)....

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I suggest that anyone following this thread should also look at the one headed '62 Abbey St'.

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Your book does nail it Bob about Thwaites opening the brewery on MIlnshaw Lane. Where did that information come from? :cool:

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I cannot remember. Perhaps some newspaper cuttings in the library

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I thought the Minister for Tourism had been quiet of late *chuckle*

BBC News - Oldest dinosaur of its kind unearthed in Canada

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Thank god they've found Eric:D

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There was nothing to panic about, it's the time of year for old grizzlies to come out of hibernation.

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They're talking out their hoop, they're not extinct! There's some "Bone headed Dinosaurs" kicking around on here. :s_aim1:

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In Scotland maybe - but that aint Nessie(arily) so.

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Now who's knocking Cmon?:D

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Just seen this on Lloydy's Twitter feed.
I am in sunny Sweden, is it really still sunny in Accy?

https://twitter.com/JimboWay6/status...688e26fb168d6e

Have a chuckle at the thread ;)

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Sweden my definition D= Nice but boring @ Expensive.:D Sun virtually cracking the flags here shame yeh missed it lol.

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Cold & total cloud cover here in Telford (& yesterday). Bloody forecasts showed unbroken sunshine - useless!

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Never boring Ol'
Nice people to deal with. (SAAB Aircraft)
Food and drink prices equivalent to London. In fact the Dunk' ale is dearer than what I paid last night.

As you know love Accy' but rather look at Swedish girlies all dressed in their summer clothes in Linkoping centrum than meander along Broadway and go compare, sunshine or no*
No fat birds in leggings in sight ;)

;)
*That'll be a horlicking from the current Mrs P when I get down to the Principality tomorrow she thinks it's all work and no play !

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Agree about the people D,very nice n helpful,i found em n the birds aint bad granted, as fer prices the greedy gets were charging £7 a pint way back in 96, just cos english football fans were yon.:eek: couple of swedish birds told us the truth n advised us to buy from offy round the corner n shove em under pub table, which we gratefully did.:D

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Just checked receipt from yesterday. Harry's Bar Norrkoping. Pavement table 1 pint Staropramen ( proper Bud' not that hiss weak yankie copy) and a coke 64 SKr = £6:30
Falcon local draught a bit cheaper.

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Still dearer n London i think? also proves to me,how they tried to rip us off, it aint £7 a pint even now,:eek:

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Picking up on Accyman’s comments to me above on the “Who Owns What “Thread and seeing that EasyJet are now flying out of Manchester to Moscow. I thought “What the heck, ticks in a box and all that*, I’ll take my little babushka over for a weekend break ” :cool:
Flights booked for October £95 each, so far so good
Hotel near Domodedovo Airport offering free shuttle bus into downtown Moscow 3 nights £150, so far so good.
Then it got messy !:confused:
Will I need a tourist visa? well I’ll tell you this for nothing.
The process is flipping labyrinthine
First you need an official invitation to travel, obtained from tourist office or hotel at a cost £25ish
With that you then make a visa application costing north of £100 each……
So what was going to be a budget break now the costs are now going up faster than the proverbial bride’s nightie.
We have become so used to zipping at will around Europe and the States using low cost carriers like buses.
Ho Hum
The current Mrs P says “DP the savvy traveller, not”
Methinks I will have to make an adjustment to her housekeeping and not tell her the Zhiguli Beer Hall is on our itinerary. ;)

*Also from watching ITV’s new espionage series “The Americans”

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Wen we were planning our cruise to St Petersburg recently, which sadly did not go ahead, we were faced with a similar scenrio. Fortunately for us we decided on excursions each day, expensive but hassle-free, which meant we didn't need a visa but had to go back to the ship between each foray and be checked on and off each time by immigration officials.

The cruise company sent us information on how to obtain a visa which I have attached and the prices don't seem quite as steep as you say. Hope the web addresses are correct, let me know if not, it's done from a scan.

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Missed the attachment, here goes again...

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Can't seem to get a .doc file to upload as an attachment, so here is the text:

VISA INFORMATION FOR RUSSIA


Discovery 'Baltic Cities & St Petersburg' Cruise DS11
Sailing 22nd May 2013 - A4576


British passport holders normally require an individual visa issued in advance by the Consular Authorities in the UK in order to enter Russia but as a passenger on the above cruise this may not be necessary.


As long as you limit your sightseeing in St. Petersburg to participation in the officially approved shore excursions there is no need to apply for an individual visa. A certified manifest of all guests on board is issued to the local Immigration Authorities and this document replaces individual visas.


We have pleasure in enclosing the advance details of the shore excursion programme that is due to be operated during your cruise and there is a range of carefully selected excursions available in St. Petersburg to enable you to make the most of your time there.


If however you do prefer to make independent arrangements for your time in Russia, it is possible to do so, although the procedure is quite lengthy and relatively expensive. You need to arrange for personalised invitations from our local agent in Russia which must support any application that is made to the Russian Consular Authorities in the UK.


A visa fee is levied by the Russian Consulate (at the time of writing £50.00 per person based on a 7 day visa processing service for a single entry Tourist Visa for a British passport holder, but the rate can vary) and this cost is to your own account. In addition, the Consular Authorities now outsource their visa application processing service to Messrs VF Services (UK) Ltd who will accept and process the applications on your behalf and a service charge of £27.60 per passport is levied. More details of the procedures and charges involved can be obtained from the following websites: Embassy of the Russian Federation to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Russia Visa Information - UK - Home Page.


Should you wish to apply for a personalised invitation, which cost £15.00 per application to enable you to obtain an individual visa kindly contact us no later than 1st May 2013


Once you are in possession of the invitations you will be required to complete visa application forms, supply passport size photographs and present them together with your passport at the earliest opportunity to Messrs VF Services (UK) Ltd for forwarding to the Russian Consular Authorities in the UK. Please note that since September 2011, the visa application form process can only be completed online and therefore you should carefully read the latest information contained on the Russia Visa Information - UK - Home Page website to ensure that you follow the correct procedures.

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Housekeeping "D"? yer ruining the lass.:eek:

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Thanks Susie.. as I said labyrinthine..

There does seem to be a variety of prices depending how one goes about the application process. The "Tourist Invitation" I suspect would have been handled by your Cruise operator and hidden in the total cost of your trip. Though it does make mention of a personlised invitation at £15
At least I have a good few months to make all the necessary applications.:cool:

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Picked up a magazine in the Pals Medical Centre yesterday called Smallholder. It passed a few minutes as I waited to see the Doc. Interesting to read all about Bee keeping, Sheep rearing and Duck plucking. But the thing that got me scratching my head was a readers letter stating/asking " My hens are looking bored should I put some toys in their pen? "

Couple of questions thrown to the forum punsters and funsters.How would you know if a chuck was bored?
What toys would you give em? ;)

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Battery hens peck themselves and their 'co-prisoners', often to death. This is a sign of extreme stress due to the monotony of that sort of life. They don't need toys:rolleyes: - just what every living thing needs to thrive - freedom to move, see the sun, and breathe fresh air.

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PS -
When my son bought a cottage up Stanhill, an attached 'smallholding', with chickens was included.

The flock had a free range paddock. There was one hen they nicknamed Ginger (From the film Chicken Run) who liked to wander into the garden area and observe humans. They grew fond of her. She didn't try to escape further afield. When they are happy and well fed they don't desire more.

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Alternatively they do well at gas mark 5 for about an hour and a half, this of course should not be done until you have absolutely exhausted their use as a productive egg layer.

Hmm, maybe rather than giving it a roasting an old boiler like this would prefer a slow cooker?

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I was yon but had left around 9-25, The magazines were crap so i didn't bother wi em.:D Never noticed the smallholder un though.

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;)Not like you to get the wrong end of the stick Margaret ;)
But I don't think the goodlife small holding types would be rearing battery hens and they did say pen not cages. :)

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No stuffing Wizz ?;)

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To stop the boredom they need something to eggcite them, maybe a chick flic or two, or possibly "true grit". :D

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They may be battery hens that have been released from captivity and given their freedom on a smallholding. It happens a lot.

We had a smallholding in Wiltshire twenty years ago (I still get called Barbara Good or Felicity Kendal by old friends) and at one time we had five goats and up to forty chickens. I don't remember them ever looking bored but they were free range rather than penned up and could roam all over our half an acre.

Toys for chickens - almost as bad as sex toys...

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Eggcellent Dave! Knew we could rely on you for a few yolks.

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And no fowl language :hehetable