SCAMeron "be more British"
 

Be more British Cameron tells UK Muslims: PM issues powerful new pledge to combat extremism | Mail Online

While I think the message is quite simple (Come to England because you want to live in England with English folk and adopt the culture as opposed to coming to England to recreate the laws/culture etc that one left behind)
Perhaps SCAMeron could 'be more British himself' and work for the British people :rolleyes:
Of course, everyone should abide by the law :D, but trying to force people to eat fish and chips or a "Full English" is just stupid IMO.Can you imagine the outcry of anti-Semitism if SCAMeron said 'be more British to UK Jews'? :eek:

"He plans to use 800th anniversary of Magna Carta to reassert British values" (maybe Westminster would be a good starting point then) :rolleyes:
He must of had a change of heart
Attachment 41504 :D
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nt.communities

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Probably 'cause it ain't necessary ... don't hear of too many Jews blowing up the tube or the buses ... or hacking British soldiers to death in the middle of the street ... or mad Rabbis preaching hate for Western values. And they have a sense of humour about life, the universe, and everything. And a good look at what is going on in the Middle East shows, if it shows anything, that your (and our) only true and trustworthy ally in that region, the only country which has respect for democracy and civilized values, is Israel.

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I don't think he is trying to make anyone eat fish and chips.
He just wants people who come here to be more tolerant.
Over the years the British people have been tolerant of those who come to add to the way of life here.
But recently the change has been forced upon us and with a rapidity that has never been seen before(and I think that has to be the crux of the matter - all done for the cause of social engineering).......and lots of people have come here...not necessarily to enrich the fabric of British life...but because they can come here and take from a pot that they have never contributed to....they can even send money back to their homeland(which benefits their economy rather than ours).

I have no qualms about accepting those who come her and can live alongside us without want us to change to their ways. I do not mind anyone maintaining their religion, keeping their culture(as the Jews have done)....I do not ask them to celebrate Christmas, I do not want to celebrate Eid.
I do not want to fear those who made this their home, but then blow up the people they came to live amongst.
I do not wish to hear that children in their schools are being brainwashed with ideas that white women are prostitutes....and that they need to wage a jihad against those who do not follow the tenets of Islam.

Because I do not make a huge show of my faith is no reason to imagine I have none.

Their intolerance of us has made us intolerant of them

If you come and live in a western country then you must be prepared to tolerate the things that you find here....well, either that or leave for somewhwere that is more to your taste...and make sure the door doesn't hit you on the behind on your way out.

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Yup Eric they have come a long way since the days of the Stern Gang and Irgun haven't they?

AccyX have a google if you need to know more. ;)

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I agree (to a point), Just pointing out that it seems a tad racist,he's a twit (for a choice of better words) as he's singled out Muslims from other religions.
Go to one of our Jewish North London towns and see how 'integrated' they are. HELL, they've encircled entire British towns with poles and wire and declared them as Jewish and nobody gives a flying. They don't work on Saturdays as it's 'special to their religion' :D. Muslims haven't done anything 'like that' yet are being asked to be more British :rolleyes:

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He probably highlighted those of Muslim faith because they appear to be those less inclined to assimilate. Within the UK there are numerous faiths & races many with attitudes & cultures which are completely alien to the majority of us "Brits", still regardless of their funny ways & customs we are prepared to accept & accommodate these folk to a point & being Brits we expect the same in return.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening & as a result we're getting a tad miffed with these people. Politicoes, being the leeches they are are scenting an opportunity & as usual are shamelessly using it to garner advantage, case in point, this appeal from Cameron! Well, for as long as it suits then it'll be onto the next little earner. Being British isn't something that can be learnt, it is & always will be, a state of being that you're born & raised too.

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The Koran is the problem ... it establishes a non-negotiable brick wall (come to think of it all brick walls are non-negotiable, unless you have the skill to build a door or use a ladder ... or tie a bunch of explosives to your body and lean on it:D), a bottom line, a point at which all rational argument fails. It's kinda like the US Constitution, an eighteenth century good idea most of which has had its day ... ok, I know the Koran's seventh century, give or take; but I hope you get what I mean. For most Christians (let's leave out the American Bible Belt);), the Bible is, let's say "negotiable" ... a decent set of guidelines. As long as Muslims act as if the Koran is the final word, in fact the WORD of GOD, they ain't gonna fit into a society like Britain's.

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No, I don't think he is being racist at all.
If Muslims want to perpetrate acts of terror on the country they have adopted.....the country they chose to come to....possibly because they have the freedom of speech and expression.....and of course the opportunity.

And ok, not all Muslims are the same....and yet even the moderate Muslims do not speak out against their brothers who choose to do these things.

Islam is supposed to be a faith that espouses peace. Yet their are Muslims in Iraq and Syria that are beheading their Muslim brothers, men who also worship the same god.....and showing off their conquests, disrespecting the bodies of their fellow Muslims......all because they are a different sect.
You are probably going to highlight that this is similar to what happened in Northern Ireland.
To some degree you would be right, but the levels of barbarity are subtly different.

The terrorists in this case just happen to be Muslim. The situation in the schools in Birmingham just happen to be engineered by Muslims, who are inculcating children with extreme beliefs which may radicalise them....and it certainly will not lead to these children integrating successfully.

I don't think British values can be taught....and the problem is that many of these people see themselves as Muslim first and British last

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Where are these places that the Jews have surrounded with poles and wire and declared as Jewish?
So Jews observe the sabbath on a Saturday....so what? How much does it impinge on your life?
They integrate a darn sight better than many Muslims.
Jewish people do tend to congregate in areas, but I have never yet heard anyone complain that they could not travel freely through those areas without threat.

Someone I know was accosted by a group of men in Nelson and told in threatening terms that he was not welcome in a Muslim area.

SCAMeron "be more British"
 

Why do we never hear about the Chinese?
They have a monopoly on chippys these days, they don't intergrate they just work hard and get on with making the odd penny or two.

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But no doubt their kids do. As they do over here:

Sweet, not to mention amazing, 16 | The Kingston Whig-Standard

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somebody who has destroyed more of britain than anybody else . the institutions of royal mail , bt, nhs , the utilities, british gas, etc yes lets be more british:confused: we had it all and we sold it off for a quick buck to the tory spivs who then sold it off to overseas governments.

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Yes, somebody did do a lot of damage to the fabric of Britain.
He did this by not listening to the very real concerns of the electorate.
Now, let me think.....what was he called?
Oh, I know....it was Tony Blair.
He wanted multiculturalism.....but he got far more than he bargained for.....and he was/is too pig headed and arrogant to EVER admit that what he and new labour did to this country was WRONG.
It isn't something that can ever be put right.

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well i think whoever was in government tories or labour this would have happened as the money men believe in the adam smith philosophy of increasing the population to make more money, has immigration lessened under the tories ? nope its actually increased. just the other day they they made it easier for the chinese to enter the uk;) multi culturalism started under the tories in the 1950s and i think when i find the figures immigration from the sub continent dropped during the 2000s.

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I'm not (really) against immigration, countries like the U.K, Canada etc, have reaped benefits from using/exploiting the resources of less developed countries.Whether it's extracting resources (cheap labour), or political manipulation. So (IMO) it's only natural that 'some of' them folk from those countries are able to reap some of the benefits from this 'relationship'.

Maybe cameron wants them to grow a moustache (or get a clip on joke shop version), drink tea and talk about the weather (with a stiff upper lip) while eating scones :D
Calling for people to 'be more British' is just some hocus pocus doublespeak to make that twit sound like he actually gives a flying about immigration.
If he gave a rats backside, he would offer free English lessons to immigrants to help ruddy integration (it'd be a good starting point).
Anyway, I'm heavily medicated so it's goodnight from me :D

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In some respects you are right. This is just a sound bite...and it means very little because whatever he says and whatever he does it can't be 'policed or enforced' and I don't believe it is something that can be learned.
DC is just mouthing the words that he thinks people want to hear...what he doesn't perhaps realise is that we had sound bite politics 'up to here' when TB was in office...they mean nothing.

As for Free English lessons..definitely not......why should they be free? And who pays for them ultimately? The tax payer, you and me. An ability to speak English should be an entry requirement.

I am not against immigration...but I AM against uncontrolled immigration.
If we had a system like they have in Australia then that would be fine. But we have borders that are not adequately or accurately monitored. We have people who purport to come to this country to 'study'...and they never go to college/university/educational establishment...they disappear off the radar and are never called to account.....or removed from the country.
they should NOT be here.....they are bogus.
We have asylum seekers who are not granted leave to stay,nothing is done. We have illegal immigrants...nothing is done.
These people are not helping the country.
We do not know who is here. We do not know how many people have come into the country because we do not operate a 'count them in - count them out system'.
We should only accept those immigrants who can speak English, who have a job to come to or a trade or profession that is needed in the economy(either local or national) and who can support themselve for at least two years without any help at all from the state(and that means medical help - they would have to take out medical health insurance for the first two years here).

The type of people I mention would be keen to work, make a go of it and integrate(even if they settled in an area where there were people of their own culture, creed or ethnicity).
People who come here and want to change us - the way we do things, to the way they did them in their own country should go back there...they obviously have a greater affinity to where they came from than they think and are hee perhaps because the UK is seen as any 'easy touch'.

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But it happened on the Labour watch...they had the power and the ability to stop it or at least show they were listening to the electorate.
they didn't listen...and any dissenters were branded as xenophobic or racist.
These terms are purely to stop any reasoned debate.
There was no debate, there was no concultation........uncontrolled immigration was seen not as a way of increasing the working population to make more money, but as a way of increasing the Labour party voting base.
It was a cynical ploy to make sure that Labour stayed in political power.

It has damaged the fabric of this country irreparably.

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National Secular Society - Controversial eruv given go-ahead by local authorities

This publication is hardly unbiased...and what is happening is not representative of the whole country.
I am always a bit sceptical of such articles because the organisation which has published this has 'an axe to grind'.
There are a number of Jewish communities in the North West, the communities are peaceful.....you do not find them out in the street brandishing machetes....or indulging in turf wars.
Their youths/men are not intimidatory, or predatory to young white schoolgirls, plying them with alcohol and drugs before using them to satisfy their carnal appetities.
I have seen no reports of groups of Jewish men grooming girls.....as has happened in Rochdale Oxford and other places in the UK.

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I think Jewish mothers have a bigger role/say in how their children are brought up. I don't think boys are put on a pedestal and girls to be seen but not heard. I think those vile activities by some groups of men would be looked down on as extremely shameful in the Jewish community. I think the young people give more than a token nod to the religion they were born in to.

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You can only be Jewish if your mother is Jewish.
The religion is passed down from the mother.

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That's the opposite from Islam,where, even when the mother is a non muslim, the children automatically are. The children belong to the father. That's the reason, when a child is snatched from its mother and taken abroad to its fathers muslim country, it becomes an almost impossible task to get them back. The father is looked upon as taking what is his in the first place.