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Neil 04-01-2012 10:49

Intern Working For Graham Jones MP
 
I just noticed this job advert online and thought a local person might be interested

Intern For Graham Jones MP

I hate it though when job adverts say things like this.

Quote:

Due to the large number of applicants we are unable to respond to each candidate individually.

Less 04-01-2012 11:06

Hmm, well no reply, perhaps 95% of MP's just aren't bothered about aknowledgeing the efforts put in by applicants?
The application addy is email, so how difficult would it be to set up an auto reply to say thank you?

cashman 04-01-2012 11:09

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 960061)
Hmm, well no reply, perhaps 95% of MP's just aren't bothered about aknowledgeing the efforts put in by applicants?
The application addy is email, so how difficult would it be to set up an auto reply to say thank you?

Yeh Less, but he happen thinks 95% of applicants don't give a toss if they get a job?:rolleyes:

Less 04-01-2012 11:24

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960062)
Yeh Less, but he happen thinks 95% of applicants don't give a toss if they get a job?:rolleyes:

Ah, just noticed it's chicken & egg syndrome,
Quote:

Applicants should be reliable, enthusiastic and be sympathetic to the aims and values of the Labour Party. Strong IT, communication and organisational skills essential.
Until he can get someone that is:-

Reliable, enthusiastic Strong IT, communication and organisational skills essential.

He obviously isn't capable of setting up an auto reply.

garinda 04-01-2012 11:42

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Nice job for someone from mainland European.

Less 04-01-2012 13:06

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Applicants should be reliable, enthusiastic and be sympathetic to the aims and values of the Labour Party.
Is that a legal thing to put in a job advert?
Surely the job should go to the most suitable person without prejudice about their political leanings?

Barrie Yates 04-01-2012 13:27

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He must have a brilliant crystal ball - "due to the large number of applicants", or is it just hope and a prayer.
Can't see anyone from his constituency applying.

walkinman221 04-01-2012 17:00

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I heard jaysay was a shoe in for the job so why bother:D:D

jaysay 04-01-2012 17:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 960083)
Is that a legal thing to put in a job advert?
Surely the job should go to the most suitable person without prejudice about their political leanings?

So it would be no good andrewB applying then:D

jaysay 04-01-2012 17:46

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 960108)
I heard jaysay was a shoe in for the job so why bother:D:D

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAPY WATER, I'd sooner have leprosy:D

walkinman221 04-01-2012 18:30

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960115)
WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAPY WATER, I'd sooner have leprosy:D

:oke2::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

garinda 04-01-2012 19:56

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Apparently there's been a bit of bother about this internship.

If you can try and make sense of the wafffle on here.

Graham Jones MP: Parliamentary Interns. Right wing bloggers ask me to break the law?

walkinman221 04-01-2012 20:03

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Eh!!!:confused::confused:See what you mean g.

garinda 04-01-2012 20:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960172)
Apparently there's been a bit of bother about this internship.

Oh yes, here's something, apparently there's the accusation he's wants a slave.

Slave labour required

Da Steeps Speaks: Slave labour required

garinda 04-01-2012 20:12

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Seems it's a bit of a hot potato.

MPs may be breaking law in offering work to unpaid interns | Politics | The Guardian

Labour MPs, MEPs and Organisations that Offer Unpaid Internships Ian Silvera's View

garinda 04-01-2012 20:21

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Thought I might as well post this still unanswered question here, as anywhere else.

Just in case this thread prompts a visit to Accy Web. Finding time out of his globetrotting schedule.

Mr. Jones, could you please explain the reason why you publicly stated you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, mentioning it would settle the issue 'democratically', two short weeks before voting that your constituents be denied that democratic right?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-59650.html

Thank you.

garinda 04-01-2012 20:28

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Wait a cotton pickin' minute.

Do da work for nuthin'?

http://niggermania.net/forum/images/...geyenigger.gif

Only dem fancy rich folk, with their rich pappies, can afford dem sort of highfalutin, crazy ass jobs.

Iza goin back in the fields, Massa.

I iz, yes Siree.

Try dat Chicken George.

:golly:

cashman 04-01-2012 20:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960114)
So it would be no good andrewB applying then:D

Well no it wouldn't.....as less said they want a suitable person.:rolleyes::D

cashman 04-01-2012 20:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960184)
Thought I might as well post this still unanswered question here, as anywhere else.

Just in case this thread prompts a visit to Accy Web. Finding time out of his globetrotting schedule.

Mr. Jones, could you please explain the reason why you publicly stated you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, mentioning it would settle the issue 'democratically', two short weeks before voting that your constituents be denied that democratic right?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-59650.html The link being the one Number 12 post.

Thank you.

Well as G.J. said on that link, he won't publish unless respectful n intelligent, so by that yardstick yer entitled to n answer? unless of course it was n hypocritical comment he made?

jaysay 05-01-2012 08:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960172)
Apparently there's been a bit of bother about this internship.

If you can try and make sense of the wafffle on here.

Graham Jones MP: Parliamentary Interns. Right wing bloggers ask me to break the law?

As clear as mud

jaysay 05-01-2012 09:01

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960203)
Well as G.J. said on that link, he won't publish unless respectful n intelligent, so by that yardstick yer entitled to n answer? unless of course it was n hypocritical comment he made?

Nobody could call Graham a hypocrite!!!!!!!!, could they:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

g jones 07-01-2012 13:45

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Interns are controversial in the press at the moment. It is fair to say they are hard work to manage. Some MPs get around that by allegedly using them as extra staff and treating them so instead of trying to see it as a learning opportunity. IPSA limits on staff budgets and a more demanding public in terms of correspondence and the internet have increased the usage of interns.

The reality is an internship with me (and ppl know it's a great office where they won't have to work-work but learn) and we will get a lot of applicants. Many of which are in the same boat. Uni students with no real world working experience whom private sector won't employ in competitive jobs market.

Guido and his entourage target Labour MPs with a one sided argument to draw in readers. At the end of the conversation i made Guido make it clear his own interns are used by him as workers and he pays them a just £60pw though the last one he paid £100pw. He was stood on thin ice himself when he picked a disagreement (again I knew about his office and he was unaware I knew)

My point is I now employ my intern and I explicitly said when he was an intern he was not there to work. He had no work experience so i would never have employed him from his CV.

My second point was I don't always have interns they are hard work and take up time supervising. There's a lot of paperwork and monitoring. Access to information for example. We have a clear policy any intern has to agree to that states clearly this is an educational placement to help them. It does not help the people of Hyndburn so why should they pay ?

My third point is after the first intern we decided against another for a long while. Then we had an American here for 16 weeks. He did no constituency or parliamentary work. He did some research work and learnt about UK parliament and democracy. We could not pay him legally and he didn't work for Hyndburn either. So Guidos comments are out of place. He is asking me to break the law by breaching his visa. Guido ranted about accomodation but he was staying in his US Unis halls of residence over here.

Fourthly we are well aware this is not fair on people in Hyndburn (or outside London). I have taken three people from here for a week each. This is time consuming and we have to be careful we concentrate on the constituency and there are issues about confidentiality, hence a lot of supervision. There is a balance to be struck. That's why on the floor of the commons I asked the Leader of the Commons when these (interns And paid) positions would be available in Accrington job centre.

We are totally right in how we have handled the matter of interns. I cannot believe anyone who is right minded would think otherwise. That's why Guido ended up losing the argument embarrasingly because he waded in without finding out the facts.

garinda 07-01-2012 17:05

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In all honesty I'd be impressed if an internship was on someone's C.V.

I know people who do work experience, for no pay, or expenses, and who are used as unpaid dogsbodies.

I don't think there internships are like that, and people will gain invaluable experience, when they go on to do other things.

I also think it's good locals are being given a chance to work as interns, down in Westminster.

Less 07-01-2012 18:17

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960937)
In all honesty I'd be impressed if an internship was on someone's C.V.

I know people who do work experience, for no pay, or expenses, and who are used as unpaid dogsbodies.

I don't think there internships are like that, and people will gain invaluable experience, when they go on to do other things.

I also think it's good locals are being given a chance to work as interns, down in Westminster.

I think no matter the circumstance,
If you need an intern, you shouldn't claim they don't need paying, everyone needs a wage, we all have a right to a living.
Claiming it's educational because they are University students with no experience, is saying either the system is wrong, too many graduates, or the system is wrong, they know nowt.

Neil 07-01-2012 22:11

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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 960892)
.......Guido ranted about accomodation but he was staying in his US Unis halls of residence over here......

Guido rants a lot with his own slant on things.

garinda 07-01-2012 23:40

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 960959)
I think no matter the circumstance,
If you need an intern, you shouldn't claim they don't need paying, everyone needs a wage, we all have a right to a living.
Claiming it's educational because they are University students with no experience, is saying either the system is wrong, too many graduates, or the system is wrong, they know nowt.

I know what you're saying, and can see both sides.

When I was a student I spent the holidays working in places I'd secured non-paid work, in the hope of standing out from the crowd, once I was in the full time jobs market.

Working for a German magazine, purely for expenses, did actually help me secure my first job.

jaysay 08-01-2012 09:47

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I don't know how much things have changed, but when Ken was MP he had allowances to pay for office staff, he had a researcher in Westminster, and one in his constituency office together with a typist (remember this was before the days of computers and word processors) I'm sure it hasn't changed that much but maybe paying for a town centre office is sapping up expenses, Kens constituency office was in his own home and he also saw many of his constituents there too, but mind you Ken was a totally different person to the present day incumbent, Ken represented the people and their needs not what the party told him to do

Neil 08-01-2012 11:23

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It looks like it is a position as a volunteer to assist the intern build up his or her CV. I see nothing wrong with that, many people give up their own time for nothing for the benefit of others.

jaysay 08-01-2012 16:18

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 961051)
It looks like it is a position as a volunteer to assist the intern build up his or her CV. I see nothing wrong with that, many people give up their own time for nothing for the benefit of others.

Remember that old saying anybody who works for nout will steal;)

Neil 08-01-2012 16:48

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961091)
Remember that old saying anybody who works for nout will steal;)


Only if you let dodgy people volunteer for you.

Many people volunteer as a why of gaining experience.

jaysay 09-01-2012 09:12

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 961098)
Only if you let dodgy people volunteer for you.

Many people volunteer as a why of gaining experience.

Any body who volunteers to work for a politician for nout comes into that category in my book;)

Less 09-01-2012 09:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961289)
Any body who volunteers to work for a politician for nout comes into that category in my book;)

Yes, I always suspected there was something dodgey about one guy 15 or 20 years ago he used to knock on doors trying to get support for Brittcliffe, hello, I used to think, this guy must be on a good screw somehow, nobody does owt' for nowt'.

:)

jaysay 09-01-2012 10:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 961291)
Yes, I always suspected there was something dodgy about one guy 15 or 20 years ago he used to knock on doors trying to get support for Brittcliffe, hello, I used to think, this guy must be on a good screw somehow, nobody does owt' for nowt'.

:)

Different thing altogether Less I supported a principal not a prison and I wasn't a young person setting out in life after getting work experience, its a gimmick and sorry I never knocked on your door asking you to vote for Britcliffe (that's with one T) never knew you lived in Ossy, because its the only place I ever canvased and never at a general election:p

Less 09-01-2012 10:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961311)
Different thing altogether Less I supported a principal not a prison and I wasn't a young person setting out in life after getting work experience, its a gimmick and sorry I never knocked on your door asking you to vote for Britcliffe (that's with one T) never knew you lived in Ossy, because its the only place I ever canvased and never at a general election:p

I think you would have done more good supporting a prison.

Yes, I have for my sins lived in Ossy.

I love it when you have the brass nerve to even contemplate correcting someone elses typo's.

jaysay 09-01-2012 10:38

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 961312)
I think you would have done more good supporting a prison.

Yes, I have for my sins lived in Ossy.

I love it when you have the brass nerve to even contemplate correcting someone elses typo's.

:eek::eek:Ya lived in Ossy, never noticed the wanted posters:D

And I don't want you getting into my slip shod ways so I thought I'd point out you little guff:D:D:p

Less 09-01-2012 10:50

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961315)
:eek::eek:Ya lived in Ossy, never noticed the wanted posters:D

And I don't want you getting into my slip shod ways so I thought I'd point out you little guff:D:D:p

Oh, Britttclife, Brittttcliffee, Britclive!

Sorry for swearing folks but sometimes it's more than a person can stand,
Still, I feel much better now.

:)

jaysay 09-01-2012 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 961317)
Oh, Britttclife, Brittttcliffee, Britclive!

Sorry for swearing folks but sometimes it's more than a person can stand,
Still, I feel much better now.

:)

Think you need to cut down on the booze a bit Less, take a couple of days a week off:D

Neil 09-01-2012 19:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961289)
Any body who volunteers to work for a politician for nout comes into that category in my book;)

I am glad you put the :rolleyes: on seeing as you have been glued to politicians for most of your life :p

cashman 09-01-2012 22:19

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 961401)
I am glad you put the :rolleyes: on seeing as you have been glued to politicians for most of your life :p

I take it yeh mean- Put his brain in a budgie n it would fly backwards?:D

jaysay 10-01-2012 08:36

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 961401)
I am glad you put the :rolleyes: on seeing as you have been glued to politicians for most of your life :p

Politics Neil not politicians mate a hell of a big difference

Mancie 11-01-2012 21:56

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961091)
Remember that old saying anybody who works for nout will steal;)

Never heard that one...did you steal when you worked for nowt? I suppose it don't apply to you when working for the Tories..same as it don't apply to you were benifits are concerned.. you come across as the only person in the country who is deserving of anything.:)

cashman 11-01-2012 22:37

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Its a very owd saying Mancie, have to say,not one i ever set much store by.;)

mobertol 12-01-2012 11:47

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Saw Nick Clegg talking about work experience places and internships for the young this morning. He was saying how it was unfair that many of these places came up in London which effectively excluded people from outside the capital having a chance because of the expenses they would have to sustain.

Seems he wants to help get rid of the "who you know" network which favours the more well-off -pretty ripe coming from him!


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