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flashy 30-10-2007 15:28

Mirtazapine tablets
 
Last week i went to the doctors about my anti depressants not working as they should, i've had something going on in my life recently that i couldnt cope with and it was making me ill and i needed it sorting out, so the doctor thought it would be a good idea to try me on these tablets, they are only 15 mg....
she told me to come off my other anti depressants slowly then start taking these at night...
so last night was the first night in which i was supposed to start them....
9.30:- i took the tablet
10.00 pm:- i was fast asleep till---------11 am this morning, now on these tablets it says 'may cause drowsiness' yes i expected to feel a bit drowsy before going to sleep...BUT NOT LIKE THIS, woke up at 11 this morning, had a drink, by 11.15 i was back asleep again, woke up at 3pm, been awake ever since and i feel really wierd, my head is very heavy and i feel like someone has two hands on my head and is pushing me towards the ground, just had a coffee but even that isnt working, i could quite happily go to sleep for the rest of the night

i WILL NOT be taking these tablets again and as soon as i feel well enough i will be going back to the doctors

it also says in the instructions 'may cause weight gain' YEAH IF YOU CAN STAY AWAKE LONG ENOUGH TO EAT SOMETHING

has anyone else taken these?


please excuse me if there are any spelling mistakes in this waffle, as i'm still doped up i cant be arsed checking

BERNADETTE 30-10-2007 15:32

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Never taken them Flashy but as you say I would not take any more till you have seen the doctor. 15mg is to strong you should only be on 5mg to start off.

flashy 30-10-2007 15:33

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its awful Bernie, ive never felt like this before, i feel so doped up its unreal

BERNADETTE 30-10-2007 15:37

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486609)
its awful Bernie, ive never felt like this before, i feel so doped up its unreal

The highest dose Ian ever had was 10mg, he is down to 5mg. He reckons you should start off on 2mg, to see how you go. Can you not ring the surgery and ask to speak to the doc? If he isn't available ask if they can get him to ring back ASAP.

WillowTheWhisp 30-10-2007 15:38

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Never heard of them but it doesn't sound good. I think you're right not to take any more and see the doc again asap. Are you sure the prescription was for 15mg? Is it possible the chemist could have made a mistake?

garinda 30-10-2007 15:39

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I take them. Parkinson's Disease, and the drugs I take as well, mean I don't sleep for up to three days sometimes. Miratazapine were prescribed, and do help me sleep a lot better, though they are very strong, and if I didn't have Parkinson's I know they'd knock me out too much.

I have a friend who was recommended Folic Acid, which is supposed to benefit Parkinson's, but also depression. They didn't work for me, so I now have a year's supply that I bought, and you are welcome to try them. The good thing is they're natural, with no side effects, so might be worth a go.

If you're going to the next meet let me know, and I'll bring them for you to try.

flashy 30-10-2007 15:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 486611)
The highest dose Ian ever had was 10mg, he is down to 5mg. He reckons you should start off on 2mg, to see how you go. Can you not ring the surgery and ask to speak to the doc? If he isn't available ask if they can get him to ring back ASAP.


just rung docs and the receptionist said that she'll get the doctor to ring me back around 7 ish

WillowTheWhisp 30-10-2007 15:42

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I just did a Google and it says that 15mg is the usual starting dose so maybe you are particularly susceptible to the side effects.

garinda 30-10-2007 15:47

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 486615)
I just did a Google and it says that 15mg is the usual starting dose so maybe you are particularly susceptible to the side effects.

I was prescribed 15mgs to start with, but am now on 30mgs.

Flashy I really wouldn't take anymore.

I've been prescribed drugs that have made me projectile vomit, see hallucinations of old men shouting at me, as well as rats talking to me. :eek:

There are lots of different drugs, and you need to find the right one that is going to help you, not make you feel worse.:)

flashy 30-10-2007 15:47

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i really dont know how druggies get on if they LIKE feeling like this all the time, its horrible, its Reece i feel sorry for, poor lad has had to fend for himself today, all i wanna do is sleep

garinda 30-10-2007 15:51

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486619)
i really dont know how druggies get on if they LIKE feeling like this all the time, its horrible, its Reece i feel sorry for, poor lad has had to fend for himself today, all i wanna do is sleep

Don't take anymore. It will wear off eventually.

Try to drink a lot of water to flush your system out, and try and eat something.

BERNADETTE 30-10-2007 15:54

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486614)
just rung docs and the receptionist said that she'll get the doctor to ring me back around 7 ish

At least you are getting somewhere, Garinda is the one to listen to as he knows of the tablets. Let us know what the doc says.

flashy 30-10-2007 15:55

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thanks Gary, i'll try drinking something, just hope i wake up itnime to sort Reece out for school in the morning, i'm DEFINATELY NOT going to take anymore

flashy 30-10-2007 15:56

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thanx Bernie and Willow, i'm going to go back to bed now

garinda 30-10-2007 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486629)
thanks Gary, i'll try drinking something, just hope i wake up itnime to sort Reece out for school in the morning, i'm DEFINATELY NOT going to take anymore

Keep some water by your bed.

Hopefully you will feel much better tomorrow.

Good luck hun, x

flashy 30-10-2007 15:59

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cheers G xx

Lolly 30-10-2007 16:00

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I have never taken any sort of anti depressants, so I can't really comment but if it was me I would have done just as you have and contacted my doctor again.

I do hope your feeling better soon. :)

WillowTheWhisp 30-10-2007 16:01

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Something at the back of my mind says that trying to keep active gets them out of your system quicker.

garinda 30-10-2007 16:04

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 486641)
Something at the back of my mind says that trying to keep active gets them out of your system quicker.

It would if she can. They are very powerful, and usually send me to sleep within 30 minutes of taking them. They do leave you feeling very groggy for a while after.

One thing you can't do is drink alcohol whilst taking them, you literally go off your head. I've learnt my lesson now, and stop taking them two days before I'm going out.:rolleyes:

Neil 30-10-2007 16:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 486623)
Try to drink a lot of water to flush your system out

Or seeing as its you, coffee might act as an antidote :D

I do hope you are feeling better soon.

flashy 30-10-2007 18:38

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the doctors just called and he's written me a prescription for some different anti depressants, something beginning with fl , couldnt make out what they where actually called, so i'll go pick that up sometime tomorrow, apparently the one's the other doctor gave me had some sort of sedative in them

BERNADETTE 30-10-2007 18:40

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They sounded a bit iffy to me, see how you go with the new ones!!

flashy 30-10-2007 18:41

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thanx Bernie, he said the new ones are in the same 'family' as the citalopram i was taking, so i'll try them

jimmi5bellies 30-10-2007 18:58

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Wow, i take 50mg Amitriptyline at night and they dont always work.

flashy 30-10-2007 19:01

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good god jimmi, thats a high dosage

jimmi5bellies 30-10-2007 19:08

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They are needed to relax my muscles and joints after the accident. I can take them at 10pm and still be wide awake at 1am. :(, have tried taking them earlier but still dont send me drowsy.

flashy 30-10-2007 19:34

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get to the docs and tell him/her about it

mez 30-10-2007 19:37

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just wondering if there is any coedine in them because im grossly allergic to it, after 1 tablet i sing & dance then crash out for 4 days sleep leaving me weary for at least 3 days after ...

Neil 30-10-2007 20:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486710)
the doctors just called and he's written me a prescription for some different anti depressants, something beginning with fl , couldnt make out what they where actually called, so i'll go pick that up sometime tomorrow, apparently the one's the other doctor gave me had some sort of sedative in them

Are they Fluoxetine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

grego 30-10-2007 20:34

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Mirtazapine are for major depression and aren't generally used first line, 15mg is the correct starting dose usually increased to 30mg within 2-4 weeks, doesn't sound like they're right for you though Shaz. Dr has quite a few others he could choose but the two starting with flu are Fluoxetine (Prozac) and Fluvoxamine (Faverin) that are in the same class has Citalopram. PM me Shaz if you need any info.

flashy 31-10-2007 06:06

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ah it could be either then, cheers Neil and Grego, i'll let you know when i've had a walk up Shad road later what they are

flashy 31-10-2007 06:07

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mez, i'll look on the ingredients when i wake up properly lol

flashy 31-10-2007 17:05

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it is fluoxetine that ive got from the doc, my brother has just got the script for me from the docs, will have to wait till tomorrow to start taking them though

flashy 31-10-2007 17:07

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lol just reading the side effects from them

Akathisia
Anxiety
Asthenia
Headache
Flu syndrome
Fever
Vasodilation
Nausea
Diarrhea
Dry mouth
Dyspepsia
Insomnia
Nervousness
Somnolence
Dizziness
Tremor
Sweating
Dilated pupils
Heartburn
Seizures
Hives
Rash
Anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, hypomania, and mania

Other side effects may occur, including sexual dysfunction. Possible sexual side effects can include anorgasmia, reduced libido and impotence

looks like i may be in for a treat then :(

slinky 31-10-2007 17:10

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They have to warn of POSSIBLE side effects, you may get about 2 of them lol

flashy 31-10-2007 17:10

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i hope it aint anorgasmia then ;)

harwood red 31-10-2007 17:13

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I was on some tablets once that had side effects listed...amongst them were diarrhea, constipation and some confusion


well I think that would be confusing enough if you had first two then you would definately have the latter :D

MargaretR 31-10-2007 17:14

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I have found that side effects can be worse that the symptoms they are supposed to treat. I need daily painkillers and there are no herbal substitutes for them, but would prefer to avoid all prescription meds if I could.
Unfortunately some people cannot survive without them.

BERNADETTE 31-10-2007 17:18

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Think if I saw a list of side effects like that I would be very wary of taking the tablets. I know they have to list possible side effects but that list would put me off big time!!

flashy 31-10-2007 17:21

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its put me off a bit, but i will give them a try, as long as they dont have a sedative in them like the others i aint bothered :D

BERNADETTE 31-10-2007 17:31

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Give them a go Flashy but why not look into herbal remedies as well?

flashy 31-10-2007 17:46

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i've done that before Bernie, ive had st johns wart and evening primrose, they did nothing for me

BERNADETTE 31-10-2007 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486983)
i've done that before Bernie, ive had st johns wart and evening primrose, they did nothing for me

Ok well hope these tablets do the trick. Good Luck:D

MargaretR 31-10-2007 18:23

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There is a herbal alternative to St Johns Wort - it is produced from griffonia seeds and is called 5HPT
5-HTP and the Serotonin Connection - Depression and Anxiety
but read carefully before considering taking it because ANY herbal remedy can conflict with some prescribed drugs

flashy 02-11-2007 19:40

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i started the new NEW tablets today, they havent doped me up whatsoever, which is a good thing

katex 02-11-2007 20:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 487860)
i started the new NEW tablets today, they havent doped me up whatsoever, which is a good thing

Oh good, not going to turn into the axe murderer then..joking Flashy honest :D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x

BERNADETTE 02-11-2007 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 487860)
i started the new NEW tablets today, they havent doped me up whatsoever, which is a good thing

No you definately aren't doped up today, glad they seem to be helping:)

slinky 02-11-2007 21:43

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Well I have started on Propranolol tablets today. They are Beta Blockers to me and you :)

Never took them before, so not sure of there effects. Has anyone ever taken these??




Sorry flashy for hi-jacking your thread :o

Mick 03-11-2007 05:59

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There you go Slinky happy reading
http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-i02.html

flashy 03-11-2007 08:29

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mel what you on those for hun? you got something wrong with your heart?

slinky 03-11-2007 14:46

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 487966)
mel what you on those for hun? you got something wrong with your heart?

No, don't panic, ya don't get rid of me that easy :D

I went to the doctors yesterday because I kept getting head aches.

He did my bloody pressure and pulse and said that my pulse was a little racy.

He said I was suffering from stress, and asked me to take these tablets for a while and see if they help.

Not sure if they are helping or not lol, probably will have to wait and see when I have been on them for a while.

BERNADETTE 03-11-2007 14:48

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You have to be very careful with them Slinky, don't stop taking them unless your doctor tells you to.

slinky 03-11-2007 14:50

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 488081)
You have to be very careful with them Slinky, don't stop taking them unless your doctor tells you to.

Yes it says that on the box Bernie. I'm not taking them for a heart condition though, I think it is more in heart conditions that they say things like that.

My friend took Beta blockers to pass her test. She only took them for a week, it was just to calm her nerves enough to get through it. And she passed 2nd time. It was just her nerves that kept letting her down.

MargaretR 03-11-2007 14:52

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Beta blockers slow down the heart rate which is why they are prescibed for some heart ailments.

BERNADETTE 03-11-2007 14:53

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Don't know that they are only for heart conditions Ian is on them and theres nowt wrong with his heart. He forgot to take them for a few days and he said he felt very shaky!!

MargaretR 03-11-2007 14:56

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If anxiety is causing your pulse rate to increase due to the extra adrenalin anxiety gives you, then this is a way of controlling anxiety

BERNADETTE 03-11-2007 15:53

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 488087)
If anxiety is causing your pulse rate to increase due to the extra adrenalin anxiety gives you, then this is a way of controlling anxiety

Yes I was just thinking that, he started on them when he was in Blackpool Victoria so it sort of fits that his anxiety levels would be high!!

slinky 03-11-2007 17:20

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I wasn't really keen on the idea of taking them really. But if the doctor thinks they will help, then I will give them a bash.

If they don't agree with me, then I will go back to the docs and ask advice.

slinky 03-11-2007 17:23

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1 Attachment(s)
I will tell you something funny though. It says on the leaflet, may
cause vivid dreams :D

I slept well last night, but dreamed I was going out with this man

Which is very weird as I don't even fancy him in the slightest. But it was a very odd dream. I remember we had to go through a Bingo hall to get to his house. VERY WEIRD DREAM :rolleyes::D

MargaretR 03-11-2007 17:26

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Dream Moods A-Z Dream Dictionary
Dream Dictionary
Try dream analysis - :D

slinky 03-11-2007 17:39

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To dream of celebrities shows that you are letting too much pomp and circumstance convince you to act certain ways that are against your better nature, this could be to your downfall in the area of the heart. To dream that you are a celebrity denotes that you desire to fly higher then your social life and means allow. To dream a loved one becomes a celebrity shows that you have a secret fear of losing this person to the world.

Well That means nowt to me :D

And I can't find anything about Bingo :D

MargaretR 03-11-2007 17:51

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Found this under 'Casino'
Casino

To dream that you are in a casino, signifies the risk-taker within you. If you are a reserved or passive person, then the dream suggests that you should take a chance. If you are not, then it implies that you need to make a more informed decision instead of relying on fate.


slinky 03-11-2007 17:56

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 488188)
Found this under 'Casino'
Casino

To dream that you are in a casino, signifies the risk-taker within you. If you are a reserved or passive person, then the dream suggests that you should take a chance. If you are not, then it implies that you need to make a more informed decision instead of relying on fate.


Thanks ............. that means nowt too lol :rolleyes: oh well, see what tonights dreams bring :D hope they're good :D

flashy 03-11-2007 18:22

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mel i'm sure yee used to have a book on dreams

slinky 03-11-2007 18:23

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 488217)
mel i'm sure yee used to have a book on dreams

yeah I think she did.

Jae Swift 05-11-2007 13:29

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Mirtazapine won't make you feel better right away, it can take upto two to four weeks.

It's important to keep taking it if you want it to work properly and for you to feel better.

Mirtazapine has been associated with the development of unpleasant or distressing remay cause dizziness, sleepiness and reduce concentration. It can make you feel drowsy and confused.

It even has withdrawal symptoms so you shouldn't suddenly stop taking it. Stopping can give you headache, nausea, vomiting, dizzyness, agitation and anxiety.

Here's all of the side effects, and just because a side effect is stated doesn't mean that all people using the medicine will get them:

# Drowsiness

# Fatigue

# Increased appetite and weight gain

# Excessive fluid retention in the body tissues, resulting in swelling (oedema)

# Dizziness

# Headache

# Alteration in results of liver function tests

# Nightmares or vivid dreams

# Restlessness

# Shaking, usually of the hands (tremor)

# Pins and needles (paraesthesia)

# Mania

# Seizures (convulsions)

# A drop in blood pressure that occurs when going from lying down to sitting or standing, which results in dizziness and lightheadedness (postural hypotension)

# Pain in the muscles and joints

# Rash

# Sudden severe deficiency in the number of white blood cells in the blood (agranulocytosis)

Stanaccy 05-11-2007 13:39

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Flashy,

Mirtazapine were horrible.

I've been diagnosed depressive for ages.

I took them 2 years ago for one week. Never again, I didn't wake up until dinner (I was meant to be at work for 8:30) I was Zombiefied for the rest of the day. I'm now on citalopram, an awful lot better and I'm a lot more stabilised, I have some separate seditives to help me sleep when needed.

I was offered them again a couple of weeks ago and nearly ran out the sugery, it's one thing being depressed, it's totally another to just have no mood whatsoever.

Hope this helps.

flashy 05-11-2007 13:40

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jae i changed them anyway, i didnt wanna be asleep any longer, the new ones are good though, thanx for the info

Jae Swift 05-11-2007 13:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 489066)
jae i changed them anyway, i didnt wanna be asleep any longer, the new ones are good though, thanx for the info

Ok, good luck with whatever you do next! :cool:

flashy 05-11-2007 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 489065)
Flashy,

Mirtazapine were horrible.

I've been diagnosed depressive for ages.

I took them 2 years ago for one week. Never again, I didn't wake up until dinner (I was meant to be at work for 8:30) I was Zombiefied for the rest of the day. I'm now on citalopram, an awful lot better and I'm a lot more stabilised, I have some separate seditives to help me sleep when needed.

I was offered them again a couple of weeks ago and nearly ran out the sugery, it's one thing being depressed, it's totally another to just have no mood whatsoever.

Hope this helps.



i was originally on citalopram stan, i started on 20 mg, then took myself down to 10 mg, all i asked the doc to do was up my dose to 20mg again and because it was a locum doc she put me on mirtazapine, i took one and that was more than enough, i spoke to my doc (the one i usually see) and he put me on fluoxetine and said i should never have been put on the others, they seem to be working just fine, but citalopram are also good if your on the right dosage

MargaretR 05-11-2007 14:56

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There does seem to be quite a few of you young(er) folk on antidepressants.
This alarms me a little - is today's society putting pressures on our young people which we over 50s didnt have?

Stanaccy 08-11-2007 10:57

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I agree Margaret.

However mine began in very individual circumstances that began aabout 1996 and were then compounded 2002 - 2003. However I didn't admit I needed help until 2 years ago and I have to say the prescription of Mirtazapine delayed me finding help until 12 months ago. Thanks to this I am a lot more stable, (regardless as to how much I am currently being victimised at work).

garinda 08-11-2007 11:34

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I hate taking tablets for Parkinson's, but realised I do need them, after going cold turkey for six weeks, and seeing the physical deterioration when I didn't take them.

I was told yesterday by my neurologist that he wants me to take another drug, as well as the ones I'm on now, because it will increase the long term benefits of the other drugs. However he's delaying prescribing these until after my holiday, as it is in the form of a patch...and I don't want to come back with any white bits.:D

I agree that the amount of young people taking antidepressants drugs is worrying. Depression is a very real illness, but very often drugs just mask the underlying causes, and talking therapies can be a more effevtive long term treatment, and all without side effects.

jackyalex 08-11-2007 22:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 486953)
lol just reading the side effects from them

Akathisia
Anxiety
Asthenia
Headache
Flu syndrome
Fever
Vasodilation
Nausea
Diarrhea
Dry mouth
Dyspepsia
Insomnia
Nervousness
Somnolence
Dizziness
Tremor
Sweating
Dilated pupils
Heartburn
Seizures
Hives
Rash
Anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, hypomania, and mania

Other side effects may occur, including sexual dysfunction. Possible sexual side effects can include anorgasmia, reduced libido and impotence

looks like i may be in for a treat then :(


it makes me laugh this, usually you take pills to make you feel better, but you could get the same side effect as your illness

lindsay ormerod 07-12-2007 21:01

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Far too many anti -depressants are handed out by doctors who either can't be bothered to listen to their patients needs or who are too busy and have far too big a caseload to spend the time with patients.
Also too many people just take a few days worth and when they see no immediate results shoot off back to the gp demanding something different, you wouldn't expect immediate weight loss after 2 days on SlimFast !:rolleyes:
Hope your new meds are fine for you though, I got prescribed Xyzal for my hayfever that had the " may cause drowsiness" warning, I was falling asleep by noon every day !

flashy 07-12-2007 21:09

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the new ones are great


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