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Gayle 06-07-2008 17:11

A dumb question about cookers
 
Ok, I know this is going to be a dumb question but I've never bought a gas/electric cooker before - every house I've moved into has had a fairly decent one and I've moved out before I've ever needed to shop for one.

We currently have a dual fuel one - gas hob and electric oven, which I like so would like to buy a similar one (only one that works properly). It's free standing so wouldn't involve ripping out half the kitchen.

So, my question is - if I were to go to comet or some other such store and they were to deliver me a shiny new cooker of my choice, how would I go about installing it (or having it installed) and making sure it was safe to use?

Plus, as a secondary question - what do I do with the manky old one that's of no use to anyone anymore?

Neil 06-07-2008 17:20

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
If you look at your the oven and grill bit will probably plug into a normal socket, you need to look and see if it is. The hob bit if your lucky will have a rubber pipe coming from it that plugs into a special gas connector. You are allowed to undo these as they are self sealing on both the plug and socket part.

Ring me its easier to explain. Has yours got a shared oven and grill or is it a double oven with a grill in the top oven?

Shared single oven and gril are naff, you cant oven and grill at the same time.

Gayle 06-07-2008 17:22

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
It is shared oven and grill at the moment but I want to get one of those that has two ovens.

Gayle 06-07-2008 17:24

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Any plugs or whatever must be hidden behind it so I'd have to pull it all out to find out.

emamum 06-07-2008 17:58

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
currys charge around £47 to install and will take away your old one for free....

panther 06-07-2008 18:23

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Gayle, found this for ya on comet website;)

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/adv...tallation#box4

MargaretR 06-07-2008 18:33

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
I got a cooker from Dixons a year ago - their installation men did it, and removed the old one. (Currys and Dixons are in the same Company I think)
It was well worth the extra charge.

Neil 06-07-2008 18:35

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 602958)
Any plugs or whatever must be hidden behind it so I'd have to pull it all out to find out.

You need to see what you have behind it then. A double electric oven may take too much current for a 13A plug so may need a larger supply than what you have now. These Currys installation charges only apply if everything needed is there. They will not install a 45Amp cooker point if needed for £47

jaysay 07-07-2008 09:52

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
I got a new cooker from Argos and they provide a fitting service at extra cost, but can't remember what that cost was, but it tells you on the Web Site

entwisi 07-07-2008 11:03

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
once you decide which model you want put it into pricerunner and kelkoo to see if you can get it cheaper online. Then before clicking through go to quidco and see if they have a deal with the supplier. you can often get another 2 or 3% off what was already teh cheapest price!.

:D, every penny counts!!!

Benipete 07-07-2008 12:04

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
leave the old one in your back yard and our local friendly gypsies will take it off your hands for free.

derekgas 07-07-2008 12:39

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
The gas supply has to be connected by a gorgi installer, you are not legally allowed to do this yourself, the electric is more than likely a 45amp box, only the infra red ones were plug in, as for buying the cooker, choose your cooker, then go and see hughie at hecas on electricity street (next to asda) he will get it cheaper for you.

emamum 07-07-2008 12:46

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 602952)
Plus, as a secondary question - what do I do with the manky old one that's of no use to anyone anymore?


Is it completely broken?

if not then HUFS will probably take it (they didnt have any cookers when i needed one)

accyman 09-07-2008 07:15

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 603323)
The gas supply has to be connected by a gorgi installer, .


is a gorgi installer a plumber from newcastle ? :D

derekgas 09-07-2008 07:20

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Could be accyman, or just another typo! hehe

Neil 09-07-2008 07:21

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 603323)
The gas supply has to be connected by a gorgi installer, you are not legally allowed to do this yourself

You know that is not totally true. If the cooker has a flexible pipe attached and connects to the supply using a self sealing fitting on both ends of the connector then you don't need to be corgi registered to plug it in.


Gayle, we used to have a single oven with shared grill and a gas hob. The hob had a rubber pipe with the correct plug in gas fitting and the oven section was on a normal 3 pin 13 amp plug. That's why I suggested you looked what yours has and check what the one you want to buy has in case you need to have a larger electrical supply installed before you can install the cooker.

derekgas 09-07-2008 07:32

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Easy way to check Neil, ask our council tenants, they are informed when moving into a council property that the cooker MUST be installed by a corgi registered installer, and certified to boot, if you fit your own cooker (which your insurance would not be happy about), then how can you check it is to regulation, gas rate it to be sure it has enough/not too much gas, I was called to one 2 weeks ago which was leaking, turned out the bayonet you are referring to was not connected properly, ANY interference with gas appliances has to be done by a corgi registered installer, even connecting a bayonet hose from a cooker, that is the law!

Neil 09-07-2008 08:34

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Looks like we are both right Derek

Taken from THE GAS SAFETY (INSTALLATION AND USE) REGULATIONS 1998
Quote:

'Work'

21 'Disconnecting' and 're-connecting' have been added to the list of activities explicitly mentioned in the definition of 'work in relation to a gas fitting' to make it clear that checks required under reg 26(9) should follow any such work, as it could affect gas soundness, and possibly flueing matters.

22 However, the simple connection or disconnection of a bayonet fitting or other self-sealing coupling (such as used on a gas cooker hose), for instance by a private consumer, has been excluded from the definition. This is largely to avoid the need for anyone doing this, purely to move the appliance, to be subject to the requirements of reg 3, and other regulations referring to 'work', such as reg 26(9).

23 Anyone disconnecting or connecting these sorts of fittings and couplings as part of gas fitting work, eg the installation of a new cooker, is still subject to GSIUR '98, as it applies to 'work' , in particular regs 3 and 26.

emamum 09-07-2008 11:09

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Is checking your gas cooker not part of the check they do when they un cap your gas supply?

MargaretR 09-07-2008 11:16

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
I have had dual fuel cookers in the past and agree that a gas hob with a fan assisted electric oven is an ideal way to cook.

Unfortunately I found that the electrically operated parts break down after a few years, whereas the gas operated bits never do.

So when I replaced my last dual fuel cooker I got one which is gas only

derekgas 09-07-2008 12:30

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Just to clarify Niel, if you are simply disconnecting the bayonet for cleaning or decor, you can disconnect and reconnect, if it is a new appliance, or removal to resite, it has to be a corgi engineer, so in this case, what you suggested to Gayle was in fact against the law, I didnt read captions from the rule book, I read it, and continued reading it, and the updates for the last 30 years, I wouldnt quote them if I didnt know them, it is after all my job.

Neil 09-07-2008 12:34

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
I agreed with you Derek.

My name is not jambutty, I can admit when I am wrong :rolleyes::D:D

derekgas 09-07-2008 12:40

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
haha! jb will have you now! lol

MargaretR 09-07-2008 12:59

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
Another thing about dual fuel cookers -
When my last one was installed I found that the installation standard fee was doubled because there were two connections

Neil 09-07-2008 13:15

Re: A dumb question about cookers
 
When I fitted our electric cooker I broke the law by removing the gas feed for the old one as it was in the way :eek::rolleyes::D

I also installed the supply for the new electric cooker which at the time was ok but now it would be against part P building regs.


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