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I know this is not quite within the supposed scope of this thread but I wanted to share this photo as I find it amusing. It will probably be my last photo post unless I come across another treasure trove of pics.
I was working as an archaelogical conservator on the finds from the Mary RoseTudor warship in Portsmouth when we had a visit from our patron, Prince Charles, not long before he married Diana. His first words to me were didn't I meet you on my last visit, to which I had to reply no, I hadn't been there then. It's the only time a royal has asked me, haven't I seen you somewhere before? I explained that I was working on a leather bucket, inside which I had found a toe bone, when I was cleaning out the mud. I wondered if someone had kicked the bucket. Can't remember if he laughed or not. What I find amusing about the photo is my boss in the background checking his watch, wondering why is he spending time with this oik when we have better things to do. I've been a fan of Charlie ever since this occasion. |
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Just looked up the profile for whitecrags. I see I was right about him going to Japan, it was just a vague memory. At least he seems to have settled down!
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I'm Derek and Steph's nephew. I randomly found this post via a google search for Derek, who sadly passed away in October. Hope you don't mind but I downloaded the photo to show my parents. I recognised a few of the names above but my Dad (Ken) was able to name most of them from the photo without seeing the cast list! Cheers |
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I'm so pleased you found my photo and was able to pass it on. Very sad to hear that Derek is no longer with us. I wasn't really a member of that group just a hanger on as my best friend was in it, but I do remember your aunt and uncle very well. Stephanie was a year or two above me at the high school. Thanks for getting in touch. All the best Sue |
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I was told about Derek the other day when I saw Albert. Although hadn't seen him since schooldays ... you do feel sad.
On a lighter note, having told Albert about the 'photo .. he asked whether it was the one near the lake. Told him affirmitive of which he answered with a twinkle in his eye .. "There is a tale to that". Will grab him next time to hear more.. :D |
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Over the Remembrance weekend I was thinking about my granddad who was in the Machine Gun Corps in WWI and stood for most of his life on the fish market when it was in a shed. I wondered what he would have made of the new outdoor market.
I hate that market with a vengeance. It’s claustrophobic and spoils the setting of the market hall. I know there were stalls there years ago but at least they were removable, not a permanent iron pseudo Victorian monstrosity. I don’t visit very often but there always seem to be more empty stalls than those in use. And whose bright idea was it to put the fish stalls amongst everything else? I grew up with that smell and it really is something that should be kept to itself. And how sad to see only two fish stalls left… My granddad would be turning in his grave if he hadn’t been cremated. I also hate the way that Broadway feels shut in now that the site of the old 60s market has been built on. Mind you I can remember when the other side of Broadway was sunken gardens were the Arndale is now. Used to love going there and rolling down the grassy slopes, possibly followed by tea or ice cream at the Odeon cafe. See the picture below for a good idea of what it was like. The other picture shows the old fish market, before the 1960s redevelopment. Our family’s stall was at the far end away from the camera and I bet some of those boxes in the middle background have our family name on. It was literally a shed behind the town hall but served its purpose well and was always busy. I remember going down on Good Friday with my granddad’s lunch as they had to be open then. I also remember him going to Fleetwood to buy fish and often coming back with something unusual, such as what we called crayfish but may have been langoustines. Sadly when he died the firm ceased to trade under our family name but two of his colleagues carried in on in the new fish market. But now that market is but a shadow of its former self. That’s progress I guess… :( |
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What a couple of great photos susie, any idea when the fish market one was taken? my guess would be early/mid 50s.
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Happy memories of the sunken Garden.
I used tp play there after my Grandma had done her shopping....she used to go for a sit down and I used to run around the flower beds. Lovely pictures Sue. |
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Pm me if you wish to protect your identity on here. Cheers Sue |
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Fascinating read, one of the best threads I've read on here. Maybe a bit before most peoples time on here but does anyone remember a shop on Stanley Street. made home made toffee and Ice Cream, Ice cream would be sold off a cart in Plantation Square, quite often the toffee would be sold at Stanley Games between the wars and up to the early 50s.
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Don't remember the icecream you mention but I lived on the other side of town. I do remember Birtwell's selling ice cream from a cart on Queens Road, blowing a whistle to attract attention and asking if you wanted blood (aka raspberry sauce). Happy days! |
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I remember Birtwell's Ice Cream too....it was the butteriest yellow.
they used to come up Higher Antley St on a Sunday afternoon.....with the horse and cart. We used to run out with a dish....and my Grandma liked an ice cream sandwich. Lovely.........I am not a fan of ice cream, but that was gold medal stuff. Does anyone remember Stanton's pop wagon? Sarsaparilla out of a brown jug like bottle....the kind they use in the US for moonshine.....Dandelion and Burdock....supposed to have tonic properties...we just drank it because it was good. |
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It was Birtwells.
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An old widow named Laycock used to make icecream at her home opposite St Pauls church Ossy, and sold it from a chest freezer parked in her vestibule. That was creamy yellow too, but sometimes had lumps in which was the 'skin' caused when she boiled the milk.
There was no 'pasteurised' or UHT, and herds weren't TB vaccinated. The option to whole raw milk was sterilised milk which tasted very different. |
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I wish you could still buy that stuff......it was good. We never got much in the way of sweets or fizzy pop, which is probably why it tasted so damned delicious.
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but I suppose we did egg him on a bit. Don't remember his wife, but he had a little shop on a corner in Commercial St. and sold ice lollies that looked like German army helmets! |
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I remember the stoneware jars well, we would also get Ginger Beer in them, then they started to come in beer bottle brown glass, but still with stone stoppers. Our's use to arrive on the back of an old open flatbed Bedford.
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Yes, we used to get ginger beer too. It was supposed to be non-alcoholic but it made me woozy......anyway we tinlids were not allowed the ginger beer really....Ma used to have that as her favourite.......it still is today, but not like the Stanton's version.
I was talking to Ma about it.......the ice cream and the pop wagon...she said it fair made her long for some of the old fashioned flavours. She'll have to make do with some of my old fashioned Lancashire Hotpot.....cooking right now! |
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Hi, what was the family name of your family who worked on the fish markets?
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Stanton was a little tubby man, always smartly dressed and no-one was allowed in the upstairs room where he mixed the sarsaparilla and others-he said they were family secrets. The drivers had Bedford wagons, always beautifully clean and they drove like absolute maniacs-they were on commision and as we sold a lot in Halifax, Huddersfield, Bradford etc they had to go over Blubberhouses(no motorways!) and that meant seriously fast driving to get there,sell and get back. I'm sure we were loaded up and off by seven and didn't get back 'til late at night.We actually ran(so did the drivers) up and down those steep streets to sell as much as possible-those big stone jars got very heavy by evening, especially if you were carrying three or four at once. We didn't get much pay but I remember finding out how much the drivers made-it was an absolute fortune in the late fifties. Funnily enough the weather always seemed warm and dry- I don't remember getting soaking wet, just having to drink plenty of free pop. Who knows, I might have sold some to you and your families! |
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What was his surname Susie. My father use to repair cars down that end with a chap called Jim Peters. |
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I haven't enjoyed a thread this much in a long time, such a good read. Going back to your very early post (sorry only just caught up). I think the couple who had the chippie on York St were John and Dora Birtles and I think his brother Bill had a garage down Clayton and sold Vanguard cars. Wouldn't like to fill one up with petrol today. |
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Well, you know one now... ;) Was told Dora and John did have a chippy at one time, but I wasn't married until '64 and they lived on Windsor Street (I think it was), and I don't think they had it then. |
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We had a rag top a Austin tilly and it had some old car seats in the back, ok in the summer but very cold in the winter. |
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In post 113 of this thread I mentioned my grandad who served in WW1. Here is a photo of him in uniform with his wife, taken I would think when he was callled up in 1917. There is also a picture of a postcard he sent from the front, transcript below. Thankfully he came safely home eventually.
Transcript of postcard: France. Oct 5/17. Friday Dear Sisters, I am going up the trenches Tomorrow Sat so of course I shall Have to Look out for myself now I am writing to you to tell my mother as easy as you can for I know she will be upset when she gets to know this but tell Her I am alright and well. Florrie look after Bertram [his son, my dad] Your Loving Brother Bert XXX |
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Great bit of family history, Sue. Didn't people have impeccable handwriting in those days?
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I have recently acquired quite a few bits of family history, my dad passed things to me before he died, and my 81 year old cousin gave me quite a lot of old photos. I posted the following on the museum thread a few weeks ago. Quote:
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My mum also received 10 journals, letters and documents from a cousin which were written by her grand-father, grand-mother and the younger members of the family. They are full of amazing things - family daily house-hold accounts (item +price), letters about my Great-grandad's mining patents (including one to Lloyd-George with reply) -from these you can see he fell out with his brother who was partner in the patents. There is a draft copy of the letter my Grandad wrote to Ribble buses in Preston applying for his first job, he eventually worked there for 50 years! Children's games and puzzles, homework and a poignant page where my Great-aunty Lucy was practising her "new" signature before she married -that was to her first husband who turned out to be a "bad'un"! It's amazing what gets lost from one generation to the other so it's even more important to conserve and maintain these things which document the ordinary lives of our families and how they lived.:) |
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Just logged in after a rather long absence from the Accy Web. I couldn't help but feel more than a twinge of nostalgia when I read about Central Prep School. I was a pupil there from 1956 to 1963 and after taking the dreaded 'Scholarship' (11 plus) went to St Mary's College, Blackburn.
The teachers' names ring very loud bells: Miss Caulfield, followed by Mrs Kilshaw; Miss Backhouse (my favourite); Miss Hackwood (the terror of many). |
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Yes, was Mrs. Her husband was quite a lot older than her and she was a widow for a very long time. They had lived in Cuba at one time. She had a long life (in her 90's), and very alert in her mind until the end. |
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Ah, right. For some reason (probably due to failing memory) I always thought of her as 'Miss'. As a 'newbie' my classmates were David Greenhalgh, Andrew Ormerod, Andrew Nuttall, Brian Cookson, Peter Whittaker, Christine Court, Ann-Marie Stanley, Gillian Torevell - to name but a few.
I remember vividly Mrs Backhouse playing the piano at assembly. In particular, she could play elements of Tchaikovsky's concerto no 1 - which appealed to me greatly. I never knew where she lived (we used to live at that time in Cedar St) nor that she had lived to such a good age. It;s nice to know that my memories of her kindness are shared by others. |
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I think she lived in Robert Street just off Penny House Lane if its the lady I think you are talking about,Pure white hair and glasses?
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Lovely photos. Am highly amused that you had a crush on my Dad Sue :) He did used to look very angelic in his choir boy outfit!
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My memories of all those school years are strong, hope they are correct too! Those photos really started me off. Lovely to hear from you Claire, are you still in the Accy area? |
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I am :) He is very sadly missed by my Mum and I. I moved to London a year or so after he died and my Mum sold our house on Balmoral Road and moved to a smaller place in Burnley. I'm still fiercely proud of my Accrington roots and coming home later tonight to visit Mum (and my boyfriend who lives in Manchester - he's originally from the South, I'm teaching him how to be Northern).
I've lost hours this morning reading your thread and looking through the photos. Thank you for posting them. He looks a lot like me in the oldest photo! Would love to hear any school tales ;) I believe my Mum finally won him over by stalking him on the walk home from school and asking if he'd like to come over and listen to her Cliff Richard tape...They were both so cool ;) x |
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Hello again Claire ... so glad you enjoyed my thread, it was fun to write, but beware Accyweb can be addictive!
Good luck with training the boyfriend - my partner is also a southerner, I lived with him in Hants and Wilts till 2000, then we moved to the midlands and now here we are in Morecambe because of his job. Never thought I would end up back in Lancs and I think Richard is still getting over the culture shock! |
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If this was Booth's Bakers shop corner of Marlbourgh Rd and Owen street I thought her name was margeret and had an other brother called Ken if it was margeret she was in the same class as me in St Johns.
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At the last reunion she told me that her brother Ken had died. I had a few 'dates' with him in my teen years. |
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where was mr schaffer's cake shop? somewhere around aitkin/owen/haywood road area?
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Made great pies, bread and cakes... Actually started life as a butcher in Blackpool. |
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cheers 4 that, my mum went to that shop all the way from westwood street, on the other side of whalley road, mr chaffer was always pleasent and baked a marvellous cake yum yum happy memories
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Miss Caulfield ran a private school in Accrington and my Mum Rene Cosgrove taugh dancing for her studends for a while at the Liberal Club. My mums dancing school gave concerts all over Lancashire. I was one of the dancers. Hope this helps you a bit.
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Oh, what lovely memories. If I'm not mistaken didn't Rene have a son and a daughter. It's thanks to your mum, that even at my age I can still do a lovely swirl!! |
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Only just realised after looking back on this thread that I had already asked about Rene, (losing my marbles!). Now I remember you Shirley, but I very much doubt you'll remember me. I can remember my first lesson because my mum had bought me a beautiful pair of tap shoes embroidered in silver, but I had wanted what everyone else had, red tap shoes,. I refused to get on the floor until your mum told me that I was really lucky to have such wonderful shoes and that they would surely have made me learn to dance very quickly.
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I remember Shirley - fair long hair worn in two 'behind the ear' bunches PS - still remember the steps of that dance routine, and I have done them whenever I heard the tune. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2IIGPi2hHQ |
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hi i thought the daughter from booths was called margeret as i rember a brother Ken or booy as I knew him margeret was in my class at St Johns.
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I have just found your phots of central prep I am Mariae Allen it has brought back so many memories for me I also remember Mrs backhouse she slapped me so hard with a ruler and made me kneel us beside her desk my knees re still sore I also remember miss backhouse she lived on owen street I lived on haywood road I also remeber eric steedman I had a big crush on him I now live in Lanzarote we retired here last May and are enjoying our retirement here if you know or hear from any of the central prep pupils i would love to get in touch with them |
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Yes I remember him his shop was just down the road from where I lived his shop was on haywood road we got our bread and cakes from him and I also had to collect the confectioners cream that he made and take it back to St Christophers school for our domestic science class
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Hi Sue
I lived on haywood road and went to miss caulfields school also walked there and back with my sister margaret and hazel irving she lived on owen street do you remember those heavy coats we had to wear in the winter and the panama hats in the summer and you couldn't take your blazer off no matter how hot it was - I knew all those shops we lived next door to leightons shop and i helped out in her shop weighing potatoes i used to play with her daughters margaret rita and lenora I don't know if you knew me i was Maria Allen |
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Did you ever go into the "Olympus" on Union Road, we used to go in after night school to do our homework.
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Does anyone remember "Mary's Music Shop? I used to love going in there to listen to LP's before buying.
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Glad you enjoyed my posts - it's amazing how the memories start to flow once you start writing or reading them. I'm not in touch with anyone from CPS so can't help you there but keep looking on Accyweb and you never know what/who you might find! |
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I knew Mr Chaffer very well his shop was just down the road from where I lived he had a daughter but I can't recall her name (Sorry) |
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Hi Susie what a coinsidence I liked nest door to the leightons we called her auntie bell we also went to there house to watch the coronation do you remember Miss shipstone who taught p.e in the big hall at the top of the school we were tired out by the time we had climbed all those stone steps
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Hi Susie
I thought that it must be you as that was the only name that came into my head when i saw susie and when I looked at your page and saw the photo it just had to be you you haven't changed a bit I can't tell you what a pleasure it was for me to read your very interesting memories it brought back so many memories for me we moved from accrington when my two sons were 10and 11years old we moved to liverpool where my sons still live and I think I have already told you that we now live in Lanzarote do you remember the name of Mr Chaffers daughter |
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Yes I do remember Miss Shipstone and PE in the hall and outside in the yard too! She was a little lady and didn't she have something wrong with her - a limp or a wryneck or something? I only rememer Mr Chaffer and not his family, suggest you ask his grand daughter Mobertol if you want to know his daughter's name. You can send her a private mesage. She knows Liverpool well too as she was at university there. Also it wasn't me who went to the Leightons to watch the coronation - it was Littlepom. See post 12 on this thread. We are living in Morecambe now - I left Lancs when I was 21 and never thought I'd come back. But my other half got a job here in 2006 after being unemployed for a while. We had lived in various parts of the country before that. He retires in 2 years and then we aim to travel in Europe in our motorhome. |
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I started school at St Johns when I was three 1949 and attended until I was six then went to Central Prep on to St Mary Magdelens and Finally St Christophers I was one of the first pupils to attend there and I was in the school choir for the opening day when did you go to St Johns maybe you would remember me Mariae Allen my best friend was Pamela Gorten I lived next door to Lenora Leighton if you ever bump into her again would you remember me to her she looked after me a lot when my Grandma went down town I spent a lot of my school holidays with lenora and rita I am so glad I found this web site the memeroies of my child hood came flooding back it was lovely I also went to knowlmere street with my friend Sandra Dean and the Con on Monday and Saturday nights Percys chip shop was the best I knew there daughter Margaret look forward to hearing from you oh by the wy I now live in Lanzarote rtired there last year and loving it |
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used to know Pamela Gorton way back Dobbie, also her younger brother Albert, who became a butcher when he left school in accy market hall, aint seen him fer a about 7/8 years now, though was told hes now working up Huncoat at Senator, n left butchering. I started at St Johns in 52, n go to the reunions when i'm around, its good to see some old faces.:);)
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