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Stumped 27-12-2009 18:12

Windows 7
 
Having been convinced that Windows Vista was the be all and end all to computing problems, I must admit to being less than pleased with it after almost two years of being frustrated by the stop/start functionality and the amount of space it takes up on my hard drive. The pundits are now extolling Windows 7 as the antidote to all the previously encountered problems and pushing users to upgrade. My version of Vista is 32-bit and I am advised that I will need to clean install Windows 7 as only the 64-bit version can be upgraded, which makes me reluctant to attempt it as I will need to rehash/reload all my peripherals which may or may not work with the new system. I welcome any advice subscribers can offer.

accyman 28-12-2009 16:29

Re: Windows 7
 
windows 7 is a big improvement on vista, i wiped vista of every pc or laptop i or my family and some friends owned and put xp on it because vista was nothing more than pure garbage

i am now using windows 7 ultimiate 32 bit and it is easier to navigate , easier to turn off annoying features, fatster performance and even if your manufacturer hasnt started providing driver support for win7 i have had no problems using vistas drivers for win7 as of yet.

try/borrow/aquire a copy off a friend if you can before you pay for it and never do a simple upgrade they never work as well as a fesh clean instalation just back up all your favourites and important files and strat a fresh.

another big problem vista had was that most manufactures sent out pc units and laptops with only 1gb of ram as it is teh minimum needed to run vistabut in reality you need a bare minimum of 2gb

my laptop is about 18 months old and has 2gb of ram and gets a higher performance score running win 7 than what it did running vista

loads of nice little features with win7 as well which can be seen on youtube if you look around windows 7 videos on there

Neil 28-12-2009 16:47

Re: Windows 7
 
why did you use the 32 bit version and not the 64? I am asking because I am about to try out 7 but not sure if I should use 64bit

Stumped 28-12-2009 18:30

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 772924)
why did you use the 32 bit version and not the 64? I am asking because I am about to try out 7 but not sure if I should use 64bit

Though quite adept atn using the various programs on my computer, I admit to being hopeless on the finer, technical side. My current PC came preloaded with Vista. I only checked the format when prompted to do so by my grandson. Reckon I might get him to wipe my hard drive altogether and load the 64-bit version of Windows 7 at the earliest opportunity.

Restless 29-12-2009 00:05

Re: Windows 7
 
well if your pc is 64 bit use 64 bit version.....other way around isnt possible ???

Windows 7 is like a fixed vista.. its great. Best thing they have produced since XPsp2

Neil 29-12-2009 01:06

Re: Windows 7
 
maybe a job for tomorrow

Mancie 29-12-2009 02:17

Re: Windows 7
 
and so now all of a sudden Vista is kak and W7 is better.. when will this end?

accyman 29-12-2009 04:56

Re: Windows 7
 
vista has always been kack mate

accyman 29-12-2009 05:21

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 773048)
well if your pc is 64 bit use 64 bit version.....other way around isnt possible ???


most systems over the last 3 years have 64bit processors but run 32bit operating systems just fine

i use 32 bit because i like my life easy and hassle free and besides i dont have enough RAM in my laptops to handle 64bit lol

did a quick google

Quote:

Q. What about all of my peripherals?
A.
As with PC support, most peripherals manufactured in the Vista era work with 64-bit Windows 7. However, legacy hardware support is a hit-or-miss proposition. Some manufacturers -- for example, vendors of network interface cards or disk storage controllers -- are more up to date than others, thanks in part to the fact that they've been supporting 64-bit computing under Windows Server since the 2002-2003 timeframe. Devices that don't have obvious ties to the datacenter (such as custom input devices, multimedia hardware, and some printers) can be harder to integrate since they were manufactured at a time when 64-bit desktops were a rarity. Your best bet is to do a Web search to see if the manufacturer has published a 64-bit device driver and, barring that, if other users have come up with a solution.

Restless 29-12-2009 17:00

Re: Windows 7
 
yeah i have 4GB in mine so it needs 64bit windows

mancie. Windows 7 rules, Vista was ****e. You will find a lot of people agree. I fixed my friends mum's pc other day (shes 80) and even she agrees hehe

Stumped 29-12-2009 17:40

Re: Windows 7
 
Guess I'm more baffled than ever now. My system has a 224GB Hard Drive and 2GB's of RAM. If that will support the 64-bit Windows 7 operating system, then I reckon my best bet would be to clean install it after backing up all my important files - which will no doubt mean my having to reload Microsoft Office and my HP Photosmart Printer Disks, not to mention my internet modem. Buggar.

accyman 30-12-2009 00:57

Re: Windows 7
 
2gb of ram isnt enough ,it will work but not very well, eveywhere i have read up on it says 4gb of ram minimumn

personaly i would go for 32bit because you will probably get problems with some software unless they have a specific 64bit version of it like photoshop does foe example

Stumped 30-12-2009 18:38

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 773394)
2gb of ram isnt enough ,it will work but not very well, eveywhere i have read up on it says 4gb of ram minimumn

personaly i would go for 32bit because you will probably get problems with some software unless they have a specific 64bit version of it like photoshop does foe example

My geek grandson reckons that rather than mess about, it would be easier for me to invest in a new PC.

Stumped 02-01-2010 18:37

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 773656)
My geek grandson reckons that rather than mess about, it would be easier for me to invest in a new PC.

According to 'The TechGuys' @ PC World - where I bought my current set up 2-years ago - the Windows 7 upgrade has discs for both 32 and 64-bit versions, which, they insist, would work satisfactorily with my system and periphals. They state that if my 6-month old HP printer, my Speedtouch modem and 350-GB external drive work with Vista, then they will most certainly work with the Windows 7 upgrade. Do I believe them?

Restless 03-01-2010 01:08

Re: Windows 7
 
if that is the case when you go to install windows(the process may wipe your HD) it will ask you which version you want to install 32 or 64.......least it was the same with my disc

Neil 03-01-2010 10:51

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 774711)
if that is the case when you go to install windows(the process may wipe your HD) it will ask you which version you want to install 32 or 64.......least it was the same with my disc

Do you think the disk I saw that asked if you wanted Home Premium, Professional or Ultimate was a dodgy one :rolleyes:

Stumped 03-01-2010 15:12

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 774711)
if that is the case when you go to install windows(the process may wipe your HD) it will ask you which version you want to install 32 or 64.......least it was the same with my disc

I admit to being somewhat sceptical about advice from PC World's 'Tech Guys' and until totally satisfied that my peripherals will work as before, I will remain with the status-quo. Thanks to all for the input.

Redash 04-01-2010 17:04

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 774885)
I admit to being somewhat sceptical about advice from PC World's 'Tech Guys' and until totally satisfied that my peripherals will work as before, I will remain with the status-quo. Thanks to all for the input.

Try going to the website of the manufacturers of your peripherals. check the support and see if they have drivers available.

I have Windows 7, and my Lexmark printer & Hauppage TV tuner, both work fine with vista drivers. But the USB video capture card, from Roxio, doesn't work.

All usb storage devices (sticks and external hard drives) should work without problem. They have generic drivers and have been supported since Windows 2000 and Millennium.

You can't use 32 bit drivers on a 64 bit system, and vice versa. Many keyboards have extra buttons that need drivers to work, this goes for laptops as well. Unfortunately, support for 64bit drivers on keyboards, is almost non existent.
Also Adobe don't support flash player on 64bit browsers.

At the moment the only benefit of 64 bit over 32 bit, is the amount of useable memory. 32 bit has a ceiling of 3Gb. Most programmes are still 32 bit, but this should change in the next few years, with 64 bit programmes becoming more mainstream.

accyman 05-01-2010 04:32

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 774785)
Do you think the disk I saw that asked if you wanted Home Premium, Professional or Ultimate was a dodgy one :rolleyes:

i also think you will ne nagged for activation after a few weeks lol and despite getting teh fix it will re-occur

get a better copy mate :)

Neil 05-01-2010 07:29

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 775450)
i also think you will ne nagged for activation after a few weeks lol and despite getting teh fix it will re-occur

get a better copy mate :)


I ended up sticking with my original XP.

2 install disks kept causing my PC to reboot while copying files from DVD to hard disk.

Its a shame because if I liked it and wanted to keep it I was going to get my lad to buy me a genuine copy for £30 with his student discount

SamF 08-01-2010 16:43

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 775459)
Its a shame because if I liked it and wanted to keep it I was going to get my lad to buy me a genuine copy for £30 with his student discount

I'm sorry but I don't see the point in that, if you are going to use Windows illegally why not just pirate it ?

Restless 11-01-2010 18:47

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 774785)
Do you think the disk I saw that asked if you wanted Home Premium, Professional or Ultimate was a dodgy one :rolleyes:

hmmm :D

Windows7Guy 31-03-2010 22:31

Re: Windows 7
 
Hello Stumped,
Just a bit of FYI to understand the issues with 32-bit and 64-bit OS upgrades and later options that may or may not be available to you later:
When upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7 you must upgrade the version currently installed within Windows Vista to the corresponding version in Windows 7. I.E. Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium; Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional; and Windows Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 Ultimate. You also cannot upgrade a 32-bit operating system to 64-bit -- to migrate from 32-bit to 64-bit will require a custom install.
The architecture between the two is too drastically different to allow such a change. To learn more about the differences between a 32-bit operating system and 64-bit please go to the following link: 32-bit and 64-bit Windows: frequently asked questions
You can visit the official Microsoft Migrating from Windows XP to Windows 7 site here: Upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 - Help & How-to - Microsoft Windows
There are some nice videos tutorials and steps to take when migrating from Windows XP to Windows 7. And yes it is true you cannot directly upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7 you can take some steps to ensure a smooth process.
Thanks again and good luck!
John M.
Microsoft Windows Client Support

flashy 01-04-2010 06:00

Re: Windows 7
 
this laptop is on windows 7, i can't see much of a difference between this and xp, maybe its just me not using it to its full potential yet

entwisi 01-04-2010 06:49

Re: Windows 7
 
There is also a 'basic' version of W7 and I susp[ect as yours was a low end lappy then it will only come with the cheapest version they could get away with.

I am not sure that is a bad thing.
You can then had extra applications to give you the features you need.

flashy 01-04-2010 07:56

Re: Windows 7
 
Acer Extensa EX5235Z-901G16Mi Laptop LX.EE30Z.004 - Screen Size - Acer Outlet

what dya call 'low end' Ian?

entwisi 01-04-2010 08:07

Re: Windows 7
 
thats low spec nowadays...

My phone has the same amount of memory as your lappy, 40 gig in storage, better 3D graphics chip, longer battery life, more stable OS, and its a phone and camera to boot :D

if you want to make it run a lot faster particularly if it does have W7 ( the link you posted says XP ) then add another gig or 2 of RAM

1 gig is 25 quid , 2 gig is 47 quid from crucial, you may get it a little cheaper on the market etc

flashy 01-04-2010 08:10

Re: Windows 7
 
yeah i noticed it said xp, thought you meant cheap and nasty, don't need much space on it really, its only for Reece to do his homework on, it has office and power point on it and all that, it's easier for him to use the laptop than use the pc

entwisi 01-04-2010 08:35

Re: Windows 7
 
absolutely, you forget that low end stuff today was stuff of dreams 10 years ago....

my first PC was a 286 ( pre pentium ) with 1 meg of RAM and a 20 MEG hard disk.

I still have my first computer which has 1 Kilobyte of RAM and no storage.......

This reply is probably more than 1K :D

Stumped 20-04-2010 21:27

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Windows7Guy (Post 802192)
Hello Stumped,
Just a bit of FYI to understand the issues with 32-bit and 64-bit OS upgrades and later options that may or may not be available to you later:
When upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7 you must upgrade the version currently installed within Windows Vista to the corresponding version in Windows 7. I.E. Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium; Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional; and Windows Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 Ultimate. You also cannot upgrade a 32-bit operating system to 64-bit -- to migrate from 32-bit to 64-bit will require a custom install.
The architecture between the two is too drastically different to allow such a change. To learn more about the differences between a 32-bit operating system and 64-bit please go to the following link: 32-bit and 64-bit Windows: frequently asked questions
You can visit the official Microsoft Migrating from Windows XP to Windows 7 site here: Upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 - Help & How-to - Microsoft Windows
There are some nice videos tutorials and steps to take when migrating from Windows XP to Windows 7. And yes it is true you cannot directly upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7 you can take some steps to ensure a smooth process.
Thanks again and good luck!
John M.
Microsoft Windows Client Support

Thanks for your input. As my current system has only 2gb of RAM, I have been advised to forget Windows 7 unless I go for a new system with it preloaded. An expense I can ill afford, so I'll blunder on with the crap that is Vista Home Premium.

accyman 21-04-2010 00:06

Re: Windows 7
 
2gb is plenty of ram for windows 7 your advisor is a bad one mainly because if your system is running vista which is an inferior operating system it will certainly be capable of running win 7 32bit and it will be noticably faster too.Most systems sold with win 7 come with 2gb of ram

iv installed win 7 on many laptops and pc's that origionaly had vista on and every sigle one of them performed better .Also if your computer manufacturer dosnt offer drivers for win7 just use vista ones but you will find that in most cases win7 will load drivers for all your devices and you will be set to go as soon as teh instalation finishes

vista is a pig of an operating system which they coudlnt fix so they abandoned it and brought out win 7 which is basically vista started from scratch and a few extras to boot.

if your still not sure get your hands on a spare hard drive if you can and download a copy of win 7 to try it out before buying it so that you can be sure it works on your system

accyman 21-04-2010 01:07

Re: Windows 7
 
what are your system specifications because i am running win7 ultimate on an old advent 7113 laptop that has only 2gb of ram which origionaly came with vista home and also i am running win7 ultimate on an acer aspire 5735z with only 2gb of ram which also came with vista home

neither of these laptops have win 7 support on tehir manufacturers webiste but run a lot better on win7 than they ever did running vista.

dont install win7 on top of vista though its always better to do a complete fresh install as merely upgrading leaves clutter behind and you will end up with problems regardless of what microsoft claim so a clean install is always better just liek it always has been when people went from win98 to xp or xp to vista .

i still use xp on my desktop because its a bit too old for vista or win7 but everything else that had vista like my laptops got wiped to xp teh day i got them but as soon as win 7 came along i installed it and noticed a great improvement over vista immidiatly

Stumped 21-04-2010 18:29

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 808446)
what are your system specifications because i am running win7 ultimate on an old advent 7113 laptop that has only 2gb of ram which origionaly came with vista home and also i am running win7 ultimate on an acer aspire 5735z with only 2gb of ram which also came with vista home

neither of these laptops have win 7 support on tehir manufacturers webiste but run a lot better on win7 than they ever did running vista.

dont install win7 on top of vista though its always better to do a complete fresh install as merely upgrading leaves clutter behind and you will end up with problems regardless of what microsoft claim so a clean install is always better just liek it always has been when people went from win98 to xp or xp to vista .

i still use xp on my desktop because its a bit too old for vista or win7 but everything else that had vista like my laptops got wiped to xp teh day i got them but as soon as win 7 came along i installed it and noticed a great improvement over vista immidiatly

Packard Bell BL PB IMEDIA 2423 - purchased new 21.1.2008.
AMD Phenom (tm) Quad Core Processor 2.20Ghz
RAM 2.00GB
32-bit system with Service Pack 1

I also us a 500gb external hard drive for storage of files, photographs, etc., to lesson the load on the internal hard drive.

accyman 22-04-2010 17:54

Re: Windows 7
 
is this it ?

Downloads - IMEDIA 2423 - PB80X09901 - iMedia - platform_amadeus_imedia - Desktop

it seems it comes with vista installed so i see no concerns with it running win7 infact i think win7 will install drivers as it goes along for most of the items on the motherboard and if not theres vista drivers right there you can use.If your running vista at the moment vistas biggest let down was memory leak so basicaly if 2gb ram is enough for vista it certainly is for win7 which dosnt have teh same problem as vista.Companies arnt offering win7 drivers because they want you to buy a new system .

Stumped 22-04-2010 18:01

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 808952)
is this it ?

Downloads - IMEDIA 2423 - PB80X09901 - iMedia - platform_amadeus_imedia - Desktop

it seems it comes with vista installed so i see no concerns with it running win7 infact i think win7 will install drivers as it goes along for most of the items on the motherboard and if not theres vista drivers right there you can use.If your running vista at the moment vistas biggest let down was memory leak so basicaly if 2gb ram is enough for vista it certainly is for win7 which dosnt have teh same problem as vista.Companies arnt offering win7 drivers because they want you to buy a new system .

So if I acquire the Widows 7 Home Premium upgrade for Vista, then it should load itself and work okay?

accyman 22-04-2010 20:34

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 808956)
So if I acquire the Widows 7 Home Premium upgrade for Vista, then it should load itself and work okay?

as long as its 32bit version i cant see a problem, if you do upgrade and its not for you then you can undo it and go back to vista .

it will probably tell you before it installs if theres any compatability problems, if i recall correctly from what iv been told it does a compatability check first or there is an option to do so when you put the cd in.

iv never done teh upgrade route as i always do the fresh install option :)

Stumped 27-04-2010 17:57

Re: Windows 7
 
My grandson has presented me with a brand new Windows 7 Home Premium update for Vista. I am advised that I need to disable my current Norton 360 program, but as he has disappeared on one of his mystery adventures, and I am no computer whiz, I can't work out how to do it. Help?

mattylad 28-04-2010 06:59

Re: Windows 7
 
Why not wait until you can get your grandson to come & do it for you.

After all, thats what grandsons are for, fixing your pcs :D

Stumped 28-04-2010 18:35

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 810699)
Why not wait until you can get your grandson to come & do it for you.

After all, thats what grandsons are for, fixing your pcs :D

He's a little gem. Sorted.

Gremlin 28-04-2010 19:12

Re: Windows 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 774785)
Do you think the disk I saw that asked if you wanted Home Premium, Professional or Ultimate was a dodgy one :rolleyes:

Yes it is dodgy, but.
You could get a genuine bought Win7 disc and before you install it run it through a program such as Magic ISO which will show you all the files on the disc. Find a file called sources/ei.cfg and delete it. make a new disc from the copy which will now be showing in a directory of Magic ISO (you won't harm the original) and then you will have the option of any of the versions when you install Win7. Keep your original bought dick for a rainy day.
Still dodgy unless you choose the version you originally bought but you can forgive yourself if you bought the genuine disk to start wit

I started using Win7 when I downloaded a genuine Microsoft beta disk and prefer it to any other version from Bill Gate's stable.

Gremlin 29-04-2010 09:08

Re: Windows 7
 
I think I should edit the above post which contains the following line "Keep your original bought dick for a rainy day." before I get any funny remarks and put "Keep your original bought DISK for a rainy day".


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