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:bangh8: well we did it again .. i think sven should go back to sweden an ruddy stay there and take ruddy wayne temper tantrum rooney with him :mad: well done to the rest of the lads though ..thats me off to drown my sorrows:( :signbeer: :signbeer: :signbeer: :beer58:

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I SO HATE PENALTY SHOOT OUTS!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

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ABSOLUETLY F*CKING GUTTED MATE!!

Gonna join you in a beer! I'm going to get absolutely f*cking wrecked! :mad8: :drink: :mad8: :drink: :drink: :drink: :mad8: :drink:


F*cking penalties AGAIN!! :mad: :mad: :mad: .......... :drink:

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:eek: i know the feeling well ..penalties i hate them too:was the most nerve wrecking game ive seen in yrs

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Well I am on the lash too.......f@#ing Ronaldo...... god that man gets on my t@ts. Smug little jerk off!!!

So much for bringing home the cup this year!!! fwaaaaa:mad::mad::mad:

GUTTED...................:(

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I hate penalty shoot outs for 2 reasons:-

1) We never win em

2) By the time it gets to penalties you know that the teams have worked bloody hard to get there and are knackered.

Well done to our lads though, they worked hard today..:engsmil:

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Sick but proud we held on for over an hour with ten men. Rooney was wrong..Rush of blood and he lost his temper..I was shocked Gerrard and Lampard both missed but lifes unfair..In all honesty we just weren't good enough throughout the tournament and hopefully Mclaren can sort it out and we will be back in 4 years to give it our all again..Take Walcott and don't play him for a single second..Clever :o

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The first 60 minutes was what I expected from England, it was above the norm for this tournament but nothing special.

The greatest disappointment was Rooney, the space he filled on the pitch was in my opinion wasted. If he managed to stay on his feet he only went on to fluff it up.

What followed however was worth every heart pounding minute, true to the British spirit ten good men went into the thick of it and held Portugal off, for that alone they deserved to win. We lost. **** happens but I’m proud to be British and I’m proud of those lads, let’s hope that we show them our appreciation if only for that last glorious hour.

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Valiant effort by the lads and some dirty tricks by the Portuguese. They played with guts and determination but lacked that extra bit of flair. Oh well, hope the riot police are out in Germany and in every town in England.

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I don't have to be politically correct living where I do and if this post gets deleted I don't really care as I will have had my say, even if it might be brief.

As soon as I saw that the referee and linesmen were Argentinian I knew we were doomed. Rooney sent off for mouthing off even though Ronaldo did the same a few minutes later, my boy Becks, was injured, no red card given for the player who kicked him.......for goodness sake!!

The worst of it was that having got a goal in the penalties it was denied...........flaming cheating b########

I will never, ever watch a world cup again.

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Gutting way to go out.:(

Thought they played showing the most determination today than they have shown in the entire tournament, despite Becks and Rooney going off.

Well done though.:)

Perhaps we'll have a manager in four years time who doesn't take as part of the squad an untried supposed boy wonder, then never play him.

Take your millions Sven and your big Nancy and just leave, Closing the door as you p*ss off.

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Exactly, Rindy..............they played their hearts out and it's hard not to cry about it.

So, flippin' sad.

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June. Are you suggesting that the Argentinean Referee was a bent cheating bastard and not an anglophile?

Get a couple of stiff drinks June and we’ll meet up again in four years time with an Englishman who knows what he’s doing in the driving seat, roll on 2010.

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Doug........should I say what I feel about them, I will never be allowed on here again!

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all i can say now ive cooled down a bit- after watching these england players for years mostly- i am certain we were good enough to reach the final perhaps even win it, but the cretin( sven) played good players out of position, played 4-5-1, took 4 strikers 2 who were injured 1 striker who has never played (and he'd never seen him play) i think i deserve great praise for limiting my word to CRETIN.:D

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I dont know about anywhere else, but there seems to be a great big cloud decended on cleveleys,,,,the heart as gone out of everyone...
Rooney should have his wages docked ,,,i reckon it was his fault it went pear shaped,,but well done everyone else, and the crowd was fantastic,,,

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rooney was sent off quite rightly so for being a p*llock ,for not being able to control his temper and thinkin he was the be all and end all, but in fair play he was also left up front on his own so no wonder his frusteration came thru but sven did decide the formation so all the lads could do was obey

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As someone mentioned above.The result was gutwrenching. For me it has happened twice now within a week. First, Australia with the penalty in the last second of the match.:mad: Second, taking solace in the fact that England was still there, I had to watch this match and see a similar kind of result again. I know how you feel. :engsmil:

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what is it with man utd players? beckham got sent off against argies in 98,phil neville gave away a stupid penalty against romania in euro 2000,rooney yesterday and as for ronaldo and heinzes behaviour, says it all about the club.

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it showed on the late footy programme a clip of ronaldo saying he was rooney's friend....yeah right..... I know he wants to leave utd to go to real madrid... all I can say is.......



GO AS FAST AS YOU CAN :mad:

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Australia were robbed Terry, I watched in disbelief when the ref awarded that penalty.

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Who thinks Ronaldo might not have a friendly welcome back to United when the season starts? Ferdinand and Rooney are two people who might not take so nicely to pretty boys face showing up in the changing room.

What wound me up most about Ronaldo was that wink when Rooney was sent off - I think it proved he knew that Rooney shouldn't have been sent off.

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The fact is Gayle it was a sending off, it was a malicious stamp, although i believe Carvalho may have over reacted it was still wrong and deserved to go. However do ou think he would have been sent off if Ronaldo didn't come and give the ref all that and led to Rooney pushing him? I wouldn't have thought so. I can't see Ronaldo playing for United again...

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I don't think it was a malicious stamp, certainly a yellow card for the stamp but not red. Think it was Ronaldo's bad gamesmanship that contributed to the red.

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How's everyone head this afternoon ??? LOL

Well i was mega peed off soon as match finished the flags got pulled down so showed my mood after. As for the portugal he whom shall not be named well he's gonna have a good season if he's still at man u f-ing git is gonna have to watch it not only from fans but from wazzer himself!!!

As for wazzer well frustration took over really & least has reduced the future footy sprogs by a bit LOL!! Sven well voodoo doll what the F**k did he bring walcott for poor lad must be utterly confused as to whether he could of played & made the difference or whether not, he gambled so much on Rooney & yet i can understand the frustration as he's not a lone striker he needs to be fed the balls to knock in & that formation did us no justice at all - stick to what we know & play best the thowd 4-4-2 !!

Hargreaves was our rock & best player for me man of the match ironically was only one to be on scorecard for pens - mmmmmmmmm been well practiced at penalities - my bottom!! England have never faired well with penalties so why would it be any different?? we should of got walcott on certainly in extra time & go for broke:( least it would of justified svens taking him.

Ah well another 4 years of more hurt!

Becks has quit as England captain but still wishes to still play for them.

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what :confused: :confused: :confused: guess you mean captain :) - my vote is for john terry to be captain next....but will probably end up being gary neville for a few years



Rooney was stupid for his stamp but at the end of the day thats what makes him such a good player that he wears his heart on his sleve, the stupidiy of playing rooney as a lone front man showed...his game is all about dropping deep into the hole off the defense and turning and running at players. Sven - we havent lost many competetive matches under his guidence but the style of football he plays is very boring and calm which imo does noit suit englands players

Crap once again from england...but chin up league football is coming to accy very soon :engsmil:

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I've just seen on Sky,Rooney was not sent off for the stamp stupid as it was,but the push on the C.Ronaldo.Fergie should show C.Ronaldo the door for the head butt on Rooney's back of head.Which was plain to see,right in front of camera's,though it's not showing alot of it on re-runs or in the press coverage.

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Sven was on this morning saying that we shouldn't blame Rooney for the defeat, I for one don't in fact we played with more spirit after Rooney was sent off - the fault for the entire farce lies with Erikson himself for a variety of reasons not least the fact that he didn't really give a damn if we won or not. I think the FA were wrong to let him take us to this tournament, once it was known he was going he should have gone there and then.

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Well said Accymad,Steve McLaren should have took over straight away.I think he only played the 4-5-1 system to accommodate David Beckham.Who I don't blame for our demise but I thought was only a patch of his usual self.The main 3 players who I think can still hold thier heads high are Ashley Cole,Joe Cole and the boy himself Wayne Rooney.The later playing well through a stupid system to the best of his ability,which itself must have been highly frustrating.Like you Accymad I believe the sole blame lies with Sven.....:mad:

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Yeh oopppsss i meant captain:o i've got england head mash LOL

Sven is very boring anyway he has no backbone.

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Why knock Sven? You knew his tatics before the world cup and they nearly got us through, just think what you would have done in his position, your boss says we are firing you in 3 months time for something not releated to your work, you will have the person taking over from you sitting next to you the whole time, you will give positive answers when ever your questioned about your job and never critise the workers or the company.
Great position to be in, England will win nothing as long as you have a system like you have at Lancaster Gate.
Mclaren in charge, well won't be qualifing for many more world cups or european championships in the near future.
As for Rooney I don't think you can blame his club side and I for one would love too, he's whats becoming for the future of the UK, a spoilt chav with money, can do what he wants and doesn't have to answer to the consequences.

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got 3 karma points deducted for my post,thought the idea was for people to express opinions. never mind i wont lose any sleep.

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Portugal shgould be investigated by FIFA - that ain't football, that's theatrics worthy of the Royal Ballet School.
Can't let our players go either - no bottle until the last 5 minutes; what's the point in that?!
Lampard & Gerrard might aswell have stayed at the hotel for all the good they did.
Rooney, Lennon & Hargreaves wanted the win more than anyone - they gave everything & didn't deserve to lose - they were let down tremendously by Eriksson, their team-mates and the ref.

...and please Steve McClaren - include some decent penner takers next time eh!

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Did anyone notice Ronaldo’s wink as he walked away from the Rooney incident after trying to influence the ref? That said it all for me and if he hadn’t interfered Rooney may not have got sent off. You can hardly blame the lad for pushing someone away when they have just barged into you and it was this push that sealed his fate not the alleged stamp.

I would just like to point something out. When you have both feet off the ground it isn’t easy to arrange where to land and you go where gravity takes you. There was no deliberate movement to stamp, he just came down in an awkward place.

But the real villain of the piece is the coach. What was he thinking of in taking only four strikers two of whom were suspect and one was a lumbering ox on the ground. Owen was not match fit – there was no real guarantee that Rooney would be fit to play at some time and Crouch, well he may be good in the air – at 6 feet 7 inches he should be, but on the deck he is all uncoordinated arms and legs. When he runs it looks like he is running in treacle. In fact his height will always be a problem because when he jumps for a ball it will always look like he is taking a ride on someone’s shoulders even when he isn’t.

Whatever induced him to play Rooney up front as lone striker? Rooney isn’t a lone striker player. Whenever he got the ball he was immediately surrounded by at least three defenders and there was no one around to offer an outlet. It’s no wonder he got frustrated. So don’t be too harsh on the lad. He had the odds stacked against him right from the start and didn’t have the maturity to cope. The Portuguese were out to wind him from the start and they did.

The future? Get rid of Beckham, Owen, Crouch. The first two are past it and the third isn’t up to it. Get back to 4 – 4 – 2 the system that we know best. Make John Terry the captain. A captain needs to see what is happening all over the field to be useful and you can’t do that from midfield/attacking. Play either Lampard or Gerrard in midfield but not both. Teach Joe Cole not to be so greedy. His role is to beat the defenders and get the ball to the strikers not go it alone with half a dozen men in the area waiting for the ball. Owen Hargreaves given the opportunity instead of the usual last 15 minutes showed his tenacity and should be first choice for his role. During his short spells Lennon did very well and had the beating of most defenders with his pace. Use it whilst he still has it even if it means dropping Lampard or Gerrard. Cole on the left and Lennon on the right would give defenders something to think about.

As for the penalties, they were abysmal. The Portuguese and Germans were just as tired as our lot but they had belief in their abilities. We didn’t! Beckham’s ability with free kicks and long range accurate passing didn’t just happen. He practiced, practiced and practiced and we should do the same for penalties. Practice until every man jack can trot up and blast the ball into the net out of the goalie’s reach. The whole squad should be able to take a penalty with confidence - even the goalkeeper. I accept that there is little or no pressure in taking a penalty on the training ground but there could be inter-player competition to liven things up a bit. 20 penalties each every day. Maybe even a bet on the side. £100 each in the kitty, winner takes all. I mean they spend more than that on the horses.

I also accept the pressure of the occasion does have an effect but if you can’t take a penalty with confidence in the first place then pressure doesn’t make any real difference.

Finally Beckham has resigned as captain because he could see the writing on the wall and decided to go before being pushed.

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Right all the way there Jambutty; except I would rather see Gary Neville as captain.

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Funny isn't it, when Sven started selecting his team they were all considered too young and immature and although there are a number of new faces there are also quite a few names that he's stuck with through thick and thin but now they're looking like they're past it - surely we missed the middle bit where they were at their peak.

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Totally sums it up , well said jambutty :)

I hope Rooney pastes that little brat all over the place the first opportunity he gets! :mad:

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My head still hasnt recovered from yesterday. Ive decided watching a football game in a pub isnt conductive to my health seeing as i stayed in till closing time! What I can remember of the game when we went down to 10 players we played better. We always lose when it comes to penalty shoot outs. You can practice taking penalties until the cows come home but its still totally different when it comes down to taking them during the match or the shoot outs. Beckham resigning as captain - Steven Gerrard or John Terry for captain.

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it should be that PIGGING SWEDE thats dropped deep into the hole john.:engsmil:

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As much as I agree with you about your view on penalties shillelagh, if you don’t know how to take a penalty in the first place then the pressure just gives you another problem.

This:

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You can practice taking penalties until the cows come home but its still totally different when it comes down to taking them during the match or the shoot outs.

is just an excuse and a pretty lame one at that in preparation for when a penalty is missed. But our lot trotted up and tried to side foot the ball past the goalkeeper. I ask you side foot a penalty? Don’t they know how to kick a dead ball hard? Obviously not! I mean its not as if the ball is particularly hard. They should try taking a penalty with the old type leather ball. So they should learn and practice over and over until they got it right and it became second nature.

The pressure on Beckham taking a free kick is not too much different than that in taking a penalty in a penalty shoot out. It is probably even greater because he has a mass of defenders between him and the goalmouth and somehow he has to get the ball over the wall, get it to dip under the bar whilst at the same time avoiding the goalkeeper. As I said he practiced for hours as a youth until he got it right time after time after time. When it came to the real thing he was confident that he could do the business and only had the pressure to worry about. You could see from his face that his concentration was total and pressure didn’t even get a look in.

I can only hope that the new boss has got the bottle to do what is necessary and build for Euro 2008 and beyond and not pander to the clammering of the press.

We need the best team that is available not the best 11 players.

Whilst they are in the practicing mood they could try practicing to trap a ball and kill it dead with one touch, learn how to head a ball in a particular direction rather than just somewhere and pass with accuracy. Far too many passes go astray although the commentator usually says it has been intercepted. Well maybe that does happen some times but most times the pass is a bad one. Finally instead of waiting for the pass to arrive go to meet it then it won’t be intercepted.

The bottom line for me is simply if we have the ball the opposition cannot score unless we do it for them.

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I cant understand why rooney was playing up front on his own... Rooneys strengths are running at defenders with pace and power, he cant do that with his back to goal laying the ball off to the 5 midfielders, who are supposed to come running through. Why not have played crouch with Rooney off him and drop lampard? I just think Sven tried to accomodate everybody in the hope that one of the players would come good on the day. I am afraid to say that it was a lack of tactical know how and the squad selection was wrong. I really did think this time england would win on penalties. they had the initiative. Ten men and portugal still could not break england down. Surely at that point the players should have taken heart and enjoyed taking the penalties? Did the manager point that out? Probably not. A really big chance to have progressed against a weakened portugal team who lacked a true centre forward. Did anybody notice scolari put Ronaldo up front just after Rooney got sent off? I think he did that in the attempt that an England player (probably Terry who was on a yellow) would take revenge. He changed it after 15 minutes or so putting postiga on if i remember after nobody took the bait.

Hopefully McLaren will adopt a style of play that suits the players better