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jaysay 23-05-2008 18:16

Play offs
 
This weekend its the playoffs, who do fancy to get promoted
My three are Hull, Doncaster, and Rochdale

lancsdave 23-05-2008 20:04

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Bristol City, Donnie and Dale for me.

Please God don't let the cheating swines beat Doncaster :(

jaysay 24-05-2008 10:12

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 580704)
Bristol City, Donnie and Dale for me.

Please God don't let the cheating swines beat Doncaster :(

Hell dave Burnley and Rovers agreeing for a change:D:rolleyes:

lancsdave 25-05-2008 15:54

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There is a football god after all ;

Doncaster 1 Cheats 0

:D:D:D:D

harwood red 25-05-2008 16:24

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I am loving the fact that lowly Hull City will now be mixing with the big boys

jaysay 25-05-2008 16:41

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Well thats two out of three, come on the Dale make it a hat trick:D

jaysay 26-05-2008 17:19

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I've watch all three play off finals and todays game between Rochdale and Stockport was the best of the lot for entertainment skill and endever, Stockport just piped the Dale, but what a good game, lets just hope its Stanley next year:D

Wynonie Harris 26-05-2008 17:25

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 581941)
I've watch all three play off finals and todays game between Rochdale and Stockport was the best of the lot for entertainment skill and endever, Stockport just piped the Dale, but what a good game, lets just hope its Stanley next year:D

...so if it is, are you going to come down to Wembley with us, circumstances permitting? :D

jaysay 27-05-2008 10:16

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 581946)
...so if it is, are you going to come down to Wembley with us, circumstances permitting? :D

No problem, if you'll lug those portable tanks that I'll need steve:D:eek:

Wynonie Harris 27-05-2008 12:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 582250)
No problem, if you'll lug those portable tanks that I'll need steve:D:eek:

In that case, John, I think we'll stick to the Stop & Rest! ;)

jambutty 27-05-2008 14:19

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Hull ended up as third in their league, as did Doncaster and Stockport were fourth in their league, so justice was done in that without the playoffs all three would have been promoted anyway.

But what if Hull had NOT won the playoffs? What if Doncaster NOT had won the playoffs? What if Stockport NOT had won the playoffs? They would all have been gutted.

Having played all season and reaching third or fourth place, to enter into a playoff competition is a farce. OK! So it brings in extra revenue and does create some excitement but only if the third or fourth placed team wins through.

But there is another anomaly. If we have playoffs for promotion and I cannot see the Football League abandoning them, we should also have playoffs for relegation.

Take the Championship as an example.

Colchester, Scunthorpe and Leicester all got relegated after playing all season.

What should really happen is that Leicester, Coventry, Southampton and Blackpool should take part in a playoff to see which team out of the four is relegated to accompany Colchester and Scunthorpe.

Leicester would play Blackpool and the loser goes on to play in the final.
Coventry would play Southampton and the loser goes on to play in the final.
Then the loser of the final is relegated.

It’s not rocket science and it would be as fair as the promotion playoffs, generate extra interest and revenue.

jaysay 28-05-2008 10:02

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 582304)
In that case, John, I think we'll stick to the Stop & Rest! ;)

Seems like a good idea to me, maybe we can get um to play on the car park:rolleyes::D

jaysay 28-05-2008 10:09

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 582335)
Hull ended up as third in their league, as did Doncaster and Stockport were fourth in their league, so justice was done in that without the playoffs all three would have been promoted anyway.

But what if Hull had NOT won the playoffs? What if Doncaster NOT had won the playoffs? What if Stockport NOT had won the playoffs? They would all have been gutted.

Having played all season and reaching third or fourth place, to enter into a playoff competition is a farce. OK! So it brings in extra revenue and does create some excitement but only if the third or fourth placed team wins through.

But there is another anomaly. If we have playoffs for promotion and I cannot see the Football League abandoning them, we should also have playoffs for relegation.

Take the Championship as an example.

Colchester, Scunthorpe and Leicester all got relegated after playing all season.

What should really happen is that Leicester, Coventry, Southampton and Blackpool should take part in a playoff to see which team out of the four is relegated to accompany Colchester and Scunthorpe.

Leicester would play Blackpool and the loser goes on to play in the final.
Coventry would play Southampton and the loser goes on to play in the final.
Then the loser of the final is relegated.

It’s not rocket science and it would be as fair as the promotion playoffs, generate extra interest and revenue.

They use to do that earlier on JB but scrapped it, anyway at the start of the season all the clubs know what the rules are and are prepared to abide by them, when the Rovers were promoted back in 1991 via the play offs they finished 6th in the old div 2 they beat Leicester who finished 4th I think Derby were in 3rd place who rovers beatin a two leged tie

lancsdave 28-05-2008 10:25

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The last time Burnley won in the play offs they finished in 6th place, 12 points behind the teams finishing 3rd and 4th. They beat both teams to go up, ironically one of those teams was Stockport :)

I think it was last season or the season before there was even a suggestion from many football chairman that the play offs be extended to the 8 places below the automatic promotion places. They might as well have had a knock out competition at the start of the season if that had gone ahead. :D

jaysay 28-05-2008 10:52

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 582733)
The last time Burnley won in the play offs they finished in 6th place, 12 points behind the teams finishing 3rd and 4th. They beat both teams to go up, ironically one of those teams was Stockport :)

I think it was last season or the season before there was even a suggestion from many football chairman that the play offs be extended to the 8 places below the automatic promotion places. They might as well have had a knock out competition at the start of the season if that had gone ahead. :D

And Burnley still wouldn't have been there dave:tongueout:D

jambutty 28-05-2008 14:23

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 582727)
They use to do that earlier on JB but scrapped it, anyway at the start of the season all the clubs know what the rules are and are prepared to abide by them, when the Rovers were promoted back in 1991 via the play offs they finished 6th in the old div 2 they beat Leicester who finished 4th I think Derby were in 3rd place who rovers beatin a two leged tie

I don’t remember playoffs for relegation.

When did it happen?

lancsdave 28-05-2008 14:34

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 582923)
I don’t remember playoffs for relegation.

When did it happen?

1986/87 & 1987/1988

In fact Chelsea were relegated from the first division that way.

I believe they also had them in the early days of the football league

Wynonie Harris 28-05-2008 15:06

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 582928)
I believe they also had them in the early days of the football league

Quite right, Dave. In 1892-93, Accrington FC finished second from bottom of the league (only one division up to that time). They lost the play-off match to Sheffield United 1-0 and were supposed to go down to the newly-created second division, but resigned as they didn't reckon they'd attract enough interest playing in a lower division.

norwich stanley 28-05-2008 16:14

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Must admit i'd forgotten about relegation play-offs.I used to hate the play-offs but have to agree they create lots of excitement + money.Still seems wrong though when the team that goes up via play-offs make more money out of home leg +trip to Wembley than the team that has sat at the top all season.

jaysay 28-05-2008 17:44

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I seem to remember that the 3rd from bottom in the old 1st Div played of against the 3rd from top in the 2nd if I'm totally wrong I'm sure STATO will tell me:D

lancsdave 28-05-2008 17:56

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The 2 seasons concerned were the ones they were reducing the number of teams in the 1st division to 20, so in 1987/88 Chelsea finished 4th bottom ( bottom 3 were relegated) . They then played the team who finished 5th in the second division, while the 3rd & 4th placed teams played each other. Thought you would have known that ;)

The team who finished bottom of the 1st division that season were Oxford Utd, turned out to be a long drop from there :eek:

jambutty 28-05-2008 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 583112)
The 2 seasons concerned were the ones they were reducing the number of teams in the 1st division to 20, so in 1987/88 Chelsea finished 4th bottom ( bottom 3 were relegated) . They then played the team who finished 5th in the second division, while the 3rd & 4th placed teams played each other. Thought you would have known that ;)

So it wasn’t an experiment in real playoffs to see who got relegated but playoffs to aid a reduction in league sizes.

Ooops! Nearly time for the match. Well it will be after I wash up after tea, get a decent brew made and settle down.

England 3 v USA 1

jaysay 29-05-2008 10:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 583112)
The 2 seasons concerned were the ones they were reducing the number of teams in the 1st division to 20, so in 1987/88 Chelsea finished 4th bottom ( bottom 3 were relegated) . They then played the team who finished 5th in the second division, while the 3rd & 4th placed teams played each other. Thought you would have known that ;)

The team who finished bottom of the 1st division that season were Oxford Utd, turned out to be a long drop from there :eek:

Alright, alright, dave don't rub it in the Rovers were involved in that play off and lost 6-1 to Chelsea (now Chelski) looked it up last night in the Rovers history book, but couldn't work out why it was forth bottom playing 5 top, now I know:rolleyes:

lancsdave 29-05-2008 10:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 583550)
Alright, alright, dave don't rub it in the Rovers were involved in that play off and lost 6-1 to Chelsea (now Chelski) looked it up last night in the Rovers history book, but couldn't work out why it was forth bottom playing 5 top, now I know:rolleyes:

As things stand I don't get too many chances so I have to take any opportunity I can :p:p


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