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Neil 10-06-2007 06:33

Car Window Tinting, A Warning To Drivers
 
During the early part of 2004, Section 32 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations will be amended to include “Window Tint Films”, where such materials attached to the glass are capable of reducing the Visible Light Transmission of forward windows to below prescribed levels. These changes will be back-dated to become applicable from 1st January 2004.

This will effectively ban virtually all tinted films fitted to windows forward of the B-Post on any vehicle that is to be driven on UK roads.

The reason for these changes is the recent proliferation of vehicles that are excessively tinted. Some vehicles may be so heavily tinted that they present a real danger when used on public roads. The action being taken by the Government follows a fatality that occurred recently where a heavily tinted car was involved in a collision with a motorcycle and the window tints were held to blame due to the vision of the driver being impaired.

There is however, a recognised difference between “light window tints” which may be considered safe for road use and “excessively dark window tints” which are not.

There has also been a great deal of debate in recent years about the legitimacy of window tints that do not obscure the vision of the driver. A clear case has been argued that road-safe window tints do not actually conflict with existing regulations. The Department for Transport have argued however that Section 32 was always intended to cover materials attached to the glass, despite the fact that no mention of this is made in the Regulation itself.

The only solution remaining would be to amend the Legislation.

Consequently and in order to clarify the situation, the Government have finally decided to up-date the Regulations to specifically include Tinted Films since, in the view of the Police and the Department for Transport, this is the only way in which the problems of excessive tints can be remedied.

Unfortunately however, even tint films that may be considered to be safe for road use will now be viewed as in conflict with the Regulations, enabling the Police and Vehicle Inspectorate to take action against vehicle owners.

This has significant implications for the owners of vehicles that have window tints already fitted and also those that are responsible for installing or selling window tints.

Implications for the vehicle owner

After much discussion, a sympathetic Enforcement Policy has been agreed between the Department for Transport and The Glass and Glazing Federation to ensure that all vehicle owners that have had tints applied in the past may be dealt with fairly. This applies in particular where the infringement is with respect to tints that do not pose a significant threat to Road Safety, despite being in contravention with the amended Regulations.

In any event, after the date of the amendment to Section 32, the owner of a vehicle that has window tints applied forward of the B-Post could be challenged by either a Police Officer or by an Inspector from the Department for Transport’s Vehicle Inspectorate, where their vehicle is noticed being driven on Public Roads.

Where such a vehicle is stopped and the window tints applied are such that the Visible Light Transmission level, when measured using an approved device falls to below prescribed levels, the following enforcement guidelines have been agreed with, and recommended, by the Government.

Above 30% Visible Light Transmission (Less Severe Window Tints)

The owner or driver of such a vehicle would be required to have the tinted film removed from the windows under the direction of either a Rectification Notice or a Delayed Prohibition Notice. A period of grace will apply for a limited number of days (normally ten) during which time the vehicle may be driven whilst the rectification work is to be completed.

In either case, the vehicle will need to be inspected by either a Police Officer or Vehicle Inspectorate Officer to confirm that the glass has been restored to a compliant condition. Prosecution is unlikely in such circumstances provided the vehicle owner complies fully.

Below 30% Visible Light Transmission (Excessively dark window tints)

The driver or owner of such a vehicle may be issued with an immediate Prohibition Notice and immediately prevented from driving the vehicle on public roads until the tints have been removed and either a Police Officer or Vehicle Inspectorate Office confirms that the glass has been restored to a compliant condition. It is also possible depending on the severity of the offence, that the owner may be prosecuted for driving a vehicle in a non-roadworthy or even dangerous condition with the potential for penalty points and a fine.

Driving such a vehicle on public roads before the tints have been removed and before a Prohibition notice has been lifted will be a serious offence and the owner or driver is likely to be prosecuted.

***Mr D*** 10-06-2007 08:30

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I have light tint all over my car.

Think its 30% and I wont be removing it, about time DVLA spent time doing more important things.

garinda 10-06-2007 08:32

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Are they banning mirrored sunglasses too?:D

Neil 10-06-2007 08:38

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 433345)
I have light tint all over my car.

Think its 30% and I wont be removing it, about time DVLA spent time doing more important things.

Is it an add on or original from manufacture?

I can't see the Police doing anything about it but if they wanted they could stop you driving it.

***Mr D*** 10-06-2007 08:48

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 433350)
Is it an add on or original from manufacture?

I can't see the Police doing anything about it but if they wanted they could stop you driving it.

It has GM stamp and light percentage showing 30% IIRC.

Was already on the car, I would presume it was fitted at manufacture as a extra.

I understand the Limo tint (Dark) as at night you cant hardly see out of it, mine at 30% is not so bad.

katex 10-06-2007 11:03

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Always find cars with very dark window tints a little threatening.

When in USA was told now illegal and one of the main reasons was that the police would now be able to see whether the occupants intended pulling a gun on them, if the car were stopped for any reason, which in America is more of a problem, I suppose.

Do some of our Official cars like Royal or Goverment vehicles not have dark tints ?

WillowTheWhisp 10-06-2007 14:38

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 433380)

Do some of our Official cars like Royal or Goverment vehicles not have dark tints ?

They're probably exempt.

katex 10-06-2007 14:58

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 433430)
They're probably exempt.

So, they can pick their nose then without being seen :D Sorry .. bit crude.

Tin Monkey 10-06-2007 19:19

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I bet all the Gangsta types are removing it from their Novas as we speak. :D

panther 11-06-2007 09:12

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i think all cars with them dark windows should be banned, there cud be any weirdo in them watching you and you wouldnt know!!!!!! scary .....

Neil 11-06-2007 09:22

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It say "tinted films fitted to windows forward of the B-Post".
The B post is the one between the front and rear side windows. So and rear side windows or rear screen do not count and can be as black as you want. In effect you still have the same visibility as a van driver (which is quite poor anyway).

accyman 09-03-2009 00:55

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do they still make tinted visors for helmets and if so shoudlntthey be banned too

Neil 09-03-2009 07:15

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What is the UK law on Tinted/Iridium visors?
Any visor with a light transmission rate of less than 50% is deemed to be not UK road legal. A typical dark tint and iridium visor has between 40% to 20% light transmission rates. A standard road legal tinted visor has a 50% transmission rate.

In the latest police guideline report this is the following recommendation to all England, Wales and Northern Ireland forces

“Tinted visors, if used during daylight hours, advice only, if used during the hours of darkness or conditions of reduced visibility consider prosecution using ‘Tintman’ equipment where available.

It is acknowledged that there is much debate about this issue and many variables and anomalies can be applied. Therefore a pragmatic approach is necessary and only in cases where there is an obvious danger should prosecution be considered”

We recently had a hire car while Rhonda's was having some work done to it. It was a Vauxhall Mariva - don't buy one, dreadfull contraption - beside being a naff car it had rear dark windows. In bright sunlight everything looked nice and clear when you looked through them. At night it was like driving a van. When you stopped at a junction and looked through the rear passenger window, or when reversing, you could not see anything. Car head lights were visible but pedestrians were invisible.

I don't think dark windows look good on most cars anyway. Every time I see a car with dark rear windows I assume it is because the driver has ugly kids and is trying to hide them.

katex 09-03-2009 09:05

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There was one of those programmes on the other day Neil ..ya' know like Police, Action, etc., can't remember which, but a lady was stopped (4 x 4 of course .. :rolleyes:) and the police would not let her proceed until she had stripped enough of the film off to give her better viewing. She couldn't manage it and had to send for her hubbie. The policeman explained couldn't help her as he may cause damage to the windows, and would be liable for this.

Can't remember whether she got fined or not.

Entwisi will probably know about the motor bike helmets Accymad.

entwisi 09-03-2009 10:44

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tinted visors are illegal if they don't pass the required amount of light.... HOWEVER, even bike cops agree its a silly law. On a bike we can't easily take off glasses if we enter a tunnel, on a bike we can flick a visor up dead easy. We also don't have sun visors or any other way of shielding our vision hence bike plod not enforcing the law unless you are beinga total prat. a lot of riders will carry a clear visor under teh seat in case they are caught out after dark etc. this also pleases most plod if they get stopped. definately a case of common sense should take precedence.

My helmet actually has a clear visor but has 'drop down' internal dark visor/glasses ( bit like a pilots helmet). works really well and is totally legal.

Neil 09-03-2009 10:54

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 690642)
My helmet actually has a clear visor but has 'drop down' internal dark visor/glasses ( bit like a pilots helmet). works really well and is totally legal.


I was going to say I agree with the common sense bit and carrying a clear visor as well until you mentioned your helmet. If a completely legal way to get around the sun problem is available why should they get away with illegal visors?

entwisi 09-03-2009 12:24

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because there is only one make of helmet that does ita nd unfortunately helmets are weird in that certain makes fit different people, some people have Arai shaped heads, some Shoei, some Caberg etc.

Neil 09-03-2009 13:24

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 690678)
because there is only one make of helmet that does ita nd unfortunately helmets are weird in that certain makes fit different people, some people have Arai shaped heads, some Shoei, some Caberg etc.

Maybe the answer would be to do what they do with car safety items. All helmets made from 2010 have to have a built in thing like yours. A bit like all cars from 1986 ( I think it was ) have to have rear seat belts etc etc

Studio25 09-03-2009 17:56

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 690587)
There was one of those programmes on the other day Neil ..ya' know like Police, Action, etc., can't remember which, but a lady was stopped (4 x 4 of course .. :rolleyes:) and the police would not let her proceed until she had stripped enough of the film off to give her better viewing. She couldn't manage it and had to send for her hubbie. The policeman explained couldn't help her as he may cause damage to the windows, and would be liable for this.

I remember seeing one of these and the copper was quite happy to strip it away by himself. Once he'd got enough off, he gave the driver a producer so that he could show it was all off and had been neatened up.

Neil 09-03-2009 18:49

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Originally Posted by Studio25 (Post 690798)
I remember seeing one of these and the copper was quite happy to strip it away by himself. Once he'd got enough off, he gave the driver a producer so that he could show it was all off and had been neatened up.

Sounds like a lot of fannying around to me. He should have the car taken away impounded if it is not safe to drive.

I am fed up seeing these fly on the wall cap programs where they pull a car over for being unsafe and then let the owner drive it away. :(

derekgas 09-03-2009 19:33

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Both my cars have tinted windows, one is a lot darker than the other, I agree with the front windows being clear, but the rear windows help prevent potential thieves from seeing into the back, which in my job is a bonus!

Studio25 09-03-2009 22:53

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 690819)
I am fed up seeing these fly on the wall cap programs where they pull a car over for being unsafe and then let the owner drive it away. :(

Agreed - but I find it very entertaining. Not watching the TV, but watching my nine-year-old's reaction to some of the car chases which end up with a couple of trashed police cars and a perp who gets 40 hours community service!

merseybob 30-08-2011 14:08

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I reckon the answer in the long run is Electrical window tinting which is controlled by the ignition.
Ignition Off you are allowed full blackout/limo tint very secure!
Ignition on controlled by a small box to not allow tinting of any type to the windows forward of the centre pillar and adjustable for the others.
When engaging reverse all tint is off.
These functions can be created/used easily as the gearbox and ignition are already used in reverse parking sensors.

MargaretR 30-08-2011 14:15

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Originally Posted by merseybob (Post 929989)
I reckon the answer in the long run is Electrical window tinting which is controlled by the ignition.
Ignition Off you are allowed full blackout/limo tint very secure!
Ignition on controlled by a small box to not allow tinting of any type to the windows forward of the centre pillar and adjustable for the others.
When engaging reverse all tint is off.
These functions can be created/used easily as the gearbox and ignition are already used in reverse parking sensors.

Wow that sounds high tec stuff = another gadget to go wrong (expensively)

merseybob 30-08-2011 14:55

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There was something about this on a tomorrows world program in the final series, now that technology was a long time ago.
It was on about house windows but the same would work on cars.

It can be made to failsafe CLEAR.
Most new cars now have electrotint rearview mirrors!

As to your comment 90% of electrical things going wrong on cars today are expensive.

So as with all the "useless additions" we have been given it would then become standard.


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