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Finally, the NME years itself away from the Arctic Monkeys weekly image it has had for so long & got something spot on right.

"What has been rock's most bizarre moment in 2006? Pete Doherty and a syringe? Arctic Monkeys madness? The Embrace football song? Nope, that accolade goes to Conservative Party Leader David Cameron's attempts to go indie.

In an echo of Blair's cool Britannia - when the newly appointed PM invited Noel Gallagher, Alan McGee and the crème of Britpop round for tea at Downing St - the Tory leader has spent the past six months trying to rebrand himself as a hip new politician for the 21st century. Out went the tie and the gas-guzzling car; on went a pair of Converse and the bike clips.

Such was his enthusiasm to cover all bases from Heat to NME, he begged himself invites to the V Festival and Victoria Beckham's World Cup bash, co-opted Bob Geldof into his Globalization and Global Policy group and claimed Radiohead played 'Fake Plastic Trees' just for him during a charity show. Radiohead rushed, horrified, to deny this.

...Asked at a magazine editors conference about knife crime, he launched into a tirade against black music and in doing so explosed himself as the right-wing, narrow-minded Tory he'd been trying so hard to conceal. "I would say to Radio 1, do you realise the stuff you play on saturday nights encourages people to carry guns and knives?" he said.

Is this why Conservatives have a 10 point lead on Labour now?
Is this what we want?
Are we a nation of masochists?
Yeah, it's really trendy for liberals to moan about Blair right now - mainly because Bush mugged us into supporting the 'war on terror' - but do you really think the Conservative party are going to make things any better?
If David Cameron is to be the next PM and solve our social ills, then surely, he needs to come up with a more original rap than this.
OK, he likes Arctic Monkeys and The Smiths - big whup. That's like saying you like 'sunshine'.
It doesn't make you eligible to lead us into a third world war and it certainly doesn't qualify you to start meddling in a world you know nothing about."

Read the full article in this week's NME...

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If I was in search of serious political discourse and dialogue, the last place I would want to look is the NME. This is a pathetic little rag whose only purpose is to market the latest piece of manufactured 'musical' thrash to gullible young idiots like the one starting this post. In fact, I think I'd find more political debate within the walls of the BB house than in the pages of this codswalllop.

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Tealeaf - you're a ****. I take it the word has been starred out by now; but i called you the 'c' word, because you are one. Yes, I'm big and clever.

As always, you thick git, you have missed the point completely - the article was highlighting how political idiots should stay away from music. Much like you should stay away from the Music forum as, like Cameron, you know nothing relevant.
******.

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So that is what it was all about. Well, unfortunatly I could see neither argument, logic, evidence, or conclusion; just meaningless graffiti, fit only for the proverbial ****house door.

I am alwys more than willing to engage in serious political debate, providing of course, there is a reasonable opponent. Unfortunatly, you do not - nor I doubt you ever will - fall into that category.

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What is the matter with you?

It is not about politics.
It is about music.
Pure and simple.
Designed to keep you toffs away from us moany teenagers.

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Ok, Shakey, taking you at your word that this thread is about music and not politics, what's the above all about? Does it mean that it's impossible NOT to like these bands? The Arctic Monkeys are just another mediocre rock band and the Smiths are the biggest load of miserable, self-pitying, navel-gazing camel dung I have ever heard in my life.

I could name you a few bands that really know what rock 'n' roll is all about - bands that could blow your NME-approved media darlings off stage. And if David Cameron listened to 'em, he might REALLY start rocking out! ;)

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OK OK hold on - though The Smiths are one of my favourite bands ever; I will shade over the last comment :rolleyes:

The point is that Cameron is trying to get 'in' with the NME readers type of scene - and to that genre of music lovers; liking Arctic Monkeys & The Smiths is pretty much taken as a given. Therefore Cameron is not fooling anybody within that particular group.

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What a complete load of utter rubbish. Did you suddenly expect someone whos well spoken to simply listen to opera and nothing else? To try and say hes vote winning by giving his music tastes (regardless of the selective fact taking of your post and NME's, since they only mention the 'popular' music he mentions, not all) is ludicrous. Heck is he trying to win the votes of disabled people by talking about his disabled child, no he isn't. Get real.

Oh and, on a further note, if people actualy vote based upon the music tastes of a given leader, well, that just speaks for itself dosn't it.

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I don't think the NME should be voicing its opinions on politics. It's a music magazine which should stick to what it knows best. Cameron may be a big fake who loves "The Queen Is Dead" (Great song btw. Fantastic lyrics) but that's no place for the NME. Comment on how good/bad the Smiths are or how amazing/crap Arctic Monkeys are. Either way... In my opinion at least, politics should be factual and objective. Not Fantastical and subjective.

So, I broke into the palace With a sponge and a rusty spanner. She said : "Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing." I said "That's nothing - you should hear me play piano."

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Finally - one of Cameron's hemorrhoids gets involved.
Try and defend the bloke all you like, the clear fact is that his pathetic attempts to win votes through the NME are laughable.
Claiming to the world that Radiohead dedicate songs to him? At least lie about something believable you egit...

This I agree with. I doubt many readers of the NME would vote based on the leaders musical taste - let alone vote at all. Nice target David :rolleyes:

I'm not questioning Cameron's or the Conservatives credibility here, I admit to knowing nothing about politics nor wanting to; I just don't want any of the liars & schemers ruining the side of society which carries an ounce of truth with it - the music.
Hell knows I won't be able to put the Arctic's album on again without feeling dirty...

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I know this is a music thread but it quite is relevant.

'Dave' was on Jonathon Ross tonight.

Ok he's after the youth/trendy vote appearing on this programme, but he came across quite well.

Wossy asked some quite hard questions, about drugs, the war etc., but his answers were honest, which was quite refreshing.

The funniest question though was when he asked him if he had ever w*nked about Margaret Thatcher as a young lad.

He said no.

Again another brownie point in my book.

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How times have changed.

Blair got into power in '97 because he knew all the names of the Spice Girls and Major didn't.

Now it's indy bands that hold the keys to number ten.

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and this....


http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag.../gallagher.jpg

may I note that our noel was snorting around £4000's worth of gear a week around this time!!!

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...and his then Missus Meg Mathews nicked a load of stuff at the party that night.:D

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what a legend!!

I know I'm not alone then...whenever I'm somewhere posh I always get the urge to steal something :p

oo I'm a disturbed youth - cameron's gonna be looking for a photo op with me in the 'morrow....

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The Shameless brothers soon dropped their support of Tony not long after though.:(

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brother....
Liam wasn't invited...Tony only invited the one with the known location at the weeked!!

In true working class fashion - get your free glass of bubbly at somewhere posh, steal something, forget all knowledge of it the day after :D

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I saw an interview this week with their manager and he said both brothers were invited but Meg made Noel go????

Liam & Pats were way too cool every to go. They were under their Union Jack duvet on the front cover of Vanity Fair.

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There's a few versions around, (McGee likes to stir it) the one I've heard is straight from the horses mouth from an interview. Of course though, Noel being the publicists hubby, had to make an appearance & make that naff photo!

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Name droppin' again sorry.:(

I did know Meg through her promotions company and she probably saw a golden opportunity, so dragged him along on the promise of a free bar.:)

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Aye you're probably right!
I did get the impression that Meg was wearing the trousers a tad too much for Noel's liking!
You seen his new ladyfriend? How did the ugly one pull her!!?

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The mansion & the millions?

No?

Don't know then.:D

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He isn't trying to win votes through some mag he simply given his opinion on things when asked, just like me and you would, hes a human like us, not a robot without opinions on matters.
Your trying to make out through use of sarcasm, that he targeted NME readers, and that hes silly for doing so as they wouldn't vote based on music tastes, or even at all...
So how the hell are 'liars and schemers' ruining music?? You make big statments which don't hold up to much.

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I thought it was simple...
balding fake politician claims interest in popular band/scene = instantly uncool

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Peter versus Gayle. Old news.


Cyfr versus Shakermaker. The New Generation.:D

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How is a politician being uncool ruining your music?
and im quite happy to learn more about cameron and his music tastes, infact it got me interested in the smiths when I first heard him mention The Queen is Dead as his favourite album

I believe it's more of an effort to communicate with the people, allow them to know more about the person who they might be running the country in time to come... a more personal approach, rather than people being distant from politicians.

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well this is fair tickling me cyfr and shaker two opposite ends of the spectrum in my view both interested/like the smiths so you both must hate my guts cos i think the smiths is good music for the crematorium.:D

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But that's you, a Cameron 'fan', getting involved in his interests because of who he is.
I have no bone with that.

My problem is the fact that a politician - the profession I associate with oppression, lies & egos - is trying involve himself into my interests & make himself a figurehead in a scene in which he has no place.

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A figurehead because he expresses an opinion? I don't know where you get this stuff from and you can hardly say that theres no egos in music.

I'm not a Cameron 'fan' as you call it, i'd defend Blair if you put him in the same position.

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its not that many years ago blair was pratting about on tv with a guitar trying to be cool twas my view he was trying to appeal (complete prat) and i voted for him. not because of that. ;)

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He is trying to get his foot in the door - you cannot deny that.
Politicians only talk to who they want to talk to & where they can find an opportunity to big up themselves.

I am not saying that, my point is that my view of politicians - caused by past experience - is that they only do things for themselves, when they should be working on behalf of the people.

You come across as an admirer of David Cameron & to see him in the same light as I perhaps see Noel Gallagher or Johnny Marr - which is how my remark was intended.

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Stop it, Mr C, you've just made me choke with laughing on my first coffee of the day! The Smiths, David Cameron, Arctic Monkeys, Radiohead, Tony Blair?....wimps, the lot of 'em! They wouldn't know what REAL rock 'n' roll is, if it jumped up and hit 'em in the face!

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Thought you might find this interesting, Wynonie - i watched an interview on youtube with Johnny Marr (guitarist & musical genius behind smiths) the other day, and he revealed that his & Morrissey's songwriting partnership was born on a shared love of The Marvelettes!
Is that not the strangest influence a band like that could have or what!

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MUst admit, Shakey, I can't see the connection. However, to get back to the original point of this thread...Blair is a phoney who tried to leap on the hip, trendy, pop bandwagon in '97, but made a fool of himself in the process. Now, Cameron, another phoney, is trying to do the same. Everyone can see right through him (apart from Cyfr who lives on Mars). But why do we need some pop magazine to tell us all this? We know it already!

And I STILL say that none of 'em know what REAL rock 'n' roll is!

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If everyone can see right through him, why are we ahead in the polls? ;)

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I saw him on Jonathon Ross last night and actually think he came over quite well. He seemed relatively sincere which I have to say Blair never does.

The one thing that amused me though was his answer to the war questions. When I was standing for local election one of the things that people used against me was Blair taking us to war. Some even said that they would vote Conservative simply because of that. Cameron said last night that he also actually voted for the war and given that decision would have made the exact same one as Blair.

I bring this up not because I want a great debate on the war or the similarities between the two leaders but because I don't think it is a thing that can be used against Labour in favour of the Conservatives when they too supported it.

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The thing with Blair is, I think a lot of people supported the war ... like in america, (although more americas supported it than british) anyway... the way the war has turned out is what Blair has been judged on.... Although i guess thats not really his fault, but they need someone to blame :)

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Yes, but my point is that really people should not use it as a deciding point between Blair and Cameron as they both made the same decision.

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Lesser of two evils. We know Blair is duplicitous. We only think Cameron is...although I'm sure he'll prove to be so.

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Could always vote for the other parties, if those two really are evil, then I would have thought people vote for someone else, I certainly wouldn't vote for someone whome i thought was evil.

Yeah Gayle, they shouldn't judge between Labour and Tories on the war. :D

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Because, Cameron's minime; more people trust in the fake persona the conservative leader puts forward with his Blair-wannabe-ism, than people who believe that Labour is the way forward.

Green Party all the way man :D

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[QUOTE=Cyfr]Could always vote for the other parties, if those two really are evil, then I would have thought people vote for someone else, I certainly wouldn't vote for someone whome i thought was evil. there is not much option i think cyfr! the other parties are not fit to govern,and the 2 that are don't thats why i'm so sodding cynical.;)

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There isn't really much option at the moment other than vote for the main two parties - I suppose we could consider the one with the name like a chinese vase but what exactly are they about at the moment (they seem to have vanished).

When the general election comes along we'll be making the decision between the two leaders but I'm a bit worried for Hyndburn if that happens. We happen to have a very good local MP in Greg Pope, he really cares about his constituents and works very hard at a local level with them (and yes, I know he's not on every other page in the paper telling us that he's doing this like other people do, he's just getting on with it). I just hope that people vote locally although I suspect that people will be swayed by the two leaders - it's hard not to be.

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That's an interesting point, Gayle, but would you do the same if the boot was on the other foot? The last time I lived in Accy, Ken Hargreaves was our MP. I thought he was excellent MP - a local lad who cared about his constituents, rather than making a name for himself in Parliament. He certainly went out of his way to help me when I had a problem that needed sorting out. Now, you may not agree with my assessment of him but just say you did for the sake of argument, would you have been prepared to "vote locally"?

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I know, it's a really tough thing to do but yes, I would. I have voted for different parties in the past (admittedly never Conservative and not recently) if I've thought that person could be of help to the community.

I did think that the Conservatives fielded an interesting candidate for the last general election (apart from his bizarre views on euthanasia) but as Greg was in the job I felt he should be given the opportunity to continue so voted for Greg. Why fix it if it ain't broke?

However, what will happen next time is that people will not be voting for Greg or James (or whoever they put up) but will be voting for Blair or Cameron. Hopefully, Greg's majority here is sufficient to hold the seat but other more marginal seats will go.