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and smiffy with succsess comes support, but please dont anyone on this site moan about people not cumming through the gate as at this levle people will only come through the gates if the team are playing well, having seen my local club Maidstone United win premotion from the conference into the football league several years ago now they went full time and 2 years later went bust and just like accrington they are making the long road back last year they didnt have a good season league wise and there home gate sufferd badly and so did all away teams this year they have a few new players a manager that joined them mid season last year. they are still unbeaten in 4 league matches and in the fa cup and average attendances are allready back up in the 300s and thats a kent league side, the moral of the story is get it right on the field, keep winning then win and play well and the attendace problem will look after itself
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I don't consider my hearing to be defective. I did say Eric & frank directly spoke to me & stated that the FA had set the price. That cannot be heresay, rumour or conjecture unless the dictionary definitions have been altered. I too will be interested in the response-if you get one & will be first in the queue to question Eric & Frank! |
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Admission Charges club membership concessions must be the same for home and away fans. Funny how Hereford got away with charging £1.00 for their kids & £8.00 for ours for the last game of the season. Burton will charge £12.00 for terracing & £14.00 for seating this weekend by the way. Wonder if the earlier prices were taken from last seasons sites-I know that Greys have not updated theirs this season yet! |
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I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about who sets minimum admission prices. At the end of the day many clubs around the country are having this debate about how to get people in, including us at Southport.
I must admit, whilst knowing the conference had minimum admission prices I didn't realise it was only set at £7. Leigh RMI used the minimum admission charge to justify thewir much higher prices. I don't personally give a stuff what admission prices are unless they discriminate against one section of fans as we found to our cost at kiddy recently. I'm the kind of person that is wedded to my club and will be at most games anyway. the question for non league clubs is how do you get in those that aren't committed to the same extent. Success plays a part but those new fans that are attracted are often only attracted to success so it's not a big surprise when they drift off when they don't constantly get rewarded. Clubs like ours need to market themselves differently. Most seasons you'll have very little success so there has to be another reason to watch your team. You have to emphasize the fact it is your team, that the atmosphgere is more friendly, that families are welcome, that you can relate to the players. Let's face it, supporting accy or Southport (in my case), we are unlikely to get to the premiership so there's no point trying the same marketing strategies that those clubs adopt. |
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Success is a dream but also a possibility I know. I was took to Blackburn as a kid when they languished in the old third division, but also watched the rise of Wimbledon at Plough Lane.
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Staveros sussed! Writes bemoaning the lack of support and then admits he didn't even go on Saturday and probably hasn't been this season.
Admittedly the Canvey game was poor, but Saturday was a big improvement and an independent who went with me said the standard was much better than last season. With Cooke sitting in the TV gantry and just Mike Flynn heading for middle age, the age profile of the team has come down and Coleman is obviously building for the future. I took three others with me on Saturday, if Staveros and some of the other moaners on here had got off their bums and done the same, then the crowd would have been much bigger. Put up or shut up. |
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Simonstone and Kipax, what ARE you on??
At which point did I claim to have been in attendance on Saturday?? I just didn't. If you have actually bothered to read my initial post I would think it blatently obvious that I wasn't on. Sussed? Did you go to school SimonStone? You're a real sleuth eh, ha! Its as if the pair of you fail to understand the tone of the entire thread. It is all about reasons WHY the attendance is poor, WHY people like ME dont feel motivated to come on anymore. Do you get that?? You think saying 'huh, you're 'avin a go and you didn't even come on yourself' is going to help?? No, it isn't. Thats about as motivational as sending a child to the paper shop with the incentive being "i'll time you". You guys need to get a grip. If you want to continue feeling that you're part of an exclusive(somewhat low grade) 'old boys club' then continue with your current approach, you will have your way because nothing will change. It will only be to the detriment of this club you profess to love though. You will not get people back by making them feel guilty because they wont. I have given stanley plenty of dosh in the past, through the turnstile and over the bar. I wont feel guilty though for refusing to pay 12 quid a match when I dont see any progress being made. If you're hardcore you will pay it, as I would pay whatever they ask at Everton, but you cant expect your 'supplimentary' fan base to do likewise. they are always going to be success/player signing driven. Its the same all through the league, everton included. At Goodison we have a solid 32 000 I would say, they will come what may, the rest though, they pick and choose. With our relative success last year we will be sold out most weeks this, however, should we not build upon last season(we have though, strengthening the squad impressively) then the gate would certainly decrease again next year. Thats how fickle people are but its is the way it is, you just have to deal with it. Im all for initiatives but I am just being honest, word of mouth and ticket incentives dont work. It may have an effect in the very short term but financially that is useless because they are not full price tickets being sold. If the club make a big signing(not some benin international nobody has ever heard of being dressed up as the next Cantona) then people will come back, no doubt at all. They will pay the 12 quid as well, no gimmicks. You know im right and you know this is the rockest thread ever. Im the man. |
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OK then staveros why sign some well known no hoper just to get people thorugh gates who will nto come back when the novality has worn off?
Why not build slowly on success and improve the squad then this inturn raisies us up the leagues, which as we all know puts bums on seats When burnley brought Gazza to the turf it never worked!!! so bringing him to stanley aint going to work either |
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The ultimate aim is to create more of the long term fan not fair weather fans. Yeah they are great but ultimately you can't base future signings on maybe fans.
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Your idea of TV's & Gimmicks & more Bar Staff, its god damn nonsense. We need to attract Stanley fans to the IES to support Stanley, not poach fairweather fans because they will only come in the "fairweather" I reckon 1000 will be our gate all season & we will have to live with it! & Staveros, Coley is "the man" |
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When, exactly, did I 'complain'? I merely addressed the problem and started a discussion, I didn't throw any mud at anyone not attending did I? I would suggest that it is you who is waiting for the 'penny to drop' but I now fear it probably wouldn't fit the slot in any case. Jonathan Timmins, your arguments have some validity HOWEVER it is a chicken and egg situation. How do you improve the squad to the extent that it is capable of being promoted, thus drawing more fans, without investing in the team?? To invest in the team you need solid gates. You see the problem?? If you think a name like Paul gascoigne wouldn't draw the punters you are a mad man. You say they would leave once the novelty wore off. that may be true. Are you telling me you would rather not have them there at all then? Remember, once you get someone through the turnstile, for whatever reason, then you have your chance to 'hook' them. If they don't come through, your chance is zero. Remeber, another 1000 through the gate is another 10 grand or so in the kitty, not including their bar/merchandise spend. Thats a lot of money to play with when looking around for someone who could draw the punters. Like you say, medium term there will be a drop off. you can budget for that though. Someone like Gazza(maybe not now he's tied up) you could have done say a 6 week deal with. the fans needn't know the contract term do they. Gazza has a good short term money spinner, Stanley get another 1000 on the gate instantly PLUS loads of media exposure(I mean what is better than the names Paul gascoigne and Accrington Stanley together?). Everyones a winner. By the time he leaves the crowds might have wained a bit BUT chances are you will have hooked quite a few. Gazza has paid for himself and got bums on seats love. Yes its a gamble, but a calculated one. Every business plan is a gamble though. If you plan prudently you could miss the benefits of taking a risk and vice versa. Staveros: the man who knows a thing or two about football, and......talks a whole lotta sense. |
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TV's & now Gazza? Give Eric a call mate....... you are just what we need Mr Non League Marketing Man!
He loves a good gamble (just like Mr Ridsdale at Leeds United!) Unibond & bankruptcy here we come, Gamble ha ha ha ha ! You are a cuckoo! Cuckoo! |
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For the Harwood Red with his 'lets wait and see' business I feel sorry. I have to deal with fellow Evertonians who share your negative mentality. I tell them as I Itell you, 'lets not'. lets go out and show some ambition and lets make it happen. If you don't believe you will never achieve. If you aim for the moon and miss, you can still catch a star. The fans have been before, I was there when the gates topped 2500. I know that was then but it could be again. Build it and they will come. Staveros: the eternal light shining bright in the sometimes dark world of football. |
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[QUOTE] Errrrr don't seem to remember saying wait and see. What I said was you have to base current finances on current gates. Anyone who knows me knows I am not the negative person you make me out to be. Look in the general chat and you will see I am trying to drum up business for tonight so if I was sooo negative would I even bother???? |
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im sorry harwood red, i take it back, you can say as you wish how old are you? if you are 30 or under and extremely attractive you may just have a chance with the staveros as long as you go to football to look at the mens legs and dont understand the offside rule, that would be a real turn off staveros likes his ladies to be laydees if you read me, not men with breasts staveros: never one to pass up an opportunity, always on the look out for the main chance |
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always wondered why you stood where u do red!!!
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He's dead? Oh well, back to the drawing board.;) I do feel we need the best available team, and not just a 'has been' short term crowd puller. As we all seem to agree, success is going to be the biggest influnce on the size of the gate. |
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staveros is a WUM and doing a pretty good job... answer him but dont get too upset wiht him :) just play the game ...
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By the way Staveros at only twenty five, Harwood Red would eat you for breakfast [if you were very lucky,] and spit the pips into the back of the net.
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I dont know what to make of the anger you have towards me, wanting to swear and all.. I think they say...love and hate, two sides of the same coin. do you think you may fit the staveros profile then? Staveros: a perceptive man who can read between the lines, he understands his character to be annoying yet addictive to women..... addictive just that little bit more though |
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I see they tell me Harwood is 25. My presence here is clearly no coincedence then as I am 25 also. I believe greater forces are at work staveros: a God fearing man and good friend to animals |
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Generic? No, it's just proper grammar!
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Staveros just out of curiosity will u be attending stanley tonight? seing as the prices are so low ???
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I'm with Staveros on this; some of his detail is a little dodgy, but nevertheless his wider view is correct - Stanley, for the foreseeable future, will at best languish somewhere in the middle of the Conference, at worst go out. The most important thing short term issue is to get bums through the gates and hence get cash in the bank.
It is therefore no help whatsoever to label certain fans "fairweather|" or even to raise the question of the loyalty of the populace of Accy to it's team. People pay twelve quid at the gates and in return they want a minimum of twelve quids worth of entertainment (be that in skilful play, an adrenalin boost, seranading by the Ultras, a feeling of common bonding and hopefully a win). The simple fact is that alot of potential and lapsed fans do not feel they would get their money's worth. Only 1000 people currently feel that is the case, (from an Accy populace of 40,000 or 80,000 in Hyndburn) then thats a problem. In terms of proportionality, it is probably not much lower than other clubs within the conference, but given our most romantic and historical name then it should be far,far higher. Anyone who comes along with a fresh idea and a little imagination should be encouraged,not discouraged and on this thread I have so far seen little of the former. |
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tealeaf.. all very well accept... he hasnt come up with any fresh ideas that would be used.....
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Wow! I feel im in the presence of a genius, its like a royalty has visited, Tony grab the camera i feel a Kipax moment coming on!
Staveros, my friend, where have you been all this time, how have we coped without you? Where were you when we were rooted to the bottom of the Unibond facing relegation and the possibility of going bust, again? You could have rode into town and saved the day! Instead we get some geezer from Harwood called Eric Whalley and look what thats got us........ A financially stable club John Coleman and Jimmy Bell A couple of promotions Numerous cups, including Lancs cup twice Full time football Shall i stop now? Its nice that your concerned about us, we appreciate it ( well i do), but i think Mr Whalley knows what he's doing. (Although im sure he's locked in his office at the IES busy scribbling notes into his jotter pad from all your posts) Couple more snippets of info for you my new found toffee man friend (do they still throw the mints to the crowd before ko?) Rory and McEvily went to a higher league, we couldnt force them to choose Stanley over a league 1 and 2 clubs. Its like Scott Parker choosing Newcastle over Everton.(soz) You can buy success, bring in a big name, but unless your Chelsea it'll come back to haunt you in the end Oh and finally, this important tele thing youve mentioned................they have BIG screen in the club house now, the whole wall is alive with moving pictures, its a mavel to behold!:) |
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Ok then will you be coming to the game on the 17th against crawley???
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Any minute now there will be a post.. eibo? who are you.. do you go to games?
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tealeaf, my erudite friend from the south,your presence and support is greatly appreciated.
it is good to see that someone else understands the subtle messages behind staveros' 'ramblings'. whilst staveros is always looking out for the greater good, the mocking of foolish men(diesel) often makes the retreat into persiflage seem an attractive option. tealeaf, you are a gentleman and a scholar and the staveros salutes you staveros: fair to a fault and always willing to put egos aside in the presence of great men |
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satveros.... BE SERIOUS FOR A MOMENT....we have had this over and over again.. you ahvent really brought anything new to the table... season aftre season its the same....
we end up with two main areas 1) get into the schools and get the kids early.. just like burnley and blackburn do 2) accy has a large asian community... why not try and attract them to the game? those are the only two real avenues we can explore for more fans...... there is NO SHORT TERM ANSWER only long term.... |
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uh hum, serious face.. K-Pax, I disagree, they are NOT the only ways. The first way is futile, it hasn't worked for Blackburn or Burnley so it DEFINITELY wont work for Stanley. It is a romantic notion but one that is ultimately doomed to failure. The second, well, whatever lights your candle, it wouldn't be the route I would take though. I am ambitious, Stanley aren't in the Unibond anymore, they are just a skip away from league football. They are a pro club again now, lets get serious. The roof debacle is indicative of everything if you ask me, tin pot small time. 'Lets play it safe'. Its all very well planning for tomorrow but if you don't deal with today then there may be no tomorrow. Getting the big name player would work, I am sure of this. As I have already explained, I am sure such a move would finance itself short term. Once the fans are there you have your chance to keep them, its fairly simple for me. |
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It has worked for Blackburn and Burnley.. You only have to walk around town to see the shirts.. Kids in Burnley and Blackburn shirts because the clubs visit the schools and hand out free or cheap tickets and merchandise.. once they get them in there hooked... If you dont realise that kids are the future fans of the club then your more short sighted than I will currently give you credit for.
the asian route is somehting thats been talked about many times and suugested many times.. personally I dont see how it will work.. they know the ground is there.. they know football is on a saturday... if they dont want to go then they dont want to go.. cant force anyone.. but it seems to be a populor course of action muted many times Quote:
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Buying a football shirt isn't having someone 'hooked'. Blackburns attendances are as poor as they have been in a long while, shocking to be honest. It hasn't worked and it wont work. The best trainers that all kids want cost like 70 or 80 quid or whatever, they still get them though dont they?? If you want something bad enough, you find a way. (apart from them horrible ugly talentless people on the x-factor, they goin nowhere) Its not about reducing prices its about INCREASING demand. If you make people want to come on the price, whilst still in reason(as it is), becomes secondary. The price only becomes an issue when the enjoyment factor isn't there. Whatever anyone says, the facts back me up. When clubs make big signings the attendances follow. You can argue with me til the cows come home, the fact will remain that i am right though. |
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Staveros your argument is useless! :D
You say that by signing a big name player this will attract people who once they are in then we can hook them but you disagree with kipax and many others who believe stanley also need to get kids in then get them hooked with the added insentive that kids will bring their parents with them So therefore how can kipax be wrong but you be correct? |
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short term.. I am talking long term. you think all those kids that blackburn and burnley got to go to there games will suddenly be a accy fan if we sign an old has been... your not even thinking staright.
i didnt say buying a shirt had them hooked.. it was the bigger picture... things have to be done that effect the long term future of the club.. otherwise it will be a never ending cycle of paying big money to old has beens.. buying new and bigger tellies and the rest of your tinpot ideas the roof is a good long term thing... me and you both know it will happen.. that will be good for the club long term... |
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Gazza throwin a few Cruyffs in the mix(coupled with his name GAZZA) would be just the ticket. Like I said, Andy Payton, he would have been genius at this level. K-Pax, i think you and i will just have to agree to disagree. You call my ideas 'tin-pot' but think it is acceptable that it takes, how long has it been?, to put a roof on a stand. A tiny stand at that!! If thats the speed of progression all round i'll be claiming my pension before Stanley make the league. |
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The only suggestions have been flawed, sorry I like the fact that you care but the club will do everything in their power to attract people as they have after we have seen gates go through the roof in the past years (all down to success, not TV's) I thank you! |
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That makes a pleasent change from you announcing I am wrong all the time.. At least I ahve the ability to debate as apposed to you simply stating you are right.. I really am amazed that you cant see the long term future of the club is more important than short term why go on about the roof when you know its sorted.... ... I did tell you not to play me for the fool. |
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me and stveros.. nagh.. I know who he is.. i also know what the future holds :)
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Hmmm....I've an idea. There are quite a few members on the rest of the Accy Web (i.e.the non Stanley/Footy section) who have never been, or have no intention of going to Stanley. Nor do they appear on this part of the site. It might be worth just running a poll on why. I don't know to what extent it would be representative. All active Stanley supporters are barred. If the monitors allow it - which they should, because its a general topical thread, then it may prove interesting.
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You also say that we should look to Everton as an example, but they did exactly the same as we did & SOLD Wayne & Thomas arguably there two best players!
Had they not had a good manager & a good group of players they could have been in Div 2! Success kept 32,000 people coming to Goodison ....... We need a play off final place to cement another 100 or so "die hards" On a positive, as Stanley fans all we can do is keep spreading the word, keep telling people who you support on holiday, on day trips etc wear your shirt, sing songs in Accrington kebab shops (:p ), convert your mates etc etc I took a Stanley flag to Bulgaria & probably got 20 english people, 20 irish people & a few Germans to follow with interest OUR team. Maybe they will attend one day & I will have brought another £12 into the coffers! Similarly, I now look for Waterford & Schalke results & would attend if i was over there........ Keep............ the ..................faith Stanley till i Die! |
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You cant Kipax, staveros is the most covert of operators!! William who calls himself jase, it is funny you call me david brent, this accusation has been thrown my way before, I have no clue why? It was liverpool fans last time, they had a discussion on me on their forum 'Tthe Liverpool Way', it can be found on Yahoo. The legend of staveros reaches all corners of the globe, one day his name shall be up in lights. staveros: often misunderstood, but still....a good friend to animals |
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Right then...the polls up in the general chat section of the site, the hread being "why don't people go to support Stanley.
By the way, I've got a mate called Stavros. He's a rabbit for a couple of brothels in the West End (a rabbit is the guy who goes round the public telephone boxes sticking up piccys of the girls and the services they offer. Good money,to.) |
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There are three people from the general forum going to the match for the first time tonight, Sarah, Mez's baby boy and Mez herself who has bought a Stanley t-shirt for the event and looked very fetching. Sadly it's sunny and not going to be wet.;) |
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sorry far too much of a coincidence for me.. i hate unexplained coincidences... I know his brother (sort of...absoloutly top bloke) who has big stanley connections and then up pops you.... i smell a rat..
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I may take issue with some of your later comments on this thread, but I must concur that the non-footy section of AccyWeb is representative of Accrington - indeed, Hyndburn - as a whole. By all means let's make every effort to keep our long-term supporters within the fold - it's a tragedy whenever we lose one. But we must be ever watchful and totally aware of what the great majority of the local population is thinking. We need to try to see things from their point of view, rather than from that of the Stanley diehards. As I've said many times (and I make no apology for repeating), the general public will come to Livingstone Road for a Stanley match when they are attracted by something in particular, e.g. it's a nice day, or it's a Cup Match. They emphatically will NOT come back soon if the facilities have fallen below their expectations . . . regardless of whether it was a Stanley victory. Conference Football in East Lancashire is populated by too many football enthusiasts and not enough pragmatists. |
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the staveros is happy to let you know that he has checked his hectic schedule and is going to grace the ies with his presence against 'creepy' crawley town on the 17th.
the staveros is nice enough to do this without a big signing and without a roof on the clayton end terrace. your enthusiasm has convinced the staveros that another chance would be in order. a generous man indeed. this is your chance to get the staveros back on the hook so be sure to have plenty of cold draught budweiser awaiting and some speedy service. most importantly though you need to let the players know that they are going to be blessed with my audience and that they should put on a performance fit for a king. |
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i will point you out to everyone.. you will of course be in the posh bit and not with us plebs.....
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This is not a good start.
Those lagers you mention do not compare with the 'king of beers' and the staveros does insist on a pint of draught. This is a serious setback before I have even arrived. Maybe you could organise a barrel of Bud especially for me? 11 gallons should quench the thirst. I wont tell the brewery if you dont. |
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Man Utd and Everton and probably others have done simmaler with the Japanese market.... just by signing a player they make millions in shirt sales over there.... On a smaller scale your right Simon.. that would attract them in...
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Not actually my first time, I've already been twice this season to the Crown ground to watch Gt Harwood which is why I was there on Tuesday night, to support Harwood (which obviously didn't do them any good). Previously also visited back in the day when Accy weren't quite as good as they are now and use to play in the same divisions as Lancaster City. |
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Nobody had posted to this thread for over 24hrs... then you resurect it to suggest it stops..... Can't say I follow your logic TBH
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Just so you know K-Pax and the crew, I was keeping in touch with the Stanerlee boys progress from Goodison today on the moby.
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