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Ground improvements meeting tonight
Right second go at starting this...last one floating in cyber space..:mad:
Went to above meeting in sports bar to have a nosey at what the plans were for improvements to the ground. This included all the things already mentioned, police control room, spectator first aid room. But it also included alot about how the segregation will work too... anyway I could bore you to death so best if I just see if I can recall info if you have any questions. One thing I do know you are wanting to hear about is..... WHERE'S THE ROOF??? Well it's not going to be done in the immediate future thats for sure... but the club line (ROB) is that it is still a priority to the club!!!! The immediate future is doing the improvements to get the ground to league standard. This is down to the finances of the improvements that have to be done! I did say my piece (20 witnesses to it too) when it came to question time and put forward the viewpoint that not building the roof at this time could have more of detremental financial impact on the club than the concern of the costs of building it, especially with the amount of building work that has to be done at the Clayton end. And the impact of the segregation too! So rather than go on, if you want to ask anything I will try to answer if my memory will let me ;) or if I mess up I'ms sure a couple of others who were there will step in :p |
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So as a parent, next year I will have too choose whether to force my kids to be subject to whatever the elements will throw at us during the 2 hours on the terrace or sit in the boring(and you can bet more costly) option of the main stand.
Hereford to win every game, stanley to lose every game is my immediate thought...:( Selfish I Know.... |
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So we still look for jaunty hats for next season?;)
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So the person who pledged a grand to the club if the roof is up before easter this year will be getting thier money back then?
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I've had a look at the Official ASFC site and at the comments and justifications for the work now in progress or scheduled.
To me , it seems totally logical and well-thought-out in accordance with fundamental management technique for prioritisation. 1) What's both ESSENTIAL and URGENT ? 2) What's ESSENTIAL but NOT URGENT ? 3) What's URGENT but NOT ESSENTIAL ? 4) What's neither ESSENTIAL nor URGENT ? The Clayton End Roof would appear to fall into category 3 . Some good basic management skills being correctly applied by our Directors and their Chief Executive, I'd say. |
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There's the Whinney Hill side that is terraced and covered if you want the best of both. And yes, it is selfish. Thankfully the people who have sweated blood for the club over the years, and continue to do so, are a a lot less selfish than you. If they hadn't have been, then we'd be nowhere near where we are now. |
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Thanks for the info, HR. Did they give more details about what the bar facilities will consist of? Will it be some sort of building with chairs, tables etc or just a serving hatch?
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It is bad enough at the moment, but at least there is the opportunity to take shelter in the side stands if the weather does turn for the worse. With segregation, it appears that once we're in the Clayton or Coppice Ends we're stuff there no matter what how the weather changes. This wouldn't be such an issue if the Club hadn't spent the last three years reneging on their promises about their commitment to building the roof asap. :mad: Thanks for the report, HR. Was there any mention about the others issues we have raised in the past, i.e. poor toilet facilities, underfoot conditions outside the ground? Did the Club also say anything about ground-sharing next year? The occasional Burnley Reserves games at the IES is fine, but to also have all of Great Harwood's home games played there is having a detrimental effect on the pitch that is not at all helpful to how we like to play. |
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In a nutshell.. we are top of league so dont moan about facilities. Thats what your saying in a long winded way.
Me? I prefer football league and no facilities.. I will bring a flask and a brolley if I have to.... But I reserve the right to moan about no roof while I am doing it :) |
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Exactly Tony, the point isn't the fact that there is no roof!
I think the point is that like when you ask "are we nearly there yet!" The answer is always, "nearly". I'd be happy if they said "sorry we spent it on players wages & other more essential ground improvements. Money is not there at the mo, will let you know when it is" Its also not the die hards we need to worry about, we'll be there, its the floaters. Only 1900 at Rochdale last night & they have a roof! We need more on then that to grow & move on from League 2! A roof would be a big help. But if it can't happen then fine, but I think the mutterings are only there because we were starting work in May 03, Jun 04, Aug 05 etc etc |
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At last!! :) Nail on head there...
There was no roof when I started watching stanley and I didnt complain then.. |
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I agree it does seem a little churlish to whinge about the roof when we are on the verge of our greatest triumph. I personally will stand on the Clayton End in rain, snow, wind, tornadoes and more with a smile on my face, happy in the knowledge that we have achieved something I have been dreaming about (sometimes literally!) for the last 30-odd years. However, I desperately want our football league venture to be a success and for that we need more fans. Not everyone is like us die-hards - many casual spectators will simply not come if they know that they will have to brave the elements on the Clayton End, even more so now that they know they will not be able to move into the main stand or the Whinney Hill side if it does start raining midway through the match. The roof may be an expensive investment, but it is one that I believe will reap rich dividends both in terms of increased gates and improved atmosphere.
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Maybe it's simply reflecting the clubs ambitions,
Bar and first aid rooms, VIP boxes and Lounges, Roof on top. |
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Exactly Wynonie - that is why the roof should be considered an essential, urgent top prioriy for the start of next season, not a desirable option. How many directors would stand outside in the Accy winter weather? Any non-believers should be forced to endure what we have (choose) to just once in a while. I think priorities would soon change. It's the potential newcomers who will make or break our return to the FL.
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I think a roof would make the club visually more proffesional. Folk already see us as a "little" club done well-how patronising.
Lets give them that we're a club going places and show a real intent. I agree with willie miller (cheers jase) about getting punters and KEEPING them!!!! The roof would make the stanley experience more enjoyable. i'm sick of getting p***** wet. |
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With reguard to the 1st aid room just hope that they will put some heating in so that any 1 being treated can be kept warm
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I agree with almost everything that has been said. I would love to be under a roof, I would love to be able to hear the Ultras singing but it isn't going to happen just yet. Alright we have been promised a roof in the past but now the Club has come out and told us that we are not getting it at the moment. With the future segregation in place we may attract more casual supporters into the seated area, they won't miss the first ten minutes of the first half, the last ten minutes of the first half and the first ten minutes of the second half with people walking past them. If everybody feels so strong about the roof why not form a 'Raise the Roof' Committee to find out how much we need for the roof and maybe organise fund raising activites, have 'Roof Raising' bucket collections at matches, etc., anything to raise money for a roof.
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I've got the perfect solution to your roof problems.
Play all your games at our ground....NOTE: Full cover at BOTH ends and we'll transfer all the Rover Reserve games to yours. OK? Didn't think so! Seriously, it's bloody criminal that a club about to return to the league hasn't thought about the welfare of its younger and therefore fans of the future. Bet that a few corporate deals are of more concern! |
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I am led to believe by financial peers that for something to be a success in business it needs to viable, necessary and profitable.
The improvements to the corporate side were viable, necessary and have become profitable. Mr Morton states that the roof is URGENT BUT NOT ESSENTIAL. I beg to differ. I think that it is viable and we assume the money is there, it is necessary to appease existing fans and welcome and keep new fans, therefore making it profitable. As I mentioned in an earlier post it would pay for itself anyway within a rapid timescale so even if it has to be ripped down at some future point it won't have been a waste of time. Jeff posted "Are we all getting soft or is there a core of new supporters who are not used to braving the elements." Yes Jeff, there is. And we are hoping for more. And we would like to keep them please. The club is top of the league, winning regularly and playing attractive football. We are playing League football next year. Does this deny us the opportunity to express our distaste for the lack of certain things? Are you only allowed to have opinion when things are going bad on the field, because when we are winning we are told by certain members of this forum that we are top of the league, what more do you want? I'm one of the few fans that has braved the elements at crap holes such as Bootle, Frickley, Nelson, Winsford etc and I'll still be watching Stanley if we ever go back to them days. Unfortunatley the club cannot bank on too many fans remaining loyal if they continually ignore our wishes. I dont care which level of football we are playing next year, but I'd like to be behind the goal and under a roof. I would also, like Willie Miller, like a statement from the club that is not full of spin and carefully worded phrases, as to what the estimated schedule of works is in relation to this roof. Few things stir up the ire at the IES, the roof is one of them, they shouldn't push it. |
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I am lead to belive that there will not be a roof on 1st aid room as it will situated under the police control tower so the floor of the tower will be our roof lol
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Didn't Ilyas Khan donate some money to go toward, if not pay outright for, the Clayton End roof ? The condition being that it be called the Sophia Khan stand for three years after completion. If this is so, what's happened to this dosh ?
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ok, few answers to some questions. The police control tower is to be situated over the coppice end toilets. The first aid room is where the kit room is now and is currently being boarded out for the purpose, will have 2 beds and toilet facilities.
There will be toilet facilities on all sides of the grounds along with the new turnstiles. the bar facilities behind the coppice and clayton end in the interim may only be of a porta cabin level but I'm sure there are some nice portable bars out there!! No mention of ground sharing next year and they are hoping to make improvements to the outside of the ground. CCTV company chosen who are now in discussion with the police about citing of cameras. Parking issues around the ground being looked into including a meeting with local residents at the end of the month and discussions with accy cricket club maybe providing parking for away fans/coaches etc.. Sparkie also suggested looking into some waste land on ribblesdale ave and Rob said he will speak to the council about this. The Ilyas Khan money was donated to sponsor (name the stand) not to pay for the roof!! Think I covered a few more things there :) |
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"Accrington Stanley are delighted to announce a naming rights deal for the Clayton End covered terracing. For three years after it is completed the covered terracing will be known as The Sophia Khan Stand,....."
It would appear that the money from Ilyas Khan was in fact to name the COVEREDTerracing after his mother, and not the existing open end. |
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I wasn't to bothered about having a roof..It would be nice but i didn't think it would be essential until york away for acoustic purposes...It was amazing, i know there wasn't that many of them singing but imagine what we would sound like, it would be absolutely electric...:)
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Words like "viable" are, though, indicators of a long-term (or at least medium-term approach) , which is an option unavailable to ASFC at this time. I've often said (and been given lots of criticism for my trouble) that the Clayton End Roof, the elimination of that awful mud , the improvements in toilet facilities have always been key factors in the success of our Club. But you've got to remember that management is a dynamic ; one day you realise that a particular problem needs to be dealt with immediately , but in the afternoon another event impacts upon your earlier decision. It doesn't mean that your earlier decision was wrong (unless you work for Hearts, of course) , it just means that you have to accept the change which has taken place and to re-plan accordingly. That's where I believe that ASFC are at the moment making the correct decisions, however unpalatable they may be. You may not remember that I sold many hundreds of poundsworth of tickets to raise that Clayton Roof . In my capacity in the Supporters' Club I helped to make a £1,200 donation to ASFC as result of the fantastically hard-working Members . . . for the toilets in the Clayton End development. You and we have ALL invested so much of ourselves into this wonderful football club called Accrington Stanley. It will be right soon , and when it is . . . you'll forget there was ever a problem. |
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Duplicated post due to clumsy old fingers. Sorry :)
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As a long-range non-attending supporter I haven't got a vote on this - but every time I read a message about the roof I remember sitting with my Dad in the "new stand" at Peel Park watching an FA Cup replay against Preston (L 0-4), not too long before we went bust for reasons not entirely unconnected with the cost of buying the thing.
But lightening couldn't strike twice, could it ? PS - it's a long time since I was a "Junior Member" of anything ;) :rose8: Play Up Stanley - Stanley Play Up :rose8: |
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