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I hope Alty appeal and stay in the conference where they have proved they are good enough to play.. They do have some morons for fans... But the club and the staff I have met there on my many visits are OK and I feel for them right now and there good fans...

Its not our fault as some are trying to blame us... clutching at straws I guess...

Good luck Alty .. Let football say who goes up or down.. not red tape...

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seconded :)

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thirded !...

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Petetion now up and running at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ab1bc234/

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Signed....

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I'm in full agreement with the post author. Petition sighed. Good luck.

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What an absolute farce! We spend all season watching football then the relegation issues are settled by a boardroom or financial issues


The games a game for god's sake!

Petition Signed

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signed - Ithink as a matter of principle Alty should resign from all Conference competition. Nose spite face time maybe. But it would strike a blow to the numpties in Ivory Towers that clubs will not put up with their ineptitude.

Clubs have enough practise registering players and surely at some point the League would have given their go-ahead that he was able to play. By my reckoning that means that they had not checked their records and discovered that he was not registered to play in this country. Their mistake and they should award Alty the points.

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a disgraceful decision.
Forest Green and Southport have reps on the Conference management committee and although they didnt take part in this decision it stinks.
If Canvey resign it will complete the farce.

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Also signed - the penalty is an outrage,out of all proportion to the offence committed !

Promotion and relegation should be decided on the field of play, and I agree with everything that has been said so far on this thread.

:engsmil: STANLEY ARE BACK !!! :not_ripe: :not_ripe: :not_ripe: LOOK OUT LEAGUE DIV TWO !!! :engsmil:

CONFERENCE LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005/2006

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signed in absolute astonishment what a load of ******* the conference board can be.

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I have signed it too;but we aren't exactly flavour of the month on there are we???:(

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Duly signed - agree with everything above except idea of resigning on principle - that's never worth doing

:rose8: Play Up Stanley - Stanley Play Up :rose8:
......................Play On Alty - Alty Play On

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signed and got a few other to as well

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I have signed it, it's an absolute sham :mad:

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Duly signed

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Have you asked Rod Taylor how he viewed proceedings, as he is a board member?

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This is totally crazy. Anyone who loves proper football should follow Kipax's link and sign the petition. It's already got more signatures than an average Conference gate.

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Been fuming since I heard the news, have just signed petition, although I have little faith in such things.

However, I believe that we'll have some Conference Officials there on Saturday. Let's make sure they know our feelings, and show some strong support for Altrincham.

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come on folks sign the petition .
its not fair or just the majority of our lads have signed it ,moules out .
we in no way blame accy or expect you to suffer any points loss or fine,youve won the league by a mile and should in NO WAY be punished ,neither should Alty.

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Duly signed - agree with you Tracker - Conference board should resign for this travesty of justice - also how about the club suing player for potential loss of earnings etc etc

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I've been following football in England for the last four years or so and it seems that every time I get to thinking I have a good grasp on things something like this pops up and confuses me to no end.

I agree the penalty to Alty seems harsh but I don't really understand the transgression that was committed and which party is truly at fault.

Could someone explain why this player needed international clearance to play in the Conference? I've done a bit of searching to find out his background with no success but I thought I read somewhere that he's English. If this is the case, why would he require international clearance to play for a team in England?

I'm assuming the FA and/or the Conference had to sign off on his transfer from Stanley to Alty so it seems odd that none of the four parties were aware of the situation during that process. Should this have been caught by our staff or is the player responsible for this information?

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sign it now please alty are buggered unless enough folks make a stand ,come on accy folks do the right thing HEREFORD have .

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If Canvey withdraw, and i read somewhere that Scarboro are in administration and have been for a while, and if they dont come out of administration they will get relegated according to conference rules. I might be wrong. Good luck Alty, hope you manage to stay up and common sense prevails!

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Signed, sealed, delivered

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Initially I was as sympathetic towards Alty as nearly everybody else.

However, I've now been reliably informed that the Conf Board had no option under the leagues own rules but to penalise Alty as they have done.

Rules are rules and cannot be broken no matter what.

It is to your own good fortune that the player did not play for you in the Conf. which could easily have happened.

Enjoy the party....here's hoping that we meet next season in the league.

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did notice a few blaming us for not being fined for this 'jamie robinson' fiasco

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The latest information, and whole sorry saga is best read on Alty's own board: http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/alty1.htm

Unlike Christie's Child, I am still more than sympathetic towards Alty.

Let's show some vocal support this afternoon, while members of the Conf board are there. It wouldn't hurt to do a few Alty chants in the quieter moments.

Why is Christie's Child always so reliably informed?
Pompous twerp (children watching).

Also as a totally childish aside, Grays are looking good for League 2.

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ant chants will do it was like a morgue last saturday till we scored no sympathy from me do you think we would get any no wayyyyyyyyy you have to follow the rules


youll never be bigger than the club no matter how hard you try

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I have just had a look through the new thread replys on the board, why is it your your such a moaning negative Tw*$?

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Could they do this??
Surely they will have Cherie Blair looking into the 'Human Rights' issues??


But, seriously, I'm with 99% of contributors to this post... IE, not all Alty's fault, surely, someone at Top Level should have spotted the problem before it came to this??

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Things playing up again.

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A very informative letter in today's NLP from John Sheppard , Secretary of Oxford City.

He points out that ". . . when a player registers with a club, at least at Level 4 of the Pyramid, the registration form asks the questions :-Item 6 (i) on the form, has the player ever played outside England ? (ii) If yes, has the player obtained clearance from the Football Association ?

Clearly the responsibility is with clubs to ensure that this has been established, should he have played outside England.

If needs be, a request to the FA, who would contact the respective FA in the country in which he had played. This also applies to Wales, Scotland and Ireland."

Clearly [Henry Morton continues], though , the definition of "Registering with a club" is to do with the First Team Proper of that club , otherwise no Reserves Leagues in the Pyramid could even function .

Reserves Leagues have long functioned as an opportunity for new young players to gain an idea of what football is about at a level beyond their school or pub-league experience . They have been , and should remain , an arena for experimentation , trials , fitness-testing and evaluation of every kind.
They emphatically are not a "Subs Side" , nor should they be considered as such.

ASFC is , therefore , totally innocent in the James Robinson affair.

Nevertheless, our thoughts and hopes must be with everyone at Altrincham . Let's hope that common sense (if it still exists) will prevail in this very unfortunate business .

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Well todays the day of the appeal.... First off I want to say that I have lost a lot of sympathy for Alty over this... All they seem intent on doing is blaming Accy for getting the player from us..or FGR for grassing them or somehting or the tooth fairy for not standing up for them .. or anyone they can think of.. it would seem anyone and everyone is to blame accept them and all this finger pointing and not having the balls to stand up and be counted has made me have little or no sympathy for them.

HOWEVER and please dont quote the above on its owm :(

I do stand by what I said when I heard the news and at the start of the thread... I think football should decide who goes up or down not red tape.... if a bloke has made an error then fine him 20 quid and give him a rollocking for making the mistake... dont punish the whole club, all there fans , players and the whole town... I hope common sense prevails... if you want to deduct points then deduct some but not enough to relegate them.... whatever punishment is handed out it shouldnt relegate or be such a big fine that it criples them.....

They didn't finish in the relegation zone so they shouldn't be relegated... Simple as.....

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I hope that the appeal sticks, nothing against Alty, its just that the FA need to have the balls to stick to the letter of the law, and not back down, because if they do, everytime this happens, the league will once again decend into choas
*waits for his list of bad karma* :p

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Don't worry about the bad karma Dan !

I got it for expressing a positive opinion about Hereford (was called "a freak") and even for spelling Dany's name incorrectly (as Danny) when the two ladies in question did their sponsored cycle ride from Accrington to Kidderminster !

All of it makes me laugh at my age - it is like water off a duck's back !!! :D

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I'm with kipax on this one.

I hope the FA do the right thing and reduce alty's points reduction so that they stay in the conference. However I disagree with alty that every man and his flat cap, wippet and anything else he can lay his hands on are apparently to blame in this, but it has nothing at all to do with alty!!! The form states 'has the player played abroad?' not was it his last club but has he ever played abroad. Simple enough. The fact that he had a trial with us is a mute point as he never signed a contract or registration form.

I do not wish what alty are going through on anyone, and I think the original points deduction was a joke, I understand how that total of points comes about, but its a ridiculously high amount for a relatively minor offence. Alty have done really well this season to finish where they did, and they deserve to stay up on that basis, not be relegated on a technicality.

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To me thats not a punishment at all, give em a 12 point deduction from the start of next seasons points, that at least would make it intresting.

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I agree with you on and Kipax on this Sparkie - that original penalty was a joke and out of all proportion to the gravity of the offence IMHO.

Altrincham are not one of my favourite clubs, but they did not deserve to be treated so harshly. I know Dan says that rules are rules, but on this one, I think it is a case, not of the rule being wrong, but the penalty applied to it being wrong.

None of us should give Dan a hard time about this (and you did not Sparkie) - opinion is one of the things that makes the world go round :)

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If Stanley had finished 15 points behid Alty and were being relegated would we still be saying that the punishment was too harsh ? I don't think so. We would have been saying that Alty had won 18 points by playing an illegible player and so should have the points deducted. Alty won those points illegally and so are not entitled to keep them.
Alty have only done really well this season to finish where they did because they played an illegible player - they finished where they were by breaking the rules. They do not deserve to stay up on that basis because they did it illegally. They gained the points illegally so they deserve to lose them, if that relegates them then that is unfortunate. If the points deduction did not put them in a relegation position I don't think that anybody would be complaining.

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I would hope that Stanley would NEVER finish 15 points behind Alty !!!! :eek:

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We will never see Alty again, so i wouldnt worry too much pal

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Apparently the decision has been upheld by the FA and Alty are to be deducted the full 18 points.

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points deduction upheld.

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Too late!!! ;)

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From the fishy Alty website
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/alty1.htm

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Why the £1000 fine tho?

If the relegation wasnt enough

The FA will do anything to get money out of Clubs

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nearly let this go but it does need to be clarified, altrincham didn't sign him from us at all. he played a couple of games for our reserves for which we were fined but was never registered for our first team and so in fact was never accrington stanley's player to sign from us. we were as much in the dark about him requiring international clearance as altrincham, as when we took him on he had been training with another english side. had he signed for our first team we would have done a detailed check as we do with every player that joins us. having said this, we do understand that altrincham are upset and we have every sympathy for them.

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Good.,. thats what I thought.. but have held back without clarification... they didnt sign him from us then...

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I have every sympathy with Altrincham as it seems the FA have been determined to make an example of them as they did with Northwich last season but I can't believe they are still blaming us for what was their error, essentially if they'd done the necessary checks and the player himself had been honest with them this would never have happened.

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I think Grays' chairman deserves a special mention. According to Alty's site, he coughed up for a top London barrister to represent them. It's just sad that the appeal failed.

The relegation position still isn't clear and, according to the BBC, there's still a faint chance of a reprieve for Altrincham if Scarborough cannot satisfy the Conference of their financial position by the end of the month. There's more on http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...gh/4992952.stm and a paragraph on http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...am/5009584.stm.

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If they were going to enforce the rules, and do what they said they would do, then they had to stick to it, otherwise every time a wrong decision was made the league would decend into choas

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tried to get on to add my name to petition,but it is now closed,hopefully the league committee will see sense and reverse their decision, all the best to alty for next season.:engsmil:

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they cant.

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Shame that...

Congrats to Northwich Vics by the way on gaining promotion back into the Conference National at the first time of asking.. Correct me if Im wrong but I dont think its been said yet.

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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changed my opinion on this i think they will come straight back up

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No one gives a toss for your opinion anymore.

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touchy touchy

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But true !!!

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Alty's website yesterday:

The Bodleian Library, Oxford, has today published a reprint of the first Football Association Rule Book from 1863. It costs just £5.99.

Bobby Charlton says in the preface that the Rules "do not simply make it possible to play football, they embody the spirit of the game".

Seems like something changed between 1863 and 23 May 2006.

Good luck to them next season.

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Didn't know Bobby Charlton was that old. :) (smiley in case you think I'm serious)

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Saw him score a cracker once when I was on the Kop, 4-0 or 4-1, can't quite remember, was a long time ago.

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Its an absolutely disgusting state of affairs this, a total injustice. I signed their petition and made mention of the fact that a player named Esteban Fuertes scored against my team, Everton, in 99 I think it was, whilst playing for Derby County in the Premier League. It was his only goal for the club and was the winning goal in the match. It was later discovered that he was in the country using forged documents and was in fact an illegal immigrant. The F.A took NO ACTION WHATSOEVER! How can you legally register a player who isn't even legally allowed in the country? As far as I am concerned that lack of action sets some kind of precedent and what the have done to Alty stinks the place out.

If this were a Premiership club it would be recieveing widespread national media coverage and it would never have happened. Typical of the FA, one rule for the big boys and another for the rest. this is 'ad-hoc' (in)justice and it shouldn't be allowed.

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Welcome back Staveros, but I thought you'd given up on Everton, and Moyes in particular, and were now proper Stanley?

Tend to agree with you on the Alty point, but it's dead and buried, I'm afraid. Although the FA seem to have realised some sort of footballer's passport could ease admin in future. Whether they'll act or not, who knows.

[Just been to Crown Ground to puchase my first season ticket since 68/9 season, £4 guineas for Gwladys St. end, I'm still standing, BTW]

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Not dead and buried for alty fc by the look of it.. this is the latest offering on there official web site

But they did NOT sign him from us...

Alty can't get there heads around the fact that they did do wrong... We all agree the punishment was ludicrous.. it should never have happened and they certainly shouldnt be relegated for it... but even the club are now blaming us. The fans have always blamed us and fgr and the conference and now the fa.. in fact alty fans are posting hate messages against the england team wanting them to fail because the fa run it....

alty fans.. you did not sign the player from accy.... your to blame not everyone else.... yes the punishment was so so wrong.. but stop looking for scapegoats... ya messed up...

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Kipax - I twice tried to post Rob's definitive comment on this matter on the BBC's 606 forum as a reply to the lies and calumny which constantly appear on the relevant Alty thread. But I must be doing something wrong as it disappeared into cyberspace both times. How about you (technical expert and all that) putting the record straight for them on 606 and elsewhere?

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Alty are staying up and scarborough are down

Scarborough didnt prove that they were stable when they came out of administration.

Scarborough will be deducted 10 points next season and alty will stay in the conference.

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Considerable sympathies to Scarborough, who must be distraught.

On the other hand, fair play to Altrincham who (until this change of heart) were the victims of a draconian punishment.

Not many winners in this sorry story, I'd say.