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Don't forget everyone, meeting at 7 pm this evening. All welcome. Join on the night.

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Will you be renewing memberships tonight? :)

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Don't see why not Doug, but i don't know if we have the new badges in yet.

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Will the minutes from the meeting be posted on the Supporters' Club site for those of us who can't get there?

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I will see what I can do,but at the moment we don't have a secure page to publish them on.

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OK, Ossyclogger, thanks.

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Really?

You telling us porkies mr clogger? :)

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No I am not, and I resent being spoken to like that by snotty nosed youngsters

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hahahahaha but yet you called the clayton end childish and said willie miller is talking out of his rear orrifice....double standards here me thinks :rolleyes:

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Talk to one and they all come out of the woodwork.

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I'm not starting anything, I'm just stating my opinion, as is my right on the forum......... :)

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So what's the score on this? Can the minutes for the meeting be put on the website or not?

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They can.. but the supporters club want them in a secure area where only members can read them... seems all you non meber plebs arn't allowed to read what goes on..

So A) the facilities are there to update the website simple and easy (which beggers the question why hasnt it?) but B) not securely so only members can read it.

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I would really really like to get involved but Len, comments like that do not help the OSC cause

On the subject of minutes being shown online, you don't have to repeat parrot fashion just give supporters an idea of what is discussed. Simple, we done it on the Ultras site ie Fanzine will be produced, wall will be painted, red & white fortnight all done & dusted!

However, everybody needs to pull in the right direction so although I won't be attending if any volunteers are needed for anything let me know. We can organise bodies at the drop of a hat

Have a good un

Jase

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What Stanley fans? JUst let us know how old you need to be to discuss OSC matters & I'm sure they'll wait 5 years or 15 maybe before commenting

:D

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I too would love to get invovlved more if I thought that the OSC had all our interests at heart. Alas, comments like snotty nosed kids, all coming out of the woodwork, and only members can view the minutes, are all indicative of an organisation that I wish to have no part of. All at the club are of the opinion that the OSC is on its arse and beyond redemption.

It could have been so good as well..........

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I'd personally like to get involved, but the idea of being frozen out just doesn't grab me, funnily enough

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Im with you on that Willie & Macca, im not reapplying for membership waste of £8 in my opinion & totally inconvienent for their meeting time means i cant go therefore dont find out nowt nor feel to get involved - plus the attitude by them on the boards & their responses to members & other possible members is a disgrace - which isnt what the club is supposed to be about!! Seems to be a theme going on with higher lot at stanley managers & chair having disrespectful pops & so it the OSC.

Credit where credit is due that the ultra's have worked tirelessly for the clubs behalf & make people feel welcome & valued for taking part, as i discovered doing the march, maybe the supporters club could learn something if it wishes to go about things proper, i think fans should be privvy to what is discussed at meets - why keep it behind closed doors for £8 or so?? ok we cant decide on things fair do's but its the hiding like its a secret club subject for the chosen ones is my opinion - not that it was heard last time i made my comments as a member!!

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The privilege of attending a meet should entite you to propose and second motions, and vote on what is right or wrong for the future of the OSC and its committment to ASFC, being a member of the club should entitle you to know what is going, what was said and by whom, being a Stanley fan should entitle you to know what is happening next week or the week after, how can you contribute, what the OSC does, what was its last noteworthy contribution to ASFC, what direction it thinks it is following........need I go on.

One question, do you have to be a paid up member in order to put funds in the coffers, attend do's, go t'jumble sales?

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:) why dont you make a jesture and offer to print the minutes etc in the ultras fanzine ,then nobody can complain. united we stand divided we fall:confused:

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they are more than welcome to as many column inches as they want. Rumour has it there is a page going in anyway ;) ;)

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Godknows Macca, apparently you have to be there to know whats going on otherwise you get told nowt even as a member - i got nowt other than a membership card & pin badge, most membership clubs i belong to have updates & newletters also postage voting & opinion forms so that even though you can be there you still feel a part of it all & put your 2 penneths worth in too. Not the case with the supporters club unfortunately.

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its a shame that as the Ultras we are unable to do fundraising due to the intentional no membership, no committee, no holding us back format.


something will have to be done methinks

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[quote=maccawozzagod]I too would love to get invovlved more if I thought that the OSC had all our interests at heart. Alas, comments like snotty nosed kids, all coming out of the woodwork, and only members can view the minutes, are all indicative of an organisation that I wish to have no part of. All at the club are of the opinion that the OSC is on its arse and beyond redemption.

It could have been so good as well..........[/quote]

Yes it could. Pity you and your mates didn't get involved enough.

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and I've just partially explained why. Was it not clear enough for you?

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The fact is Ossyclogger, you earlier dismissed another persons comments merely because he was younger than yourself. We have had an OSC member on here complaining that if they don't turn up to the meetings, they are left out of the loop. Why all the secrecy involving the OSC? And don't say there is none, because it is blindingly obvious. What about Supporter of the Year? I didn't get the chance to vote, purely because I hadn't handed some money over to the OSC. The Ultras organised a few trophies for, admittedly silly things, but at least anybody could vote. If I felt my voice would be heard, and could make a difference, then maybe I'd bother, but I am not convinced.

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On your 1st point. I never dismissed anyone's comments because of their age.
2nd point. I will say nothing. I will just bite my tongue on that one.
3rd point. Minutes will be published as and when the facilities on the site are updated. There is no secrecy, despite what you think.
4th point. Tell me any club that you can go to as non member, where you can have a vote on their decisions.
5th point. As the ultras are not a club, and don't require membership, of course you can vote.
Lastly. If you don't join, your voice will never be heard and you will never make a difference.

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How wrong you are on that point if you become an Ultra your voice will be heard and you can make a difference, so why join the OSC?

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Kipax, our resident Internet Expert, clearly states the facilities are there, just the OSC choose not to use them.

If thats not dismissing an opinion based on age, then clearly, I must've missed something.

On your 4th point, there was no problem with non-members voting for some of the awards before, but sudddenly, without warning, only OSC members were allowed to vote. The fan of the year was voted for without most people even knowing the voting had taken place. And that is not a dig at whoever won it (sorry to whoever did win it, I have completely forgotten who won the award, Mr.Morton if memory serves me right), as I am sure they have done more than their bit for the Club, but limiting the voting to just the people that have paid a membership is, quite frankly, not on. After all, it's Accrington Stanley Football CLUB. therefore, in my opinion, anybody that donates time, money or effort to the Club is entitled to their say.

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it wouldn't do any harm to mention on here what has gone on tonight. 1st item on the agenda was the christmas bash. Should we or shouldn't we? pie and peas? Anybody got any ideas for a fundraiser at this event?

Whether we are members or not, we are able to make suggestions on what can be done to aid the event. If you as a paid up member think this or that was a good idea then you can take it to your next meet and have your vote. We have then a) contributed, b) had a say, c) you have publicised your event before a date has even been set.

If people can see that work is being done then they may be persuaded to join in next month.

On a further point I haven't been a paid up member for two years as I can't see the direction the club is taking. Watching and listening to fans who I think are important people within the fan infrastructure walking away and not re-subscribing makes me realise that things are wrong. I would be a silent member of the OSC, as would my wife and two kids who have no interest in football, if the membership was a realistic price. Eight quid is ridiculous in all honesty. I would sooner have the membership at £2.50 and all you get is a piece of card with your name and number on it. It is a fundraiser only, folk aren't interested in what you get for your money. I personally dont want the badge, I wear a badge on my forty quid pink shirt.

£2.50 silver membership (members card only)
£5.00 Gold membership (updates and newsletter published bi-monthly and posted to your house at a cost of six ssecond class stamps and envelopes) or silver overseas membership
£10.00 Gold membership overseas


I'll have you 25 new members inside a fortnight at the silver rate

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The Stanley fans just want to be involved, ossyclogger. Not pushed aside.
We just want to know what is being decided & discussed within the OSC, afterall the OSC is a commitee acting on behalf of all the Stanley fans, right? Then hopefully if this is acheived the OSC will have new members who will attend meetings - granted that more is done to involve members.
NOTE ossyclogger - I am not being snotty nosed or slagging anyone off. I am merely putting forward some helpful criticism.

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Sorry Bagpuss, not a pop here, but the Stanley Ultras are not attempting to 'compete' with the OSC, as we are a completely different type of Supporters Club. In fact, we would like to co-exist with the OSC, and would like more people to help with the Club, be it helping the OSC or the SU. I was merely offering some constuctive critisism. I am seriously contemplating joining the OSC, if only to get my say. I'm not really convinced anybody would take much, if any, notice...but it's better than just taking a beack seat really.

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Originally Posted by ossyclogger
No I am not, and I resent being spoken to like that by snotty nosed youngsters


If thats not dismissing an opinion based on age, then clearly, I must've missed something.

If he wants to call me a liar, he deserves what he gets.


After all, it's Accrington Stanley Football CLUB

It is not Accrington Stanley Football CLUB. It is the SUPPORTERS club.

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Get a grip ossyclogger.

Macca, Diesel, myself and others have put forward positive suggestions for progress, and you as a representative for the OSC on this forum has dismissed them in favour of name-calling and childish behaviour.

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afterall the OSC is a commitee acting on behalf of all the Stanley fans, right?

Wrong. The OSC is not a commitee. It is a fan club which does have a commitee, but all members can come and have their say. In fact, if we could get more members to attend we could change more things.

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It now represents a mere what 5%......

It is so far removed from what ASFC supporters want its laughable. Sad but unfortunately true.

Me thinks Macca has a point & will be brain storming very soon

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I never said the Ultras where competing my point was that as an Ultra nobody feels if they have a point to make it will not be heard.

I'm a member of the OSC, only joined for the badge and to put some money back into the club, I knew I should have gone tonight if only to let people know what was talked about.

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Methinks the OSC has a very basic ethic wrong IMO.
Tell me if this is just my twisted logic but as people who pay on ASFC week in week out; we are all ASFC supporters.
Now to me, having the status of an Accy supporter should grant you a say in what goes on, whether you be present for the meetings or otherwise.
Donations can be made in form of memberships yes; but these are not necessary.
Last I checked the OSC are not a consortium funding the day to day running of Accrington Stanley (if it was it'd be a bloody poor state) and thus being a paid up member is NOT the be-all and end-all of all things, ossyclogger.

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I am not and never have been a representative of the OSC. I am just an ordinary member who wants to try and make changes. This is why I try to get more people to come to the meetings.
As for name calling, it was youwho called me a liar.

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antagonism is not the way.....:mad:

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One of the whole points of having an Unofficial Supporters Group was just the very idea of getting youngsters around a table to read minutes & have treasurers reports is "old hat"

Last time we had an Ultras meeting, twas in the Stag before training & most of the suggestions just got done. No voting, no -one shot down in flames, no hierarchy, etc etc

From that meeting came 2 games nights, Clayton End painted, 3 shop windows decorated, red & white fortnight & subsequently a march, unofficial away travel, fans football, a recruitment drive in town, edition 1 of the fanzine....

Its appears that Len is the only voice of the OSC online but both groups could do a hell of a lot. However, we don't seem to be asked or our ventures don't seem to be supported by the old brigade

Its definately NOT a case of us against them although it seems a long way off a merger. I believe there is room for both:D Go easy on Ossyclogger mind, we all ASFC after all

Ale Ale Accy

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serious question, serious answer please Ossyclogger.

What was the total number of members last year please (approx)?

How many so far this year?

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and furthermore I echo that abusing or insulting Ossyclogger is not necessary or constructive (goes both ways though). As, apparently, the oly member of the OSC who contributes to this board it can appear that we are ganging up and too many voices spoil the broth..............

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You announce dates of meetings & defend the OSC to the end. I would say you're a representative.

My comment was made in jest because the ideology behind your "Site ain't secure enough" comment is farcical in my opinion.
The "snotty-nosed youngsters" comments you made were nasty & uncalled for.

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I am not being antagonistic. I constantly invite you to come along. I would still vote you in as chairman, but you won't come , you just continue to slag us off.

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Please accept my apologies then, I have just misinterpretated your prior post :)

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NO ONE IS SLAGGING THE OSC OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bangh8:

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At the momentI think there are about 270 members. Of these 12 -15 attend meetings. WHY AM I FRUSTRATED ?

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If offering help, ideas, and bodies is slagging off then call me a slag.

The people who dont go, but want to have an input, majoritively dont go through either time/distance or dis-interest in the format of a club. The format can't change, it has to have a committee and has to be accountable. If our input is not valued from afar then we are being disrespected in my opinion.

Willie Miller has already underlined the efforts made by the Ultras this summer and hasn't even mentioned the purely ridiculous amounts of airtime or newsprint we have gained for the club on every North West based radio station and newspaper.

Imagine what we could do if we had access to funding

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Sorry mate, but you can't have it both ways.

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why dont the osc have an open invitation night invite everybody non members included and be open to suggestions ...how we could improve fundraising improve attendances etc work together we are all fighting for the same cause:)

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and give about 2 months notice so everybody can arrange to be there

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great idea, imo opinion both the osc and ultras have so much to offer just needs some co-operation and this could be the thing to start that off

Not in the name of stanley ultras or OSC just a open fans meeting for all accrington stanley fans to attend and then ideas can be put forward

with an action plan published for all to see who cant attend, both on here, oth websites and fanzine :D

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Good idea, the osc simply has to change the way it goes about things or it's just going to become obsolete which would be a shame. I attended practically every meeting for over three years but stopped going around about Christmas time last year for a number of reasons, one being that I felt I was wasting my time sitting through meetings only to be ignored unless there was food to be provided for an event. Don't get me wrong, I didn't mind making the butties or whatever except when it became the only thing I seemed to be there for.

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So what happened at the meeting then? Anyone?:)

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We probably won't get to know and to be honest I've got past caring - but one thing i'm sure of, there wasn't anyone there to make the butties:p

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I only came on to read a bit of banter about the roo, and ran into this lot ….

As a self-confessed bandwagon-jumper I thought I probably ought to join the OSC this season. So I’m trying hard to make sense of all this stuff but can’t see past various entrenched positions. It should all be so simple ….

People join a club and pay a membership fee in order to get something out of it. A football supporters club offers its members as a minimum a sense of belonging. It might also offer tangible benefits, like arranging coaches to away matches. These might be “members only” trips, or they might take non-members too, but at a higher price. Or it might help the club it supports in practical ways, like by painting the terraces in the close season. On the other hand, it might want to do nothing more than meet occasionally for a beer ... fair enough, if that's all the members want.

A club whose members pay a membership fee has no responsibility to tell non-members anything about its activities. You would expect it to, though, if it wanted membership to grow. But it seems entirely reasonable to me that minutes of meetings, details of election of officers, membership lists, info about its finances etc, would be “members only” and therefore might be password protected on a open website which could otherwise be accessed by anyone.

Judging from its website, and Ossyclogger’s contributions to this and earlier threads, the OSC does seem to want to grow and encourages people to join. The line “if you want to change things, you’ve got to join and get involved” is obviously right for a members’ club. The thing that seems wrong to me (from reading the threads) is the business about members not being told what goes on at meetings if they don’t attend. Living 300 miles away, I am not going to drive up to Accy for an hour and a half’s meeting on a Tuesday evening, even though the beer’s better. But as a paying member I would expect to be able to find out what was discussed and decided.

The Ultras, as far as I can tell, do all the things a club do except formalise membership and charge a membership fee. Because they don’t do that, no-one has any particular rights or responsibilities other than those they impose upon themselves, which obviously suits their situation.

I suspect there is much more crossover between the OSC and the Ultras than appears on the board. I like the “Maccawazzagod for OSC Chairman” and “Ossyclogger is an Ultra” signatures and think if both come true we might perhaps all go along happily together (and membership of the OSC would increase).

C’mon guys and gals, give peace a chance !

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There's a lot of sense in that post Chimer.

Ossycloger, declare yourself an Ultra in your signature and I'll be at that meeting with my eight pound begrudgingly leaving my sweaty palm

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So Ossyclogger does your signature show what you feel about the Ultras or the OSC members who do not attend the meetings.

"Hear now this, foolish people, and without understanding; who have eyes, and don't see; who have ears, and don't hear"

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As we can't post the minutes on the OSC site at the moment, I will take it upon myself to give you a brief resume of last night's proceedings.

We discussed the new seasons badges and decided to order them. They will contain a reference to us being back in the league.

It was finally unanimously decided that we would sponsor the Accrington Stanley Ladies team shorts.


Two ammendments were made to the constitution in line with a request from
the lottery board to further our application for the Stanley Exhibition grant.

We also discussed a target for our next fundraising project,and it was decided to ask the club if they had any sugestions with the proviso that it must be for the benefit of the supporters.

It was good to have 3 old allies back at the meeting. A few more and we can certainly start to get some changes made.

It was also suggested that Maccawozagod should be forced to join the club and be voted in as chairman at the AGM in October. This was very well received, especially by the incumbent chairman. :) :)

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Spot on Ossyclogger,, thats the spirit! Good ideas to work with whether everybody agrees or not is their problem now for not being there. I personally do not give two tosses for badges and would have voted against them, would it have affected the outcome?

Now then, about that signature of yours............

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double post sorry

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I'd like to ask a serious question.

Why is the OSC sponsoring AS Ladies? If they have no official connection with ASFC, then why is supporters' club money being given to them?

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The name gives it away somewhat. The fact that E.W. is their chairman helps, and the fact that they are fundraising for the club clinches it for me.

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No the vote was unanimous, and the sig was already changed.:)

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looks like I'd better keep a monday free in my diary next month

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See you next month. Can we have an outbreak of peace now ?

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Does it? There's been an Accrington Stanley Ladies for years, but they've never been officially connected to ASFC.

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Its been fun though aint it?


And the most postin gin two days I've ever seen on here other than the title win.


Seriously, its all been necessary IMHO, and its got loads of good ideas out in the open both here and on the Ultras board (I'll PM you the latest idea if you like).

Anything that opens the channels of dialogue can only improve the performance of the 'active fan'

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I for one am glad to see that both sides are talking and now looks like they will get their heads together and lets hope it is all good for the club and fans

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I think that you will find that for the last few years that it has been the Accrington Ladies. Nothing to do with Stanley. This is a completely new team just started up by Sparkie and friends.

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word get's around...

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...r_01/peace.jpg

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So is this new version officially linked to ASFC? I had a look on their website and there is no mention of Eric as chairman.

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Great stuff ! Top-drawer, as we used to say (well, some of us still do, actually)

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Does it? There's been an Accrington Stanley Ladies for years, but they've never been officially connected to ASFC.

The team you are thinking of is Accrington girls & ladies fc which are nothing whatsoever to do with Stanley and never will be.

So is this new version officially linked to ASFC? I had a look on their website and there is no mention of Eric as chairman.

the new Accrington Stanley Ladies FC is connected with Stanley, I am their Shirt sponsor, they will be wearing the exact same strip as the mens first team, it is mainly being run by Karen Faz, Sparkie, and will have help from Stanleys coaches.

Hope this clears things for you mr. Tin.

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So the answer is, officially, this team has nothing to do with ASFC.

Thanks for making that clear.

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But unofficially, quite alot to do with ASFC.

Thanks for making that clear.

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Officially Accrington Stanley Ladies is part of ASFC.

Eric Whalley is our chairman, Phil Hackney (stanley Youth team manager) is Director of Football, Martin Payne who coaches for ASFC and plays for the reserves is our First Team coach. Vicki Gilmartin is our Treasurer. Karen Fazackerly is Assistant Manager and I am Manager. We have the full backing of the football club and are officially part of the football club.

However monetarily we are a separate entity, we do NOT take money out of ASFC. We raise our own funds and any profit we make through extra fundraising will go back into ASFC.

Clear enough for you T.M?

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Hmmmm. You all seem very defensive. Something to hide?

Having the same people involved doesn't make the two things mutual. You do realise that don't you?

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What's the matter T.M?
Don't want a few laaaydeeees associated with the club?
tut tut tut :):p

IMO it's a great thing that ASFC now have an official ladies team to coincide with the mens team. Shows we are on the way forward & not the grumpy old northerners that some seem to think!

As far as I can see, a team that the chairman of ASFC allows to share the sacred name IS an official part of the whole club.

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Good look anyway whether your offical or not!

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I was only asking a question and showing an interest. In the past the club has been 'keen' to distance itself from Ladies' football and I wanted to know how officially connected it was to the club now. However, I never received a straight forward answer and an ever increasing number of people seemed intent of clouding the issue further.

Wish I hadn't bothered to show an interest now.

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Untwist your knicks TM! :rolleyes:

No one is arguing with you or clouding the issue, what reason would there be to do so?

Ladies football is still a very grey area in the beautiful game, so it is understandable that those involved may seem a little defensive of the subject; especially when there's posts like this which could be perceived as being attacking:

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