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I thought that stanley were very unlucky not to come away with at least 1 point. It was abit harsh by coleman. Where did he say that

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that was quoted in the sunday mirror, he comes accross as an absolute idiot in interviews, he should just say nothing, if all he has got is criticism

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He is the manager. Part of his job is to talk to the press. He says what he feels. he probably hasn't got time to come on here first and OK them with you.

Why don't you practice what you preach and say nothing if all you have is critisism? or does it only Apply to John Coleman?

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If it was constructive criticism, fine. However saying after the match to local press that he could've gone on the pitch and done a better job, and that four of our players carried the other seven is totally unfair and frankly, wrong.

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We had 58% of the posession, Walsall had three attempts on target, we had eight attempts on target. Losing was not unlucky. We should have made our posession count, we shouldn't have defended badly to conced two out of three attempts, and we should have scored more than one with eight on target. Instead of unlucky I would say bad defending and bad finishing. I agree with Mr. Coleman.

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Yup i agree with you Jeff, the finishing was poor at one stage the ball was pratically at the net 3 times on the trot & still wasn't put in, we got all panicy which make our defence but importantly our attack very shakey & reaction ball kicks were played rather than passing which ball was given away too easily & too many high balls at times which too many heads for one ball rather than targeting key headers to knock it into goal or play. We can pass the ball surperbly as proven in previous games & was missed a little during last game. I think as much as Coley had honest critism to the press lets hope he puts that into correctness on the training ground:)

We can do it & deserve to be in lines of top table maybe the beleif wasn't there against wallsall:rolleyes:

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Jeff, absolutley spot on! We should have won the game....

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Coley's post match comments are on the BBC Radio Lancashire site here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/cont...ive_0607.shtml

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I've got no problem with Coley blasting the players whether we think it is right or not. He knows how to get the best out of his players and we should stay out of it.

But I do think he could stay away from ridicule " i know Walsall weren't better than us, and I know they aren't better than us" So we are a better team than Walsall? Tables don't lie and Walsall don't conced silly soft goals all the time. Other clubs dont need a reason to have a go at us and I think that statements like that will encourage the trolls. Hey ho, time to batten down the hatches cos we are gonna start flak like we did in the Conference.



IMHO.

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I was at the same match as John Coleman and I agree with his post match comments to Radio Lancashire. The dream pairing of Welch and Edwards did not work as well as I expected (and only a week before on the Fans Panel I had been asking why they had not played together this season). Walsall bullied us in the second half and we conspired to give them two soft goals thanks to Liam and a goalkeeping error. All in all a draw would have been a disappointment with all the goalscoring opportunities Stanley had and its no good blaming Mullers. He worked is socks off and cannot be held responcible for the poor show. We need a striker and a roof!!.

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Just listened to Colemans interview. Biggest load of verbal diarrhoea that I have heard in a long time. He blames eveyone but himself, but he's the one that picks the team. He has a go at just about everyone around but nearly bursts into tears if anyone has a go at him. As some one said earlier he comes across as a big child. Every team is going to lose a game now and then, but you don't see many professional managers slagging their team off on radio and in the national press.

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I can't get the link to Coley's comments to work, but if it's as over the top as some say then I can only think that the boss is striking a macho pose in order to come over to the media as a perfectionist with exceptionally high standards. If that provides the motivation for the players, as it seems to have done in the past, then fair enough.Otherwise, he's just lost it and in danger of destroying the player's morale after what I thought to be a very creditable performance.
If it's a considered motivation strategy it must be almost unique among managers today. For example, I didn't hear Mark Hughes blasting his players after Bolton mugged them yesterday, after being outplayed by Rovers for most of the game.
But then overpaid so-called Premiership superstars enjoy kid glove treatment in comparison!

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We have the most successful manager in the UK. No other manager has improved his side for 7 seasons on the trot.

All you lot can do is attack him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

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So disagreeing with his comments is attacking his managerial abilities? :confused:
On that notion, no one should ever discuss their team's performance for fear of abandoning their support!

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No.

But all the following are in this thread. Please explain how this is disagreeing with him. I call it attacking him. What do you call it?

I don't see coleman insulting you for having your opinions. But look at some of the stuff posted in here. I disagree with coleman changing goalkeepers. But I don't insult the man for it.

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Please explain how believing that his comments were "totally unfair" is attacking him!
Granted, some of the comments in this thread are a little crass, however if Coleman is to make public statements like the ones he has then backlash like that should be expected from football fans.

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Walsall played poorly saturday there is no disputing that but we still came away with the points. Its called winning ugly , 15 teams have tried to beat us in this league only one has managed it we must be doing something right . Coleman is an idiot if you were a better side than us you would be top not us , still after reading Colemans idiotic ramblings Accrington are top of something - top of my list of teams i hope we stuff out of sight in the return at Bescot.:mad:

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why? it wasn't you he had a go at and I am sure the players are able to respond if they so wish. Why should he expect a backlash from the likes of you and others on a messageboard?

Doing what he does has got us into the football league and it looks like keeping us here. if this means upsetting a few players who it would seem have taken it on the chin then why does it need you and others to give him a public backlash

God help you if we are ever we find ourselves with a bad manager again :(

People like you who think John Coleman deserves a public backlash simply don't deserve him as manager of Accrington Stanley. Let him doe his work how he sees fit.

John Coleman deserves a public backlash - shakermaker 2006

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Dear 'rugely saddler77',the doctor that smacked your bum was clearly sick and misguided as well.You are, by nature of your post, a prime dickhead.

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I agree with Coley - it doesn't matter how well we played, we didn't make it count by putting the ball in the back of the net more than them, so our players didn't do their job properly.

Fair enough if you disagree with that, you've got a right to express your view here. That's what this forum is for. But some of the comments on here ("an absolute idiot", "a big child") are downright insulting and totally unwarranted.

As for airing his comments in public, Coley has his own way of motivating his players. Considering that he has taken us from Unibond One to the Football League in seven seasons on pitifully limited resources, he must be doing something right!

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so you dont think by saying i could of done better myself, they deserve no credit, and four players carried the team are childish comments?

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Not particularly, no. "I could have done better myself" is hyperbole, "they deserve no credit" and "four players carried the team" are simply observations about what he saw on the field.

If Coley was as immature as you maintain, I doubt that he could have led and motivated the squad to three promotions. However, please feel free to carry dishing out gratuitous insults against the most successful manager we have ever had. I'm sure you will find many like-minded souls amongst the Hereford fans next Saturday.

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I'm probably going to get slaughtered for this but here goes, in my opinion the club needed the win mainly to deflect the weight of feeling from the fans about the timing of Gary's departure. Coley needed to say 'there you are, we've done it without him'. That's why he was so angry but to slate the lads in public as he did was wrong especially when they had all played their backsides off. Ok, give em a rollicking if he feels it's necessary but keep it in the dressing room.

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I can see what you mean about Coley desperately wanting a win in the aftermath of Gary's departure. As for airing his comments in public, some managers do, some managers don't. Coley is a very, very passionate man and he says what he feels at the time, no matter what the circumstances. It's nothing new - he has done this many times before, right back to Unibond days and it's certainly done the trick up to now!

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Get a grip!!
We all know he is has done & will continue to do brilliantly as manager and are not calling for his name or anything like that.:rolleyes:
I am making the criticism that his comments were uncalled for, and that comments like that are not constructive, if at all correct.
He should expect the backlash from fans because he has been in the game long enough to recognise how the fans can differ on opinions of the manager, that's football, get over it.

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The beauty of football is that we all have opinions on how things should be done. We can all pick a better team or more suitable formation, we can all build a better stadium within the budgetary constraints that we have, we can all run a better commercial department and we all know how to make every fan in the ground sing their hearts out.

At the end of the day (bloody cliches) Coleman will not be the slightest bit bothered whether he gets a backlash or not, even off Eric. Eric is not and has never been bothered whether we say we want a roof or not. The commercial department is not bothered whether we think the range of merchandise is expansive enough. Coley does what he thinks is best for his team, Eric does what is best for Accrington Stanley, and Accrington Stanley does what it thinks is best to stay in business.

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that sounded almost poetic macca

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Why? Rugeley Saddler is spot on.

Away from home especially it doesn't matter how you play, it's all about scoring more goals than the opposition. We did that and won fairly and squarely.

Coleman's comments stink and are extremely bitter, have some people heard the interview that he gave on BBC Lancs?

He said it would have been a disaster to even draw against us, let alone lose. Why exactly? We have lost just once and kept 9 clean sheets this season, it doesn't happen by luck.

It comes from excellent defending and taking chances...whatever happens in between quite frankly doesn't matter.

You lost because your defending was poor and your goalkeeper was awful. That's down to the manager to sort out so to criticise our manager and our style of play is embarrassing. We are a footballing side, always have been, always will be....and you will certainly see that if you travel to Bescot.

Thank your manager when you next speak to him because he has made Dicky Dosh's team talk for the return fixture very easy. All he has to do is play this:

BBC - Lancashire - Sport - Accrington Stanley FC Interviews

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Well this one has stirred up a hornets nest aint it got to agree with maccawozzagod and wyonie on this one JC wears his heart on his sleeve as far as ASFC and its fans are concernd and i respect him for having the balls to say it out loud and not just behind the dressing room door this is why we pay the man.We should have taken all three points off wallsall on saturday it was there for the taking and we failed yes they were well oganised in defence but we had the chance to send them back down the M6 with nowt top of the league or not they were lucky but thats football.As for any wallsall fans on here thinking they will have an easy ride when we visit them think again cos STANLEY ARE BACK and we will not roll over and play dead:D :D :D :D

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You aint listening are ya? ;)

We haven't played particular well in one away game this season (apart from when we beat a full strength Plymouth side in the Carling Cup) but we keep coming away and not losing. That's not lucky, it's called grinding out results and what promotion teams are made of. We're fed up of hearing opposition fans complain they should have won. You only win if you score more goals than your opponents!

We're not expecting an easy ride at our place but our players will be that motivated after those comments they'll make sure he regrets them.

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He's right you know.
We did it for about 2 months last season, playing awfully but getting the results. That's all that matters at the end of the day.
Which is why our fans tend to feel agrieved at our results sometimes, when we play free flowing, exciting football & come away with a loss due to a couple of stupid goals. It's something that will be fixed with experience I think.

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I am not saying he is not right and i am not complaining whinging or moanig about the result you win some you lose some thats called sport but this thread is about JCs post match comments and if A Saddler thinks for one minute that they will make any difference when we visit them well thats his opinion to which he is entitled, we will see

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your whinging g!t of a manager Coleman is doing you no favours. Comments about how it would have been a disaster to draw against us and was beyond belief to lose to us, and that Accy are apparently so much better than us is just making him a laughing stock. We did not play that well on Saturday but on the other hand we did not have to. We scored, sat back, you equalised so we stepped up a gear and scored again. That pillock Coleman must have been at a different match. To be honest we were expecting a tough game but as it turned out we never had to get out of second gear. I do sympathise to an extent though. For the last couple of seasons we have had a moron gobsh!te manager who talked through his ar5e

I also fear for you if you cannot start getting more support. You have a good home record, you play the Lg leaders, neither Burnley or Blackburn were playing, we took 1300 (apparently) and you can still only muster a crowd of 3000!! If we only took 1300 I would like to know where on earth you could have fitted another 700 fans in that away end, we were like sardines as it is. Does the public of Accrington actually want a team in the league?

Oh and by the way your ground should be condemned.

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Well don,t come again oh sorry you might have to when your in league two next season cos you aint that good:Banane19: :Banane19:

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dont think i will have to mate cos with your support you are going back where you came from :Banane19: :Banane19: :Banane19:

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i don,t really give a monkeys wotsit about your opinion of JC or ASFC in general but if you have nothing constructive to say go and do it on you own walsall the unbeatable web site

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i agree i think we will be staying up which most of us would have been happy with at the beginning of the season weve got a solid foundation for a good team with a bit of tinkering and a new striker:)

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well thats very constructive!! I thought i made some very constructive points in my first post which you failed to respond to. I thought a football forum was for debate? Apparently only if you share the same views as you. I would be genuinely interested to know what you think about the crowd situation and whether the town actually deserves or wants a league team.

Accy had an enormous amount of goodwill from fans around the country after your long and difficult journey back. Idiotic comments like those of your manager and the attitude of many Accy posters on here when responding to points made by Saddlers and fans of other teams are likely to ensure that any goodwill is eroded pretty fast. Still I'm sure you know best. Had to give any of your best players away this week yet?

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Because Stanley have been out of the league for 44 years with a prmiership and championship team within 8 miles on either side townsfolk have naturally filtered towards the Claret or the Blue in search of the good life. Now is the new beginning of REARING REDS, for new youngsters of Accy and hyndburn to be chosing their home team as their first team. At the start of the season most people were like "Ooh can we stay up", clobber a few good teams and everyone`s outraged when we don`t beat the league leaders. These are the passions and emotions that run wild in such an up and down sport where yesterdays heroes are tomorrows zeros. Sorry If our ground`s not up to your standards but we`ve naturally got 44 yrs of catching up to do, and believe me Accy fans complain about it more than any of you ever will. Don`t get upset by the odd poster on here giving you a bit of stick, most of us got on really well with most of you, and certainly appriciate the following you brought. 2 Saddlers even became My Space friends today. Sounds like both teams let their fans down but you came away with the points, it`s up to us to show some improvement for Bescot.
Stop moaning about discrepencies in the attendance figures before you alert the taxman.:smokin:

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I'm not quite sure where you got your information about our away capacity being 2000, coz its utter bull sh1t!!!

Our capacity for the 2 sections you had on saturday comes to roughly 1400!!! 1000 behind the goal and 400 in the corner and cowshed.

On Coley though, we're all used to him doing things his way, coz lets face it he's a big bloke and not many would say anything to his face!!!

What gets me though is he does persist in making himself look a bit of a pratt in the press. I notice he's already trying to slyly backpeddle in the telegraph tonight, saying that he was hoping for back to back championships and it came as a major shock and disappointment to him on saturday that we didn't beat a Walsall that didn't perform as well as their league position suggests. (I am paraphrasing)

In some ways I'm with Coley, for instance he's right it was a game we could and probably should have won, but he just seems to go the wrong way about telling the press that. Instead of being grudgingly gracious in defeat, he goes around making silly flipant comments that get taken out of all preportion and we end up with a thread like this!!! He's done twice already this season, I just wish the guy would sit down take a few deep breaths and then talk to the press rather than making himself look a prize pillock!!!

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A couple of points here...

Attendances - the population of Accrington is 38,000. The population of Walsall is, I'm led to believe, 174,000. Our average attendance so far this season is 2,553. Yours is 5,151. Therefore, per head of population, we are actually BETTER supported than you.

Our stadium - seven seasons ago, we were playing in Unibond One which, if you weren't aware of it, is basically a glorified parks league. Since then, thanks in no small part to our "loudmouth" manager, we've risen faster than any other club in the UK. However, we don't have a rich backer and the meagre resources we do have all went into building up a winning team. So what would you have preferred us to do? (a) Win the conference, have the ground passed and then turn down promotion to the league because fans from clubs like Walsall might feel uncomfortable when they visit here or (b) Spend lots of money we don't have on new stands, then go bankrupt (sorry, we've already been there done that and got the T-shirt!).

We know the ground has its limitations and we hope to improve it but until then, you'll just have to put up with it!

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i'm sure that we were told that the ground could accommodate 2000 away fans, I assumed that meant in the away end, but i could not swear to that. In relation to your support i take your point that with 40 odd years out and so called big clubs in the area you have got a lkot of work to do. we also suffer from the so called bigger neighbours syndrome and as a result get pretty crap crowds. Attendances can only grow over a period of tiome with an attractive and successful team plus imaginative and consistent efforts by the club to attract new fans, something i don't think walsall are very good at. I did however expect there to be more of a buzz in Accrington that would have at least initially allowed you to attract more fans.

As for your ground there is no denying it is poor, I am surprised that it was passed fit for the league. Don't get me wrong I have been to plenty of
sh!tholes, including Fellows Park. I also do not like many of the sterile new grounds in the middle of nowhere and the location of Bescot leaves a lot to be desired. At least Accy is like an old away game, a few (very friendly) pubs near the ground, a few pints and a laugh with the locals. I would much rather visit Accy than Chester and a few other places in this league. I think you will have trouble attracting significantly more fans in this day and age however unless you can improve the facilities. And unless you can start getting more folk through the doors you will get into the vicious circle of having to get rid of any half decent player that you have and then the only way is down.

All in all i enjoyed the day. Apologies for some of my more sarcy comments in earlier posts, but Coleman p!ssed me off with his ridiculous comments. At least he has done Dicky Dosh's team talk for him for the return match. Anyway good luck and hope to see loads of you at Biscuit Stadium for the return :)

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When Stanley went bust in 1962 they lost everything, the ground included. Since then many teams have gone bust but have not lost their grounds, they have started up as a new Company and had a ground to play on. When Stanley started up again they leased the current ground from the Council. At the time it was basically a field with a bog in the corner growing bullrushes. Stanley have never had a generous benefactor and all the ground improvements have had to be done and paid for by money generated by the Club. Seven years ago Stanley were in Unibond Division One and relying on gates of around 200-300. A lot of work has gone into getting the ground up to the standard it is now. I know it is probably the worst ground in the league but it has been built with a lot of hard work and commitment. Quite a few clubs in the league have improved their grounds and then gone into administration so at the end of the day their improvements have cost them little. Try to imagine the work that has been done after starting with a field and no money and you will probably realise that it is a bloody good ground.

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At least we know the ground will never ever ever be as bad as Edgar Street!

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23 years ago when I started going it was literally a field with a perimeter fence, a wooden pavilion stand that seated about 80 people and a bar complete with leaking roof. We now play in a palace, albeit a draughty one

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Well said mate, look at this from Walsall fc
1990 - The Bescot Stadium is opened.
1992 - Jeff Bonser buys the club, which again was minutes away from entering receivership. Players were told to find new clubs, and staff were told to clear their desks before Bonser's last minute save.

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I look forward to hearing John Coleman's interviews on Radio Lancashire and am disappointed that if I miss them live I have to wait till Monday to hear them.

I am sure what he says motivates the players and it certainly stirs debate.

John Coleman is a great competitor who needs to win and it comes through in what he has to say. That can only be good for the club's league placings.

Its better than having a boring manager who does not show the players or supporters that he cares.

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I don't mind the ground at all. I prefer grounds like that myself, at least it has some character.

I just don't like arrogant football managers talking rubbish and can't accept defeat.

Oh and Stanley Convert: Well don,t come again oh sorry you might have to when your in league two next season cos you aint that good

We've won 7 home games, scored 18 goals and conceded 0. Oh and we've only lost 1 away. Pretty good for a team that "aint that good".

I still think Lincoln are going to win the league though but 3rd place will do us fine.

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LOL,I do like a good sense of humour, & yours is superb.:rolleyes:

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Just now managed to listen to Coley's comments at last by disabling my NTL Netguard firewall temporarily. I must say that he called it honestly as he saw the game and you can appreciate how his burning ambition has propelled us so far in a short time. I don't think he was being disrespectful to Walsall in saying we were miles better than them, as I think any neutral observer at the game would have been hard pressed to know which of the two teams was top of the league. He did contradict himself a few times, however; for example saying we dominated, but then slamming his players for being "lifeless in all areas"! Walsall didn't play well but got the rub of the green and good luck to them - just like us in many games last season.
I, for one, think we are very, very lucky to have a manager who demands high standards, and long may he reign!

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I think all Coley meant to say was he believes/believed that Walsall were beatable and was disappointed that we didnt turn em over - ambition like that can only be and has proved in the last 7 years, to be a very good thing. Could have worded it better I agree but like others have said, the man is passionate about this club and the football it plays. Id much rather have a manager that shows he gives a toss about the club I support than just fire boring maccawozzagod cliches at the press all the time - at the end of the day..

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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its goes dark!!!! :D