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:( im going to have gripe about yesterdays match and where we are heading.we are heading down unless drastic action is taken .we seem to just pump the ball up to a non existant paul mullin i think its time we had a new captain he doesnt encourage them he doesnt shout out instruction 100% effort is alright if your in the right position how many time did we lose posession when we tried the same old tactics the way we are playing now we are not good enough..and to those people who think it wont be a disaster if we go down take your head out of the sand it will be a disaster because i think the way this team are playing we would struggle in the conference and if we did the wages the players are on with dwindling crowds would bankrupt the club..so its time for action now i dont know what im not the manager bit its decision time for john coleman he could be the manager who took stanley to the league he could also be the manager who killed stanley. i dont see any drastic action from him now but maybe soon thats me finished and anybody who thinks im talking tripe look at other league clubs who have gone out of business...:(

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Could I have that with subtitles?

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to sum it up we need drastic action to stop the slide out of the league and those who say it wont be a disaster if we went out of the league. ill tell you it will cause the way the team is playing we would struggle in the conference an d most players are on three year contracts their wages woul cripple the club with dwindling crowds nobody woul want to buy them either...plain enough and the way to start stopping the slide is to change captain

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paul mullin is not the chosen captain( but works hard) and cav will be back soon. To be honest i dont think you can just say that if we changed the captain everything will be sorted out. it may help but i dont think it will make th team play alot better. there are other factors that need sorting. One thing isnt gunna help much. stanley need to start changing all the little things which will mount to a big change. I think stanley will stay up. We have players coming back from injury and even though we arnt playing to our full potential at the moment our recent form isnt too bad ( for a team that may be going down). the team will start to gel and understand each other.

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The captain will change very soon. Cav will be back so u can have your wish.

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I can understand your comments to a point... But changing captain wont change much... You say Mullers doesnt motivate the team ??

For goodness sake the eleven players chosen to represent the club are being paid, it's their job !! they shouldnt need motivating, personel pride, they are playing for our club and playing for their professional and football league careers.

Most of the players worked hard to get the club into the Football League they WONT want to go back trust me.

No Mullers isnt Roy Keane... It's time all eleven players became captain and stand up and be counted.

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well do they look motivated no somebody needs to motivate them coley mullers isnt nobody is they look like they have accepted relegation how many shots on target in the last 4 home games i am m,ega peed off going to fes and not even having a shot on target the only one we had was boco and thet was off-side:Banane20: somethings gotta change quick like give tony grant the captaincy a new broom.cause cav wont be back for another 3 weeks and even if he does come back as captain itll just breed more complacency because they are used to him they need a kick up the jacks:Banane54: y

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our form isnt bad 4 wins in 17 league games your having a laugh:hititbana

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Over 40 years we were out of the league unless you've forgotten. What did you think we were just going to walk the league? JC does what he can with a non existent budget and on top off that has lost his most influential players, Craney, Roberts, Barry to bigger clubs and Cav to long term injury.

I agree with some of your points but we do not have a god given right to be at the top of the league. It's always been about survival this year and consolidate our position and build from there.

You need to let the memory of winning most games last season (in the CONFERENCE) out of your heads because the league is a different story. Apart from a few exceptions most of the team haven't played in the football league before.

I don't enjoy watching Stanley struggling but it was always going to be that way this season.

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[COLOR=black]Recent form i.e. the last 9 games we have come out with 11 points. We are classed as a team in the relegation fight. For a team that looks like we might go down 11 points is better than none. Therefore our recent form is ok (when classed as a relegation candidate) compared to others near us- Boston and tourquay. you can stay up if you get 11 points in 9 games. If a team drew(gained a point) all their matches they would stay up.

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no i havent forgotton this is why it is pivitol we stay in the league .why try and get to the promised land and say it dont matter when it does this is accrington stanleys future but who cares we,ll be happy weve had one season in the league. well im not cause this season will dictate if there is a future or if the club will survive to exist .this is our biggest test to try and attract more supporters the only way we will if we stay up i never thought we would walk this league because what is happening now i predicted way back in august i even suggested we should have gone out and bought a big target man cause paul mullin is too slow and thet he should play just behind the strikers..and whats happened to the money for craney etc

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Sod ya doom and gloom cmonstanley. Gone too far. The most annoying thing for me in Stanleys current situation is that we are only 3 wins away from midtable - THATS whats griping me - its so close its annoying...

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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Spot on Jimbo, Grimsby being the case in point. After getting hammered against Torquay a few weeks ago they've since strung a few wins together and now look to be safe.

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Noone is safe when Stanley are still in the running :Banane47:

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Haha, so Coley is everybody in accrington that dont bother coming to games? whats Accringtons Population? about 35 thousand? and only 1500 come (and all them arnt all from accy) thats pretty shockin IMHO.

Yes the club i feel could do alot more to attract fans like giving 500 or however many free schoolchildren tickets when we play teams like torquay at home where its never gonna be a big attendance because the kids will go home buzzin they have got a free ticket and keep annoying their mums, dads etc so if a parent comes its £13 already plus a drink or even a chocolate bar at half time, aswell as a possible fan for life, then he goes home and tells hes mates from down the road how good it was then they may come. I know maybe not all the kids will come and many people have said things like this before and nouts been done, but atleast it has been tried and i dont think we have alot to lose by this.

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Jc has stuck by his mates and he has earned the right to. He has limited resources and cash, so he has done marvelous over the years, but I do feel he has been rather favourable and sentimental to certain players that reached there full potential last season and cannot make the grade at this level. He picks the team and if the players are not good enough and he continues to have faith and belief in these players he is doing his job wrong. End of last season i thought we needed at least 5 every week players to come in, instead we have players playing who never featured last season at all. Once again JC is a great non-league manager , ex player. Good football league manager ????? Keep the faith with his decisions even against most of our gut feelings,opinions because he is in the hot seat not us. If the unthinkable happens, the above points would mean to any other chairman that he has to go. Thats football, no other club carries sentiment if they do they are heading the wrong way.

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the point works both ways I think, from a players point of view they will give their all for a manager that has shown faith in them. The players got us to the football league and quite rightly deserved the chance to prove themselves in the league.

However, I do agree that football is a business that maybe leaves no room for sentiment and right. It is a hard and bitter pill to swallow for the players and managers that maybe they aren't good enough at this level. If we get away with it by the skin of our teeth then we will have done well, if we dont get away with it then the players that got us out of the Conference will have the chance to do it again.

The fact is though that if you were playing in an ideal world we would keep how many of the present squad? And we would replace the other however many with whom exactly?

We would probably want around 10 players (squad included) and every one of them would have to be better than what we have. Assuming that you all want us to buy these said better players and we were to spend around £50,000 perhaps ....... you do the maths. Probably better a player thats not quite good enough but willing to give his all for a manager he knows and respects than a player who has cost you money (and probably higher wages) and still might not be good enough.

Maybe one of our problems, and inherant from the good name and respect of Accrington Stanley, is that too many players apply to come here in in the summer so we cannot whittle them down well enough, or that we assume we dont need to buy quality because we can find it within the hundreds of trialists we get every year. It is a policy that has served us well for the last six years and will probably continue to do so.

It is a hope that we stay up but if provided we do then next year WILL have better in store for us in this league with a fuller squad and a little more luck. We expected nothing this year and have got next to nowt. We have however took 4 points from a very lively and respected Wycombe team, we have walloped Wrexham twice (now a crap team but feared when we played em the first time) we have beaten Notts Forest and took Premiership Watford to penalties, we have upset Dennis Wise and Paul Ince. Its not been that bad a season surely?

I know league points count for more but we have had highs and lows so far. Coley says that staying up will be a bigger acheivement than promotion so lets party as such when we have the points in the bag!

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Well said Macca...

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[quote=maccawozzagod;385870]the point works both ways I think, from a players point of view they will give their all for a manager that has shown faith in them. quote]

Yes, but what if you're a player sat on the bench who knows they're better than the one giving their all out on the pitch? How de-motivating is it to know that an inferior player is getting the nod no matter what you do?

Lets be specific - Welshy's been dropped to make way for the new lad. How many games have we won? Any danger of Rocky being dropped? No, because we will die for the cause and put his head where it hurts. If his technique & positioning was better perhaps we would stop dangerous situations developing?

Loyalty will get the best out of players I agree, but it will seriously p*** off others if it is seen to be misplaced.

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agreed 100% but I think the main reason Rocky is preferred to Welch is that he is more mobile, but again, if people did their jobs properly he wouldn't need to be more mobile.

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well said again Macca.....a long time ago on another thread i said i would be happy if we finished third from bottom on goal difference and that still applies.....i think we will do a bit better than that....but when we stay up it will be cause for celebrations and a job well done...

come on you reds

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five posts earlier Glosterred ....... the quote about Coley saying staying up would be a bigger acheivement ..... lets start planning the staying put party right away!!!

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We have had local ( east lancs ) lads who havent had a sniff who have come from rovers and burnley. I will stick my neck out and say that there must be a better centre forward than mangan in the 10 or so high schools year 11 in hyndburn and the ribble valley who is banging goals in for fun, yeah against lesser opposition but ask any striker scoring is confidence and ability. Stanley do not scout. Ill even push the boat and say there are better accy combination strikers who i know HAVE league experience. Players are out there but Liverpool is the be all and end all it seems, to be fair he has found some gems but they need to look a bit closer. What is it 3 years ago since matt derbyshire was playing for harwood - look at that jump! I would Think Rovers would send a couple of u19s over? have we tried or does jc shake his head and say i got someone lined up from st dominics (who are they?)or burscough or prescot cables. I have been told they have a motto pinned up on the changing room door ''If you dont speak scouse your not coming in.''

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hahaha does it not get boring???

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Plus the fact that Welch can score free kicks, as shown in that too :D

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I think you'll find Mark Hughes unwilling to send any of the rovers lads here on loan 'due to the facilities', or at least thats what he was heard stating after the pre season friendly here this year.

Oh and those of us who have been here since Rocky arrived will tell you that we have some reservations about his positioning and technique, always have had, we didn't need to be at the manfield game to tell anyone that!!!! Although give the lad his dues he's been far better this season than in previous efforts!!!

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it wil be boring if we dont fix things now and stanley dont exist dont forget where weve came from itll be so easy to go back and go bankrupt just remember most players we have got are on 3 + YEARS CONTRACTS and the way we are playing we would struggle in the conference just look at grays they got rid of some of their best players and they never even got in the league look where they are now .it can take only 2 years to get relegated from the conference and then were stuck with crowds of 499 and big wages.. and nobody will touch the players weve got wioth a bargepole there you go it is pivotal we stay up this season and for that to happen changes need to be made....i hope i am proved wrong but nothing suggests otherwise:(

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with the exception of boco I can't think of another player on a 3yr contract. And Boco certainly doesn't constitute most players!!!! Eric and Coley are both to canny to hand out that length of contract to players at this level willie nillie. And incase you didn't read the comments on the fishy site about wages, we are the worst payers in the division by some distance apparently.

Personally on this point, I think you my dear sir are talking out of your rectum!!!!

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who said we have most of the players on 3 year contracts? Boco has just signed a new contract (one of the best and most rated players) that will only take him to June 09.

Why would we go bankrupt if we got relegated? Most clubs who go down to the conference have big wage bills and big grounds to maintain. We have neither. Our ground is not out of place in the conference but is still one of the smaller ones. We won the conference with the 15th highest wage bill FFS, Eric will not pay more than we can afford but will also leave room for manouevre, no doubt if we go down then the wages do also. FACT. And we wouldn't necessarily lose all our best players because we do not perhaps have players that everybody covets. The main two would be Boco - new contract, looking to buy a house here and loves it at Accrington, and Paul Mullin who at 32 years old does not need the move, would not command a fee, and within reasonable constraints does not need the money. Our squad would remain other than who Coley wants to leave IF we go down. Finances would not be a problem because we dont have years worth of expectation from high season ticket sales, we are not dependant on TV and FL money, we do not have a high wage bill, we would not suffer a significant crowd fall (if anything it would possibly rise! as it certainly seemed to drop when we go tin the league due to segragation/bar problems).

You've been quite good recently Mr Bananaman, but this week you seem to have it that everything is bleak and the club is on the verge of collapse. I aint wearing rose tinted specs (seems to be the in vogue statement at the mo), I'm just being realistic. Why is it either all or nothing with you? why cant people just accept that this season we are in a battle and we or may not come through it? Lets just see how it pans out and then deal with the fallout, JC seems to think this would be a bigger acheivement than winning the conference and I am inclined to believe him. Its progress boys, but not as we know it

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so do you not agree with the team weve got now and the way we are playing we would struggle in the conference just look at grays last season when they beat us at the fes totally outclassed us apart from craneys goal they get rid of a few class players mclean etc just like we did craney etc and they are 4th bottom

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I guess the bananas are bruised now,will they go off? Stick around to find out:D

I personally do agree with Coley about staying up being more of an achievment than winning the conference. Ok, were not winning alot, but we're playing teams that (in theory) are a higher calibre than before, and this is one step in a staircase of personal achievements for Stanley! A new challenge if you will...

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they lost their manager who had taken up them up three leagues in about four years (sound familiar?)

they lost Thursgood, Kightly, McClean, the big striker who's name I cant remember but was summat like slapper!, around half a dozen longer serving peripheray players, the club is in turmoil due to possible ground relocation 15 miles down the road. I would doubt that many teams could come back from losses like that especially as they had very little infrastructure to begin with. At least we have a sound infrastructure (and not in debt or relying on sugar daddies such as Grays do) and the consistency of personnel. Again your doomsday scenarios do nobody any favours but are in fact total fabrication, pie in the sky, muck raking nothingness that are every bit as possible or unlikely as reaching the FA Cup semi-final and winning promotion to League One next season. Turn it in emoticon man cos its getting weary.

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fair enough i hope stanley shove my criticsm down my throat should stick one of my posts on the wall in the dressing room and inspire them to escape relegation lets hope....

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not a good idea, they'd be out of breath from the lack of punctuation! :D

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but if you read and talk scouse its like scouse talk;) :D

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Errrm, not really pal, know what I mean, like ;)

Your posts put me in mind of a horse called SHY TALK :rolleyes:

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Despite recent events on the pitch I would rather stick with Stanley than Torquay, Rochdale or Wrexham!

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id second that:Banane08: my griping is over now tomorrow is another game:Banane41: all we need is love .lets hope we get at least a point tomorrow 3 would be perfect i wonder what formation it will be tomorrow:confused: we are the reds we are the reds cmonstanley:Banane08: :Banane08: :Banane08: :Banane08: :banjump: :banjump: :banjump: :banjump: :banjump:

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Yes, let's hope so, Bananahead. If we don't I've no doubt that you'll be back on here tomorrow night predicting imminent collapse, bankruptcy, fire, famine, pestilence and all manner of terrible fates for the club. Then, by next Friday you'll be telling us how you've changed your mind and you're filled with optimism about our prospects (accompanied, of course, by a chorus line of dancing bananas) and so it goes...

Have you ever considered medical help?

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:D :D :D :D :D dont forget the smileys:Banane37: :Banane37: still cant wait till kick off. im not saying anything im focusing hopefully the players will be as well

come on you reds all out attack attack thets when we play best:Banane26: :Banane26:

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Makes a change for you, but I suppose we should be thankful for small mercies.

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your tempting me:banlama: :D

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In that case, I also shall say no more. I like your new avatar, by the way...a very fetching shade of dark blue/black...I take it that's the flag of the Stanley Supporters Club (Manic-Depressives Branch).

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:D ha ha ha today im happy cause its saturday and im going to the stanley:Banane11: :Banane11:

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To sum up- We now have to manage with the players we have to get us out of relegation worries. Is it not time every player gave 110 per cent and played with spirit and determination. Alright we are a ligtweight team to most of the bruisers who play in this league but surely we can play with width and play the ball on the ground like we did earlier in the season when we were frightened of nobody. If we do go down we go down fighting, not with a whimper.
We are the most famous team in the football league.I supported Stanley when they went out of the league and I dread to see it happen again.
The priority this season is to stay in the league then we can build from there.

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has any team ever gone out of the league twice?

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Halifax Town for one but there could be others.

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boston:D :banjump: