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Here's your chance:

http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk/

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;) nae chance:Banane11: :Banane11: :Banane11: :Banane11:
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eric whalley loyal no1 we stayed up i told you so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: :Banane44: 35 squid not on your nellie:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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What a larf! It clearly states that they are going to bid with your money to takeover a football club and need your cash up front to do it!! What if the alleged 'proposed' club says sod off not for sale ie Man Utd?!!!! Everyone should vote for Man Utd and get the thing to backfire on the ripoff jokers that set it up - made me giggle though. 50,000 x 35 = 1.75 million - hahaha!! Excuse me Mr Glazier or Mr Gillette or Mr Abramovich, we have 1.75 million to put in a takeover bid for your club - hahahahahahaha Whats even stranger is that on the website, apparently takeover funds with 50,000 members would be 1.375 million - doesnt add up to me...

And all 50,000 people vote on team selection?? Hahaha what - they all have a pimple each of a player?? This is FCUM taken to the extreme!!! Hahahaha - I just hope no-one coughs up any cash to these scam artists and see it for the quite clever joke that it is...

Click on 'How it works' for a REAL titter...

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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I'm sure a french team is currently run like this...

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what a scam .but bet people will cough up the £35 and then we will see them on gmtv crying about it like the rest of the scams

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well that shows it is a scam £35 would buy you leeds out right lol

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What's more is that you don't even need a real e-mail address to register!
:)

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Well I've signed up for it!!!

All you cynics will be sorry when I own a piece of Mangotsfield United from the Southern League!

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Well if its good enough for TM then I think I'll sign up too...................:D

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Roman Abramovich better look out. The high-rollers are in town! ;)

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ERM...........................WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOSH!!:D :p :D

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Definately a scam then - £35 is way too much for Leeds Utd:D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6611729.stm have a look at bbc web sight never no might be worth missing a night out for 35 QUID

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the concept is good, but the workability sounds ridiculous!

Imagine for one second that they take over at Stanley, can you imagine 50000 voting that yes we should have a roof - where does the money come from? The sheer amount of 'paperwork' that 50k consults would generate would be enormous.

On the good side though, if they did manage to sell 50k shares and all those people became interested in the club, the marketing possibilites then immediately become that of a Premiership club. Shirt sales, big game ticket sales etc etc. At a club like Stanley (1.75m wouldn't buy a big club would it?) it would make a massive and immediate difference. They could rapidly transform a club and then sell their 'share' for quite a tidy profit.

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Seam to recall 'EL TEL' buying Pompey for 1 pound a few years ago-though they weren't a prem club then.

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Ken Bates bought Chelsea for a quid a few years ago, but they both took over the debt the club was in at the time.

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and Stanley are currently third on the wish list!

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if you follow the link that Davo put on and have a look at the top picture, I'm pretty sure that is the Blackburn Rovers boardroom...?? (ok I'll own up I had to take my youngest, she is a fan, on a ground tour of ewood last time we were up..!!) Do you think £35 will get you a share of Rovers...!!!

Tractorboy Red ;)

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If they decided to buy Stanley then wouldn't all shareholders get a pay out???? I could be sitting on a nice little nest egg. ;)

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7.40 sunday morning they are talking about it on gmtv hope iam home from pub

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A perfect way to send a club tits up tbh

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Why are Leeds at the top then, is that not a case of unlocked stable doors and horses :D :D

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I'm afraid I just can't get my head round this idea that 50000 people can take over a football club. That's 50000 people with no real interest in our future. Ok they might claim that they've got an interest but £35 is obviously nothing to the kind of people who are prepared to put their money down before a clubs been found which means that they'll not be that bothered if they lose the £35 when the club goes titsup.

It's our club not some fantasy football game. Eric's investment may have been little compared to some of the money that's being pumped in elsewhere but at least we're financially sound and wouldn't pack up if the worst came to the worst.

Things have been far from perfect so far this season but I've got every confidence that we'll do ok. We've just got to be prepared for slow, steady growth. We've been spoilt in recent years with constant success - but it wasn't always like that - remember the mid-nineties, we were struggling in the NPL (and then got relegated).

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You've hit the nail on the head there I think, it's a fantasy football managers game come true :D

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Need to correct some misconceptions here -

To start with - if a club has not been purchased within twelve months then the membership fee will be refunded.

The rules of MFC prevent MFC from engaging in any action detrimental to the club. In other words if MFC were to purchase Stanley (or any other club), MFC would not be able to run up debts or enter contracts for which money has not been secured or set aside. The entire basis of the establishment of MFC is to secure the future of a football club and allow football fans (including Stanley fans) an opportunity to run the club. Why should it be the case that you have to have millions in your back pocket to decide what happens to a football club? and how many people with millions in their back pockets have ending up completely f*cking up the club they have bought?

Finally, if the entire project did go titsup (and it would be in football rather than financial terms) then in all likelihood the club would be sold to a local supporters trust for a nominal fee - as the members of MFC cannot make any financial gain fromthe sale of the club.

Agreed - it is not fantasy football and everyone on the MFC forum are only too well aware of that. The MFC members are very conscious of the fact that we are talking about a football club here, with staff, players, fans and all that goes with it. Remember the members of MFC are football fans too - and fans who are fed up of the way football is being destroyed by the current way it is run.

Stanley is currently in a stable financial situation but givent he current level of attendances this will not maintain itself indefinitely. Eric has admitted this himself. Now Stanley may not be an option for MFC - it is clear that the board want investment in the club but appear unwilling to give up control of the club for that investment.

I sincerely hope so - I wish every football club well - clubs like Stanley are the lifeblood of football. Hopefully all the developments will be positive.

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out of intrest how much are stanleys shares worth each ?

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Not what I paid for them :(

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not quite, he admitted that the club would struggle to progress without investment



and this is where we will fail to secure anything from anywhere. Who would be willing to give the likely sums wanted without getting anything major in return?

As much as I don't like the idea of buy-the-club coming here, there is no doubt that the money they would bring, the long term stability they would offer (merchandise sales would legitmately be ours etc) is much needed and could go a long way.

But, a club with a history like ours does not need tainting with Roman Abramovich style monstrosities. Even if they only stayed a year we would forever be the club that bought its success. And we have never done that.

Look Stanley up in the dictionary

Stanley verb to do the hard way


Lets have a 3rd round draw at Old Trafford instead please :p

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are they on the stock market under accrington stanley plc.. ?

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no but you may have found them on the outdoor market once upon a time!

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So what do they trade under then :S

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I'd prefer to take Bagpuss to Goodison. :)

Admire your patience in responding to the MFC brigade, Macca. Personally from reading their posts, wouldn't like to have a pint with any of them, and I'm more than sure it'd be mutual. :uzi:

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Correction noted.

To be honest, while the financial benefits would be significant for a club like Stanley, in my opinion, the running of the club by football supporters will be of significantly greater importance. The backbone of any club are the football fans and they are the only ones who don't have any say in what happens.

I think you are way off the mark here. All clubs 'buy' success - there is no other way of doing it. To suggest that MFC is anything remotely approaching Chelsea is flying in the face of what MFC is all about. Does Abramovich allow fans vote on anything? As I said above the actual democratic structure and the involvement of football fans around the world, among club fans and among the local community is far more important in the potential for positive impact than any financial benefits that would accrue. Remember that clubs like Peterborough have far more money at their disposal than any club MFC could purchase. Does this mean that Peterborough are akin to Chelsea? The financial benefits of MFC will ensure stability and the ability to engage in long-term planning - in the interests of the club - not the whim of the chairman. Allowing the fans to have control is potentially of far greater importance.

While I would love to see Stanley going there and going one better then Exeter - financially - it is only of limited benefit (as Exeter have seen).

Wishing the club every success.

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And all these supporters will have a say, what happens if its a 50/50 split vote who makes the decision? If I understand it correctly, it will have a chairman and a board, who decides who these are? and if they disagree with the vote do you oust them? Like communism it is great in theory, but someone has to be in charge otherwise anarchy.
As you know all fans are fickle, so if enough want to fire the manager, does he go? or when he signs his contract it will be on the understanding that he may be fired on the wim of a few supporters?
Who decides who the manager, coaches, kitman, tea ladies etc will be?
It sounds like a good idea on paper, but power to the people........please, the average fan knows how to winge and complain, he does not know how to run a football club.
Looking at your logic that MFC is not Chavski, means that it doesn't have the ambition of the Chavs, so you are looking at buying a club and staying in the lower leagues, what happens when the owners get peeded off with staying there, they take there money and run.
What about inflation, when your 1.4 has run out do you ask for more, or do you fold and start again?
Just a couple of questions that the article doesn't answer.

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Hopefully this won't happen because I don't really want to go but reading the Telegraph report it sounds like Rob Heys is worried about his job, don't worry Rob pay your £35 and vote yourself back in as new manager.:)

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The chances of a tie with somewhere between 30,000-50,000 votes are very slim.

Vote by the membership

Yes - the intention is that the representaives of MFC will represent the interests of the members. Policy decisions will be made by a general vote of the membership.

Think a better description would be participatory democracy.

The intention will be to recruit a head coach rather than a manager - who will have responsibility for coaching the team.

The coach would in all likelihood have better employment protection than currently exists for managers. And no he couldn't be fired on the whim of a few supporters - unless you regard 50,000 as a few.

Current staff will be retained under existing terms and conditions - it is not intended to come into a club and just sweep everything aside. MFC members are very conscious of the need for stability and continuity. A significant period of time will pass while the membership get to know the working of the club - the players etc. Of course there will be problems and it will be a learning curve for everyone involved - but at the end of the day MFC will operate in what is in the best interests of the club.

Have to fundementally disagree with you here. I am of the opinion that the average fan knows just as much, if not more, about football than the average chairman (considering the amount of chairmen that have completely f*ck-up their clubs)

Of course we want to progress the club - the fundemental difference between Chelsea and MFC is not ambition but participation. With MFC the fans will decide not one Russian billionaire that will swan off and leave Chelsea up the creek when he finds another plaything (or goes broke).

With 50,000 members the potential income for the club will be in the region of £3-4million per annum. From membership fees, increased merchandise sales, increased attendances, increased sponsorship and increased commercial activities. If necessary the membership fees can be increased by a maximum of 10% per annum (this would require a vote of the membership). To be honest the financial aspects will not really be an issue - the key point being that MFC must run the club with a balanced budget and cannot enter into contracts that could place the club in financial difficulty.

As regards folding and starting again - personally I think this is a one off - it is potentially possible to do the whole project a second time but I doubt very few of the membership would be interested. The intention is to have a long-term view 15-25 years and hope we can build the club during this period. Members of MFC are also very aware of the fact that the long-term viability of the club depends on building support for the club in the local community. MFC can keep things going for a period with the worldwide membership but without the support of the local community eventually MFC would have to withdraw.

And a few answers - I will answer any questions you or others have.

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questions for you then

1) seeing as you still seem to be hanging around here then and have appointed yourself as spokesman for Buy-the-Club there must still be a chance (you think) that Accrington Stanley is on the cards. What is the feeling on your forum? what are the chances? could you confirm whether an offer has been made or whether we have expressed interest?

2) I do not have an 'employed' status at the club but me and a few others have special privileges such as queue jumping, free admittance to Cup matches, buy one get one free at the bar etc - will this still stand?

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Not a spokesperson - expressing my own opinion - relating info from MFC terms and conditions and opinion from MFC forum.

A number of people are pushing for Stanley to be approached as regards possible purchase - Now there are 500 regular posters (ie every day or two) and 3,000 who post sometimes - the number of Stanley advocates is probably less than 40.

As regards the status of any contact between MFC and Stanley - all we know is that 7 clubs have approached MFC to discuss possible MFC investment. We know that negotiations are ongoing. MFC have recruited a well-known firm of solicitors to act on MFC's behalf and the investigation of all potential clubs for purchase with be significant and thorough. We do not know who these clubs are as all have insisted on confidentiality and are aware only to our takeover team. I do not know if Stanley are one of the seven but the takeover team have not approached any club. To the best of my knowledge MFC has not made an offer on any club - negotiations have not progressed that far. Stanley will be on the cards if Whalley approaches MFC and offers to sell the club for an affordable price. MFC's solicitors will then carry out due diligence and if everything is satisfactory MFC could make an offer - but it could also make an offer on one of the current seven (assuming Stanley isn't one of course)

You can make your case and we'll put it to a vote

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That is a absolute joke the well known fans on this small club who have attend will lose there benefits while the big wig chairmen and board will show off its a joke i hope you stay clear of us and go on ruin a club like barrow

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Top call Mr Nickelson !!:D

I for one don't want some faceless,financial experiment in whatever guise MFC wishes to call itself to use MY club as a guinea pig. If MFC are looking for a club to invest in i'd suggest :

Head up the M62 to Elland Road and speak to Cuddly Ken. I'm sure that he'd welcome the "financial input"!!!!:eek:

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Would also be cheaper for them as well cos Bates thinks a pound is only worth 8p :D

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if only....

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Barrow is already ruined, be honest would you really want Barrow to be the club that is taken over because I'd rather Stanley got the chance before one of our ex-rivals:cool:

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PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY
Direct (participatory) democracy - A form of democracy in which most, or all, of the citizenry participate directly by either holding office or making policy.
The twentieth- century re-incarnation of the ancient Greek ideal of government by the people (demos), participatory democracy is direct democracy with enthusiasm.
In practice this meant that all debates and decisions took place in face to face meetings of the whole group.
Direct democracy was especially import in the American New left, the French and British student Movements, and the anti-nuclear and peace movements of the 1960s and 1970s. It was also a feature of the ecological and community movements that survived into the 1980s and 1990s. The difficulty with participatory democracy is a practical one, that it binds individuals to the group through their active involvement in all decisions. By general agreement, participatory democracy can be effective only in groups with 500 or fewer active members. Direct participatory demos in government can only be possible by allowing the people to participate in government through their elected representatives, which is called Representative Democracy.

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If Mr Whalley wishes to "sell out" my only wish, (I dare say like may likeminded fans of this club) then I hope it is to somebody who can continue the BRILLIANT work that he started,so long ago,when this club was in the Unibond 1st Division. We may have a few "issues" now but let's not forget....SIX years ago league football was an ambition. We've come a hell of a long way in a short time under the stewardship of Eric and Coley.

If Mr Whalley wishes to sell and (as I am sure) he has the best interests of this wonderfull club at heart, I am sure he would not sell out to an "enterprise" (if you could call it that) such as MFC.

We have a LOYAL fanbase who will continue to work together to push this club in the direction it has been heading. It's now a matter of putting bums on seats and feet on the terrace.

Whilst I'd agree that financial input (at this moment)will help the club maintain league football, let's address the problem in hand,i.e. the lack of numbers. E.W. and J.C. can only do so much.

To quote a title :"A.S.F.C.- the club that wouldn't die "or to pardon a phrase "The Long Road back"

Let's make sure the efforts of all the people who worked so hard to get this club back to league football aren't in vain.

And selling out to a consortium such as MFC would totally contravene and RUIN the efforts of all who have strived to put this great club back where it is now.

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Carpon is absolutely right. Whalley and Coleman have achieved a phenomenal amount on a shoe string. We as fans now have to do our bit in getting more people into the ground. Now that the Clayton End Roof is on we can make a great noise - it was fantastic against Grimsby with only 1300 in the ground. What we can't pretend is that the team are offering table topping premiership stuff. its just good honest, entertaining football.

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I make no excuses for this bit of tat. On Whalley On.

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Doug, I am astounded!

how can we tell you aint working at the moment?

I like it, forward it to Zero

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Absolutley brilliant Doug...............will even put a track together for you:D

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You will recognise it as a shameless rip off of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” (Julia Ward Howe 1819 – 1910) so please don’t credit me or Jonny Reb might take revenge. :rolleyes:

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So am I, and after this I'll be Dammed................:D On Stanley On

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i recognised it straight away mate, track progressing nicely, loads of drums, Brass etc!!!

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Nice one Doug :thumbsup: heres a little warning for all the Eric out crowd.

The Ballad of Leeds

O come ye good children, and gather 'round my feet
I'll tell ye the sordid tale of the football club named Leeds
A club so mighty they once stormed through the Cup Euro
Until the semi-finals, where Valencia laid them low

With mighty Mark Viduka, from auld Van Dieman's Land
And Kewell and Bowyer, Woodgate and Ferdinand
And pulling all the strings was the genius on the bench
Crafty Dave O'Leary, for whom winning was a cinch

Then the Dark Lord Ridsdale took a mortgage on the side
The bankers came a-callin', and Rio paid the price
Sold down the road to Manchester for 30 sterling mil
Like Judas sold our savior, 'fore they led him up the hill

O'Leary stood up and cried, "A pox upon yer head!"
So Ridsdale had him banished and put Terry in his stead
But 'twas far too late to keep them evil banker boys at bay
The till ran dry, the bill came due, and Ridsdale ran away

The boys in white went down, and went down once again
Now in the third division, they still pay for Ridsdale's sin
And no white knight has ridden in to save them from their fate
Just Black Ken Bates to suck them dry and revel in their hate

So listen well my little lads, my little lads in blue
And heed my words, me boys, heed my words so true
Beware of evil owners when they drive good men away
And leave your club with nothing but a banker's bill to pay

Remember my sad tale of the brave West Yorkshire sons
Who once plied their trade in Europe and now toil in League One<!-- sig -->

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This forum is getting too cultured. Let's bring it back to its usual level. Should Coley play McEvilly? What do we really think of the new roof? Holland's pies or Greenhalgh's? Let's have a vote!

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i think doug should sing it at the karaoke at the crown on friday:D:D:D:D:D

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been out of touch for a while and just caught tailend of this thread - thought I'd chime in to congratulate Carpon on expressing the sentiments of all true Stanley fans. It ain't possible to have success season after season - in the words of the tv ad "it don't work like that". Other clubs fans may have a muppet mentality of 'getting rid' the minute the sun stops shining - but we are Accrington Stanley - so Whalley and Coley forever !