Announced gate numbers - beware!
 

At midnight tonight the Hereford fans unnofficial forum will be closed down as a result of a post appearing last week which suggested the official gate figure for a recent match had been understated. Graham Turner, the Hereford manager and owner is holding the forum administrator personally responsible. If we don't want this to happen to our messageboard I suggest certain contributors carefully consider the possible consequences before making similar accusations regarding Stanley's gates in future!

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To paraphrase (or quote if it's correct) Edmund Burke......

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

:D

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If it unofficial how does Turner get involved, just tell him to F off. Turner is holding the Forum administrator responsible, so what, again tell him to F off, or has he now turned green,ripped off his shirt and said "don't push me" if this has not occured why take any notice of him?

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:D:D:D:Banane39:the truth must really hurt theyre hurtin:D:D

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Unfortunately, it's not that simple as I think official or unofficial forums are governed by the laws of libel.

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Anyone in mind?

I for one do not think it would be a wise move to stop postings on any aspect of the club unless it's a case of libel because maybe someone might have info that would be best kept for private discussion, who knows;)

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So the bully threatens you with a law suit, I am sure Hereford would want the publicity, manager sue's unofficial forum over gate count. Stand up to the bullies, write a retraction, then confindently take the p.iss week in and week out with a retraction posted at the bottom. If he has a football club to run he won't have time to be bothered with this fuss.

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See for yourself:-

Today I, Martin Watson, received a phone call from Graham Turner, manager and chairman of Hereford United Football Club.

The phone call related to a post on the forum made by the user Loveibull on Saturday evening, regarding the announced gate for Saturday's match. Mr Turner holds myself responsible for the content of the post and, effective immediately, I have been banned from Edgar Street for life.

The post was not made by me, nor pointed out to me, prior to the phone call but I am expected by the football club to be wholly responsible for it despite the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, I have never met the person that actually made the post. Therefore I have no choice but to close this forum.

This forum will close at midnight on Wednesday night in order for supporters to arrange an alternative forum for themselves, should someone wish to take the responsibility. The post in question has been removed as per the accepted UK legal precedent known commonly as 'notice and takedown'.

I would like, at this stage, to confirm once again that neither Chris Powis (ExLandlord) nor Graham Goodwin (Organic Bull) or any of their family members have any involvement in the ownership or control of this forum. It is a seperate entity to the Bulls News site that we all contribute to. Chris, a 50 year veteran of Edgar Street, and Graham have done fundraising work over the last 12 months for the club and I would hate them to be dragged into a situation that they have had no involvement in whatsoever, as has been suggested by Mr Turner.

Prior to today's events I had been a season ticket holder at Edgar Street since 1984, a member of the Vice Presidents' Club since my father's death in 1993 and, for ten years, an unpaid committee member of the Hereford United Vice Presidents' Club - eight of them as Secretary. I had provided numerous IT services to the club, in my professional capacity, free of charge including equipment during the club's tougher times and also assisted in the supply of inflatables to the Open Day in order to raise money for the club where previously the inflatables had usually lost money. None of these thousands of hours of voluntary work appear to count for anything anymore.

I wish to request that any supporters who feels that the actions taken by Graham Turner are unfair to please make their feelings known to him or the local press.
You can email the club at [email protected], telephone the club on 01432 276666 (10am-4pm), or write to Mr Graham Turner, Hereford United Football Club, Edgar Street, Hereford, HR4 9JU.
The Hereford Times can be reached at [email protected], and BBC Hereford and Worcester can be reached at [email protected]. I repectfully request that you please keep all correspondence civil.
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graham turner always been dodgy [allegedly]:D:D:D:D

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pussy has a twitchy bottom. not to worry pussy, no one believes the tripe you post about the club so you are safe :)

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Any Hereford fans who visit our forum you have my support I am disgusted by this action from your club if there isany evidence I know if it was me I would be using it for a court case, Turner you are an ARSE.

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Why don't you just shut up, I am not the slightest bit twitchy if I thought I could be sued in anyway I would have stopped posting after I was contacted by the club, but I'm still here does that tell you all you need to know, idiot.

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Sound funny that Poppy, I know our little Puss is some what individual in his views, but he is doing rather better than you in the popularity stakes wouldn’t you say? :)

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Hey, anybody who lends somebody £10 who lives 8000 miles away can,t be all that bad.!!! I,ll be over on the 8th sept. so will get the chance to meet some of you great people, hopefully.

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A number of years ago I was threatened with legal action concerning items that appeared in the then Stanley fanzine. I hadn't written the articles, but as editor/producer I was told that I would be held responsible.

Amongst others, I sought some advice from a Southern based non-league magazine who had faced similar threats from the club they supported. Their advice was, "if they want to bring a case of libel against you, they have to prove that what you have said isn't true. Do they want to go through all that, and have their dirty washing aired in public? "

In the case of the Hereford forum, then Hereford FC/Turner would have to prove that the gate figures were 100% accurate. They would be fully investigated and every miniscule detail would be brought into the public domain. I doubt many clubs would want that to happen. Do you?

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I'd forgotten about that, not sure if I've already got the money back, I can't remember:confused:

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Official Hereford forum is now to close as well, full story @ Bulls News - The Hereford United News Website

Scroll past this article and there is a link to a petition in support of Martin Watson, there's already some Accy names on it.

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Gizza job;)

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I can assure everyone that the gate attendances announced at The FES are totally accurate in every case, and even include the non-payers (sponsors etc).

It is very easy for people to think that clubs fiddle the gate receipts as a tax dodge, but ours are electronically calculated, and cross-checked.

Not every-body is on the fiddle you know!!

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Mr Turner, not very nice what you have done to someone who helped the club through all the mess caused by bad management of the club, You Mr T should be asked to resign and forced to sell the club back to the fans who will do a better job than you have ever done, I hate managers who can't take a bit of flack wether its a case like this or POOR!! team selection if they cant take it they should GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

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Why are you quoting me?? At least have the decency to quote relevant posts.

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I really hope you mean COUNTED as the definition of CALULATED is:
1. To ascertain by computation; reckon.
2. To make an estimate of; evaluate
3. To make for a deliberate purpose; design:

I found No.2 the best definition:D

(Did you know if you take a picture of a crowd it's quite easy to count how many people are on the picture?);)

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Really think you, and others, are missing the big picture, Bagpuss. :(

A guy's gone, unjustly, to the gallows* for giving someone, like you, the opportunity to post stupid messages.



*OK, maybe not the gallows, but, "Tale of two cities" sprang to my mind ....
.................................................. .................. so that would be the guillotine. :behead:

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So that's who he is.

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The point has not been missed on me, far from it, I have never posted anything that I could not back up if needed. PEOPLE LIKE ME (thank you) if the moderators though anything was wrong would ban US, in fact I would ban myself. Censorship of this level is disgusting the guy has done nothing wrong but I get the impression that you would like to censor in your own words STUPID MESSAGES from our forum, I do not consider what I post to be stupid just sometimes another point of view like your postings, lighten up, as kipax keeps saying "it's only a message board".:)

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Is this what you class as a stupid posting OGGY? I've been given karma for a witty post but if you think it's stupid so be it that's your point of view.:)

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Maybe it should have said, " for giving someone, like you OR ME, the opportunity to post stupid messages ". Does that make sense?

To me, though, the issue seems to be a guy has been stuffed by the club, for something beyond his control, after years of service to the cause.

I'm all for stupid messages, big fan of cmonstanley, and my own can be a bit wayward at times, depending on circumstances. If I do have a beef with yours, Bagpuss, it's probably that I've heard it all before and it seems more like an agenda than a view. But, having read the thread again I wouldn't want you to shut up, as others are suggesting, not in the least.

Anyway, hope people have read the full story and signed the petition.

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what I dont get is that if it was an Unofficial forum, and the offnding thread had been deleted, why the guy has agreed to take the site down even though he was given a life ban from Edgar St!

I personally would have given Turner holy hell through the site and let the 500 odd petitioners have a field day.

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That would be tempting, but not in Martin Watson's style, from the little I know of him. Have been a fan of Bull's News since Revived Red recommended it on here, they have a gentler way of supporting and reporting all things Hereford, and football in general, usually quite funny.

Turner has got it wrong, big style, and has turned the spotlight on himself, no doubt this is just another episode in the strange relationship between fans and clubs. Their official forum closing down is a strange one, can only see it as an act of solidarity.

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I can only speak from our ground facilities that the new turnstiles are linked to a computer count as required for ground licencing by Lancs county council. In conversations with Eric of recent times he considers this information as critical to the accurate accounting of the club. It also allows the safety officer to assess, when crowds permit, when capacity of each section of the ground is at a maximum for safety. As for Hereford maybe after all out te a te's over the years maybe the chairman has done the lad a favour in "no longer having to suffer fools glady" (assumed of course.) In reality the chair is opening himself up to a whole potential can of worms & trust the real fans of Hereford back him up & show the chair up fobeing such an arrogant personage-surely the local press should finally have a great time of use of freedom of the press in exposing whatever skeletons theyalways manage to dig up at such times. I am now off to sign the lads petiton in support & show my disgust at such over the top action.

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Have just viewed Hereford site & note the Chair is making such a gracious retraction-probably ex army-shoot first ask questions later! Petition up to 1063 from all over, including abroad.Turner will probably be a good candidate for playing the Joker in the next Batman film.