tonite v rochdale
 

perkins sent off for rochdale and craney scores with free kick

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final score 2-1 rochdale.

We really should be winning against 10 men. Anyone know why Coley took Leighton off?

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One of the worst stanley performances I've seen. It's all well and good playing with 10 men but with rocky and branch in a stanley shirt we're effectively playing 9
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Because he was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

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I agree, we were awful, nobody apart from Jay, gave any effort.
And what's the point in playing one dimensional football, when there is nobody on the same wave-length as Mully, so the knock-ons just go to waste. :mad:

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Well done John Coleman.

No tactics.
No bollocks.
No nothing.

...Again.

One positive - Dennehy looks class!

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Worst Stanley performance I have ever seen tonight. Out passed and out fought by 10 men for most of the game, and it could have been 1-4 by the end. Why oh why does Coley persist with Branch, when he has been a liability for the last few peformances, and move Liam from his natural position to accomodate him to the exclusion of Edwards, one of our best defenders? It is beyond belief. Even with 11 against 10 we continually humped the ball in the air instead of keeping the ball - we are so one-dimensional in our play it is untrue. Great performance by the Dale, who looked to have spare men by intelligent, dynamic play all over the pitch. No beer in, so I'm hitting the sherry bottle tonight.:(

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What kind of manager, when your 1 - 0 up at home & the other team are down to 10 men switches to a 4 - 5 - 1 formation????? Coley had absolutely no idea tonight - neither did the team for big patches of the game. They came to life a bit when we were 2 - 1 down, around about the time that our esteemed manager decided to let rip with a string of obscenities and kick the side of the dugout. All I can say is discipline comes from the top and if thats the example they get ???????????

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Okay just asking, no need to get sarky, jeeze who rattled your cage!!!:D

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Worst performance of League 2 maybe, but of all bad defeats I'd say Worcester away on a Tuesday night was the most horrific I've seen!

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ps - Even if a little like Bambi on ice!

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Rate the players...Branch 0/10, Rocky 0/10..Coleman 1/10
This was an absolute rubbish display. The team have had ten days to prepare and they looked tired and unable to string together more than one pass. Rochdale wanted to win and did so well with ten men. Paul Ince was here tonight to watch the opposition...He has no worries.

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I wouldn't have given him 0.

But it's not just Branch, is it? NINE defeats at home, (6 league, 3 cup),
failed to score in 6 of those, and in the lead in the other 3 !!!

As Yogi Berra famously said, " It's Deja vu, all over again".

Come on John, get it sorted, we're doing the business away from home.

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Out of curiosity what was the 1 for the others didn't get ?

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I only saw the second half and what I saw was not worthy of the name of Accrington Stanley. I would say, only Liam Richardson and BIlly Dennehy came out of that match with anything. Rommy did not have the time to get into the game and where was Roscoe, is he out injured or summat. By the looks of it, there were approximately 700 Dale fans maybe more, but if that is what is servedup to the Accrington fans then we won't be getting 900 more like 400, even the Ultras seemed quiet tonight by comparison. Enough is enough, the formation should have been 4-3-3 after Perkins got sent off, not 4-5-1 - even 4-4-2 would have been preferable. The performance was inept and devoid of all thinking by any of the men in Red except for the two named above. I think it is time to play all our matches away and in Blue because red is not a lucky colour at the moment.

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10 blokes in red shirts and one dressed as a pixie (well he was wearing a green shirt and tights) running aimlessly round a big muddy field whilst a short balding chap with a scouse accent shouted obscenities and kicked a breeze-block wall.

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I always look for the positive:confused:
I did actually have one Best Cheeseburger I have had for along time:)

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Maybe we put on that crap display to make Incey think we're crap - lull him into a false sense of security so on Saturday he plays a weakened team and we stuff 'em out of sight - good tactics Coley :rolleyes:

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Last night we started 5-3-2, a formation which has been working well away from home but not at home. Rochdale started 4-4-2. Perkins was sent off, Rochdale immediately changed their formation taking off a striker and replacing him with a midfielder and playing 4-4-1. Stanley kept to 5-3-2. Five Stanley defenders against one Rochdale striker, three Stanley midfielders against Rochdale's four and two strikers against Rochdales four defenders. Rochdale controlled the midfield and effectively the game. We have Richardson (a left back) playing at right back, we have a statue (Branch) playing at left back and we have one of our best defenders (Edwards) warming the bench. Later on in the game when we were losing Coley decided to put Richardson more forward on the wing and put Rocky out to right back. Why not just leave Richardson where he should be, take Rocky off and put Boco on the wing ? Rochdale's first goal came from a Stanley free kick on the edge of the penalty area, when they scored four of our defenders were on the half way line. Rochdale's second goal came from a corner - five Stanley defenders around one Rochdale striker who managed to beat all five to the ball and put it in the back of the net. Tactically we are rubbish. 'Johnny Coleman football genius' don't make me laugh. It's about time we all stopped looking at life through red tinted glasses and faced up to reality. The management team is not good enough, some of our players were not even good enough for the Conference yet they are first choice in the Football League. Coley's favourites are the first on the team sheet when they are fit - Cav, Rocky, Procky, and Mully - personally I don't think any of that four are good enough for the Football League. Put all four on the transfer list and see if any Football League club comes in with an offer for them - I don't think so. Things have to change and change fast before we return to non-league.

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Have to agree with that Jeff - and the changes should start at the top. When I came into work this morning, one of the lads asked me if John Coleman had quit because he had heard some of his comments on the radio after the game last night apparently saying he couldn't take much more or something to that effect. How the hell does he think watching games like that makes the fans feel, having to endure his inept attempts at tactics. It's his job to turn things around but it's just not happening.
In the past, even if we've been beaten you could usually guarantee an entertaining match to watch - unfortunately not any more.

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I caught part of it and he mentioned somethiong about he would have a heart attack if he had to put up with much more like last night. Pretty sure I heard him also say that Rochdale only had 2 shots all game, didn't sound like that on 2BR, pretty sure I heard them say Mullin had cleared 2 off the line.

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Mully did clear at least one off the line, we also had a lucky escape when one stuck in the mud on their goal line.
Strange about these reports on the radio though, we had the Rochdale reporters behind us & at times they seemed to be watching a totally different game to the one we were seeing - also when our lot were singing 'you're just a small town near Bacup', they insisted they aren't even in the same county & reckoned Rochdale is actually in Greater Manchester :rolleyes:

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It's just as well Perkins was sent of otherwise we would have had a right king hammering.

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I didn't want to post last night as I was so angry about what I'd seen that I feared I'd post an extremely negative rant. I thought I may feel better today, but like Wynnonie said on another thread, I don't feel any better at all. I'm just glad that there isn't another home game this Saturday, or I might consider not going at all.

Things seem to be going from bad to worse. The display last night was the worst I've seen in a long, long time. Did the Rochdale 'keeper have a save to make all night? Apart from routine stuff, I don't think so.

To try to get a handle of things I began to think about whether the team we have now is better than the team that narrowly missed relegation last season. Has the manager addressed the obvious problems we had last year, or have his signings failed to make a difference?
Here are my thoughts:

Kenny Arthur - unfortunate to get injured. I think Kenny has been a good signing and would have been a major player if he'd stayed fit.

Roscoe Dsane - has shown glimpses of quality, but misses too many one-on-ones. Still a decent signing I think.

Sean Webb - has looked ok, but has often been omitted from the team in favour of others. We still leak goals like a sieve, so obviously it isn't right.

Mark Roberts - looks ok and always tries hard, but is he significantly better than Welsh? Is this signing a significant move towards a better defence? The goals against record says not.

Now we come to real negatives.....

Graham Branch - Looks a million miles off the pace and largely disinterested. A friend of mine said that he'd seen Branch half-heartedly 'warming up' before the game. That isn't the kind of player we need.

Paul Carden - obviously a flop and now out on loan at Cambridge

John Miles - another major flop. Nothing more to add.

Lee McEvilly - as above. Not even here anymore.

So Coleman brought in these players to improve the team. Apart from a couple of examples from above, has he done his job? Is he motivating the team? Is there a selection of tactics? Do we change our tactics to counteract the opposition? Do we respond when things aren't working?
Personally, I don't think so.

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Are there any tactics me thinks JC puts players out & hope for the best IMHO:(

Being there very early last night there was noticeable difference straight away as soon as players turned up to the ground, Rochdale's lot were up for it music going, laughing about with each other - ours looked solemn as they appeared if they were going to a funeral - thats my observation. Something is not right in camp with the players & that was distinctly obvious on pitch, no real communication between them, no confidence, no position play to intercept balls nor pass, players were here there & everywhere but not where they should be, huge gaps, no desire for goal & plenty of 'oh he will go for it i'll not bother atttitude' presuming that another player will be psychic, apathy is not only with the fans its with our own players too:(

Think drastic action needs to be taken soon before it gets worse.

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Definitely agree. I turned up at about half an hour before kick off and it was clear even then that we were going to lose. There was just no energy!
The total lack of nouse in the playing staff of late is clear, however I do still believe we've got the best management team we could possibly have.
I believe the problems on the pitch have filtered down right from the top.
Accrington Stanley has a stale feel about it this season, both off and on the pitch - we need new life at the top in my opinion.

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Glad i wasn't imagining it hehe, yeh i agree with you, as much as it pains me to say new life at the top is definately needed as soon as really before damage is done permanently where apathy sets in & rots the club.

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thing you will find he started off as a right back whilst playing for rovers so that is his original position, :rolleyes:

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How many games did he play for Rovers at right back, and how many games has he played for Stanley at left back. Maybe Rovers played him in his wrong position as well.

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I was really ****ed off yesterday.First text from Cowboy informs me we are playing 10, second we are 1-0 up.Then like the weather did here,it turns to custard. Despite all the rheteric(sp) about 10 players lifting their game,there can be NO excuse for missing out after 80 minutes of 11 vs 10.
Shame on you Stanley.

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at rovers i think he played in the region of 25 games at right back,

not sure what position he played at bolton and blackpool etc

and as for stanley iv'e not got a clue how many games he has played at lb but he started his career as a right back thats all im saying, not causing arguments just stating a fact.

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I'd have to agree with the comments about the management team. They are the main reason for the crap performances at home. Coley doesn't have a clue with team selection or tatics and is subsequently costing us the game even before kick off. He makes changes to late and when he does they don't seem to make sense. What worries me is that he is making the same errors every week and isn't learning from them. I've been patient with him like many other fans, remembering that this is only our second season back in the league, hence he is still learning and that we are only a small club with limited resources. Without a doubt, he has done a great job but perhaps it is time for a change. We should be playing a lot better at home and especially against 10 men. Clearly the players aren't in the right spirit (as previously mentioned) which is his responsibility as manager- he's got to get them motiviated.
Jeff mentioned Procky, Rocky, Cav and Mullin not been good enough for league 2. Agree with Rocky but not the other 3. Procky was fantastic earlier in the season and got an award, Cav as been good going forward and sticking some good balls in into the box for Mullin who is 11th in the top goalscorers for league 2 with 7 goals. Clearly these 3 players (in particular) aren't in the right frame of mind and are not getting the motivation from the manager. By the way Branch go now- you are a lazy ****e who is only here for my hard earned cash which I won't be wasting if I have to watch the same rubbish in the future. I understand that as a football fan you will experience highs and lows and we are going through a bad patch at home. I can take defeat but not when there is no pride or passion. We need to get it sorted.
Final point-training. What the f**k do they do all week? Can't do throw ins, passing, attacking and defending corners etc Same rubbish again every home match I go to.
Coley has got to turn it around quickly or go and take Branch with him. Rant over

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sorry sent it twice

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Right I am unsure but if Coley doesn't have a clue how has he got Stanley to where they are today?? I know what the comeback is going to be that he knows what he's doing in non-league and maybe League football is a step to far but it was counted a success last season for staying up, so this season what do the fans realistically want when you look at what the club has as a whole!!??? Realistically you have to look at Branch and think he was against Higginbotham all night and 18 year old Rookie who's already caught the eye of many, so maybe was tough night for him!!

Realistically who would you bring in as a manager?? Would you sack Coley AND Bell or just one??? You have to be realistic in situations like this!!

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if you cant beat 10 players in 70 mins there is something seriously wrong its like dejavu every home game do you think people are going to keep paying 13 quid watching something repetitive .its happening every home game.

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To a certain extent winning away and losing at home is not a bad thing for survival in the league, it does however have a serious impact on revenue.

The one thing football fans want more than any result is effort and passion, losing a few games doesn't matter as much if the team goes down fighting. Reading the posts and living with a Stanley fan suggests those ingredients are missing and that is what everybody is so annoyed about.

I can tell you living with a Stanley fan is not a pleasant experience today:(

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Very true C'monstanley & its getting worse, its not about losing - its about losing without any effort to try or passion to try not to, if we'd of lost & played our hearts out there wouldnt be this uproar, was u there last night stanleyno1?? seems u didnt see the same game as rest of us:rolleyes:

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I was there last night............ and haven't really commented on the game as such just feel maybe more time is needed. I's a massive step-up and Branchy I agreed had a mare which he has had a few times but its just one of them things I guess!!

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When u have been to every home match so far as most of us have u will understand the pi**ed offness we have with it & tbh time has been ticking for things to have improved or changed how long do u leave it ??? - when back in conference again or blue square thingy.

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One of them things? ... so we should just accept it?

Not when Phil is on the bench to go at right back and put Leam on the left!!

I wouldnt mind if he has shockers every now and then but its happening regular

Harsh just to blame one player though

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In an ideal world more time would be great but performances need to be better quickly if we are going to keep the no. of current fans, let alone extend it.

I admire your optimism for Graham Branch but as far as I'm concerned he is past it, is picked on the basis of his "big name" and is simply cashing in before retirement. It annoys me that he is played when we have a better alternative on the bench in Phil Edwards. That's what I mean when i say Coleman is clueless, logic would tell me that if a player was playing consistantly bad over a no. games then change it around- give Edwards a run out. Can't understand why Leighton was brought off, his pace could have really opened up the 10 men.

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When you think back to Paul Cook he was past it speed wise and not one of my favourites... BUT he did give it a lot of effort..Branch just did not give any effort....

Never heard a song like "WE got graham branch iiioooo you got not a lot iiiooo" ????

Lets have a BIG sort out, come ERIC i am sure this is where you are 100% the right man for the job, Get shut of the wasters and get some grafters in...

Is toddy not available ??????????????????

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I think following comments made after the game that Mark Roberts should be made aware that we fully appreciate his composure and contributions this season. He has been a rock in Stanley's defence.

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Theres been no rocks - a few stones but no rocks.

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I agree, Mark Roberts has been our best defender this season. Unfortunately he's not a scouser or he could have been made captain for the MK Dons game.