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after so many home defeats and todays pafetic perfomance at mk dons its time for the chop, theres no doubt hes lost it with the players and the gates will no only get lower .its must be time for eric to bring out the axe

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No its not.

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Time to go? It surely is! Some very tough games coming up and coleman as lost the plot and please don't keep saying who will be interested in a club with small wages and no transfer money!! All managers have to start somewhere alot of ex footballers who have made their money and want to try their hand at management would jump at the chance to manage at this level! This is not a league were you can play your mates week in week out no matter how crap they are. Colemans fire as gone out it's time for CHANGE.

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sure is look how well burnley are now playing since a change of management

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Have to admit that I'm starting to have second thoughts on Mr Coleman.Things are becoming far to regular with the general thrust of the descriptions I read on Stanleys performances.

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Well i for one aint happy about Colemans management atm, Rocky williams had a very poor match wednesday night & previous matches to that, Coleman slated him in this weeks observer saying he's to earn his place after disappointed performances blah blah as quote
.....................what happens.....

Today he's playing from start, add insult to injury is captain & surprise surprise got a booking as well - all very predictable indeed - Coley did what i expected him to do not what he'd said he's do!!!!!

Is that ingredients for a good manager or is it lost the plot - i think the latter !! & have i proven the point yet :rolleyes:

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Dont quote me on this but i cant see him being there much longer if the current trend continues, as the fans will eventually turn from for to against, it doesn`t matter what he has done in the past, the fans will not continue to pay good money to watch the current sh**e, the tide is already turning, it wasn`t long ago when he had roughly 90% of the regulars on here for him but they are now slowly but surely starting to go the other way, and once the die hard fans start to call for the manager to go it will only be a matter of time before he does, because once you have lost the faithful then you have lost full stop.
I, like many others think they have done a fantastic job for Stanley but with the current selections and tactics i to now have my doubts as to wether they are up to it anymore, another home defeat with a sh**e preformance and no commitment or effort will only confirm that they have lost it, because if the players were taking any notice of what they were being told then they would be responding to it on the pitch, if they are not that can only mean they are no longer listening to the management which is not good for the club or the fans, so something will have to change.

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There is no way stanley will find a manager with the same local knowledge, contacts and ability.

despite all the rubbish and dissapointment, its still far to early into the season.

I like a fair few thought the play offs was on the card this season. But in all honesty I accepted mid table as a good accomplishment for a club Accys size in their 2nd season back in the league; especially after William Hill had us down as 5/2 favourties for the drop.

If we are fighting relegation again with 3 games to go - then ask the question. But the performances at Wycombe and Bradford give me enough confidence to back Coleman and Bell.

Their is alot of talent in the conference and conference north desperate for a shot at the football league. Lets hope he gambles and brings in a few of the younger ones.

Old journeymen who are half interested like Carden, Miles and Branch should be the first to go.

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I've seen this a few times now and wondered about the relevance of local knowledge. Should he not be thinking outside the local area. I would have thought the local thing is restrictive ?

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If you play poor wages, have a limited appeal to football league players (eg, stanley arent exaclty building a new stadium or have a grand vision which people can buy into) and are located up in east lancashire - you are generally limited to players from the region.

Dont get me wrong, some players will relocate. But its more likely to be non league players who want to use Accy as a stepping stone or to get their chance in the football league who would bother (aka roscoe, authur, webb).

Its essential we pick up lads who want to prove themselves rather than over paid journeymen who are just as happy to be playing for a mansfield, notts county, brentford, mortgage company.

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I was at the game at MK Dons today and we were truly appalling - the worst Stanley performance I have ever seen. MK Dons ran rings round us and I think it was 75 minutes before we even had a shot on goal.

At the start of the season, with the win against Wycombe, I thought things were looking up. Now I am not at all sure - and Wycombe lost 6-0 at Stockport today, whilst Bradford City have been woeful this season overall. I really wonder if those performances were really as good as they seemed at the time, or were we simply searching for that silver lining in the cloud ? :eek:

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I think most fans only expected mid table, but its not that we aren`t fighting for a play off place thats upsetting people its they way in which the lads are conducting themselves on the pitch and the team selections and tactics that are.
We all love Stanley and thats the problem, we want them to show the same passion as we do, and when week in week out they dont, we feel let down.

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Play-offs??? Let's be realistic. Anything above the relegation places will always be a bonus for Accrington.

I've seen relegation in the past and I've seen season after season of mid-table mediocrity, so losing is nothing I can't handle. The thing that gets to me is not the inadequacy of the players (you work with what you can afford), but it's the lack of willingness to change and to adapt.
It's the same old thing with Stanley every game. Where's the variety in our play? When will we see something from the training ground at set-pieces and corners? What the hell are they doing all day?

I know that you can't overload lower quality players with complicated tactics, but anyone can learn 3 different corner routines, or be able to pass accurately to a player on their own side.

4 points from the last 18 is disappointing (plus the FA Cup defeat), but it's not enough for me to question the manager. However, when you look at his signings for this season and the number that now don't even get a game anymore, then he has to stand up and be accountable. The same goes for the lack of motivation and the inability to build a defence, that has been inadequate for years.

Maybe I'm just disillusioned with the whole thing (as I've said in another thread) and need a break from it all. I've always gone to watch Stanley, but if I didn't have a season ticket, I probably wouldn't be there on Saturday.

(Don't even get me started on the running of the club. I heard stories on Wednesday that made my hair curl!!! ;) )

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Posted in error, sorry

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OK, Coley has quite rightly come in for a lot of criticism in many different areas - his tactical faults, his near-suicidal insistence on playing Williams match after match, no matter how many errors he makes and much, much more. But if we get rid of him, will his replacement be able to do much better in keeping a club in the football league which only attracts an average gate of 1,600 (a full 300 below the average of the next worst supported club)? How will he go on juggling a miniscule playing budget?...or trying to tempt talented players here with a £25k wage when other division 2 clubs are offering £50k+? Will he not end up struggling just as Coley has done?

Yes, it's time for a change at the club, but at a much higher level. It's time that Eric Whalley kept his promise to retire and put the club up for sale at a realistic price. Whether anyone would buy or not remains to be seen but hopefully someone would. Because what this club needs is a totally fresh approach to attracting the local public - new ideas, innovative concepts and fresh initiatives to take us out of the rut we are currently in. If no one did make an offer, then at least, we'd know where we stood, but this present situation where Eric is asking for investment but insisting on keeping control is just not realistic - no one is going to invest on those terms. Eric's worked wonders for Stanley over the past few seasons, but I think it's time he handed over the reins now.

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True point indeed Haz, i've decided im not going to saturdays match & have a break, i simply cannot put myself thro all that agony bad enough listening to it nevermind watching it as i have done, been to every home game & just got to the point that its not worth it & im no sadist hehehehe

Wonder if money talks & the clubs listens, cos the chants & crowd peed offness hasn't heeded warnings!!

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There can be new ideas, innovative concepts, fresh initiatives etc, but ultimately people go to watch a football game to .... watch football. We HOPE our team will win. We know that they might lose because they were outclassed, or they were unlucky, or they suffered some poor refereeing decisions. But, no matter what the outcome, we want to see our team create chances, be inventive, see movement off the ball, and even do basic things reasonably well. (Has anyone noticed the lack of movement by Stanley players at throw-ins, never mind the lack of guile at corners and free kicks?) These do not require a huge budget or talented players earning a huge wage. As others have said in other threads, what happens on the training ground? We do not see any evidence of it on Saturday afternoons (or Wednesday evenings). Maybe another manager could not tempt talented players here - but what about promising players? Let's compare Jay Harris with Branch, Rogers, Grant, Miles. We have Billy Dennehy on loan - are we going to see him given a reasonable chance?

We are sometimes guilty of being too introspective. Let's look around. I know there is a lot of banter and (usually) friendly rivalry but we really ought to consider why, for example, Hereford and Morecambe are currently enjoying more success than we are. Let's hope that, as some have said, this dip in form is only temporary - but the worrying signs have been there for some time.

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Exactly.:)

I dont mind if we lose if the lads have given 100% and played as well as they can, as i`m sure most people dont, its when they turn up and dont seem to play with any passion or idea of what they should be doing that gets people`s backs up.
In the final conference season there was passion and good football to watch, some games we only won through pure determination and grit and guile, Burton springs to mind as it was quite a well balanced game with plenty of effort from both sides and Burton actually at times played some very good football and i thought they probably just edged it, but because the lads never gave up believing they could win, we scored near the death, and took maybe 2 points from the game more than we deserved, but that happened on more than one occassion because the lads gave it their all, its not that we are playing better opposition that we are losing games its because there seems to be no belief from the very outset of a match that they will win, it wouldn`t be so bad if it was just the odd player but it seems to have spread across the entire team, why ?, whats gone wrong with their moral and belief, it`s got to be something thats happening off the pitch, because the fans are still giving it their all and getting behind the lads, but if this lack lustre attitude continues from the players how long will it be before that changes ?, not long, i`m sad to say.

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all out attack 4-4-2 with players who want to give their all and prove themselves.

nothing better to watch win lose or draw.

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I went to M.K. Dons yesterday, along with 69 others, at least half who were Southern based. So about 32 fans travelled from Accy, it was absolutely diabolical to watch. No wonder there were no Ultra's present no flags no singing, the only cheer was an ironic one when we won our first corner deep into the second half. It became a bit of a laughing stock when someone shouted, don't let them score a sixth, or there will be no way back.Coley sat in the dugout most of the game letting J Bell run about in the Tecnical area. The team he put out was absolutely rubbish there is no other word for it. To cap it all he substituted Roberts after 20 mins. What message does that send out to the players? We are two down, to take off a defender and put a midfielder on. We had no stikers on he was playing Craney up front, I know Mullin and Rosco were injured, but where was McGivern he was warming up before the game? It was as though Coley was scatching at straws and just throwing anyone on especially when Whalley and Miles appeared. Maybe he is tactically niave, and it is time for a change. I agree he has done wonders whilst he has been in charge, but time is running out. Maybe that goes for the Chairman as well. We will see.

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Exactly Eric needs to keep to his word and retire he should have 2 years ago. He is too stingy to bankroll use any further.He has done wonder thought.

Theres only one Eric Whalley !

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And to think me and Jeff where slagged off last year for even suggesting such a thing.:rolleyes:

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Shudder to think what the crowd will be on Saturday......

I dont go anymore, cant afford it....When I used to go it was costing me around £30 for me and the lad to go. When you see the same tactics and committment every week, its just so so frustrating. I wouldnt mind if they played there heart out but that happens rarely. nothing ever changes.. Do you think the players realise how lucky they are to be playing professional football? I bet 90% of the people on this forum, including me, would love to play football instead of doing a "normal" job.

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Please tell us more :(

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No.....................

Time to kick arses yes........

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maybe weve hit he low and the only way is up:rolleyes::)its the law of averages we are bound to beat chesterfield:rolleyes:

nothing to lose just give a hundred percent thats all we are asking for:Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane 47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane 47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane 47:

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I dont understand people that arnt going on saturday just to prove we arnt good ... they players knew they wernt good enough when they never got clapped off against rochdale ... get behind the team, management, directors, chairman, barstaff etc etc

Im Stanley through the good AND! bad.

See ya saturday

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come on Reds - now is not the time to abandon ship

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Could it be because they enjoy better support than us, and have done since the start of the season? Morecambe's average gate is 3,200, Hereford's is 3,000 - both approximately double ours. Bigger crowds mean more revenue mean better players. I know Coley could be making better use of the resources he does have, but in the end he will struggle. You cannot run a successful football league club on 1,600 gates - never has been done and never will be. And don't forget, his playing budget is in danger of being cut even further in the future. We have to build a 1,000 seater stand by the end of next season or we will lose our league membership. The other thing everyone's forgotten about is the need to build a permanent police control room by next summer. The council only granted a year's extension of planning permission on the present temporary structure before the season started with great reluctance. Do you see any signs of those projects being undertaken?

The only way Stanley will progress now is if Eric sells to an interested party who can make large-scale investments and redevelop the club to make it a more attractive proposition to the local public. If that doesn't happen, we are fated to perpetually struggle along, hoping for something to turn up.

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Absolutely spot on. He said he'd retire after he'd got Stanley back in the league. No one can question what Eric Whalley has done for this club,lifting us from the obscurity of the Unibond and propel us to where we are now.

But real problems need addressing and quickly. A "rot" seems to have taken hold and this is threatening to undo all of the brilliant work which has been done so far.Recent performances have had a knock on effect on the home attendances. Maybe one of the older supporters who witnessed the demise of '62 would back up what I'm about to say.....

IF the current situation is not addressed and the apathy shown by the local public is not sorted,there is a REAL danger of history repeating itself.Forget about "lightening striking twice in the same place" and all that,for all the best intentions in the world it's simple maths. We cannot expect to continue to survive on the gates we are currently getting. Does anyone on here remember what happened to Maidstone who got into the league (90's I think)and then had to fold due to similiar problems??

I'm not saying it's all doom and gloom, it's just that recent events have brought the underlying problem to the fore.There is serious potential for this club to improve on what has already been achieved. To do this we have to be forward thinking and have the right personell on board to help this goal be achieved. But IF the present situation is not addressed and seriously, it's along the lines of the Ostritch approach and burying our heads in the sand, hoping all this goes away.

This is just MY humble opinion, but as has been suggested earlier on this thread to say "I'm not going to the next home game because of recent events and / or the current situation" is not helping address the situation we currently face. It's just "fueling the flames" so to speak. A true supporter follows His/Her team through thick and thin. We've had the thick,the success,the promotions etc and now we're experiencing the thin.It's not the time to take the Ostritch approach and hope that the problem is sorted without our intervention/support.

As our esteemed manager ( who is under fire at the moment)often quotes:

KEEP THE FAITH

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as far as the club folding is concerned I don't think that would ever happen again to a club of any size above miniscule (North West Counties and below). If you owe money there are fiddles available to ensure you don't pay it. As we don't owe any money we don't have that problem.

The only thing we would suffer would be the ignominy of relegation and possibly going into debt to pay the outstanding (not as this minute but worst case scenario) wages of players we have had to release as we can't afford to pay them.

As we stand at this moment we are financially poor in terms of cash flow but we do not have large debts to service as some clubs do. Imagine if we had borrowed to build the roof, if we had borrowed to sign Evil and Paul Carden - we'd be in a bad state then as we'd have debts and no way of paying them.

We all bang on about wanting this and that but this and that cost money to procure. If we sell a player on for damn good money or if we have a good cup run and draw a big team then maybe we'd have the money to have a little gamble on getting extra backroom staff in to try to increase revenue but until then we have to make do with mending what we have.

Lets all be proud of the fact that this ramshackle team is still halfway up the division with teams below us that spend far more on wages, have bigger crowds, sell more merchandise, have more backroom staff etc.

We may not be an example of speculating to accumulate, and we may not be an example of innovative business development. But what we are is a shining example to every little club below us of what can be acheived with the right men at the right time and the right mindset. Every season we survice at this level is another kick in the teeth for so called bigger clubs below us such as Exeter, Oxford, Rushden, Stevenage, Cambridge. If the inevitable ever happens then at least we had our years in the League, until then we need to buckle up tight and start thinking of ways we can try to improve the situations we face

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Coley has stated that he has the strongest squad that he has ever had. Last Saturday Mully and Roscoe were injured, we have three other strikers on the books , Evil, Browny and McGivern. Evil has be sent to Rochdale to score goals, Browny was in midfield and Leighton McGivern was warming the bench. We started the game with Craney and Boco up front after Stanley went one down Coley changed it, he dropped Boco into midfield and sent Browny up front. At two nil down he took off Roberts and sent on Dennehy and played him on the wing, three nil down at half time. Start of the second half Browny and Boco had been substituted and on came Miles and Whalley. At one time Miles, Whalley and Dennehy were all bunched up on the right wing. I couldn't get depressed at the performance because it was that funny. MK Dons weren't that good a team, any team can only play as well as the opposition let them and on Saturday Stanley let them, face it a pub team would have looked good against Stanley on Saturday. To say that Coley has lost the plot is an understatement it is worse than that, he is clutching at straws. Some people on here say that they will be happy if we just escape relegation but Coley says that the squad we have should be in the play offs at least, well it's about time that he proved it and if he can't then retire. As Bagpuss and I have said before it's time that Eric said goodby as he promised to do and let's have a proper clear out. Only good results will bring back the crowds and I don't think that it it going to happen, but I hope it does. I would love it for Coley and Eric to prove me wrong but time will tell.

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Whos going to come to stanley on colemans wages and do a better job? For me no-one! Im sure coley will learn from this, all managers make wrong decisions! However where 15th and i dont see why people are complaining, just give coley a chance to progress from these games he has lost , btw its only christmas! Plenty of time to turn results round! :) Keep The Faith!!!!!!

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Please tell me what Colemans wages are.
We are 15th and on a downward spiral.
People are complaining because they are paying good money to watch a comedy show.

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We ??? we the fans, we the club or we as a co-joined unit??:confused:

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Well, what a strange weekend. At 2pm on Saturday, I was p----d off as my game had just been called off and we were a little more than an hour away from Milton Keynes. At 4.45pm on Saturday, I was delighted I'd missed the game, and as the weekend wore on, I got angrier and angrier about the result.

However, this website restored my sense of perspective:

Unibond Football League Official Site

When you look at some of the teams in there, such as Radcliffe and Bamber Bridge and remember being outplayed by both under previous management, you realise just what has been achieved by the present management. Perhaps we should make a point of looking at these tables after a defeat.

Yes, we need investment (and if Eric needs to go to get this, then I hope he is sensible enough to do so when the right offer comes in). Yes, we have underachieved in recent weeks, but overall, given where we have come from, the size of the club, the size of the town, the gates, etc. in all honesty, a lot of us would take third from bottom at the end of the season.

There may be an arguement that perhaps JC and JB have been here for too long, but that is the kind of debate that ought to take place at the end of the season, when there is no need to panic and everyone at the club can take stock (and if a change is needed, the new man can bring his own players in).

Little will be achieved by changing managers when we can't sign players due to the transfer window, or shift the players we would presumably need to get off the wage bill before we can sign any new players.

Anyone who thinks we would get a top manager on the playing budget, etc we have here is deluded. I have seen a few people suggest that a "name" as player manager would be a step in the right direction. The problem is, that these days, the "names" already have enough money, so have no desire to put themselves through the stresses and strains of club management. Credit to Ince and Wise (tiresome little gets that they are) for bucking that trend. Paul Cook was a great player (and a good servant to ASFC in his time here) but hasn't exactly shown an aptitude for management. God help us, with our look we'd probably end up with Graham Branch:(!

Think I've gone on more than enough, but I just felt it needed saying.

At the risk of sounding like a certain Scouse ex-schoolteacher, keep the faith.

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Obviously, that should be "with our luck". No excuses and haven't worked out how to edit yet:o

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What is our playing budget, etc please tell me.
Macclesfield managed to get Paul Ince last season.

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We know what has been achieved and we are all very grateful for that. But there is little point in looking back. We want to look forward.

Managers do not only buy and sell - they motivate, they have ideas, they instigate tactics, they organise the individuals into a cohesive unit. In three different games recently, I have heard the 2br commentators saying that the Stanley players appear not to know each other.

We do not expect a "top manager", whatever one of those may be. We want a manager who can do the things I have listed above. An ambitious manager with ideas would suit us fine.

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We are at the league leaders and getting slaughtered at half time! Do we bring on a tenacious little striker to at least try and bring some repectability to the scoreline NO!! we bring on John miles COLEMAN is clueless please go now before you drive all our fans away (whats left of them)!:mad:

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I am PRO Coleman , Saturday was a PIG, both decent stikers were out the best thing to do is forget ,forgive and move on hopefully UPWARDS .

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"I`m sure there`s a simple solution............ Probably involving Triangles" PYTHAGORAS.

All you can do as a true fan is continue to attend as often as you can, give as much vocal encouragement to the team on the pitch as your lungs can muster no matter what, and continue to uphold your 100% of the bargain which the club (chairman, manager and players) must strive to equal.

Saturday was our first proper stuffing since Bristol a year ago, if it were regular you could hold your hands up and say "were crap". But we`re far from it and there`s a lot of quality in the squad and we`ve even seen them all linking up and playing lovely football for odd games and spells. So its soooooooooo blinking annoying when they`re turning out regular toss performances.

It`s all gone downhill since username COLEY made that stroppy post about not reading or posting accyweb again. Maybe that was the real Coley and now he no longer has his finger on the pulse of the hive of football intellect previously available to him.

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Zero couldnt of put it better u have the pulse of the red there:thumbsup:

Where is username coley these days - pondering pythagoras ?? :rolleyes: :D

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i think we are all missing the point .we wouldnt be half peed off if the players were putting some more effort into home games i wouldnt mind losing some games as long as the players were putting the effort in.too many times they just seem to be going through the motions and daydreaming .what we need is the players to focus and give a hundred percent.too many times the players are out of position.its time to get back to basics.let the defenders defend the midfielders set up goals and the strikers to push and penetrate up front:D.how many times does somebody get the ball and he can only pass side-ways or back because there is nobody in the penalty box.if we were going to hump the ball up make sure it is in the penalty box not stuck in midfield and lose possession..stanley can play good on their day so its time for the players to wake up.wakey wakey cmon all we want is 100% effort and more direct to create more chances.....ps and no short corners they are rubbish they are not constuctive enough a pure waste of time and effort:eek:..so cmon stanley get in the box back to basics...:Banane25::Banane25::Banane25::Banane25:: Banane25::Banane25::Banane25::Banane25:cmon stanley get intae them:Banane47::Banane47::Banane47::Banane47:

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Brilliant. Deadpan Accy humour at its best. Just made me laugh for the first time this week. Roll on Saturday...:Banane25:

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I couldn't agree more with everything you've said there. And yes regarding tactics, an average team can do very well playing simple football and we're better then average. No wingbacks just pure and simple wingers. The defence should be looking to hit the channels at every chance (not this straight down the middle stuff we're playing now, it's far to easy to defend), then the winger is on to it and puts the ball in the mixer, obviously if the defender gets there 1st then pressure him and force a throw in, which is thrown into the box. It's not rocket science and percentage football works at this level. We would need to practise set pieces for this to work though as it's blinding obvious we don't do much of that in training (defending or an atackingwise).

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Then, to be blunt, what's the point?:confused: I can't see what is achieved by jettisoning what we have on the off-chance that the next guy will be better (and, by way of example from the club's recent past, I give you Ken Wright, Tony Greenwood and Leighton James:eek:).

If we can't get someone who is better than what we have (and, to be honest, there isn't really anyone of a high calibre available at the moment unless we look at people who've managed far higher up, who will probably be setting their sites higher than a poorly-attended league 2 club), then I for one would resist rocking the boat at this stage.

Perhaps I'm blinkered as I wasn't at Saturday's game, but did anyone realistically expect anything other than defeat? Granted, the manner of the defeat may have been unacceptable, but fifteenth place with two thirds of the season or so left is by no means a disaster.

JEFF - I don't know what our playing budget is any more than you do, however, as far as I am aware, we have yet to pay a fee for a player (with the exception of Roberts) since promotion, and given that gates are low and the board (rightly in my opinion) do not wish to saddle the club with debt, I would assume it is reasonable to assume that the budget is amongst the lowest in the league.

I realise that as an exile and one who rarely attends, many of you may feel my views are less valid than those who have had to sit through the last few non-performances, but I really cannot see the point in pressing the panic button now. In all honesty, if we were going to pay a club employee off at this stage, I suspect Oggy could suggest a more urgent candidate?:)

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Changing your manager can have benefits sometimes - look at the way Burnley are performing now - but on the other hand can be a bigger disaster - look at where Preston are now.

Sometimes sacking the manager is the 'easy' solution but it doesn't always fix the problems.

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Don't you know anything about football Gayle, it's very clear there is nothing wrong with where Preston are now :D:p

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I was at Saturday's game and I didn't expect anything, not after the Rochdale game, but Coley did. In the Telegraph he said that we would see a different Stanley team on Saturday (by way of performance) and if we didn't there would be big changes. Well we did see a different Stanley team on Saturday and, as I have said before, it was that bad it was funny. At half time when the fourth official announced three minutes stoppage time there was a cry of 'Oh no! Please blow the whistle now'. The players made that many mistakes it was laughable. It was like watching a load of school kids all running around and getting nowhere, no organisation, nothing. Fifteenth place with two thirds of the season or so left is a disaster, we are on a downward spiral, falling fast. On Saturday we have Chesterfield at home, they have the best away record in the league - won six, drawn two, and only lost one, is anybody confident of getting a result? I don't think so.

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Which sort of suggests that a change wouldn't do any good at this stage, doesn't it? I think there's a world of difference between being on a downward spiral or losing to bigger and better teams. There are winnable games (home and away) coming up, and players hopefully returning to fitness soon. Perhaps it would be fairer to judge the manager and players then...

I'm only slightly surprised no-one has suggested Terry bleeding Butcher to take over yet...

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We have had winnable games, Bury away, Wrexham home, Notts County home, Rochdale home and what has happened ? We lost the lot. What makes you think that we are suddenly going to start winning these 'winnable' games ?

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Sods law of football means these are the games where nobody turns up and you win 5-0

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Think the main problem is that it rattled too many fans up the wrong way has coleys decisions that it is sitting bad with even the very die hards & thats alarming as i found from a few last night & yes the club should be very concerned about that indeed!!

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There must be some reserve/youth team players bursting to get a chance surely. These hopefuls surely would not let us down in the effort department.

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A change in manager wouldn't change a thing for this club. Tactics have been shoddy of late and there is no doubt that this must change. The point is however that Coleman can change it, given freedom to work. We all know that. Anyone saying otherwise is just saying it for effect.
What can't be changed with the current people in place however, is the club's financial state. New life and some money at the top would give the manager's team the ability to actually work instead of constantly having to cut corners when signing players; thus ending up with over the hill players that no one else wants like Alan Rogers, Graham Branch, John Miles etc.
Coley can do it, given the freedom to work.

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I think everyone is aware of the constraints Coleman is working under, but you don't need money to work on basics at the training ground. Having 4 corner routines, or 3 different freekick routines costs nothing except time and innovation. When was the last time that you were really excited that we'd won a corner?

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It's true, Coleman's tactics have yet to develop to a standard where we can use what we have to the full in League 2. You would have to be blind to think otherwise. However I do not believe that Coleman is, as others have remarked, stuck in his ways. I think he is more than capable of doing the job properly given adequate backing from the top (adequate as in parallel with the standard we are supposed to be playing at).
With the remark about training, constantly moving training grounds for daft reasons doesn't help, though it isn't an excuse for lax methods of play.
Given a fair chance, ie at least to the end of next season, Coleman can gain the experience required to do us proud - but only if his employers allow him to.

One of my main worries will Stanley become just another League team with a rotation of 3 managers per year, never really achieving anything, merely surviving, until there is no more worse teams below you and the Conference comes a-knockin'.
Stability is essential, however I realise that stability can become stale and new things must be done. I don't believe for one second that changing our management will bring about the tactical haven that everyone dreams of.

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Last season, not case with this one as i've had my head in my hands cringing:rolleyes:

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Oh, by the way, Terry bleeding Butcher is available. :confused::confused::confused:

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What makes you think that? ;)

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I`ll still be there on Saturday to give the lads some support, even though i`ve had to fight hard as the wife wanted to go Xmas shopping, but after all the doom and gloom of the last week i wanted to be there.
Unfortunately though all the work i`ve done at getting none Stanleys fans down to the FES as all now been a waste of time as i can`t persuade any of the people that have been down (most on numorous occasions) to come down, all for reasons that have been brought up in this thread, they dont want to spend money on watching (here`s a few quotes from them) "crappy predictive football" "No i`m not going again for a while cos the last two times i`ve been they were shocking" (Wrexham and Notts County)
I`ve done my level best to get people to go down Stanley, but with coming from Barnoldswick it`s not been easy as most are either Burnley or Leeds fans, but i`ve done ok over the years as i`ve managed to get quite a lot of people to go, the funny thing is that it was easier to get people to go when we were in the Conference ?, the ones that have been since we`ve been in the league didn`t enjoy it as much and said that they would go again when they were back in the conference.
But i`m not going to give up even though i`ll have my work cut out.

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MMMmmmm i think u just jinxed that lol.....................maybe hold on coley, seems even new managers have problems with home matches :eek::eek::eek: erm i shall tread carefully they'll be disappointed faces here soon:rolleyes:

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Both the Sheffield clubs have shocking home records this season and I heard a Chesterfield fan complain yesterday that they had not won at home since September. Unfortunately that and their high league placing says all we need to know for Saturday about their away form.

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Blimey seems a theme going on with footy clubs home performance in comparison with away ones which they seem to do much better at:confused:

So its not just us:rolleyes: tho still think coley needs to get his tactical arse in gear.

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So, you'll be even more pleased now QPR have won. ;)

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There's always a silver lining Oggy :D

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Got mine cut out then bringing seven non Stanley fans of a group of eleven to the Shrewsbury Game:eek:

I am looking forward in a strange way to this Saturday:confused:

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Helping two teams off the bottom in one week, that's real Christmas spirit. :)

Coyle, "I thought I heard Stevie Wonder in the stands shouting for a penalty. "
Can anyone make sense of this? :confused: Dave?

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apparently in the awful ref stakes the guy at turf moor yesterday won running backwards in a blindfold! Burnley had a cast iron penalty appeal turned down hence the coyle quote above.

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Sounds about right. Ironically the only thing he got right was our first red card for which the foul would probably be better classed as attempted murder :rolleyes:. However in a court of law the young lad who got sent off would probably have got a slapped wrist for reacting under severe provocation and the referee would have been arrested for helping somebody to commit a crime :D. Worst one I have ever seen and I'm usually a defender of referees having been one.:(

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Thanks, I understand why, it's just a nonsense thing to say, but I suppose most football managers talk a lot of balls. ;)

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i reckon they must have a book of stupid quotes to select from.....

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Possibly it's not totally the players fault when they don't understand what they have to do on a Saturday afternoon, after a week of mangled metaphors. :)

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win win win at all costs .win the ball win the match:D:p

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