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K.S.H 16-01-2008 19:30

Fearon
 
Is it time for Fearon to have a start - what do you think

K.S.H 16-01-2008 19:57

Re: Fearon
 
4 - 2 at the min, reminding me of last night, hope it doesn't get to 8 - 2 :)

Tin Monkey 16-01-2008 21:14

Re: Fearon
 
Fearon isn't the answer to the problem. He's a decent shot-stopper, but any 'keeper above the North West Counties is one of those.

shakermaker 16-01-2008 21:19

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Don't think it's his time yet. Besides a change of keeper won't solve anything.
The problem we have is the fact that our two fit 'keepers and one returning from long-term injury have no specific training regime from a designated goalkeeping coach.

Very tinpot.

maccawozzagod 16-01-2008 21:20

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I see it more a case of give him the experience. He'd learn a lot coming into a team that is down on morale. Give the lad his debut or its pointless him being here.

Whatever you think of Dunbavin he has conceded 13 goals in 3 games and he should be taking charge of the area and his defence and making things happen. He's a good lad and looked thoroughly depressed last night as he did at Stockport. Thats not the mindset he needs to be in.

maccawozzagod 16-01-2008 21:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 518030)
Very tinpot.

if it was a tin pot the handle would probably fall off

shakermaker 16-01-2008 21:27

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I don't think it's right to demand Bavs to be sidelened for conceding a vast number of goals - when his training regime has been swept from under his feet! Blaming Bavs for his mistakes since Willcock left would be like blaming strikers for not scoring when they're not allowed to have shooting practice.

We all saw the improvement in Bavs' game on the appointment of Willcock. The buck stops with whomever wanted Willcock out.

Oldgobbin 16-01-2008 21:35

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No amount of coaching would turn Bavs into a good keeper. He's a half-decent shot stopper and that's as far as it goes. Look at his past record - it speaks for itself - and I'm sure I'm not alone in nearly having kittens every time our opponents get a corner - that hasn't changed since his disastrous extended spell last year. He needs to be replaced urgently - if not by Fearon then by someone on an emergency loan until Kenny comes back>

shakermaker 16-01-2008 21:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldgobbin (Post 518049)
No amount of coaching would turn Bavs into a good keeper. He's a half-decent shot stopper and that's as far as it goes. Look at his past record - it speaks for itself - and I'm sure I'm not alone in nearly having kittens every time our opponents get a corner - that hasn't changed since his disastrous extended spell last year. He needs to be replaced urgently - if not by Fearon then by someone on an emergency loan until Kenny comes back>

You really didn't notice any improvement whatsoever in Bavs' performances with Willcock as coach? He has had some nothing short of outstanding games for us this season in my opinion.

Grimps 16-01-2008 21:49

Re: Fearon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 517937)
Is it time for Fearon to have a start - what do you think

yes let him have a game why have him on bench not 2 wom it 4 kenny
:mosher:

lancsdave 16-01-2008 22:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 518062)
You really didn't notice any improvement whatsoever in Bavs' performances with Willcock as coach? He has had some nothing short of outstanding games for us this season in my opinion.

Even if Wilcock had stayed could Bavs improve any more ( I'm not judging him because I don't see him play very often ). Wilcock only left a few weeks ago so I wouldn't think Bavs has forgotten what he has been coached so far. The only thing I could think that would be different week to week would be analysing the previous game and picking out the faults.

In general most keepers when they have a few years experience tend not to improve on a particular aspect of their game no matter how long they play, therefore they make the same mistakes game after game. Even the England keepers are recognised as having various shortcomings and never seem to improve on them.

I don't know the set up but I would have thought a full time defensive coach with perhaps a one day a week keeping coach would be better. After all the keeper is part of the defense and they should operate as a unit.

dabeast 16-01-2008 22:13

Re: Fearon
 
definately time to give the lad the experience. taking into account the improvements to bav's game with willcock (and decline in confidence since his departure), dunbavin still does not command the area and his distribution (kicking to mullers) is still poor. fearon would at least mix it up a bit and maybe throw it out our kick more accurately and its got to be worth the gamble. even if none of the goals in the last few games were the keepers fault (ie the defence were to blame) there is probably still nothing to lose. fearon has a brighter future at stanley. give him a chance

sparkie 16-01-2008 22:27

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the point to be made about Wilcock or indeed Dibs and any goalkeeping coach is that you aren't just there to teach them technique and and help them improve as players, you're there to work on their mindset and confidence and the whole psychology of it all. I know this sounds utter b*****ks but goalies are a completely different breed to other footballers, you have to have a certain amount of imbalance of the mind, (I should know!!!) it's what enables you to make that split second decision to throw yourself headfirst at someones feet and not think that you have every chance of getting your head booted to third bloke on the left standing 6 rows back behind the goal, who'll probably drop it anyway!!! A goalie coach understands this and keeps the mind in the right state of imbalance, so as to produce the best possible performance from the goalie.

Both Willcock and Dibs made great strides with bavs and his mental readiness for games, however Bavs is one of those goalies that needs the coach to talk things through with to regain his equilibrium and build him up for the next game. Neither Coley or Jimmy can offer this as they have no idea what its like to be a goalkeeper in pressure situations, when it's down to just you, and no-one else as to what happens next. Its hard on the mind.

As far as Fearo goes when his time does come, be it saturday against Brentford or next season, I have every faith in him to perform to his absolute best, and do us and the team proud. But he will also be missing not having a goalkeeping coach as he is still learning as a goalie and needs someone to guide him on the way forward.

dabeast 16-01-2008 22:32

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if bavs needs so much mental support and cant use the fans to motivate himself for games without someone to hold his hand then it must be time to replace him.

lancsdave 16-01-2008 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkie (Post 518110)
you have to have a certain amount of imbalance of the mind, (I should know!!!)

Fair comment :tongueout

DAV007 16-01-2008 22:48

Re: Fearon
 
With the best intentions, Bavs has only showed glimpses of being a long term answer between the sticks.

With Bavs there is still an application problem IMO.
His attitude. He still thinks he is better than league 2 and ASFC. If his attitude improved, then I think this would improve his game.
Dont get me wrong, he is not the only one.

I want Dunbavin to be a world beater.
I want him to keep clean sheets every game and to really improve.
But I just cant see it.
He is better than last year - but I very much doubt you would gain promotion with Ian as your regular number 1.

As for Fearon, most people I have asked about him seem to think he has a real natural ability. My main negative would be his physical frame. It's not fully developed and looks small by goalkeeping standards.

JEFF 17-01-2008 10:38

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Will the people calling for Fearon to replace Dunbavin please tell me how many games they have seen Fearon play and what aspects of his game are better than Dunbavin's.

Oldgobbin 17-01-2008 10:58

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Jeff, I have not seen Fearon play, and I accept that he may be no better than Dunbavin. However, I have seen Dunbavin play many times and I think there are far too many aspects of his game which are just not up to standard. If Fearon turns out not to be the answer, then they should bring in someone else who is, until Kenny returns

Stanleymad 17-01-2008 11:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldgobbin (Post 518228)
Jeff, I have not seen Fearon play, and I accept that he may be no better than Dunbavin. However, I have seen Dunbavin play many times and I think there are far too many aspects of his game which are just not up to standard. If Fearon turns out not to be the answer, then they should bring in someone else who is, until Kenny returns

Bring back Robbie Elliot:D:D:D:D:D

sparkie 17-01-2008 12:18

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I have seen Fearo play a number of times, his kicking is better than Bavs', his shot stopping is about the same, but due to his slightly smaller stature his command of the area is probably his weakest area, although he has come on leaps and bounds in the last few months in this area.

Jesus_was_A_red_ 17-01-2008 12:28

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I dont think fearon will be the answer. BUT Dunbavin certainly isnt so as the only other keeper available and the large amount of goals ID is conceding then I say give him a chance he cant be much worse surely.
We need a loan keeper if kenny is nowhere near comeback.

JEFF 17-01-2008 12:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus_was_A_red_ (Post 518256)
I dont think fearon will be the answer. BUT Dunbavin certainly isnt so as the only other keeper available and the large amount of goals ID is conceding then I say give him a chance he cant be much worse surely.
We need a loan keeper if kenny is nowhere near comeback.

So you are saying give him a chance but you don't think he is the answer. How many times have you seen him play to come to this conclusion ?

Alvin the chipmunk 17-01-2008 13:05

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I have been to quite a few reserve games this season and have been mainly impressed by Martins shot-stopping, command of his defence etc. But his size still seems to be a problem, and everybody knows the mental pressures of playing in the Football League are far different to reserve games.

JEFF 17-01-2008 14:47

Re: Fearon
 
I too have been impressed with his shot-stopping ability, but his positional sense, decision making and command of his area leave a lot to be desired. Although we have doubts about Dunbavin's postional sense, decision making and command of his area he is more experienced. Unfortunately I don't think there would be anything to gain by replacing Dunbavin with Fearon.

Oldgobbin 17-01-2008 17:56

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If that's the case, Jeff, and I don't doubt what you say for one moment, then let's use the savings on Evil's wages to replace him, short-term, with someone else!

Jesus_was_A_red_ 17-01-2008 20:46

Re: Fearon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 518266)
So you are saying give him a chance but you don't think he is the answer. How many times have you seen him play to come to this conclusion ?


He might do better than Dunbavin. Because Dunbavin reached his peak playing in the conference.
I will stick my neck out and say he is nowhere near the physical presence needed to be a GOOD goalie professionally. Thankfully for him and many coppers height isnt always judged now as a MUST. Look at arthur best keeper i have seen in a stanley shirt by the length of the m6.
Dunbavin is that poor I would consider putting Robbie Williams in, he seems to play every other position just to get his name on the team sheet.


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