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the reason i think we get low crowds is because we have done the fairytale ending , getting back into the league , and thats as far as we will get with our set up . hope am wrong but i think the people who use to come when we where trying for the unibond title ect .. know this hense see no point in coming now .

Its many factors. 13 pounds is too much to watch stanley is the general public answer. Rovers is 15 pounds every home game except the big 4 and if you didnt know majority of accrington support either rovers burnley man utd and liverpool id say 70,000 divided by 1,000 tells you 1 in every 70 accrington residents support stanley. In the past myself included have stated that youth is the key factor for building the club, 'the fans of tomorrow' yet i think if the parents support the 4 mentioned above who are the kids going to follow?
maybe trying to entice the arm chair united and liverpool because majority are in accrington, but they say 13 pounds is too much to watch stanley. Round and round. Good players, good form, good publicity, good fa cup runs all put more on stanleys gates. Sad but its true and its the same at almost every single club.

Accrington wanted a cinema...Accrington want a league team.....well we have em both and there both going to the wall because of low attendance...........accrington had a tory mp in the midst of the 30s depression.......perhaps its us eh?

its called apathy .......;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 531853)

its called apathy .......;)

This about sums it up...

But for me apart from a handfull most clubs are struggling Bury Rochdale The Rovers Bolton all are north west clubs over charging and not offering value for money, most fans i know are on low income and cant afford £13 or whatever price it is we live in a low income area where only the diehards will fork out the cash.

Burnley recently had some good gates with fans incentive's correct me if i'm wrong here but didnt they allow season ticket holders to bring a mate for a fiver ?? i know we have low season ticket sales so it wouldnt make much difference but incentive schemes do work.

Apathy... yeah that about sums it up.

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Originally Posted by Give us the old gree (Post 531860)

This about sums it up...

Burnley recently had some good gates with fans incentive's correct me if i'm wrong here but didnt they allow season ticket holders to bring a mate for a fiver ??

We have recently had three matches where season ticket holders got 2 free tickets for each match, hence the higher attendances. Will be back to normal next home match.

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Originally Posted by Give us the old gree (Post 531860)

i agree with the price as well but we are the cheapest in the league,its syphoned down from the greed league

Nobody can compete with the Premier League for the draw of big name players.

But Rovers this season tried to entice the fans with ridiculously low season ticket sales, it didn't really work. They got an extra 2000 season ticket holders by nearly halving the price. For the princely sum of £300 (£21 more than our Clayton End ticket) you have the dubious honour of sitting at the back few rows behind concrete pillars etc etc. The public have voted with their feet and the attendances have gone up by about 12% having knocked about 40% off the price. Cheaper tickets have not worked in that example.

We could advertise the fact that we have the cheapest match day tickets in the entire Football League and that may get a few more on but what would we have lost financially in doing so? We'd have to knock £3 off the price for the Clayton End to sell the 'cheapest ticket in the league' at a tenner. Average 500 people? So we would need an extra 150 people on that end EVERY week to reach break even figure on a below break even attendance. It is do-able I reckon.

IMHO there are a couple of real incentives we should offer.

1. £10 adult ticket - £5 concession keep it simple and don't try to confuse anyone with more pricing than necessary
2. Kid for a quid - every week without fail, member or not. It is too confusing for people to have to remember to go and register then collect their tickets each week. Most people can't be arsed and to say that 300 kids have registered is just nonsense and is bending statistics to suit. My kids were 'Junior Reds' this season and last but I have still not taken them to a game and neither have they received any correspondence through the post. Just charge a quid over the gate and be done with - let the FITC take care of data collating with their work in the schools.
3. Advertise the bloody prices! We know how much it costs and there is a piece in the paper at the very start of a season BUT THE REST OF THE TOWN HAS NO IDEA!!!!!!!!!!! Back of buses, leaflet drops via the paper, adverts in the paper, billboards, leaflet in every carrier bag at ASDA etc. Every thousand pound spent on advertising needs only to bring 10 people to 10 games to break even. If the club won't have a marketing budget then maybe the OSC should make it their agenda?

We could put 500 people on the gate without too much effort,, but bleating about poor attendances won't do that, begging on the website or in the programme won't do that, we need to tell the people of Accrington what they are missing.

4. Season tickets - A Clayton End ticket would cost £230 for the 23 home games next season assuming we stay up and don't get promoted. Charge £230 but offer a free shirt with every ticket! and a scarf! It doesn't cost the club £40 for a shirt or £7 for a scarf so use the profit margin on that as the discount on the ticket. First rule of discount is to try to give 'goods to the value of' instead of the actual money. Advantages being more definite 'sales' on those items that might just allow us better pricing for larger amounts, and the distinction of having more people actually wearing our colours. How many of our home crowd actually wear a Stanely scarf? less than a quarter is how many, take a look around next home match and tell me I'm wrong. We need to display the colours.

So in short, a family of four can watch the Reds for £22. Maybe even bung it up to £25 for a family of four ticket but put in some sort of meal deal worked out with the vans. 4 burgers and 4 cokes (£16.80 matchday resale value but a fiver in cost value) and four match tickets for £25? I'd buy one meself but not bring em just fer t'extra grub!! You couldn't get saturday afternoon entertainment anywhere else for that kind of money.

Also, we have to bring the cost of merchandise down, it's just too expensive. Community clubs like ours can't survive by being based on a bottom line %GP. We need to rely on bulk turnover to create a net profit rather than small turnover large profit. 400 shirt sales at £40 £16k turnover)or 600 at £30 (£18k turnover)? the first one might produce a profit of £8000 and the second only £6000, but the bigger picture is not in short term figures it is in having 200 extra people wearing red and white and walking around town advertising the product. People of Accrington need to start feeling left out if they are not Stanley fans, Stanley fans need to start becoming the majority over Rovers fans and Burnley fans. Only when the branding takes place will the town of Accrington start to become a Stanley town. When it becomes a Stanley town then local businesses will back us more as it is in their interest not to back Rovers or Burnley. Also, back on the topic of pricing, most fans I have spoken to have said that they feel like they are being rippe doff by the high prices of goods but would probably buy a lot more if a) they could get in the shop on matchday and b) if the prices were more realistic. But again, advertise the products a little more. I wonder how many of the crowd never go in the club shop? hand some leaflets out with the product range on it. £150 for 10000 leaflets full colour A5 printed both sides, its hardly a fortune so push it

We need to start aggressively marketing the club, not just within but also outside of the club, but to do this successfully you need to ahve something to attract the people, something for them to spend on whilst they are here, and something to keep them here.

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 531937)

We need to start aggressively marketing the club, not just within but also outside of the club, but to do this successfully you need to have something to attract the people, something for them to spend on whilst they are here, and something to keep them here.

Without having read the small print, another totally sensible, totally committed, post from Rob (aka maccawozzagod).

One of my mates at work said to me yesterday, "Why haven't the club marketed themselves, they've got a great name".

As I fell to the floor, I managed to spit out, "tell me about it". :o

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Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 531949)

"Why haven't the club marketed themselves, they've got a great name".

I've been saying this for the last 15 years. Sadly, the present heirarchy at the club don't want to know!

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 531953)

I've been saying this for the last 15 years. Sadly, the present heirarchy at the club don't want to know!

thats the bit thats really sad, over 10 yrs ago when i got me bar in spain, EVERY british punter that came in n asked me where i was from soon as i said ACCRINGTON,the reply was always ACCRINGTON STANLEY, majority of population knows who they are n they are too inept to use it.:(

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 531953)

I've been saying this for the last 15 years. Sadly, the present heirarchy at the club don't want to know!

The return to the league was a license to print money. :(:(:mad:

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Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 531959)

The return to the league was a license to print money. :(:(:mad:

Sadly our printer is broke :confused:

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 531937)

Top quality post.... nuff said

Im telling u ,when i get moved to accy im going to leaflet drop houses in the area to get there asses to the match!!!

Has anyone asked the people of Accrington why they don't go ? Maybe the leaflets should actually be questionnaires and be collected again after ?

I have been known to go on to the occasional match, my last one was against Wrexham so I have answered my own question why I haven't been since. :(

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 532036)

This is a good point, if the club doesn`t know why people aren`t attending then how can they even begin to entice the punters in, its ok Coleman and Whalley whinging that people aren`t coming but are they supplying what the people want, if not then they will never get them through the turnstile.
When they let people in for free against Torquay it proved that people made the effort to come, and at least there was some interest among the people of Accrington, now we all know you can`t keep letting people in for free, but it should have been a pointer that people were prepared to come, its just finding the balance of how much people are prepared to pay and how much the club can let people in for whilst still making enough money to keep the club afloat.

I think most people agree that £13 is to much to pay for what they are actually getting.
£10 then £11 in conference was a good deal, and not only that (apart from the roof) the facilities have not improved, infact the whole experience of a trip to the FES is not as good, because no matter which stand you wanted to stand in you could still use the bar and just walk out before kick off onto the terrace, and you were free to swap ends at half time to stand behind whichever goal Accy were attacking, i know this is not allowed in the league but its been for the worse not the better.
I think people will see it as they are paying more but not actually getting anything more for their money.
I also think £8 for juniors is way to much, you have a lot of teenagers that are either still at school or college that just simply can not afford that, and coupled with our poor home record this season who wants to pay what is a lot of money to them just to see a team that is under performing.
There is no simple answer to the problem but things will need to be done otherwise things will not get any better.

why doesnt eric set the OSC a challenge.

sell 2,000 season tickets - and ill drop the price!

worked for bradford.

yeah but bradford already had a massive following anyway... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 532076)

why doesnt eric set the OSC a challenge.

sell 2,000 season tickets - and ill drop the price!

Split over how many seasons ? :)

yes bradford do - but if we could sell 2,000 season tickets (its not an impossible number - i could sell another 8 if the price was right) it would be a great way of getting the town behind the team.

its just an idea.

You have to make season tickets worth buying. At the moment a season ticket holder only saves approximately the price of 2 games by buying a ticket up front. By dropping the price of season ticket to under £200 (£198 would be £9 per game) it would encourage more people to pay up front. Options to pay in installments would also help many people, although a slight price increase would be incurred for doing this.

With a season ticket the club would have the cash upfront, whereas by sticking to charging people per game means that when results are poor or the weather is bad, people may choose not to turn up.

installments is a good idea but I think if we saw that idea implemented it would have to be over 3-4 months rather than 10-12 due to our season ticket system. Some clubs have the epos type systems where you swipe a card (can be configured to give loyalty points etc), if they are behind on their payments it refuses the card. Because we give the ticketed books then the whole lot would have to be paid for before the ticket is issued.
A mate of mine used to pay for his Rovers ticket at a cost of £25 per month over 12 and it effectively meant that he was paying an average of £12.50 per game, albeit also paying during the summer when there was no game. He was paying less than me!

I think we all agree that direct debits would be the way to go but what price would you charge for the season ticket?

£200? (£16 per month)
£230 inc free shirt? (£19 per month)
half price Cup tickets?

I know its like a salesman asking you how much discount you want but we need to be objective. How much should we be paying? I don't mind paying £13 but the public obviously do. Would a tenner really make a difference?

Some good ideas coming through here from Macca, Dav007, TM and others...problem is, will the club listen?

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 532083)

Options to pay in installments would also help many people, although a slight price increase would be incurred for doing this.

I pay for mine at the Turf that way. It is run through a credit company so they make a charge but I still get 5 or 6 free games. Not sure if the credit company pay the club up front, they should do as the debt effectively belongs to the credit company.

How about a novel idea, pay a tenner to get in and then chuck some money in to a bucket on the way out if you think you have had value for money. A lot of empty buckets at the end of each match might actually make the powers that be sit up and take notice ;):)

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 532087)

I think we all agree that direct debits would be the way to go but what price would you charge for the season ticket?

£200? (£16 per month)
£230 inc free shirt? (£19 per month)
half price Cup tickets?

I know its like a salesman asking you how much discount you want but we need to be objective. How much should we be paying? I don't mind paying £13 but the public obviously do. Would a tenner really make a difference?

Reckon £200 would be about right. Free shirts are all very well, but not everybody wears replica shirts.

As for match day prices, I think a tenner is the psychological barrier. I work with a Burnley fan who used to go regularly when it was £10 or under. He goes very rarely now. He was quite happy to slap a tenner down at the turnstiles, but now he has to get his hand in his pocket for more cash, he reckons it's a step too far.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 532089)

How about a novel idea, pay a tenner to get in and then chuck some money in to a bucket on the way out if you think you have had value for money. A lot of empty buckets at the end of each match might actually make the powers that be sit up and take notice ;):)

I like that idea, Dave, but it'd take someone with a lot of bottle to walk round with buckets after some of our recent matches!

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 532099)

I like that idea, Dave, but it'd take someone with a lot of bottle to walk round with buckets after some of our recent matches!

Can't see the problem myself, 15 or 16 volunteers should do it and most teams have a warm down after the game :D

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 532104)

Can't see the problem myself, 15 or 16 volunteers should do it and most teams have a warm down after the game :D

This idea gets better and better...although I would also add Stanleymad and Harwood Red to the bucket squad as "enforcers"! ;)

If they ran the membership card for the season ticket then they wouldnt have to keep printing ticket books. The membership card could keep going year after year. The only thing would be getting a computer system to cover the all the entrances. Thing is thats nowt really will recommend one computer system they dont buy though.

forged stanley membership cards:D

We hve to get into the realms of where Burnley & Blackburn are when it comes to Season Tickets we do not have the T.V. Money of our Bigger neighbours, but if we pitch in at the correct price and undercut them then we might just have a chance. I think the 2000 figure that Davo suggested is achievable but it needs to be supported by a clever marketing campaign which does not neccesarily have to cost a fortune. It is something that the Club are looking very closely at and hopefully will lead the way with:)

wrong cmon. The system where i work has membership cards - just like osc membership cards. Thing is there is a webcam which takes your picture which is taken when we give you the membership card when we swipe the membership card the photo comes up. If your photo dont match with the person handing the card over - refused entry.

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Originally Posted by Pendle Red (Post 532248)

Realistically any price cut will only increase the attendance by a few. The most important thing that makes people go to football matches in bigger numbers is success on the field. Special offers a couple of times a season will attract a few more for those games. Low prices all season will only take the club in one direction UNLESS funds come from another source.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 532388)

Dont agree totally on the success on the field comment.At Norwich you pay for your season ticket over 8 months,kids tickets are cheaper than at Stanley and the ground is really comfy,and apart from the last 10 games or so we have played dreadful football for the last 2-3 years.And somehow it is still difficult to get a ticket as 25000 still turn up every week.

I'd love somebody like Mr Khan to stump up a 1/4 of a mill to replace gate money for one season - offer free entry all year to anyobdy who has purchased a shirt!!

that'd me out this season though :o

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Originally Posted by norwich stanley (Post 532434)

I'm sure if Stanley was in the back of beyond and had nobody within 500 miles to compete with they would probably get full houses as well :D

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 532439)

I'm sure if Stanley was in the back of beyond and had nobody within 500 miles to compete with they would probably get full houses as well :D

not quite correct,ipswich, just down the road,n colchester aint a million miles away. though the pull of colchester aint much to shout about.:D;)

The apathy argument isn’t completely valid. I put together a few stats when there was the debate about crowds last season.

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<O:p</O:pLiving in a metropolis offers a different perspective. Here are the London clubs in League 2 and below, with their borough populations, average attendance so far this season both numerically and as a percentage of the area population. In all these cases, including Hayes & Yeading, the teams are the most senior in their borough. The most senior team in the borough I live, Ealing, is Hanwell Town, a tiny semi-pro club that attract a couple of hundred in a borough of over 300,000 people that has no Football League representation.

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I guess the main thing to get across when we’re beating ourselves up about gates is to realise just how small Accrington is compared to some of these places. At our level of football, the vast majority of our support is going to come from the locality, yet if Barnet attracted the same proportion of their local population as us, then their average gate would be over 9,000. The proportion of Hyndburn’s population who come to Stanley regularly is actually more akin to League 1 levels, such as Leyton Orient, whose average of 5,300 works out at 2.4% of Waltham Forest’s population. And we have just the same problems as these London clubs in that there is Premiership and Championship football available close by.
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I’m not arguing that we should be happy with our current gates, for we are clearly on the edges of Football League sustainability, but this does offer some perspective and suggests that Accrington is not exactly apathy-central. I agree with much of what Rob says, especially about establishing a more visual presence in the town, but the club is in an impossible situation trying to undercut Blackburn Rovers’ admission prices. They are being vastly subsidised by Sky. Even Burnley will be in receipt of around £1.2 million of Sky money this season. In the face of this quite unlevel playing field, it’s quite a risk to drop your prices when we are barely subsisting as we are. One potential downside with a £10 admission offer is that the club would have no choice but to revert to the full prices if the initiative fails to attract the numbers to make it pay, and this would undoubtedly cause more discontent. Perhaps one way round this is to try the initiative for the final few games, or to have a donation facility, so that £10 gets you on the ground, but you can then donate a few quid more if you want to. There have been some excellent ideas put forward on this thread; let’s hope that the club, or the OSC, can see some of through to fruition.

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Phil

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Originally Posted by Pendle Red (Post 532248)

I think the 2000 figure that Davo suggested is achievable but it needs to be supported by a clever marketing campaign

People know my opinion on the gate figures and I happen to believe we are nearer to this 2000 figure that keeps being mentioned. Pendle you want it supported by a clever marketing campaign but we already have a clever counting system. Lancsdave has the answer, people will come if we are winning, that's it bottom line.

ya can do owt with figures, but nevertheless its a very interesting perspective phil.;) agree more will come if yer winning, but thats applicable to any club,the real trick has to be to increase the base.

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Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 532467)

The proportion of Hyndburn’s population who come to Stanley regularly is actually more akin to League 1 levels,

that'll do for me Phil, perhaps this is what Eric and Rob Heys ment when they said we were aiming for league 1? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 532467)

One potential downside with a £10 admission offer is that the club would have no choice but to revert to the full prices if the initiative fails to attract the numbers to make it pay, and this would undoubtedly cause more discontent.

agreed, the proposed kid for a quid has to be a regular thing and we should advertise that as fixed for the next five years or so - which would see next years Year 7 kids through to leaving school as fully fledged Reds, but the adult tickets would have to be with a view to re-raising if it doesn't increase crowds by 300 or so

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Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 532467)

There have been some excellent ideas put forward on this thread; let’s hope that the club, or the OSC, can see some of through to fruition.
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Phil

agreed, lets keep the ideas coming. If you think of something else that could be done then resurrect this thread at any time and add to it - please keep it sensible! The OSC will look to do what it can with regards to any realistic targets that we can shoot at.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 532388)

The one area we miss on and need to capatilise on is Season Tickets if the offer was announced early enough it could give people a chance to save without perhaps having to look at offering payments over a period as you know exactly what you need to pay & when and do it for very limited period and was pitched at the correct price e.g a decent saving on walk on prices then it should work. Like for like in terms of percentages we probably have bigger walk ons than Burnley & Blackburn do and there in lies part of the problem, if Season Ticket sales broke for example 1500 there would potentially be an influx of £200000+ at the right time of the Season when you want to be building a squad from there in you know you have got a minimum potential audience every week for sales of beer, food, programmes and merchandise.:cool:

if stanley were in herefords or morecambes league position the gates would be quite a bit higher. I dont think playing at home on the same weekend help as rovers helps, fans that attended have been alienated, but vice versa if switched around burnley fans would be. It would be interesting to try and alternate stanleys home games to access if there is a difference possibly? Doubt that will ever happen and I doubt fans of either club are going to ditch x amount of years following them. Whereas the people who follow Arsenal and Chelsea? who live in accrington and who have never been and never will could possibly be recruited, and of course the arm chair mancs and scousers. But the fact is these people are fickle and are glory hunters who have probably supported 2 or more teams in there life time, and these are the people that would emerge if stanley was to climb to the highest point of the pyramid. Stanleys fans were stolen in 1962 by burnley and blackburn and generations have spawned. The way stanley were trying to get these fans to adopt there home town club as a 'second team' was a good concept and i believe these make up the numbers when stanley are doing well. I dont think stanley will ever have a mass season ticket sales unless they give them away. Its a hard mind boggeling situation for the club and marketing team. When we played forest and leciester city in the carling cup i expected full houses and i was bitterley dissapointed with the home turnout. And i am of the same belief as bagpuss with regards to true attendances i think they maybe tampered with slightly and if this is what is keeping the club afloat so be it.

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 532076)

why doesnt eric set the OSC a challenge.

sell 2,000 season tickets - and ill drop the price!

worked for bradford.

Bradford sold about 10,000 season tickets at cut price and average between 12,000 to 15,000 each home game, yet in their two home FA Cup games (where fans had to pay) they had 4,069 against Chester and 6,379 against Tranmere.

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Originally Posted by Jesus_was_A_red_ (Post 532600)

I dont think playing at home on the same weekend help as rovers helps, fans that attended have been alienated, but vice versa if switched around burnley fans would be. It would be interesting to try and alternate stanleys home games to access if there is a difference possibly?

I think the decision was probably based on the notion that although they play at home the same weekend as Rovers, a large percentage of those games Rovers play will not be played at 3pm on Saturday afternoon due to Sky.

agree. And that rovers would get further in the uefa cup thus more sunday home games. But even so most people arnt made of money and following one team is expensive enough let alone 2 as I know a few that do.

There must be others, like me, who would gladly buy a season ticket if the cost could be spread out. Not everyone can fork out £200+ at one go so, for me at least, a reduction in actual price doesn't make much difference. A monthly payment scheme would.
As mentioned in other posts, the biggest attraction would be a successful team, but that's out of our hands.

I would too melonhigh, something i've been on about for a while as simply havent got the outlay of cash up front, definately needs looking into as would get more season ticket holders interest.

I think the idea of season tickets is to generate money before the season starts. If the price of the ticket was spread monthly it wouldn't benefit the club in the same way.

But then the club would get a continous flow of cash wouldnt it ????? Not only does the start of the season we need a cash flow its also ensuring players wages are paid etc as with any gate money keeping the run of the club sort of speak regularly isnt it??

Maybe the other option is for a three month period to pay by direct debit?
Initially with a decent deposit then three equal payments to come out in May, June & July before the Season kicks off:)

Or there is still the option of the Flexi Ticket which is a Top Idea that could be done as it is for the ten games or maybe make it five that could be purchased for Birthdays or Christmas? Whatever the more options the more likely of people taking them up! But at the same time you would'nt want to create an admin nightmare:eek:

As I said earlier in the thread the installment system at Burnley is run by an outside source. I've been told that they pay the money up front to the club when they have a signed credit agreement although I can't vouch for that 100%. We have options to pay over 3 months or 10 months. To the club it's a no brainer, it doesn't cost them anything and they make season tickets accessible to a lot more people.

One other option we have is that the club sell vouchers in the club shop. These vouchers are not for general use but can only be put towards a season ticket. Another system to allow people to pay weekly. yes there is an extra element of admin but you can't have Lee sat their doing nowt all day :D

Most of all they have to make it worth joining the ellete bunch called season ticket holders, whom have been shafted at times with new innovative ploys in dragging gates in, also giving something back to the season ticket holder, free shirt, good regular discounts, 1st dibs etc as other clubs do.

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 533553)

Yes, got to feel that me & my mates have felt this over last few years, think that we should, at very least, have some kind of concession for cup games. When club states that Brentford game is £10.00, we have effectively lost £3.00......will Eric buy us a pint, to compensate?? I know that purchasing a season ticket 'entitles' us to two 'free' games, but that advantange is being eroded, year by year. Especially, as for me, I know I'm going to miss a couple at least, but I'm happy to pay, 'cos I think it helps the club. As, indeed, I always buy a programme, & 50/50 tickets!!

However, I really feel that ST holders, having paid their money up front, should have a little 'rub of the green'. Most of us will be happy to buy, knowing that we may miss a few games, so, two 'free' home games does not really compensate for the fact that we place our hopes, up front, for the next full season.

In fact, there are now four of us who are debating on whether we renew or not..... it all depends on the 'deal' that that Eric decides to offer!!

Hopefully,someone from the club reads these comments....so, if you have anything to say, you know how to PM me!!

:)Mmmmmm INTERESTING ONE THIS AND WHAT A GOOD IDEA,ALBION ROVERS ARE TRYING TO TEMPT POLISH MIGRANT WORKERS TO THIS WEEKENDS HOME GAME.. OVER 2000 OF THEM LIVE AND WORK IN THE AREA.. NOW HOW MANY LIVE AND WORK IN AND AROUND ACCRINTON AND SUROUNDING AREA OVER 2000 I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT NOW IF JUST 10% CAME ALONG TO A MATCH AT STANLEY THATS 200 EXTRA FANS !! WHY DONT STANLEY HAVE A GO AT ATTRACTING THIS UNTAPPED FAN BASE :):):):):):):):):):)

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 538277)

WHY DONT STANLEY HAVE A GO AT ATTRACTING THIS UNTAPPED FAN BASE

I thought they were already trying to do this with the Diversity Committee...or has that idea faded away now?

the diversity forum was one from the community rather than a Stanley led idea. It was held at the ground and Rob Heys was a member of it - but it didn't exist to promote Stanley, although the club could benefit from its usage.

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 538277)

I do agree with the sentiment, if three people step forward willing to get involved with this (not current OSC active members) then I'll push for OSC money to fund some kind of Polska drive.

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 538277)

Speirdalaj Polska :)

:)if i herd it right Albion rovers are letting any polish nationals in for a £1 on sat,so i think if anythink could be done to tempt polish people to watch stanley then the club would have to get involved,:)

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 538608)

:)if i herd it right

http://onewayphotoblog.files.wordpre...07/7073500.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 538612)

http://onewayphotoblog.files.wordpre...07/7073500.jpg

so thats what you look like TM hehe:D:D

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 538511)

I do agree with the sentiment, if three people step forward willing to get involved with this (not current OSC active members) then I'll push for OSC money to fund some kind of Polska drive.

why dont you get a leaflet in polish i see a lot every day and could distribute them in fact ill get one written up on monday.....an english version and a polish version.......:alright:

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 538618)

why dont you get a leaflet in polish i see a lot every day and could distribute them in fact ill get one written up on monday.....an english version and a polish version.......:alright:

:)what would you put on the leaflet???????.i too would distribute any leaflet as there is a lot of polish people work in clitheroe:do-one:

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 538618)

why dont you get a leaflet in polish i see a lot every day and could distribute them in fact ill get one written up on monday.....an english version and a polish version.......:alright:

Go for it Bananaman, need any help with the English? :Banane57:

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 538608)

And the Scots haven't complained. When do they get in for a £1 ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 538634)

And the Scots haven't complained. When do they get in for a £1 ? :rolleyes:

:) it was on sky sports news last night,there next home game

I think it would open up a massive can of worms if it was done down here.

:)sorry they get in for nowt;and heres the link We Want Poles To Support Us, Say Albion Rovers

From what I read, they're actually letting people in for free, provided they bring proof of their Polish nationality. Personally, I think it'll backfire by causing widespread resentment amongst their regular fans who still have to pay the usual admission charge and, for that reason, I wouldn't like to see Stanley adopt it. However, I'd be quite happy to see the club encourage Poles, Asians, Alaskans, Martians, in fact, anybody who would like to come along and join us in supporting Stanley!

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 538637)

I've tried my best to keep quiet recently ...

Can I suggest you try harder. :mad:

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 538634)

And the Scots haven't complained. When do they get in for a £1 ? :rolleyes:

im all for that ,scots in for a pound:D

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 538665)

im all for that ,scots in for a pound:D

Would that include a translator for Harwood red:confused::D, we got 11 Norweigans desending on us very soon again too so the club tells me :D

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Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 538622)

Go for it Bananaman, need any help with the English? :Banane57:

ha ha :):)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 538665)

im all for that ,scots in for a pound:D

:yelrotflmhehehe:D;)

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 538661)

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Don't be embarrassed ;)

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Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 538662)

Can I suggest you try harder. :mad:

Oggy shut up, idiots like you will never shut me up.:mad::p

My god - I am so glad I dont live in that PC craphole of a country any more. I live somewhere where Im allowed to freely say what I feel... :mad:

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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Originally Posted by Jimbo T Hornblower (Post 538789)

My god - I am so glad I dont live in that PC craphole of a country any more. I live somewhere where Im allowed to freely say what I feel... :mad:

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

Oh yes.... and when you disappear in the middle of the night we'll know not to look for you. Human rights and Cyprus aren't exactly three words that trip off the tongue. :rolleyes: :D

It's Saturday, save it for this afternoon.

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 538796)

Oh yes.... and when you disappear in the middle of the night we'll know not to look for you. Human rights and Cyprus aren't exactly three words that trip off the tongue. :rolleyes: :D

I thought that was Wales............:D

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 538806)

I thought that was Wales............:D

To use the words of UK Cowboy

I really do object to this RACIST and extremely nasty post. Doug, please keep your political views to yourself, this sort of outburst is not needed on this forum IMHO. For that reason I am reporting the above post and thought I would do you the decency of telling you why.:p

I will try to keep my views on immigrants out of the Stanley section in future but lets have no more on the subject of letting non-British people in for free or even £1, remember we live in England, OK.:rolleyes:

I don't think anybody should be targetted for cheaper admission than the rest of us other than schoolkids.

but if they're paying full price there's nowt wrong with aiming your posters at whoever you want to send em to.

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 538720)

Don't be embarrassed ;)

:eek: I'AM EMBARRASSED NOT JUST FOR ME BUT FOR ANY FOOTIE FAN WHO HAS READ YOUR POST RASIST REMARKS HAVE NO PLACE IN FOOTBALL. FOOTBALL IS TRYING TO STOP THIS SORT OF NEGATIVE MENTALITY ON AND OF THE PITCH,AND YOUR POST IS YES AN EMBARRASMENT.............

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 539685)

AND YOUR POST IS YES AN EMBARRASMENT.............

To you but not to me, if you're going to call me a racist at least spell it correctly but thanks anyway.;)

This thread looks a bit silly without my post that was so kindly removed by one of our dear moderators, cheers Pete, am I allowed to post a new one about how I object to a proposal to let immigrants into football grounds for less than a British supporter would have to pay or would that offend too?

Forum rule number 10 asks that your post is acceptable to the majority on here and isn't offensive. You can't post racist and insulting remarks on here. Full stop.

do you hear the lambs screaming ???

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Originally Posted by depechemode (Post 540054)

do you hear the lambs screaming ???

Who......???

Would seem to be random quote from "Silence of the lambs " ; not sure why or what it's got to do with anything really, maybe the voices in his head told him to post it ?:confused::rolleyes:

havent done the polish poster yet but did get half a page in the local polish rag called parasol that covers most of lancashire ..contacts eh..the poster in polish is a bit complex but somebodies working on it as we speak,hopefully:D:D:theband:

Do any of you know what the poles can be like at football matches? attendances resembeling ours in poland have to have water cannons present.

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 540644)

Good stuff, maybe we can get some new sponsors as well...

http://stanleys-sausage.com/images/homebann.GIF