Mangan Back??
 

Just heard that Mangan is due to play for reserves tomorrow with view to returning!!

Well we are short of forwards??
I quite like him!!!!!!!

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He and his girl friend make a nice couple. Is she attending?

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If this is true I'm stunned, what a step backwards, the guy isn't good enough for Bury so why should we have him back?
I doubt the game will be on anyway.

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I have to say I am unsure myself.
All I will say is the lad Bishop at Bury does look decent so you can see why he struggles to get a game!!

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Close call I think. It's due to warm up tomorrow afternoon but not sure if it will long enough for the pitch to thaw out. We'll let your lot know in time to save travelling, don't worry :D

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That's very good of you Dave, I suppose Mangys not that bad he always got the crowd buzzing when he came on.

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Mangans main problem was lack of discipline, hopefully he will have learnt that he has to be more on his game at this level. I dont think he ever wanted to leave as he was one of the lads here so it might have done him some good to get away for a while.

But he owes us one for that sub display at Gigg Lane earlier in the season the little git :D

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Looks like Mangan won't be playing tonight. Game doubtful and pitch inspection at 11.30am

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:confused: Another old boy returning is'nt that a surprise (not) scouse:rolleyes: as well will fit in nicley them. on the subject of of old boys why don't we re-sign MICHAEL WELCH :) why we're at it.....

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Now confirmed as match off tonight.

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Liked the way he played till the end and didn't give up.

I'll never forget his equaliser at Macclesfield and his celebrations past Paul Ince.

He showed the same spirit to win the home game against Wycombe.

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Just what we need, assuming he has bulked up a bit since he last played for us. Always rated him, how about you, Accy Mad?:rolleyes:

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Hehehehe oo i havent mentioned it to me lil accy mangan fan yet may get a gate increase :rofl38:

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Mind you it isn't official yet is it?? looked on fishy site, so may not risk a bust arm yet:D

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The loan has been registered
BBC SPORT | Football | Gossip | Transfers - February 2008

We sold Roscoe Dsane to Torquay and we have replaced him with a Scouse cast off who can't get in the Bury team and couldn't get in our team in the Conference or League Two. Is is possibly because he is a SCOUSE cast off that we have got him back. This should go a long way to solving our urgent defensive problems. Get thhe important things sorted first Coley, or is it the old rubbish of "we will score more goals than them"

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Thanks Jeff, so it looking official then ..............what is it with getting our old boys back ?? why get shut in the 1st place only to have them back at a later stage:confused: tho with mangy its like rocky is atm.

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Mangan's return is good news, he may need a couple of matches to settle in.

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Spoke to Andy at the Bury game and he said he never wanted to leave, but something about not getting what he wanted meant he was shown the door. Personally I am glad to see him back because he looked useful at Bury when he played against us (even though he was a sub) and it has put a smile on my youngest daughters face again!

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Well Redraine, I'm not sure about this - but I will reserve judgement for now. If Mangy has learned that he has to be more disciplined & has stopped throwing his tantrums then maybe he can do a job for us at least until Leighton is fit again and on the positive side if , as it seems, we can only attract our old players back I would rather have Mangy than McEvilly :rolleyes:

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Hehehehe not yours an all ozzy, told mine & she shuddered [altho i didnt get a sore arm]:o:o

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Let's hope he will be fired up enough to show the boss he was wrong to let him go, but not so much that he gets into trouble.:)

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It's on the official site now. I'm a little unsure about this to say the least. When I saw him at Bury he seemed to have bulked up a bit and he caused us a lot of problems.

Of course, he was only playing against our defence, so you can't tell much by that. ;)

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Maybe he's been brought back to coach the defence. ;)

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Not sure what to make of this move.:confused:

Whilst I'd accept that we're a bit thin on the ground forwards wise at the moment, I can't see my way past the fact that we've re-signed a player who was mainly used as a sub in his first spell with us and was labelled "an impact player".Admittedly, the lad scored a few important goals in his first spell here but the question begs to be asked....Why was he "shown the door" ???:confused:

Apparently Mangan had a hernia injury recently and was due to have treatment.(Has this injury now healed, Is he fit ??) Granted, Bury have just changed managers recently and maybe he doesn't fit in with Knill's plans (New Bury Boss).

I've seen Mangan a couple of times this season, not only against us at their place, but I've also ventured to watch the Shakers a couple of times when we've been away / not playing. Other than scoring Bury's winner against us at their place, nothing of what I've seen of Mangan since suggests he's a better player than he was when he left us . IMO he still lacks strength and more importantly composure.:o

I hope the lad proves me wrong and scores some important goals which help to keep us up / away from the drop zone. Incidentally, after a quick browse on the Bury forum, quite a few of their fans are concerned that he's been allowed to re-join quote " a rival".

I would have thought however, that after recent comments in the local press by JC / JB and more importantly recent performances, a more pressing concern would be to address the defensive situation. Only time will tell.

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bloody hell someone who thinks the same as some of us whalley pub haters

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u said it what a joke

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Let's just hope he doesn't see red in his first game (except when looking for someone to pass to) :mad:

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Have to be honest and say that when I heard this news earlier today I was somewhat suprised to say the least, and not in a good way, however, after thinking about it I am begining to change my mind.

Although when Mangy was first here He was used mainly as a sub, He always seemed to give 100+% (I know thats not feasable but poetic license and all that!)and was up for every ball He could chase, even if it was a lost cause!!

Perhaps His enthusiasm ( if still there) will rub off on the rest of the lads and maybe, just maybe we might see 'some fire in thier bellies' and the long awaited win we so desperatley need.

So with that in mind, welcome back Mangy, and good luck. :)

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sod the forward why no defender yet ??

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dont bulk him up he will end up like McEvill

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now we got a striker aslong as we score more goal then them who cares

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but we bloody cant can we

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Are u volunteering to score the goals for us depeche??

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the way i shaped in the crossbar challenge no

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Well then what are you ranting for? No good critising someone for something you yourself cannot do or not in a position to do:D

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Well Im Not A Pro Footballer Am I But A Supporter Who Would Like To See His Team Not Go 1 Down In The First Half Week In Week Out . Sorry Am I Not In The Click Again ??

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I have never understood why people post in forums where they think everybody else is a member of the clique. If it was me I wouldn't go back and join in :confused:

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"MANGAN!" - "ON ME 'ED!". But not when the whistle goes, please!

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Its not about being in the 'clique' its nothing to do with it just cos they dont agree with ya!! We're all supporters/fans, we all want to see the club do well & rise to their potential, but this is football get real, problems like ours are happening all over the divisions & makes footy what it is & a lot of it is tactical & a lot of it is luck & graft. While i may disagree with some of coleys decisions at times i respect he is the manager, like ive said before ASFC are a team effort - we could have alex fergie but could he manage on our money?!? but he's not so im afraid coley does well as he can & money talks.

Knocking the coley/team with berated comments all day & week long serves nothing but negativity fueling the fire of it sort of speak & is it serving any purpose, do u think coley is going to be sacked because of a few anti management rantings?? Do u think our team is going to perform any better because of it?????? So what are u trying to achieve?? i think that is what people are questioning:rolleyes:

If we do bad one match rant for a day or so fine but then move onto hope for the next match even if its false hope, because at this late stage of the season we cant afford to lose a management team [despite how u feel] & if we did who would replace that..............???????? Eric by himself ??:eek:

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JC quoted in Sporting Life today:

"Coleman also revealed he is still searching for defensive reinforcements, adding: "Hopefully we'll have another defender in by the weekend.""

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Coleman also revealed he is still searching for defensive reinforcements, adding: "Hopefully we'll have another defender in by the weekend"


0o0o0o0o0o0o0o micheal welchy one can only hope:D

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The thing is, whoever we bring in, nothing ever seems to change. The problem seems to be with tactics and training, not personel

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Got to agree TM - and what happened to letting the defence settle in together & not chopping & changing it so much:confused:

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For me one of the major defensive problems we have had this season is the fact that our defense seems to be different everytime we play. Last week was the first time in a while that the same set of defenders have started the game as the previous game.

Also for me you have to defend as a team, starting with your forwards closing the ball down, Mully does this, however the midfield and support strikers seem to go missing on a regular basis, leaving a big hole behind the midfield and infront of the defense. We tend to see alot of our midfield having to turn and run towards our own goal chasing the opposition midfield, rather than facing their midfield and making them play round us whilst harrying them. All of our midfield are very attacking orientated and we seem to suffer from Gerrard / Lampard syndrome where both central midfielders go on the attack and no-one hangs backs to fill in the gap infront of the defense. The way for us to compensate this tactically would be to play 4-5-1, with a defensive midfielder sat in the hole just in front of the defense, so that yur attacking orientated midfielders could push on into the attack.

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The question is what personnel you would use, and could our players implement this successfully. (sorry about the lines, couldn't get it to space out right without them!!!)

Just my thoughts.

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We played 4-5-1 away at Peterborough

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You're not far wrong Sparkie !!...although it's not just our mid-field that seem to spend their time chasing opponents back towards their own goal, for the rest of the defence often find themselves in this catch-up situation...the third of Lincoln's goals would be a good example of this!..
Is it due to the absence of a real defensive Leader who can organise the back line into maintaining some discipline..particularly when facing freekicks and Corners...there does often seem to be some disarray on these occasions with everyone making suggestions as to what to do..and who to mark...these, as we all know have resulted in so many goals against during this campaign.

As the zenith of my Soccer achievement was to cut up the oranges for the Second Eleven's half-time refreshments...It is for sure that I am no Soccer Tactician!...
However , it is not too difficult to spot the same errors being made over and over again.
Perhaps a 'Leader' in the centre of a 'settled' defence..and Kenny back on song...just might result in a stem of the goals which are regularly filling the back of the Red's net!

THIS SATURDAY ?????.......ON STANLEY!....ON!!!!

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Jeffs right, Coley should be attending to the defence as a priority. Mangans a nice lad but just not good enough. Unless he has improved dramatically during his stay at Bury. Smacks a bit of panic measures by Coley. We don't need to call for a replacement Manager. Just leave him to it. He will shoot himself in his own foot before long. Just get behind whatever cast off and unwanted players he decides to put out.

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Does anybody know if Cav is coaching defence while he's recovering. :punsure:

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Good luck to Andy on his return!
The good thing with Leighton now also fit is we now have three Strikers:)

Here's an odd suggestion but the more I think about it the more it could be the answer short term to our defensive frailities

Try Mullers at Centre Half, whenever I see him back defending he always seems to do a decent job, he has the height and will know most of the tricks Centre Forwards are likely to try, with being Team Captain at the moment I am sure he commands the respect of the rest of his teamates and could just give us that communication between the back four that we seem to miss:)

Then we could also try Mangan & McGivern up front

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With Rocky as his assistant.:plaugh:

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I always thought we'd see Mullers move to the back line before his career finishes but the more I think about it the more I think that he is too nice and honest to be a dirty ****** centre half. He'd be crucified by some of the animals that play up front in this league

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I beleive you Macca but the football league don't agree ;)

Divisional Discipline | The Football League | Stats

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yeah but thats because ....... I dunno why! gets punished 10 times a game usually when jumping for goal kicks, but he doesn't lead with his arm, he doesn't back in particularly and he gets bruised and ripped shirts every game. Last year he came second in the fouls conceded league with about 140 fouls BUT NO BOOKINGS :confused:

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and HE'S ONLY ONE BOOKING AWAY FROM A SUSPENSION!!!!!!!!!!!

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Doesn't this table include offsides as well? I thought yellow cards were nullified after four or five games without a booking - can anyone confirm?

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I think there is a point, something like the 3rd sunday in March, whereby the cards don't count towards the accumulated total. Otherwise they do rack up regardless of time.

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Just checked and in PM's case he won't be suspended if he doesn't get cautioned before the end of February;

For the geeks, here's the rules :)

PUNISHMENTS – Relating to First Team Competitive Matches

(a) CAUTIONS ADMINISTERED ON THE FIELD OF PLAY
(i) If a Player accumulates five recorded cautions in FTCM between the
opening day of the Playing Season and the last day in February in
the same Season, he will be suspended automatically for a period
covering:

One First Team Match

(ii) If a Player accumulates five recorded cautions in FTCM between the
opening day of the Playing Season and the last day of the same
Season, he will be: -

“Warned as to his Future Conduct”

(iii) A Player who has already been subject to disciplinary action as a
result of recording five cautions and then proceeds to record a further
five cautions during the same Season, will be subject to the following
punishments: -
(iv) If a Player accumulates ten recorded cautions in FTCM between the
opening day of the Playing Season and the second Sunday of April in
the same Season, he will be suspended automatically for a period
covering:-

Two First Team matches

(v) If a Player accumulates ten recorded cautions in FTCM between the
opening day of the Playing Season and the last day of the same
Season, he will be: -

“Severely Censured and Warned as to his future Conduct”

(vi) If a Player accumulates 15 recorded cautions in FTCM between the
opening date of the Playing Season and the last day of the same
Season, he will be suspended automatically for a period covering: -

Three First Team matches

(vii) A Player who has already been subject to disciplinary action as a
result of recording five, ten and 15 cautions, and who goes on to
record 20 cautions in FTCM in the same Season, shall be required to
attend a meeting of a Regulatory Commission, within seven days of
the date of the last caution. The Members of a Regulatory
Commission will have the power to deal with the Player in such
manner as they deem fit. The same procedure will apply for every
further five cautions recorded against that Player.
(viii) Any period of suspension arising from recording cautions will
commence on the seventh day following the date of his last offence.
The suspension will cover all approved First Team matches until
such time as his Club’s First Team has completed the number of
matches appropriate to the punishment in approved Competitions
during the period covered by its opening league match and ending
with the final match in which the Club is playing in an approved
domestic Competition.
(ix) Any period of suspension or part thereof which remains outstanding at
the end of a Season must be served at the commencement of the
next following Season.

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errm, thanks for that Dave - i think!

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I'll be asking questions later to make sure you understood it :D

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Don't bother, we don't want to join your geeky world :D