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I say lets have a change next season . what do you lot say ? coleman in or out ? votes ????

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I say that it sounds like you have got your cheque and now are reverting back to the Status Quo Depeche Mode!

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It's all very well trying to throw up a smokescreen, DM, but, when it comes down to it, there are far more pressing questions than this to answer...namely, when and where before the Bury match and do we have to bring our own sponges? ;)

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If Coleman's got any sense, he won't go to the Bury match.

He didn't do anything yesterday apart from kick the ball back a couple of times. It seems his only purpose these days is to abuse the officials or opposition coaches - no interaction with the players (I won't say 'team' because we don't appear to have one).

He won't have any role in the next two matches, the lads will be free to flounder around as per, allowing Wrexham and Bury to increase our remarkable goal deficit at will.

These days he's nothing more than a short, fat, bald, whingeing Scouser who stands at the side of the pitch upsetting officials and any families within earshot.

I regret making this ad hominem attack on the man, but I am so frustrated at wasting my money on what he has cooked up for us, week after week. Where has been the pleasure in being a Stanley supporter since we entered the League?

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Welcome Back DM! Back with the moans again! Coleman in!

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its not only me though is it . we wont get over 1300 with naff football next year . if he dosnt go why not bring in a new coach or number two with league know how . id be happy with that

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we arnt a bad side just short on know how . weve go some good players . grant is showing promise , harris is top young player , just a tad hot headed , webb is a solid guy but could have done with kemps with him.

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need as every1 says , another forward . il still be watching next season who ever is in charge but how many more people will be ? see you at wrexham .

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I love John coleman and Jimmy bell just in case someone builds the stocks if none of you have any D.I.Y skills and they don't get built? Then for me its time for the pair to Go!!

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That's not nice I thought he had lost a bit of weight recently and he's only gone so bald because all of those duff footballers HE'S brought in are making him so mad he self harms and he rips his own hair out and as for the bad language all the stewards have been supplied with special earpieces that only pick-up on fans swearing so thats why he gets away with it!!

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he didnt swear yesterday , he said ****** all , even to his players . what are odds on him leaving at end of season ?

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Far greater than they were at the start of the season, wether thats the answer is impossible to say but something is very wrong at the club and seeing as changes ARE needed i think that increases the odds somewhat.

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if your car cant make it to work any more you change the car . same applies to football . if you dont win any more you change the manager

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Same with a record!

If the needle get's stuck you change the record:rolleyes:

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Bravo, well said that man. :)

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I've bought my season ticket for next season so I think I have the right to pass comment on the goings on over the past few weeks. Mr Coleman is a man without hope. He stands looking forlorn in the technical area with not a word of advice to his players. He claims the officials are to blame, or was it the wind/pitch/floodlights/etc. He has a profession to go to as a Primary School Teacher (mind he will have to moderate his language a little). So, of he goes to play golf.....did the players carry on training??
Having said all that here is my opinion, he as to go, to be replaced by someone like Paul Cook or Colin Hendry to name but two. I am sure Stanley would attract a number of managers and may even encourage some new investment if they thought there was the prospect of change. I would consider putting a few quid into the club if I thought they were serious about staging a challenge in Div 2!!(subject to approval from the Management ..... the wife)

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time for him to go

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Well, you guys go every week and I am but a mere exile (looking forward to Luton next season, though). Changing the manager might help a little, but on gates of hardly anything, it's probably going to take a bit of investment to push on. Any sign of any?

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I said I'd wait until the end of the season but sod it - COLEMAN OUT

I'd sack Alex Ferguson as well !!!

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Unless you have witnessed a meeting between Eric and Sir Alex in the Dunkenhalgh I'm not convinced he's even been offered the job yet. He's a bit of a rookie so give him at least a season to have a try :D

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Were do we think we as a club should be?
Premiership,Championship,League 1, League 2, Conference or even lower?
Its frustrating that the club has been a mid bottom league 2 team after the success JC has brought us. I think we are punching above our weight in this league and its frustrating to say that.

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:) Accrington stanley are in L2 on merrit as conferences champions as are other teams that have come up,either as champ's or by the play offs,its a hard league as we know and its no different for other teams ,lady luck the rub of the green call it what you want we an't had much if any latley, if all season.

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it wasnt luck we where short of on sat it was tatics . we need fresh ideas

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:) If Whalleys shoot had hit the back of the net in stead of bouncing of the bar and a couple of one on ones with the keeper late on had gone our way,but thats bin our season mist chances poor defending in depth..Roscoe shouldn't have bin aloud to leave no matter how much was on offer,Mcgivern should have been given a run in the team after he went...

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As most people know from my threads, I always tend to be somewhat ambivalent in the
' What shall we do with COLEY ?' argument.
Whilst being in agreement with al those who quite rightly laud some of his past achievements ( Which are rapidly fading into distant memory now!)....I still find it difficult to warm towards the man, his Man Management style, his demeanour, and his overall attitude towards the Fans in particular.
I ask myself is it this feeling which pervades the thinking of most of us who wear our hearts on our sleeve on this Forum which has created the 'cleft-stick' situation which we regularly bemoan. ( DM included !...Hasn't his new-found riches reawakened his fervour!!).
It is a dilemma which can not be solved by an immediate termination of JC's involvement
with the Reds...nor can such abysmal performances, as witnessed on Saturday, bring about the hoped-for revival of Soccermania in Accrington and it's surrounds.
So the wheel turns !, and in my opinion it will require the influence of someone Management-wise, who so obviously doesn't exist yet at the FES!, to put the brake on
where current failure is concerned, and to steer it in a new, exciting and successful direction !.
No organisation having a true raison d'etre, would allow itself to fall into a quagmire of apathy which will eventually drag it downwards towards eventual failure.
But, as we can all see from our postings, this unacceptable situation does appear to present itself as a real and palpable entity !...you can almost taste it!
So, in this cleft-stick and on the horns of such a dilemma, whatever we fans think about the status-quo doesn't really matter !. The problem is truly of Macro proportions and can only be cured by the introduction of more appropriate management at the highest levels at the Club !.
I love Accrington Stanley, I have done for years !, and I don't want to see a team which on Saturday last, as they totally capitulated against Barnet, appeared to be in it's death throes. Being managed by an individual who truly did resemble a dead man walking.
My plea is that those who are in a position to change all this, do strive to Manage the Club towards success, rather than the 'anything is good enough' stance which is so much in evidence at the present time.

'Quo Vadis Stanley ?'

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on a more serious note.
I a big JC fan 0- but this season his limitations have been shown.
The most obvious being his inability to change the system, instead his fondess to accomodate certain players and certain types of players simply wont work with all the best will in the world.
Ok - he has no money, and not big wages to offer.
But, the squad he assembled is not flexible or adaptable - and the tactics are just to obvious. Plus, as all teams have learnt from the conference - league 2 is alot more physical - and yet, are squad on the whole do not match up physically.
All the constant talk about the defence - the tactic of sitting high up the field is always going to leave defenders more vunerable.
While I think he should remain in the job, I do hope he has a long look at this season where I can see no signs of progress.
An increasingly obvious sign throughout the season, is the dis-loyalty between the players. A divide house/relationship/football team will never conquer but fall. He must make this his number 1 aim.
Our 1st year back may have been closer to relegation, but the way we play and the amount of goals we scored made it entertianing.
This season, I can count only 4 games where I have seen a good performance.
If it wasnt for Bradford and Wycombe away, I would be really disheartened.

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well done for taking us up john but i think you have done all you can . your a very good non league manager but not a good league one . let go of the cord and spit your dummy out and leave .
most teams that we play arnt great teams just better organised and fitter . we have good players just no one to organise them

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Up to now I've resisted the temptation to post on threads relating to the Coleman / Bell situation. I've followed the many related threads with great interest, even posting on a few, previously supporting Coleman and stating that he should be given a chance to turn things around. But Saturday's result was "the straw that broke my camel's back" as far as posting on these threads go so to speak.:(

A look at the league table and a glance at our attendances at home spells out the problems in plain and simple terms....

1 ) We've lost the most home games throughout the whole football league.. Out of a possible 66 points that could have been gleaned from the 22 home games up to now, we've picked up 22 points. Out of the teams in League 2 only Wrexham have scored fewer goals at home. We have also lost the most games in the whole league and picked up the fewest draws.Not much use on the old pools coupon I know but without the much improved away form this season we'd be heading back to the Blue Square / Conference with the Dragons.:(

2) We also hold the unenvyable record of having the most goals scored against us in the whole of the football league. Goals against in the last two seasons totalls nearly 160 league goals. Despite Coleman and Bells best efforts, the solution to this problem still awaits to be found.:(

3) Since New Years day, out of a possible 63 points available we've managed to pick up 16 points. In those 21 games we've only managed to score 19 goals. Take away the six that we've scored against Chester in two games and the 3 against Morecambe and that means we've scored just 10 in the other 18 games. All this equates to Relegation form. Fortunately we've dodged the bullet again this season.

In all probability, Coleman and Bell will be given the opportunity to try and put things right. Prior to Christmas, our esteemed chairman gave Coleman six games and then " he would evaluate the progress made ". To look at the facts presented in this post, it becomes all too clear, that save for managing to stay up again not a lot of progress has been made.

True enough, expectation has been raised due to numerous years of unprecedented success achieved under Coleman's stewardship. Granted we are probably punching way above our weight given the resources currently available.

Our Chairman must now take a long hard look at the statistics, look at the resources available and make a crucial decision.....Back him/them or Sack him/them. I know that we havent got a bottomless pit into which we can delve but over the coming months these problems MUST be addressed.

Personally speaking,I'd give Coleman & Bell a chance to sort things out over the summer.I'd also think SERIOUSLY about bringing in an experienced head to work alongside Coleman & Bell, somebody who knows the lower leagues and has the technical nouse to point out to them both what is lacking, what needs improving and more to the point can identify prospective new signings of the calibre needed to push the club forwards. Stan Ternent would fit the bill perfectly. Granted he's at Derby as No2 to Jewell. During the Conference winning season I saw Stan stood near the Changing rooms a couple of times, maybe if he's still got some form of connection with the club,maybe he could be approached to assist Coleman & Bell in some capacity,even if it's only part time or in an advisory capacity. If Mr Ternent (which in all likelyhood) is not available then maybe look for a similiar character. On this point I'd applaud the club in securing Asa Hartford's services, but IF the club is to stick with Coleman & Bell, It's my own personal opinion, but I feel we'd benefit no end from somebody with Ternent's credentials or somebody similiar.

I think that signing Kempson is a MUST. Signing additional firepower is a MUST.Hanging on to Kenny Arthur is a MUST. Getting rid of the dead wood will probable free up funds for signing replacements, but these replacements whoever they may be,will have to be of a suitable quality in order to keep pushing the club forward. I think we're making a mistake if Webb,Brown and McGivern are allowed to leave and I think Mannix and King should be given a chance. Maybe give all five the last two games to prove their worth.

Simply put, If the current problems ARE NOT resolved, then next season the club might not be as lucky. The current apathy shown by the local public will only worsen, crowds will continue to dwindle and the club will slide back into the obscurity of Non League Football again.:mad:

And all the hard work and endevour, all the progress made in recent years will be meaningless.:mad:

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Small consolation in the context of the post but that record went on Saturday to Colchester :)

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That may become a possibility, as Paul Simpson is promising a clear-out at Shrewsbury: BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Shrewsbury | Simpson prepares summer clear-out

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But at least they have scored a fair few more goals than us to say their GD is -23 & ours is -34:(

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couldn't agree more i don't think i can stand another season of coley time for change.

RED THROUGH AND THROUGH,ACCY TILL I DIE :mosher:

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we must let john carry on!!!! every year we finish in a better position than the last that's not lies it's the truth.

Loweiy

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"I don't think people seriously realise what we work with and on what sort of budget. If they did, I think they would die of shock." This, from John Sill, manager of D&R, whose average gates are, at this moment, running at around 400 higher than ours!

It's also interesting to look on the Daggers forum, which seems to be largely free of character assasinations against the manager. In fact, the fans seem happy to have survived with the resources they have. That makes a refreshing change! :)

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Lets close this thread and look forward to next season .

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People keep going on about Stanley paying the lowest wages, having the lowest budget, etc. I have asked this question before - will somebody PLEASE tell me what wages we pay and what wages the rest of league two pay, will somebody PLEASE tell me what our budget is and what the budget of the rest of legaue two is. Until somebody comes up with figures proving we pay the lowest wages and proving we have the lowest budget why doesn't everybody stop using this assumption as an excuse for Coleman, Bell and Whalley.

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I was under the impression that the average wage at Stanley was around £27,000, while the overall average for division two was circa £52,000. More importantly, surely it stands to reason as we get by far the lowest gates on the division and we're not borrowing any money, then we must have one of the lowest, if not the lowest, operating budgets? I will also repeat my question - if Coley's achievement of keeping a club in the league (albeit in a lowly position) on gates of circa 1,500 is nothing exceptional, then how come no other manager is doing it?

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Isn't it also the case that league one and two salaries are capped and can only be paid in relation to gate receipts ?

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Yes, I think you're right, Dave, which means that, officially, we must be paying the lowest salaries in the league.

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The salaries are capped but they can be paid in relation to turnover. This includes gate receipts, lottery receipts, transfer reciepts, bar receipts, pub receipts, in fact any receipt.

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Precicely 'under the impression', will somebody please come up with some facts that substantiate the argument.

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Cashman wrote, Dec 2006, "eric whalley was on granada tv the other night picking a deserved award up for stanley, he said the average wage for the division was £53K, and stanleys average £27K".

Original survey from The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/163676000-the-average-salary-of-a-premiership-footballer-in-2006-473659.html

Worth a look at the age related wage section, even if it is a couple of years out of date. :juggle2:<!-- google_ad_section_end --><!-- google_ad_section_end -->

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Coleman is God..... FACT!

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If we're going all religious, is Queen of the South the only football team mentioned in the bible? ;)

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Didn't the wise men come from the Orient?

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Perhaps if everybody asks for a vat receipt when they buy petrol and donate them to the club they could get away with paying a bit more :D

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If he's so good how come he never gets a mention when any managers jobs are up for grabs, why has no club from a higher or even lower division never shown any interest in him, why was this so called god never linked with the England job, everyone else was.;)

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That was April 2006, weren't we a Conference team then? I am sure that Eric has said that there is one Stanley player earning £1000 per week.

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Don't you believe it! I've been told there's been some Thai bloke asking after him at the FES this morning! ;)

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No Eric's quote was when we were a league team, and things won't have changed much since.

Yes, players are on different wages, that's where the average comes in.

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Totally agree mate.

Were the smallest club in this division (whether we care to admit it or not), we get the smallest crowds, have the smallest budget, Eric is just happy to be here.

Coleman's punching above his weight maintaining our position in league football. John & Jimmy are ambitious men, they have driven us from obscurity back into the football league and will be frustrated as anyone by whats going on but the sad facts of the matter is there hands are tied. Deep down they will believe they can get us promoted but in reality it would be a miracle, we are a conference club punching above our weight and as long as John continues to cut the wages bill, not spend any money yet keep us in this division, Eric will not get rid.