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Don't mind starting the thread when we're one up after two minutes ..:):)

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I am amazed !!! :ban:

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Brilliant. Come on Accy. Line up anyone?

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Fromm BBC live text:
Accrington Stanley

• 01 Arthur
• 02 Cavanagh
• 05 Murdock http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/.../img/ycard.gif
• 12 Edwards
• 03 King
• 27 Gornell
• 16 Mullin
• 07 Miles
• 26 Griffiths
• 09 Clarke
• 10 Mullin

Substitutes

• 17 Dunbavin,
• 18 Murphy,
• 15 Williams,
• 14 Ryan,
• 21 Turner

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Griffiths in favour of Ryan? Interesting. Come on Stanley :)

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1-1
Joke of a penalty apparently.

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Miles featuring at both ends then ... c'mon !

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Let's hope we don't fall apart now - Rochdale are a decent side (promotion material in my book when they play well) but they've been erratic this season.

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Is there any radio coverage available on the web?

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It's live on 2BR

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thanks Dave

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******. 1-2

Why wasn't Jimmy Ryan on the right from the start? Clarke is a striker, nothing else!

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Oh dear - that's it now then - 3-1 to Rochdale.:eek:

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Maybe playing players in their actual positions would be a step forward? Who knows.

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It's time to get real folks - unless we change our horribly stale tactics of hoofing the ball up in Mullin's general direction as soon as we are under any sort of pressure we are going down. OK, it was a decidedly dodgy penalty, and we had done OK up until then, but this team only knows one way to play when chasing the game. The only way we can be effective with Mully leading the line is if we have genuine wingers getting to the by-line to put in a supply of centres, but we don't have the players any more for this. If we don't find a new approach through coaching we are doomed, notwithstanding the penalty points suffered by the 3 teams at the bottom of the league. Wake up John and Jimmy - get the team playing proper football. Just for one example, why, oh why can Kenny not be told to roll the ball out to his full-backs once in a while instead of you know what?
By the way, Clarke is a waste of time at the moment, showing no desire or fight, and I can only think the reason he plays is due to the conditions of his loan? We can't afford any passengers in a relegation dog fight, which is where we are headed. Ominous sign today was the complete lack of applause from the Ultras at the end - first time I've seen that.

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thats a fair summary in my eyes Redraine, was a different team, different style after 30 mins or so, n the wasted balls from kenny kicking were unreal, that sort of thing aint rocket science.:rolleyes:

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give them both six games.from to day. if no inprovement give them the boots sick off poor games now. if not we will be second to bottom and sinking fast.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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I like Jamie Speare, but he is obviously doing detriment to Kenny's game.

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I am not too sure that rolling the ball to the full backs would do much good. The way they are playing they would loose posession or misplace a pass. I was not expecting us to win today,but would have liked a clean sheet. I hope we dont start conceeding lots of goals like last season.

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Rochdale were nothing special, but they beat us easily. The Rochdale team of last season would have absolutely hammered us. No complaints about the penalty. It was 100% correct.

I think everyone if giving their all, but it isn't good enough. I can't see much light at the end of the tunnel.

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As Cashy says, for the first thirty minutes they played some excellent football and they were definitely superior to Rochdale. Some of the passing was superb. However, the penalty, even though it was dubious, should not have put them off their style of play. If they had carried on, they would surely have overcome this setback. Instead, they slowly but surely slipped back to their old style of play, until by the end of the match, as Redraine says, it was back to booting it up the field in the hope that Mulley would get it...with the inevitable consequences.

This is what's so frustrating about Stanley at the moment. They are capable of playing well...but only for a portion of each game. Why can't they do it for longer?

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I listened to a radio interview with Coleman on the way to the game today on 3BR. He said "we can beat any team in the league". Is he having a laugh?
Nothing has changed over the last two years, the team still chase around like headless chickens with no real purpose in mind and are still devoid of attacking ideas.
I have seen more endeavour and ideas in school playgrounds,as far as football is concerned, than this team show at the moment.
Come on then Coleman prove to the fans that we really have the ability to beat the best teams in the league.

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I agree with you redraine,but beware the pro coleman brigade.every time i write a message about the team doing badly some of them go for the jugular.It seems you are not aloud to voice your concerns over team performances if you put any of the blame on coleman and bell.At the end of the day the management team must stand up and be counted.


ACCY TILL I DIE...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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CAREFUL GRIMPS OR YOU'LL BE NEXT IN THE FIRING LINE FROM THE PRO COLEMAN/BELL BRIGADE.


ACCY TILL I DIE.....:alright::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::ro lleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::ro lleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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:( Gutted... 5 defeats 2 wins and 1 draw in the league,what else can one say!!! oh John Miles great goal thought he had a very good game, and something else thats got me on one Att 2417 think we need someone who can count properly :rolleyes: :)

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mab..do you think there was more or less than the official figure?

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..and can someone tell me when your daylight saving ends????

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LOL bagpuss ain't alone in numbers gripe:D

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Last sunday in october usually its the 26th Oct this year:D

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Damm...We are now on it, so we're 12 hours ahead, makes a 3PM k/o 3 AM here...when yours ends,takes it to 4AM here which is a much better time for me to get up and follow Stanleys progress on matchday again...

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:) More Kiwi,Rochdale must have brought a 1000 plus i was in the main stand and it seemed to be fullish :)

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It was brimming full in away end - even some dale fans being escorted out of the cowshed 5-10 mins before FT:D

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Not quite gutted Mab, but most disappointed by the performances of our 'young' loanees. Terry Gornell and Jamie Clarke were well and truly in the pockets of the seasoned and experienced Rochdale defenders and I really can't see them providing the goals, or the crosses for the waiting head of Paul Mullin !.
I also felt some sympathy for Colin and Phil when the other defenders were persistently giving the ball away to the waiting Rochdale midfield and it kept coming back down the middle...thus the third goal seemed to be an obvious inevitability !.
I don't suppose that I was the only one to note the poor performance of the 'high-flying' Referee !...
His posing and constant stoppage of play did nothing for the game as a whole, and for at least two of his yellow cards, which he produced from his pocket like a budding
Tommy Cooper,begged for the player involved to be
'taken to one side' and warned!.
John Coleman will as he always promises 'take something from the game'...I hope that he can, and would console him with the fact that 'the Reds' have only dropped one place to seventeenth, that there is still time to achieve the balance and penetration in the team which I believe he and Jimmy Bell search for week in-week-out,
and assure him that the majority of our supporters are not suffering from the knee-jerkin' 'Sanction JC' complex noted elsewhere in this thread !.:cool:

'ON STANLEY!...ON !!!':alright:

Alfred.E. is no longer a fan of Gracie Fields and Cyril Smith !! :)

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:)Your right Gutted was the wrong word to use Yonmon may be slightly dissapointed would have been better,and there was some posatives to take away with us ,like john miles great goal pms great lob shot not long after,and your right prem ref's spoiled what in facked was a good game.as for the pen dont think a league 2 ref would have given it ,any way not to worry theres always next weeks game at Barnet to look forward to :)

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may be against popular opinion but agree with T.M. was a penalty to me, pity cos otherwise king did ok. was the kinda pen, ya see week in,week out, 50% are given 50% are not. cannot blame the ref fer giving it. though he was a clown wi some of the freekicks n bookings.

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Jamie Clarke isn't a right-sided midfielder. Not sure what he is, yet, apart from slow and too easy to hussle off the ball; he hasn't got any understanding with anyone else, and today he didn't win a tackle, or retain the ball when he was tackled; he fell over it a few times though .........

There were a few today who didn't have their best games - how many clearances went 20 yards, straight up the middle, and straight to one of their players? We must be the best team in the league - no, make that 'in the world' - at heading the ball to no-one, and to nowhere. You can't score without the ball; can we put the 'foot' back into 'football' and try keeping it on the deck for a while?

I absolutely agree that we started off well; cracking goal from Miles (who's a revelation this year, and as sharp as when he stuck two past us for Macc a couple of seasons back. That said, we did what we always do - went off the boil. I wouldn't even mind some Route One if it was Route One, but it isn't; we play 'belt the ball in the general direction of Paul Mullin knowing that sometimes he'll get his head on it, and he'll flick it on to ........ somewhere'. There's no purpose behind it, and we haven't got a plan B (except kicking it over Mullin's head to their central defenders (thought their 23 - McArdle - had a good game)

Man of the Match; John Mullin? Was he playing ..........? John Miles yes. John Mullin ? - oh please!

Ryan did OK when he came on; Griffiths wasn't on song, nor were most of the defence; but WHY, oh WHY, would nobody have a shot? We played patsy round their box - no-one took responsibility, no-one was prepared to have a dip. Apart from the goal, I counted two other shots, both at 4mph along the floor ...........

Can we please stop whacking it hopefully in Mullin's general direction and start playing it on the floor, using the wings, the channels, and the talents of the players we've got? Just now and again can somebody put his foot on the ball and look for the options? I realise we've no money, so we ain't gonna get Thierry Henry, but Gornell's OK (played better than Clarke), and - based on today - King, Miles and Ryan give us the nucleus of a creative team and usually the defence is more solid than today made us look.

Is a re-think of tactics out of the question?

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i honestly thought the tactics were fine fer the first 30 mins, its gettin em to continue fer the 90 thats the problem, beats the crap out of me why they can't.:confused:

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This Gornell fella..when did he get here and from where??? My Autzhiemers(jeezzz spell that if you can.I used to be able but I've forgotten:D), is kicking in and i think I missed an anouncement.:(

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On loan striker from Tranmere

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This is the nub of the problem. How many times have you seen us start brightly enough like we did yesterday and then, as Div3North said, go "off the boil"? It happens time after time, season after season. Sometimes we vary it and begin the game playing rubbish, only to start playing out of our skins in the final stretch when we're a couple of goals down and it's far too late. Coley said on Sky Sports News that we were as good as Rochdale and he's right, we are...sometimes. The problem for him and Jimmy is to somehow motivate the players to do what they're paid to do - play to their full ability from the starting to the final whistle.

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Ian Craney, Jonothan Smith, Steven Flitcroft... Nice to see them at the game

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Might've been handy if one or two of them had brought their boots :rolleyes:

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first game of the season for me but many problems still persist

Clearances - to nowhere mostly
Pass backs - straight to the keeper then usually out of play straight after. Has any keeper ever tried to hoof it up the field rather than row z ( or row F for us)?
Passing - some good pass and go when they remembered to go.
Mullin - I love Mully I really do, but we have to drop him now and then to give the opposition something different to think about. They now how we will play right from the off. If Mully is controlled, and he was yesterday, then very little happens for us.
Shooting - not enough of it - you have to enter the lottery to win it. Many games last season we didn't work the keeper at all - and that produces only 1 point at most.
Tactics - At 0-0 we are usually quite good on the ball, at 1-0 up we can look fantastic. But as soon as we concede we are incapable of changing our game - subs 2 and 3 with only moments left?

Plus points for me were

John Miles - a different player from the lazy sulker who we had last year. He chased and harried and showed some good touches. Cracking goal Milesy!
Griffiths - would become an important player for us if he was to stop longer than a month. As it stands though he will be gone before he has much chance to get to know the team. Very calm on the ball and willing to go round a player even though he seemed to lack pace. Probably not his best game yesterday but he showed promise.
Stewards - a couple of new faces for me yesterday but tried to meet and greet people at the Clayton End and tell people which entrance for cash and which for tickets. Most people already know of course but good effort anyway.

struggling for more to be honest


All in all I'm glad I wasn't a newcomer yesterday because there was nothing to inspire me to revisit. The atmosphere was flat and the game got worse (from our perspective)

as for the attendance - the away end holds 1400 when full to bursting. Although it was full it wasn't bursting so probably 1200. The main stand holds 900 when full, it wasn't full - there was probably around 750 in at tops. That leaves 500 for the Clayton End and cowshed and that is probably about right. The Clayton End can feel full if you are near the middle but there huge gaps if you move 20 foot either side. The Clayton End has been empty since the roof went up!!!! Take down the roof!!!!

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It looked damn full at the away end to me :eek:

please dont take the roof off - tho nice days it should be retractable lol!!

Well the cowshed presence by us 2 didnt work either:(

Thing is it all boils down to the performance on the pitch at the end of the day, do well increase your gate, as plenty of glory seekers in need of new glory & thats where the extra fanbase will come from :D

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... and therein lies the problem for Stanley. In the Unibond prem days (1st time around) we had good gates for the league. When we got relegated we lost a few - then bounced straight back up (gaining a few new fans along the way) then we had two years of mediocrity which lost us more fans than we gained the follwing year when we won the league. Again in the Conference, we spent two years being mostly crap, mid table which didn't get us anywhere. Then one good year and up we go to be followed by two years of crap (quickly becoming a third) This is by no means a fault of anybody that we have won the leagues we have but the people of Accrington have not had chance to get used to a winning team.
As soon as we get a decent side we win th eleague and move upwards to spend another two years losing.

Its not been anything along the likes of Morecambe spending 10 years being 'good' in the Conference which allowed them build everything including the fanbase.

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Not neccessarily on about winning titles just winning home matches, really giving a good home support something decent to watch for their coffers, we have blown many a good gate because the performances were terrible.

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Taken from rochdale forum[QUOTE] Generally fairly good entertainment, their goal was the best i've seen this season, Sammy looked like someone had nailed his feet to the floor. I thought we were going to get mullered at that point, thank god they didn't take all their chances. Once we equalised we were the better side although they could have still scored more. Once we got to grips with that it was over for them. Gary Jones had a rare poor game in the middle, can't fault his workrate but his touch left him for the most part. Will Buckley is getting better and better, he was man of the match for me. Good to see Daggers making some good runs but just needs to get his confidence back and he'll be scoring like he used to. Anyway off to celebrate now. Up the Dale!!!Report: Accrington 1 Dale 3

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CLICK ON THE LINK Report: Accrington 1 Dale 3

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Rochdale were very fortunate to have been awarded that penalty. It was a definite foul, but having seen the video it looks like it was a free kick. The tackle is outside the box. Download the highlights that Redash provided and pause on 7 seconds. There's no point to it obviously. This is what a Stanley fan is reduced to while living in Aberdeen. :D

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twas in the box shaker,just but thats all it needs. i saw it, also yonmon said it showed it on sky n was defo.

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Sorry, but the actual initial point of contact by King's left leg really does appear to be just outside the box, although the player's "fall" took him into the box and King's body was mainly inside the box. Just as my mate and I thought at the time but agreed we would have to wait for the vid. The linesman should have flagged for a foul, not a penalty.

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:) Totaley agree point of contact was out side the box :mad: Did anyone see if PM's lob shot had crossed the line or not as reported in the telegraph and on the rochdale site????

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ok no problem, as fer PMs over the line or not, no idea was on claytonend, penalty or not question is,why did they resort to just hoofing the ball upfield after the equaliser?:confused: stanley were the better side by far in the first half.IMHO. thats not about talent, or how good a player is, its about Mindset. pure n simple.:confused:

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100% behind the boss!!!!!!

will turn it around we always will!!!!

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:confused: Did we miss something ????

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was thinking that meself mab.:confused:

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Main stand holds 1200 Macca thats why they only need 800 more covered seats to conform to F.A. rules.
A long standing Accy fan Said to me. Who ever counted the gate I would'nt like him to measure my room for carpets. Enough said

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thier has been a long standing debate into the gates and that it looks miles more than what they announce bt if you remember, one of the club officals coming on here to say that you could go and have a look at how the gates or counted and that all the gates are connected to a clicker in the box! so i think that what was annouce was right at the weekend thier looked more people on becuase it is wide and open stand am sure a club offical will be on here again soon if it all continues

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We don't have to comply to ANY FA rules to play in the FOOTBALL LEAGUE!!

We have to comply with their (Football Leagure rules) and have a safety certificate as issues by the relevant issuing body; in our case Lancashire County Council.

I also heard somebody on Radio Lancs last night moaning about the FA and fixtures, because Burnley had 3 home games on the bounce. The FA only organise the FA Cup!!, the Football league do their fixtures!!

We need 2000 seats in place by the 1st of May 2009.

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:confused: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm saturdays Gate 2414 plus players that arn't playing and explayers and youth teamplayers and match day sponsers plus any other guest of the club on match days :)

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and the birds and worms and flys and any other creatures on match day :)

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Paul Mullin is reported in the L.E.Telegraph as saying - " We have been getting the ball down more, lately, which we've been encouraged to do".
Fair enough, but it only ever seems to happen in the early stages. As soon as the chips are down we revert to the easy option of clearing from defence by banging the ball skywards. They obviously need much more "encouraging"!

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:egged: think its more a confidence thing Redraine, but its what they sure need to be doing.;)

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Yeah - I think they need brainwashing or hypnosis.:D

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What a shame, another Derby match gate to look forward to, ha ha ha.

Now you can post MCR.......

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Woooo