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If he wasn't injured, why oh why was Jimmy Ryan substituted? At that point in the match Stanley were dominating the midfield and Bradford looked a beaten side, their supporters silent and starting to drift away. Stanley were playing some of the best football since........the night we beat City 3-0 at their place. Jimmy was having a stormer, with biting tackles, controlled possession and having several cracks at goal, and helping to pin Bradford deep in their own half. After that all our momentum was lost and their sub, Conlon, started to create havoc with our back line. What a downer.
Another thing - when will the Ultras learn never, ever again to sing their "You might as well go home" song, which always comes back to haunt them? :o

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Your spot on Redraine.Don't think he was injured we were coasting it and i think coley must have thought game won brining Procy on.Don't think any of us even Coley exspected what happened next,great game though :)

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To say it was a disapointment would be an understatement, cav. was at fault for two goals,the substitution was unfortunate,it was embarrasing to have to leave the ground and face the Bradford fans.I have not been so gutted since Arsenal beat Liverpool at Anfield in 89 to win the league

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Cav won't be to blame next week, as he'll be suspended I believe.

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From a rope hopefully. The lad's a liability.

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Rubbish.

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Have to say i agree with ya with the majority of that, tho in ultras defense [hope i havent give willie miller a heart failure lol] they did keep the noisy upbeat in the terraces which i think the players responded to, well till the 80th min when all went tits up!

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edited because I changed my mind and reported the post instead of replying.

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The Coley mantra of 'score goals and you won't get beat' is found wanting. We did score goals, two very good goals and ended up getting beat.Where to now? And the once mighty Cav has become so complacent lately, playing poorly judged backpasses and committing needless fouls just outside the box, like he did today. I felt sorry for Ryan , who should have been MOM and left the field with Accy winning but ended up on the losing side. He must be gutted............ like the rest of us

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Another Coley mantra is "We can't keep a lead for toffee", and he certainly made it a self-fulfilling prophesy today.:(

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He is. I'm glad you agree.

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Spot on redraine,i truthfully thought we were on the way to a cracking win,and then coleman takes off ryan who uptill then had been playing bloody well as had the rest of the lads.why break up a winning side,we had city by the balls so to speak and should have won comfortably,as it happens the substitution cost us the match.defensive blunders for their goals aside coleman made a stupid decision to bring on proctor,if he hadn't tinkered and left the side intact we would have beaten a very poor city side.so coleman must share some of the blame as the saying goe's the games not won till the fat lady sings.as for me i'm gutted for the rest of the team who must be really gutted.

ACCY TILL I DIE.
(MANY MORE GAMES LIKE THIS AND IT MIGHT BE QUICKER THAN I THINK LOL)

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"..............Fat Lady Sinks". The term originated in pool
halls during the depression years. The black ball
was known as "the fat lady" (because the No. 8 on it looked like two fat
ladies) and the original saying was that the game "ain't over till the fat
lady sinks". Over time, the "sinks" eventually became "sings"."

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Today I was bloody disgusted, first time I've ever come close to walking out of a game early - and I stood in the pouring rain as we lost to telford 5-1. Coleman clueless substitutions - first time I've ever said this but for him to be that bloody incompetitant we'd be better off with no manager than with him.

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listened to Colemans interview on Radio Lancs. He blamed everone from the Ref to the Players, no blame attached to him or his nonsensical substitution. He is completely and utterly tactically niave. He explained that it is his birthday tommorrow and he would have to cancel his celebrations. He should now give us a birthday present and resign, We are going nowhere, or is there a hidden agenda i.e. Has he got the Conference in his sight? Every time Coleman is interviewed it's the same old retoric spewed out, it's always someone else to blame, any other Club would have parted company with him 18 months ago. Is there something we are not aware of?

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i still cant believe that last ten mins .just pathetic especially after we was having such a great game

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I heard a whisper that Colmans contract is up at the end of this season.
How do we know that Ryan wasn't injured??

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Ryan looked ok when he was taken off. I can only think that Coleman thought the game was won and wanted to give Procter some game time after his long lay off but it backfired on him in a big way.

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I thought he worked without a contract ?

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I've had a few hours to think about it and i'm really niffed off, we played some good football and should have won the game easy but why oh why take jimmy ryan off??? Until we get rid of the dead wood such as williams, Cavanagh, procter we'll always be like this. Would a new manager make a difference? I'm don't know but something needs to change or there will be less then 1000 on the next game. Will you be going? We got 25 down for morecambe away before the match. i wonder if they still all want to go now :(

PS John Miles......well done lad, you're like a new signing, another mistake john made getting rid of you last season????

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i think nothing was wrong with Jimmy, i think John was just trying to give Andy a run out but you can't afford to carry players against good teams and we got slapped for it, again another punishment for playing "the favourites" :mad:

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sorry can't be arsed, think what ya want

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Yes Willie, but how many times have we conceded goals from Cav giving away free kicks in dangerous areas. I've supported Coley through thick and thin, but after today's match, and the inexplicable substitution,two words keep going through my head "Brian" and "Little"

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is that the same Brian and Little who managed to get big budget Wrexham relegated only 7 years after being touted as the next England manager?

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They were virtually down when he went there Macca. I reckon he's still a damned good manager - ask the Darlington fans!

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I know how you feel, I didn't go home from todays game thinking it was Colemans fault or Proctors fault, still gutted so I won't make any stupid comments.:(
Well done Ultras after the flat day v Rochdale you where back on form for 80 mins at least.:)

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You're probably right, Baggie. I just feel so gutted, especially after a totally miserable drive home across the Pennines, but I suppose, come tomorrow, I'll be 100% behind Coley and Jimmy again.

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Well tell us what you think??? the truth hurts???? we have players who aren't good enough simple as. it's no good playing the same guys who took us from unibond, if they were any good they would have been snapped up back then.

Don't get me wrong we played very good today against a good team but to lose after being 2 nil up just shows our team isn't good enough end of.

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Wow!!! What a revelation! I hadn't realised that. :rolleyes:

So what's your answer?? Can you add 2000 fans on the gate? Can you invest some money in the club to allow the purchase of new, better players?

It is what it is.

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Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit:confused:
Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up.:rolleyes: Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

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I'm not saying i know or have the answers, all i'm doing is saying where the possible problems are, if i had the answers i'd be chairman :D

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Good post and i agree but really 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and lose the game at home! surely someone has to take the blame?

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With Bradford 2-0 down and 10 minutes to play, they had to go for it. They had nothing to lose. I think even the league's best defences would have had many problems contending with Thorne (the league's top goalscorer) Boulding and Conlon. And let's face it, we can't afford to have the best defenders in the league. If you want someone to blame, blame Stuart McCall for throwing everything at us in those last 10 minutes.

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spot on, i think ryan will turn out to big one of the best players this season! he put in a great effort today, and also getting on the score sheet, great goal. he did take some bashing with tackles but he never stopped working always going back and putting tackles in, the whloe squad played well today. cant imagine how the squad feel, specially kenny he was hardly tested all game. griffiths had a great game today, if he was ever made available i would like him to sign. i thought he was going to take griffiths off becuase it looked like he had an injury as he were streching his leg in last 10mins! i think its wrong to blame the players/management! massive improvement from rochdale. alot of positives can be taken from this game! keep the faith

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When Conlon came on we were 2-0 up. The threat was three attackers against two defenders i.e Murdoch & Edwards who had both had a good game. We had the capability to hold and play the ball on the floor (J Mullin & Miles had shown during the game that they can play on the deck). Paul Mullin should have been sent to mark Conlon in defence (remember we're 2-0 up, we don't need to score again we just need to stop them scoring and there's only 10 mins to go) When we win the ball instead of lumping it forward we just need to give it to the ball players and encourage them to keep it as long as they can , wind the clock down , frustrate 'em. Good in retrospect, eh? It's nothing to do with Proctor. We left ourselves open. As someone has said they threw everything at us and we didn't have an answer.

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You asked someone to explain so I will.


Firstly, you asked why everyone is blaming Proccy for the loss - the simple fact is that we are not, it was Coleman who chose to put him there and in place of Ryan. Proccy can do a job for stanley and that is to play in a defensive midfield role and work bloody hard from the start to the end of a game. He is not an impact player who will make a positive difference as a sub nor a calm head to help slow down the pace of a panicked team.

Secondly there is the old saying don't fix what ain't broke - we were playing well, there was no reason to change, so why change ?

Thirdly, you yourself pointed out Proccy is a more defensive player - are the problems with putting a defensive midfielder on the right wing not obvious?

Finally and I believe most importantly, Ryan wasn't showing any signs of slowing down and when you are up 2-0 against a promotion contender with 10 minutes to go what you need to do is get your wingers down at their corner flags and keeping hold of the ball for as long as possible. Jimmy Ryan could and would have done that, he has the skill on the ball required to do so.

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But he was not playing long enough for that to make an inpact, if he was playing from the start on the wing than yeh it would be a problem, but 10mins come on, should of just got the ball and run with it or just passed it to anyone in red, easy to do for 10mins aint it. am not blameing proccy as i agree he should of not come on, but if you dont make mistakes how do you learn?

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This just proves that 90% of the comments on this thread are total rubbish based on emotions not fact.

regarding john miles, he is a player who needs motivation - if you speak to any macclesfield fan, you will find he only started trying when his contract was coming to an end.
Stanley is his last chance as nobody else wants him - I would say that is a good reason why we are seeing him show his true ability through more dedicated application.

I cant be bothered responding to anyone else. I was proud of the whole club after yesterday, the whole club apart from the moaners on here who constantly forget the foundations we are fighting on compared to our rivals.

Well done lads, had a fantastic 80mins.

JC = football genius.

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Just watch the next installment of 'Exactly' and the samaritans hotline will be in meltdown :D
Atleast you didn't get mashed 5-0, chin up fellas!

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Well said - I was impressed with Accy Stanley today and agreed with Staurt McCalls after match comments where he felt for Accy and agreed City were fortunate to say the least.

What surprises me, reading this forum, is the focus being put on the substitution as the area of blame. Firstly Andy Procter - I thought he was your best player by some way when you beat us at Valley Parade last year and had heard there were other clubs quite interested in him ? If the lads coming back from injury it seems a pretty sensible substitution at 2-0 up with 10 minutes to go to get him back on the park. There weren't howls of derision at the time and infact i recall pretty rapturous applause. Easy to be the 9 o'clock jury. So I'm not convinced that slating Procter and/or the Manager is justified. If we played 100 10 minute games against you giving you a 2 goal start chances are that was the one in a hundred where that would happen.

Good luck rest of the season.

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I was proud of the whole club after yesterday, the whole club apart from the moaners on here who constantly forget the foundations we are fighting on compared to our rivals.

Well done lads, had a fantastic 80mins.

JC = football genius.[/quote]


& from MCR A.... i think its wrong to blame the players/management! massive improvement from rochdale. alot of positives can be taken from this game! keep the faith

This is what we should be saying lads!...having taken the point that for ten minutes 'The Reds' apparently assumed that they were a better team than Bradford City, and tried to impress that fact upon everyone in the FES....and FAILED !.
All this is now water under the Bridge...We can't afford any better players...Who else is there to Manage the Club any better under the present circumstances ?....and who else to lift the Team to even better efforts than their Fans?..
As MCR says...KEEP THE FAITH !!!..

'ON STANLEY !...ON !!!!'

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Thats what being a football supporter is based on, emotion and passion. Even the most moaniest supporter does it because he/she wants his/her club to do well.:)

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McCall changed the game because his Plan A never worked however his plan B did!!!. Accy lost cause people never did their job properly........

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We must be learning like a mothabitch.

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The grumbles over the substitution are because of who was taken off rather than who was brought on.

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your quote,if you don,t make mistakes ,how do you learn.how many do you want before we fall back into non league ?

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I cannot believe how many have said we played well for 80 minutes and lost it in the last 10!! The game of football is played over 90 minutes and if we cannot do that then we have no chance of staying in the league. Yes we murdered Bradford yesterday and I must say that is the best football I have seen at the FES in a long time, but it is no good blaming the manager or the substitute for the loss. Even after Proccy came on we looked like we could score again and I said to a mate at 2-0 I think we need another to kill the game and put it to bed. It was not to be and believe me I hate it. If we can play like we did today against Bradford for the full 90 minutes plus any added on time, we should do OK against Luton next week. As for the Morecambe game, we will pick it up as we always do against them, local rivalry and all that. I think it is time for the likes of Captain Cav and Rocky to say goodbye to the club, and I agree with others that Griffiths would be a useful acquisition, but he needs to show more team fight i.e. pass to other attackers not try to take on 3 or 4 defenders at a time. He is young and will learn though. Cav and Rocky have given the club sterling service over the years but in both cases, they have come back from injury and they are not the players they used to be, unfortunate I know, but that's how it is. Nice to see a decent crowd and no, Bradford did not outnumber us - figures are 1505 for Bradford and 1507 for Stanley. Lets keep the faith with the management unless someone else is available who could do the job with little or no money. If we are to change the management, it would have to be with someone who knows the loan market inside out, because unless a sugar daddy comes and takes over from Eric and bankrolls the club, it aint going to happen.

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I was at the game and can't believe we lost it. I thought we were playing great until Ryan went off. I thought Cav was at fault once again. He is getting booked too many times and giving away pointless free kicks and one that cost us on Saturday.

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I totally am amazed at the Coleman substitution....the maxim is if it don't need fixing.....etc...Ryan was playing exceptionally well and causing a lot of problems for their defence....Proctor came on ..not up to speed got caught in possession near their corner flag...ball went down the other end Boulding scores and ALL that HARD WORK the team had put in evaporated....Someone said to me that the mini training session at half time was stupid..Coleman said it was to keep them focused ...well...THAT mini 10 minute session could have caused the LACK of focus for the last 10 mins....same person also wondered whether another bet had been placed...What odds that.....such a good game was thrown away..
Bradford fans all went home laughing all the way to the Bradford and Bingley bank:-)
Whilst I went home gutted and devastated..............

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FFS now this is getting totally stupid, I'm not a massive Coleman fan but this post is beyond me. The half time kickabout maybe did work because we scored a 2nd goal while Bradford looked still cold and as for the betting comment have some neg karma you idiot.:mad:

Then again you might be a troll !!!

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LISTEN!

I WAS AT THE GAME YESTERDAY AND COULD NOT MYSELF BELIEVE WHAT HAPPEND, BUT IT DID.AS I WALKED OUT OF THE GROUND AND UP LIVVY ROAD TWO BRADFORD FANS CAME UP TO ME AND APLOGISED FOR THE RESULT SAYING AND I QUOTE " I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO GUTTED FOR AWAY FANS AS I HAVE TODAY!" "WE WERE PLAYED OFF THE PARK AND CANNOT BELIEVE WE CAME AWAY WITH THE POINTS" I SMILED BECAUSE I DID NO WHAT ELSE TO DO, WE HAD PLAYED THEM OFF THE PARK AND LOST! HOW??? I CARRIED ON UP LIVVY ROAD LISTENING TO ANOTHER BRADFORD FAN ON HIS MOBILE TO HIS DAD EXPLAINING JUST HOW BY PLAYING POORLY AND BEING OUT PLAYED TOTALLY THEY HAD SOMEHOW COME AWAY WITH THE POINTS. ALL THE WAY UP LIVVY ROAD AND ALONG WHALLEY ROAD UNTIL I MET MY LIFT ALL I COULD HERE WAS BRADFORD FANS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY HAD BEEN TOTALLY OUT PLAYED AND OUT FOOTBALLED YET STILL COME AWAY WITH ALL THE POINTS!

IT HAS HAPPEND I MYSELF DO NOT KNOW HOW BUT IT HAS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANDY PROCTOR AND JIMMY RYAN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JOHN COLEMAN! IF AC CAN LOOSE A THREE GOAL LEAD THEN ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AS ONE CHAP SAID THAT IS FOOTBALL.

FOR THE FIRST 10/20 MINS THE GAME WAS NOTHING SPECIAL THEN WE SCORED AND PLAYED SOME GOOD CONTROLLED FOOTBALL, EVEN KEEPING OUT THOSE 45th MIN GOALS FROM FREEKICKS! AND WHEN WE WENT 2 NIL UP I MUST ADMIT THAT ALONG WITH MOST OF THE CLAYTON ENDERS I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE PICKING UP A LONG AWAITED 3 POINTS.AND WHEN PROCCY WAS WARMING UP FROM THE HOUR MARK WE ALL THOUGHT 'GET HIM SOME MATCH TIME' BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF OUR BETTER PLAYERS AND WHEN HE CAME ON WITH 10 MINS TO GO I DID NOT HEAR MANY COMPLAINING - MORE OF GOOD SUBSITUTION GET HIM SOME MATCH FITNESS. THE ONLY THING AS A TEAM THE WERE GUILTY OF WAS NOT HAVING THE ABILITY OF CLOSING OUT A GAME AS ONE THREAD SAID EARLIER.

IT HAS HAPPEND AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE (ACCY/BRADFORD) DO NOT KNOW HOW! WE HAVE TO MOVE ON AND WHILST THE PROSPECT OF WYCOMBE/SHREWS AT HOME AFTER -18 LUTON AWAY DO NOT FILL ME WITH CONFIDENCE LETS DO TO THEM WHAT THE WEST YORKSHIRE LOT DID TO US.

KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP BELIEVING. WE HAS NO FANS,NO INCOME,NO MONEY BUT WE ARE STILL IN LEAGUE TWO!! LETS DO OUR BEST TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE WHO GOT US THERE AND THUS FAR KEPT US THERE!!

JOHHNY COLEMANS RED AND WHITE ARMY!!

P.S.

A MASSIVE WELL DONE TO THE ULTRAS, NEVER HEARD OWT LIKE IT IT WAS CRACK ON, WELL DONE LADS I KNOW WE CAN ALWAYS RELY ON YOU!!!!!!!!!



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I'd say Clayton End mate, not just Ultras, anyone who joined in were immense too

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My Apologies Willie You Are Quite Correct Almost All Of The Clayton End Were To Be Proud Of As Were The Stanley!

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Does anyone have a spare caps lock key that isn't sticking ? :D

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Quite right...proud to be a Clayton Ender yesterday! :cool:

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10 mins to go, 2-0 up and coasting. Why change it. Why take off Jimy Ryan and bring on Procky and put him on the right wing. Any sensible manager would either have left it as it was or if determined to make a substitution, take off a striker and bring on a defender, or even bring on a midfielder (Procky) and play five across the middle. I cannot understand bringing on Procky and playing him on the wing. As for Cav, he was posted missing from his full back spot for most of the game (as usual). Bradford attacked us down their left with ease, this was made easier by taking off Ryan and bringing on Procky. Last week at Barnet, Coley takes off Murdock and brings on Rocky, about ten minutes later Rocky had conceded a penalty and been sent off (another brilliant substitution by the football genius). I blame Coley for the defeat by Bradford and if we are relegated by three points I will blame him for Stanley losing their Football League status. Jobs for the boys- Rocky, Procky and Cav. Procky probably got his appearance bonus for coming on for the last ten minutes. Rocky probably got his appearance bonus at Barnet for giving away a penalty and getting sent off. Why change the team just for the sake of it. Come on Coley admit it YOU MADE A MISTAKE, don't blame the ref, don't blame the players - IT WAS YOUR FAULT. Oh by the way, I hope you enjoyed your birthday after you spoiled my week-end.

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one substitution changed the game and that was theirs, they chucked barry conlon on and that changed the balance of the game, they threw everything at us and our defence switched off for 10 minutes...and for anyone who thinks that coleman does not care for this club....KIP_2795.jpg :: Accy v Bradford City

Play like that every week and we would win more games than we will lose

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Conlon came on after 60 minutes. How did that change the game, please explain. The game changed with ten minutes to go. Stanley made their substitution with ten minutes to go, what a coincidence. What I am saying is why make a substitution when everything is going right. If Coley was determined to make a substitution why not take off a striker and bring on a defender. You say you noticed that Conlon changed the game, if so, why did Coley not bring on a defender to stop the game changing or did he not notice that the game had changed since Conlon came on, if he didn't then according to you he wasn't doing his job right. Nobody says that Coley does not care for the club, but caring for a club and managing a club are two different things. All the Stanley fans care for the club but they would not make good managers. Two games in succession Coley has made substitutions that have cost us the game and anybody who says different isn't watching the same games as I am. Three times last season we lost games after leading 2-0, any other team would have put up the defence and held on to their lead, but not Coley, he wants to score three or four, we need a change of tactics to hold on to a lead. Four times this season we have scored first and finished up losing, it can't continue. I will say it again there is only one person responsible COLEY, his team, his tactics, his substitutions, his football genius. I clicked on your link to the picture of Coley, can you not read his lips? I am sure he is saying "Why did I make that substitution"

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Anyway, lets put this to bed and move on. At the end of the season some will be able to say , " I told you so".
I hope we can stay up, but starting to have my doubts. Stanleys supporters were great on Saturday, Well done to everyone.

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Well said Jeff, It would seem that quite a lot of supporters do not watch the games as you and I.

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Tommy, not only do I not watch the same game as you, I don't reckon I even support the same club as you. Because the club I support has by far the smallest gates in the football league and, as the chairman, quite rightly, doesn't spend what he hasn't got, therefore has the smallest budget in the football league. To take such a club into the conference from the unibond and keep them there would be quite a feat in itself, but to take such a club into the promised land of the football league would be nothing short of a miracle. Coley gave us that miracle and whatever individual mistakes he makes in tactics and substitutions (and what manager doesn't?) the fact that he has kept us there for two-and-a-quarter seasons so far proves the worth of the man.

Supposing we took the advice of many on here and replaced him with a new manager? He'd still have the same old problems to contend with - trying to buy league standard players on a non-league budget, offering players £500 a week while other clubs are offering £1000+, attempting to pick up loan signings wherever he can. And would he have the same passion for the club that Coley has?...a passion that came through all too clearly in part two of the TV series. Would he cancel his birthday dinner with the missus, because the team lost a match in the last few minutes?

Just for a little while on Saturday, I had a glimpse of what Stanley could be like. The team playing with skill and flair, the Clayton End buzzing with excitement and the Ultras (and everyone else!) outsinging a "big club's" fans. I want more of that and, despite the outcome of the match, I still think Coley can achieve it for us.

And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too! :cool:

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Well said Steve, some supporters obviously do not watch the same game as you & I .....:rolleyes:

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I could not agree anymore with #63 an excellent post!

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:)For anyone who doesn't get the Telegraph :)
Bradford defeat was all-time low, says Accrington Stanley boss

1:20pm Monday 13th October 2008


ACCRINGTON Stanley boss John Coleman declared Saturday’s incredible 3-2 home defeat to Bradford as his worst moment in football.
Coleman’s Stanley side looked on course for a deserved 2-0 win against former Premier League opposition at the Fraser Eagle Stadium but capitulated disastrously as they conceded three goals in the last 10 minutes.
It was a result that saw Stanley, who have taken just one point from their last seven league games, slip another place to 19th in League Two - they would be third from bottom without the points deductions handed out to Rotherham, Bournemouth and Luton.
Coleman last week described Stanley’s 3-0 triumph at Bradford in 2007 as the highlight of his managerial career but Saturday’s result was at the opposite end of the spectrum.
“It’s probably the worst I’ve ever felt in football,” said the long-serving Stanley chief.
“I’m totally and utterly gutted. I’ve never felt this low in my life.
“We’ve lost the ability to win and it’s incredibly frustrating.
“You can point to the fact we were unlucky - and we were amazingly unlucky - but we still should have managed to close out the 2-0 lead with 10 minutes to go.
“We played ever so well and I feel for the players.
“I can’t put my finger on it but you can’t play that well for 80 minutes and then capitulate like we did.
“The best team lost. If anyone says different they’re lying.”
Lifting his devastated players could be a challenge after such a dramatic defeat but Coleman says first he must lift himself.
The boss had been all set to celebrate his 46th birthday yesterday but was quickly on the phone to his wife after the match to cancel his plans.
Speaking after Saturday’s match, he said: “The first person I’ve got to pick up is myself because I’m absolutely deflated.
“It’s my birthday tomorrow and my wife’s booked a table for the night. I’ll have to cancel that, I can’t go out, I can’t face that.
“I’ll go straight to bed and get myself up tomorrow and put a positive spin on it.
“But at this moment in time there are no positives.”
Coleman, who a week earlier had expressed his frustration that an inexperienced referee had sent off Robbie Williams for a professional foul at Barnet, was this time annoyed that official Michael Jones failed to show a red card to Bradford defender Graeme Lee when he brought down Rostyn Griffiths.
Griffiths had looked to be surging clear with Stanley leading 2-0 and the verdict of the Chester referee, who took charge of a Premier League game in August, could have been looked upon as a turning point.
Coleman lamented: “Last week we get a man sent off for that. This we they don’t get a man sent off for that.
“Without a doubt that was a turning point. The lad’s going through on goal, so give him a chance to score or send the lad off.
“They will argue that there might have been a covering man back but I think Rostyn’s momentum has taken him clean through on goal no matter what.
“But at the end of the day we shouldn’t need a refereeing decision to help us win a game.
“There were a couple of strange ones - handball leading to the first goal, offside for the third goal and bad defending for the second goal.
“But I certainly won’t be using that as an excuse. We have to defend better than that.
“For 80 minutes we defended magnificently, then for 10 minutes were like Sunday League rank amateur players and we’ve been punished for it.”
Coleman was pleased that a training ground routine worked when Jimmy Ryan opened the scoring from a corner pulled back to the edge of the area.
Ryan was substituted with the scoreline still at 2-0 and was shocked by events after his withdrawal.
He said: “I can’t believe it. It hasn’t really sunk in yet.
“When I came off I thought the game was won. We defended well, so I thought it was a great win.
“Everyone is gutted and down, but there wasn’t much shouting in the dressing room because the lads have done well and worked hard. The gaffer said that.
“For 82 minutes they haven’t troubled us one bit apart from when they hit the crossbar.
"Apart from that we were comfortable and had better chances than them.
"It was just one of those days again.” :) think it says it all really, up the stanley :)

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Coley, you prat.

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good post WH!

most of the moaners are newcomers

us old skool are reasonably happy with our lot in life as a Stanley fan.



although Coley could do with a refresher course on the old tactics thingy!

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WH said

'And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!'

I think we're all football romantics, Wyn. You have to be to support Accrington Stanley. If that was all that was needed to keep us winning and in the league we'd all be happy. Unfortunately its not

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coley as been very good the red. im myself see stanley sad day at crap places. north west counties games( if for you on here non league football ) it as been good going up the league but we will go down this year if we play rubbish like last 4 games but jc will be here. untill we get a dubi buyer.

places we will be going to if jc can pull off one more year hereford notts co.
if not afc wimbledon barrow so let get on a play and get on with being stanley fan not borring fan. (sorry for the spelling cant spell well)

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Grimps !!.....All those true....and as Reamer describes us 'Old-fashioned' Stanley Fans will join me in saying....
It's not how you spell it.....It's what you're saying that counts, and who can resist the 'call to arms' in your posting !

Alfred.E. says 'Keep 'em coming !'

and 'ON STANLEY !.....ON !!'


Edit!.....Sorry Macca !....This lapse only goes to prove that I really am an'old-timer!!'

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Yonmon, I would never call you 'old fashioned' (a term with such derogatory connotations).....................'old bard' maybe....

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Me. Though I may be a 'new-comer' to you vets of the pre-62' era, I have seen my fair share of non-league, non-successful football.
Though I don't agree that Coley should be sacked, I do think he needs to seriously grow up and accept when he is wrong. His actions and words after the game were more reminiscent of a tired, petulant toddler than a passionate and loyal football genius.
Furthermore has anyone read the article that mab posted from the LET? It's embarrassing. “The first person I’ve got to pick up is myself because I’m absolutely deflated. “It’s my birthday tomorrow and my wife’s booked a table for the night. I’ll have to cancel that, I can’t go out, I can’t face that."
Passion? That's just being a plank.

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Quite right, Reamer...what is also needed is the ability to juggle a pitifully inadequate budget in a way that keeps us in the league. Coley does this admirably. And, as I'm always saying, if Coley is as mediocre a manager as many of his detractors make out, then how come there aren't many more managers doing what he does? How come the managers of the dozens of non-league clubs with 500-1000 gates floating around the Blue Square National and North/South can't do it? How come the managers of Oxford, Cambridge, Kidderminster, York and many other clubs with better support than us can't do it? Because, whatever mistakes he makes, Coley's a real gem of a manager...that's why! :)

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Don't agree, Shakey. I think it shows just how passionate he is about the club. In fact, I can totally empathise with him - I had to take Mrs H out in Manchester for a birthday meal on Saturday night and it was a real effort to keep a smile on my face and a cheery line of chat issuing forth, as I was hurting like hell inside...still, maybe, I, too, am made of wood! :D

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there may be a moral there wyn? you picked yerself up, pasted a smile on yer kisser n got on with things, therein i think is the difference.;)

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Wyn, I agree with much of what you say. We know the problems the club has with finances, attendacies and facilities etc. These facts have been well documented on this forum and elswhere. We'll struggle to move on whilst we're always trying keep our head above water. Hey, its taken 40+ years to get back in the league. In the mean time I'm a football supporter and football supporters don't just stand there with buttoned lips. When they see their team losing they tend to shout and holler. If they think the manager's got it wrong, they'll shout and holler at him too. When we lost against
Bradford with 10mins to go, I didn't go home thinking 'well we've got no money or a decent ground and facilities'.....no, I'm thinking '---- we've lost a game we could and should have won'
I've never said that Coley should be replaced, in fact, right now that would probably open another can of worms, but nobody is right all the time, football genius or not. He's done some great things for the club but nobody is that infallible. (If you were to ask him, he's probably embarrassed by the 'football genius' thing anyway)
Macca of the 'old skool' talks of moaners and newcomers. All sounds a bit elitist to me but if moaning is having independant thoughts and expressing them, then I'm a moaner. This is a forum, after all. As for newcomers, I was around in '62, does that absolve me?

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Now 'e is an old bard, but to get back to the thread, can 'e play right wing ?

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Yep, Yonmon, you could definitely call me an artist (although, Cashy, sadly, is an ex-artist these days)...come to think of it, back in the day, Reamer used to be something of an artist himself! ;) :D

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That's it exactly Cashman - Coleman's first priority on Saturday should have been to try & pick the lads spirits up not wallow in his own self pity, I'd have a lot more respect for him if he could admit when he's made a mistake instead of blaming everyone & anyone else - but I don't reckon that will happen anytime soon so I won't hold me breath :rolleyes:

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the 'moaners' I particularly refer to are the non-stop numpties who have given this board a bad name in the previous few months.

I have no problem whatsoever with people expressing their views, be them good or bad, but there are a few who constantly bring up the same tired view with the same tired arguments. They might be valid but its old ground - so day after day is moaning for moanings sake!

.... and by old skool I was referring only to those of us who can remember losing every week as an annual ritual! I don't remember the seventies and early eighties when we barely lost a game. But I was brought up on a diet of Stanley finishing mid-table mediocrity at best for 15 years. I'm still here and if I have to watch another 15 years of mid-table mediocrity at best then I will do so happily :)

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Touche........err yes...that would be my abstract period

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At the moment, Macca, mid table mediocrity in league two would suit me fine